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| A couple of folks posted awhile back about a bait that you
can put out (either liquid or powder, don't remember), and
the termites will take it back to their nest. Anyone know
what they might be?
I don't need instant extermination - can live with a few
weeks for them to disappear. First choice would be
something a consumer can buy.
Thanks!
Fred
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| In article <j6c9e.17581$jd6.200@trnddc07>, testing@testing1212mouse.com
says...
 A couple of folks posted awhile back about a bait that you
can put out (either liquid or powder, don't remember), and
the termites will take it back to their nest. Anyone know
what they might be?
I don't need instant extermination - can live with a few
weeks for them to disappear. First choice would be
something a consumer can buy.
The baits that the consumers can buy will be limited in their success.
They will kill a number of termites that feeds on the bait and in turn a
number of termites that they feed, but it would not be a way to protect
the home from attacks. The most effective product out there, Termidor,
is sometimes referred as a "Liquid bait" but it isn't a true bait, but
it does stop the termite colony from attacking the home, but it would
have to be applied by a professional. There are also a number of baits
that would be applied by the pros, but they too will usually be applied
in conjunction with a liquid treatment, many times Termidor.
--
Lar
to email....get rid of the BUGS
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| Thanks, Lar.
"Lar" <larlfu@comcastBUGS.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ccf2bb7ed40a06a9896f5@netnews.comcast.net...
quote:
> In article <j6c9e.17581$jd6.200@trnddc07>,
testing@testing1212mouse.com
quote:
> says...
> A couple of folks posted awhile back about a bait that
you
quote:
> can put out (either liquid or powder, don't remember),
and
quote:
> the termites will take it back to their nest. Anyone
know
quote:
> what they might be?
>
> I don't need instant extermination - can live with a
few
quote:
> weeks for them to disappear. First choice would be
> something a consumer can buy.
>
> The baits that the consumers can buy will be limited in
their success.
quote:
> They will kill a number of termites that feeds on the bait
and in turn a
quote:
> number of termites that they feed, but it would not be a
way to protect
quote:
> the home from attacks. The most effective product out
there, Termidor,
quote:
> is sometimes referred as a "Liquid bait" but it isn't a
true bait, but
quote:
> it does stop the termite colony from attacking the home,
but it would
quote:
> have to be applied by a professional. There are also a
number of baits
quote:
> that would be applied by the pros, but they too will
usually be applied
quote:
> in conjunction with a liquid treatment, many times
Termidor.
quote:
>
> --
> Lar
>
> to email....get rid of the BUGS
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| Budget Bug Man 2005-06-16, 2:32 pm |
| Fred,
The best termite bait on the market is Advance Termite Bait System made
by Whitmire Micro-Gen. I have seen it available on the do-it-yourself
websites, and it is a colony elimination bait system. We use it
professionally, and I highly recommend it, although I recommend that a
professional install and monitor it. They have the training and
experience needed to know what the system is "telling them" with regard
to the termites and such.
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| "Budget Bug Man" wrote:
quote:
> The best termite bait on the market is Advance Termite Bait System made
> by Whitmire Micro-Gen. I have seen it available on the do-it-yourself
> websites, and it is a colony elimination bait system.
How does that compare with the stakes Home Depot sells? I need to protect
several buildings, and the ground here is loaded with termites. I'd need
$hundreds worth of the DIY stakes, but it's still a lot cheaper than a
service. (No offense to the pros, who I'm sure earn it; I'm just
budget-limited here.)
Thanks-
Theo
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| bugs@bugs.com 2005-06-16, 2:32 pm |
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On 1-May-2005, "Theo" <SPAMtheobroma@att.net (reply w/o spam)> wrote:
quote:
> (No offense to the pros, who I'm sure earn it; I'm just
> budget-limited here.)
If you are really budget minded then you would hire a professional to do the
job. The extra money you spend on the treatment with a professional will fit
better into your budget than having to spend several thousand to repair
damages where the do it yourself treatment did not work.
If you want a real comparison for budget concerns go to the Home Depot and
buy those stakes and put them out when finished go ahead and tear out one
entire wall of the house and have it rebuilt, that is about the same as what
it will end up in the future.
So which fits into your budget better pay a little now or a lot later?
--
I wish you all the best
Tim Wise
www.onepest.com
www.askourpros.com
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| DOUGLAS 2005-06-16, 2:32 pm |
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<bugs@bugs.com> wrote in message news:dOudnRxFjfLbkejfRVn-sg@adelphia.com...
quote:
>
> On 1-May-2005, "Theo" <SPAMtheobroma@att.net (reply w/o spam)> wrote:
>
>
> If you are really budget minded then you would hire a professional to do
> the
> job. The extra money you spend on the treatment with a professional will
> fit
> better into your budget than having to spend several thousand to repair
> damages where the do it yourself treatment did not work.
>
> If you want a real comparison for budget concerns go to the Home Depot and
> buy those stakes and put them out when finished go ahead and tear out one
> entire wall of the house and have it rebuilt, that is about the same as
> what
> it will end up in the future.
>
> So which fits into your budget better pay a little now or a lot later?
>
> --
> I wish you all the best
> Tim Wise
Sorry - I don't buy your advise - at least not in all cases.
I'm a professional landlord with quite a few rental properties.
I've had termites (subterranean) at three of them).
Local pest control companies offered Sentricon and/or with Boracare and
several barrier type chemicals as alternatives. No one would offer a damage
warranty. They'd only offer a warranty allowing for free repeat treatments
if the original treatment didn't work. BIG DEAL! If it didn't work the first
time, I doubted that it would be totally effective the second. With the
short life span of currently approved chemicals, I had doubts about long
term control.
Admittedly, two of the building are tough to treat:
One is a cottage in a wildlife preserve salt marsh built on a slab. They
wouldn't use barrier treatments there since they claimed it would violate
the Federal Wetlands act to pump chemicals into a wetland.
The other house is a multifamily with a virtual stream running thru the
basement, high water table and hollow concrete block foundation.
I decided to not treat any of the buildings and to simply keep up with the
carpentry repairs. My average costs for repair work is about $200/year -
much less than the cost of professional termite treatment. The pest control
companies wanted $3000 alone for that multifamily house - lowest estimate,
plus an annual maintenance fee thereafter.
Meanwhile I have used the Terminate bait system on my own - as sold by Home
Depot.
It took three years but constant use of it at the multifamily has reduced
apparent termite activity to zero. I put the traps closer together than
recommended and change them at least as often, especially if there are
"hits". My cost overall is still MUCH lower than professional treatment.
When the "pros" can offer a truly long term treatment using chemicals
approved by EPA,
AND ALSO offer a true warranty against termite damage, then I'll consider
using them.
So far, although there are some new chemicals out there, I'm not convinced
of their LONG TERM effectiveness.
Doug
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| Budget Bug Man 2005-06-16, 2:32 pm |
| Good luck, Doug, getting any REAL kind of damage repair warranty. It
simply does not happen. Why not? (1) There are too many things that are
beyond the control of the PCO that can happen to allow termites back in
to damage the home, (2) There are too many dishonest homeowners that
will find damage - with NO LIVE INSECTS - and claim that it wasn't
there before, and expect the PCO to repair it.
You think you get a damage repair warranty from the big boy? Read it
and re-read it again. They will pay ONLY if all the circumstances in
the warranty are exactly as spelled out. Don't plan on all the planets
being in line, cause it ain't gonna happen.
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| Hooligan 2005-06-16, 2:32 pm |
| Oh I just love people like that fellow. I see them more often than not.
I did one last week that was passed up four years ago. The baiting
tubes all through the ground and lots of termites in the house. I won't
work for someone with that attitude. If you have things so under
control, why are you here? And sorry to say this but I won't treat a
swamp either.
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| PCOpug 2005-06-16, 2:32 pm |
| One is a cottage in a wildlife preserve salt marsh built on a slab. They
wouldn't use barrier treatments there since they claimed it would violate
the Federal Wetlands act to pump chemicals into a wetland.
The other house is a multifamily with a virtual stream running thru the
basement, high water table and hollow concrete block foundation.
I decided to not treat any of the buildings and to simply keep up with the
carpentry repairs. My average costs for repair work is about $200/year -
much less than the cost of professional termite treatment. The pest control
companies wanted $3000 alone for that multifamily house - lowest estimate,
plus an annual maintenance fee thereafter.
Meanwhile I have used the Terminate bait system on my own - as sold by Home
Depot.
It took three years but constant use of it at the multifamily has reduced
apparent termite activity to zero. I put the traps closer together than
recommended and change them at least as often, especially if there are
"hits". My cost overall is still MUCH lower than professional treatment.
When the "pros" can offer a truly long term treatment using chemicals
approved by EPA,
AND ALSO offer a true warranty against termite damage, then I'll consider
using them.
So far, although there are some new chemicals out there, I'm not convinced
of their LONG TERM effectiveness.
Heavy statements .
There are very few "landlords " like you . I will bet the properties look
good . I would keep secret about the wetland thing and not pump chemicals of
any sort . Federal and State regulation could cause liability , fines, or
new interpretation of law if some disgruntled renter wanted to give you a
hard time. The renters within the wildlife zone should understand that
insects are a part of "nature".
Question : what type of heating is there in the wetlanded cottage ?
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| bugs@bugs.com 2005-06-16, 2:32 pm |
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On 3-May-2005, "DOUGLAS" <dslosty@pipeline.com> wrote:
quote:
> Admittedly, two of the building are tough to treat:
> One is a cottage in a wildlife preserve salt marsh built on a slab. They
> wouldn't use barrier treatments there since they claimed it would violate
> the Federal Wetlands act to pump chemicals into a wetland.
>
> The other house is a multifamily with a virtual stream running thru the
> basement, high water table and hollow concrete block foundation.
Here is evidence that the Terminate Stakes really work, damn and I thought
they were just a scam
http://www.doityourselftermitecontr...minatepress.htm
http://www.cdms.net/ldat/ld6D0003.pdf Ok so you say one Company was going
to use Sentricon, so if you would take a look at the link at the beginning
of this sentence, paying particular attention to the ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS
section of the label.
Here is a copy of the breakdown of the Terminate bait Stakes
http://www.cdpr.ca.gov/cgi-bin/labe...pl?prodno=43176 Notice that the
active ingredient is Sulfluramid
Here is a copy of the label for the Firstline baits which have the exact
same active ingredient and percentage, notice that they also say not to
contaminate water supplies or streams as well.
http://pestsolutions.fmc.com/Conten...s_Termite_B.pdf
This property that you had questions about would have been easier answered
if you had told us all the facts up front. The advice we would have
suggested would also have been different. I agree with what the Budget
Bugman said the stars are not going to be in line so you will be waiting for
a long time for a real damage repair warranty. It seems to me that these
houses need to be moved to a location that can be properly cared for. If you
cannot treat them because one has a stream running under it and the other is
on a wetland then you have one of three choices, let the termites eat, raise
them on concrete pillars that you can keep an eye on and place above ground
baits if the termites show up, or move them where they can be properly
treated with a liquid that will take care of any termites.
But they are yours to do with what you will, I hope now that you have told
us about the conditions that exist around these homes you will not be
placing baits in the ground where it can seep into the water and kill the
aquatic life.
--
I wish you all the best
Tim Wise
www.onepest.com
www.askourpros.com
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| In article <p_Gde.3980$V01.513@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
dslosty@pipeline.com says...
They'd only offer a warranty allowing for free repeat treatments
if the original treatment didn't work. BIG DEAL!
It can be a big deal. I don't offer a damage repair warranty. The
companies that do seem to run at least $1500 higher on the treatments
and at least $200 higher on the yearly renewals. I believe the average
warranty repair work is around $300.
If it didn't work the first
time, I doubted that it would be totally effective the second. With the
short life span of currently approved chemicals, I had doubts about long
term control.
Lots of reasons why a treatment may of not of worked the first time,
usually structural rather than treatment failure, though with newer
products such as Termidor even the structural issues the failures are
very few and far between and it is testing over 10 years at 100% in the
field tests. But there are buildings out there for what ever
circumstance just can't be properly treated, yours may fall into that
category.
--
Lar
to email....get rid of the BUGS
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| jeffy2100@webtv.net 2005-06-16, 2:33 pm |
| The cat food can borax stw jelly
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| DOUGLAS 2005-06-16, 2:33 pm |
|
"Hooligan" <loriganpestcontrol@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:1115171925.501236.293690@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
quote:
> Oh I just love people like that fellow. I see them more often than not.
> I did one last week that was passed up four years ago. The baiting
> tubes all through the ground and lots of termites in the house. I won't
> work for someone with that attitude. If you have things so under
> control, why are you here? And sorry to say this but I won't treat a
> swamp either.
>
My attitude is that I simply expect something for my money.
With the "attitude" of a lot of pest control companies around here - that
ain't gonna happen.
As for why I'm on this newsgroup?
There is always more to learn - about any topic - but maybe that ain't gonna
happen here....
Doug
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| bugs@bugs.com 2005-06-16, 2:33 pm |
| Doug I think the entire problem with us here that have tried to help you is
that you gave us partial information in the beginning and expected us to
give you advice. When you go to a doctor you don't simply say I feel bad and
expect them to know what is wrong with you.
Had you told us up front that one of the houses had a stream running under
it and one of them was in a federal wetland or on a wildlife reserve
whichever it was we would have advised you differently.
I do though hope you now understand that the conditions you have described
causing the ground to have water in it very close to the top of the surface
even baits should not be used in them. The only application you should
consider is a Boracare treatment of the structure itself. You WILL NOT get a
damage repair warranty with this treatment however you can get good results
from it, but it needs to be done by a professional. You can attempt it
yourself but I would recommend a professional.
If you have any other problems please come back and ask as many questions as
you want we will try to help all we can, but please tell us the details as
best you can up front in the original post. ;o)
--
I wish you all the best
Tim Wise
www.onepest.com
www.askourpros.com
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| DOUGLAS 2005-06-16, 2:33 pm |
|
<bugs@bugs.com> wrote in message news:X9udncW1k5R90eXfRVn-sg@adelphia.com...
quote:
>
> On 3-May-2005, "DOUGLAS" <dslosty@pipeline.com> wrote:
>
>
> Here is evidence that the Terminate Stakes really work, damn and I thought
> they were just a scam
> http://www.doityourselftermitecontr...minatepress.htm
>
>
> http://www.cdms.net/ldat/ld6D0003.pdf Ok so you say one Company was going
> to use Sentricon, so if you would take a look at the link at the beginning
> of this sentence, paying particular attention to the ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS
> section of the label.
>
>
> Here is a copy of the breakdown of the Terminate bait Stakes
> http://www.cdpr.ca.gov/cgi-bin/labe...pl?prodno=43176 Notice that the
> active ingredient is Sulfluramid
>
> Here is a copy of the label for the Firstline baits which have the exact
> same active ingredient and percentage, notice that they also say not to
> contaminate water supplies or streams as well.
> http://pestsolutions.fmc.com/Conten...s_Termite_B.pdf
>
>
> This property that you had questions about would have been easier answered
> if you had told us all the facts up front. The advice we would have
> suggested would also have been different. I agree with what the Budget
> Bugman said the stars are not going to be in line so you will be waiting
> for
> a long time for a real damage repair warranty. It seems to me that these
> houses need to be moved to a location that can be properly cared for. If
> you
> cannot treat them because one has a stream running under it and the other
> is
> on a wetland then you have one of three choices, let the termites eat,
> raise
> them on concrete pillars that you can keep an eye on and place above
> ground
> baits if the termites show up, or move them where they can be properly
> treated with a liquid that will take care of any termites.
>
> But they are yours to do with what you will, I hope now that you have told
> us about the conditions that exist around these homes you will not be
> placing baits in the ground where it can seep into the water and kill the
> aquatic life.
>
>
>
> --
> I wish you all the best
> Tim Wise
>
> www.onepest.com
> www.askourpros.com
Tell the facts up front???
I told all the local companies the facts up front....
I have no expectations of a true damage warranty.
That was my point - simply that in my case, a professional treatment was not
cost effective.
I also had no expectations that the Terminate bait system would totally
control the problem.
That's why I budget an annual amount for carpentry repairs replacing all
deteriorated wood with pressure treated lumber, total costs still coming
way under a professional treatment.
Bait stakes at the cottage do not risk contaminating the salt marsh that is
at least 50 ft away.
However, pumping chemicals into the ground below the slab may well cause
contamination due to migration
of the chemical. At the mutli-family house, surface installed bait stakes in
no way risk contamination of the water in the "stream" in the basement below
the house. If they did, the stakes would have to be considered unsafe to
ground water simply due to rain. The chemical in the treated paper in the
tubes is simply not going to migrate to nay extent.
If you check the internet, there is a study showing the effectiveness of
sulflurimide stakes done by a Lousiana State
University study in a bayou. Guess they were not too worried about water
contamination.
As for that lawsuit against Terminate, I was contacted by the attorney for
the plaintiff.
Even as a user I disagreed with that lawsuit and had a heated discussion
with the attorney.
He hung the company on their wording in the instruction sheet, not on the
effectiveness of the product.
To any user with common sense, simply placing the bait sticks and forgetting
about them would
not control a termite problem. They have to be regularly checked and
replaced, something that Terminate didn't emphasize enough in their
instruction sheet. Funny thing about that, Terminate would have sold more of
the sticks if they had increased their emphasis about monitoring and
replacement.
The suggestion that these properties could be moved or raised is ridiculous.
I'm in Connecticut.
Land and labor costs are so high here that such a solution is patently
unfeasable.
Doug
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| bugs@bugs.com 2005-06-16, 2:33 pm |
| I don't understand you. First you come on here asking about Terminate and
when we give you advice it is like someone places a fire under you and you
start firing back at us. Do you own stock in this crap or what? You asked
for advice and we gave it, we never once said it was going to be what you
wanted to hear, it was advice take it or leave it. Then you come back and
say the cottage is on a marsh a wetlands and the companies would not treat
because of that and one property has a stream running through the basement,
now you are backing off and saying the marsh is 50 feet away and the stream
is below the basement, which is it?
Oh and by the way if you are budget minded why are you using that expensive
pressure treated wood to replace the damaged wood with? And don't say that
termites wont eat it because YES THEY WILL EAT PRESSURE TREATED WOOD! So why
are you using it then? It would be much more budget conscience to use
regular pine.
--
I wish you all the best
Tim Wise
www.onepest.com
www.askourpros.com
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| DOUGLAS 2005-06-16, 2:33 pm |
|
<bugs@bugs.com> wrote in message news:AbKdnR1zl5ntsxzfRVn-rA@adelphia.com...
quote:
>I don't understand you. First you come on here asking about Terminate and
> when we give you advice it is like someone places a fire under you and you
> start firing back at us. Do you own stock in this crap or what? You asked
> for advice and we gave it, we never once said it was going to be what you
> wanted to hear, it was advice take it or leave it. Then you come back and
> say the cottage is on a marsh a wetlands and the companies would not treat
> because of that and one property has a stream running through the
> basement,
> now you are backing off and saying the marsh is 50 feet away and the
> stream
> is below the basement, which is it?
>
> Oh and by the way if you are budget minded why are you using that
> expensive
> pressure treated wood to replace the damaged wood with? And don't say that
> termites wont eat it because YES THEY WILL EAT PRESSURE TREATED WOOD! So
> why
> are you using it then? It would be much more budget conscience to use
> regular pine.
>
> --
> I wish you all the best
> Tim Wise
>
> www.onepest.com
> www.askourpros.com
Hi Tim,
You've got me puzzled:
1. I NEVER asked for advise about Terminate or anything else.
I was simply relating my viewpoint with regards to a previous posting
concerning
the costs/benefits of professional treatment. Obviously you don't agree
with me - that's fine.
2. I mentioned the condition of my properties and the difficulties with
treatment in my ORIGINAL posting.
Did you confuse the content of my posting with that of someone
else's?????
3. You are picking nits about the details that I gave.
The cottage is indeed about 50 ft from the "official" start of the
saltmarsh.
The water table is only about 24 inches below the slab at best.
Experts with more qualifications than I have stated that any barrier
treatment would indeed migrate into the marsh.
Whether the marsh is 2 ft or 50 ft from the cottage is pretty much
irrelevant under the conditions.
As for the other house, the stream is in/below the basement. Below in the
sense that I've created a huge sump pit
to control the water level. Without the periodic operation of my pump, the
water would indeed be "in" the basement.
The problem is that around 100 feet from the rear of that house, a cliff
rises 500 ft in altitude, drastically raising the water table. The
underground water is virtually pressurized in an artesian well sense.
4. Yes, I do know that termites can and will attack pressure treated wood.
However, the costs difference is minor and it at least slows them down a bit
plus being wet rot resistant.
4. How can answering your opinion with follow up opinions of my own be
considered "firing" at you?
I made no personal comments about how you or anyone else on this newsgroup
operates their business.
I did make general comments about some of the local pest control operators
in my area.
Do you have stock in their businesses??
:-)
I guess I was wrong when I thought newsgroups like this were designed for
free and open discussion of ideas.
Doug
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|
| Thanks BB!!
"Budget Bug Man" <budgetwichita@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1113968186.802587.223160@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
quote:
> Fred,
>
> The best termite bait on the market is Advance Termite
Bait System made
quote:
> by Whitmire Micro-Gen. I have seen it available on the
do-it-yourself
quote:
> websites, and it is a colony elimination bait system. We
use it
quote:
> professionally, and I highly recommend it, although I
recommend that a
quote:
> professional install and monitor it. They have the
training and
quote:
> experience needed to know what the system is "telling
them" with regard
quote:
> to the termites and such.
>
| |
|
| Thanks for the info, Douglas. I respect the pro's and they
offer a good service, but I'm the handy man type too, and at
least like to know what's out there before I call one.
Fred
"DOUGLAS" <dslosty@pipeline.com> wrote in message
news:p_Gde.3980$V01.513@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
quote:
>
> <bugs@bugs.com> wrote in message
news:dOudnRxFjfLbkejfRVn-sg@adelphia.com...
quote:
spam)> wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
professional to do[vbcol=seagreen]
professional will[vbcol=seagreen]
thousand to repair[vbcol=seagreen]
the Home Depot and[vbcol=seagreen]
and tear out one[vbcol=seagreen]
about the same as[vbcol=seagreen]
or a lot later?[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>
> Sorry - I don't buy your advise - at least not in all
cases.
quote:
>
> I'm a professional landlord with quite a few rental
properties.
quote:
> I've had termites (subterranean) at three of them).
>
> Local pest control companies offered Sentricon and/or with
Boracare and
quote:
> several barrier type chemicals as alternatives. No one
would offer a damage
quote:
> warranty. They'd only offer a warranty allowing for free
repeat treatments
quote:
> if the original treatment didn't work. BIG DEAL! If it
didn't work the first
quote:
> time, I doubted that it would be totally effective the
second. With the
quote:
> short life span of currently approved chemicals, I had
doubts about long
quote:
> term control.
>
> Admittedly, two of the building are tough to treat:
> One is a cottage in a wildlife preserve salt marsh built
on a slab. They
quote:
> wouldn't use barrier treatments there since they claimed
it would violate
quote:
> the Federal Wetlands act to pump chemicals into a wetland.
>
> The other house is a multifamily with a virtual stream
running thru the
quote:
> basement, high water table and hollow concrete block
foundation.
quote:
>
> I decided to not treat any of the buildings and to simply
keep up with the
quote:
> carpentry repairs. My average costs for repair work is
about $200/year -
quote:
> much less than the cost of professional termite treatment.
The pest control
quote:
> companies wanted $3000 alone for that multifamily house -
lowest estimate,
quote:
> plus an annual maintenance fee thereafter.
>
> Meanwhile I have used the Terminate bait system on my
own - as sold by Home
quote:
> Depot.
> It took three years but constant use of it at the
multifamily has reduced
quote:
> apparent termite activity to zero. I put the traps closer
together than
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> recommended and change them at least as often, especially
if there are
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> "hits". My cost overall is still MUCH lower than
professional treatment.
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>
> When the "pros" can offer a truly long term treatment
using chemicals
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> approved by EPA,
> AND ALSO offer a true warranty against termite damage,
then I'll consider
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> using them.
> So far, although there are some new chemicals out there,
I'm not convinced
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> of their LONG TERM effectiveness.
>
> Doug
>
>
>
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| I tried to get a PCO to come and look at a house here
(Calif) and pay a fee for their visit, but no one would come
out under those conditions. I called several and all said
they would come out for a "free inspection" only, EXCEPT
that you had to sign a contract ahead of time that if they
found any damage, they would do the repairs. Never heard of
any kind of business doing this in my life except for the
local termite companies. Needless to say, we hired a
non-PCO who came out, found droppings, identified them as
'years old' and never saw a termite for 10 years.
Fred
"Budget Bug Man" <budgetwichita@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1115167815.531464.144570@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
quote:
> Good luck, Doug, getting any REAL kind of damage repair
warranty. It
quote:
> simply does not happen. Why not? (1) There are too many
things that are
quote:
> beyond the control of the PCO that can happen to allow
termites back in
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> to damage the home, (2) There are too many dishonest
homeowners that
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> will find damage - with NO LIVE INSECTS - and claim that
it wasn't
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> there before, and expect the PCO to repair it.
>
> You think you get a damage repair warranty from the big
boy? Read it
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> and re-read it again. They will pay ONLY if all the
circumstances in
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> the warranty are exactly as spelled out. Don't plan on all
the planets
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> being in line, cause it ain't gonna happen.
>
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| Aw, we all know what's going on here, Douglas! :O) Some
folks are just trying to promote using professional
exterminator services -- and nothing wrong with that a tall.
I do the same in my business. But I'm with you - I want to
learn as much as I can first, before making that phone call.
And besides, like I always say, ..... WHOOPS!! It's supper
time!! Stop the presses!! Later boys!!
Fred
"DOUGLAS" <dslosty@pipeline.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Hooligan" <loriganpestcontrol@alltel.net> wrote in
message
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>
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The baiting[vbcol=seagreen]
house. I won't[vbcol=seagreen]
so under[vbcol=seagreen]
won't treat a[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> My attitude is that I simply expect something for my
money.
quote:
> With the "attitude" of a lot of pest control companies
around here - that
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> ain't gonna happen.
>
> As for why I'm on this newsgroup?
> There is always more to learn - about any topic - but
maybe that ain't gonna
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> happen here....
>
> Doug
>
>
>
>
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| Howdy boys! Give it a break! :O) Typical usenet Q&A.
"DOUGLAS" <dslosty@pipeline.com> wrote in message
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>
> <bugs@bugs.com> wrote in message
news:AbKdnR1zl5ntsxzfRVn-rA@adelphia.com...
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about Terminate and[vbcol=seagreen]
under you and you[vbcol=seagreen]
or what? You asked[vbcol=seagreen]
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companies would not treat[vbcol=seagreen]
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conscience to use[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> You've got me puzzled:
>
> 1. I NEVER asked for advise about Terminate or anything
else.
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>
> I was simply relating my viewpoint with regards to a
previous posting
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> concerning
> the costs/benefits of professional treatment.
Obviously you don't agree
quote:
> with me - that's fine.
>
> 2. I mentioned the condition of my properties and the
difficulties with
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> treatment in my ORIGINAL posting.
> Did you confuse the content of my posting with that of
someone
quote:
> else's?????
>
> 3. You are picking nits about the details that I gave.
> The cottage is indeed about 50 ft from the "official"
start of the
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> saltmarsh.
> The water table is only about 24 inches below the
slab at best.
quote:
> Experts with more qualifications than I have stated
that any barrier
quote:
> treatment would indeed migrate into the marsh.
> Whether the marsh is 2 ft or 50 ft from the cottage
is pretty much
quote:
> irrelevant under the conditions.
>
> As for the other house, the stream is in/below the
basement. Below in the
quote:
> sense that I've created a huge sump pit
> to control the water level. Without the periodic operation
of my pump, the
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> water would indeed be "in" the basement.
> The problem is that around 100 feet from the rear of that
house, a cliff
quote:
> rises 500 ft in altitude, drastically raising the water
table. The
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> underground water is virtually pressurized in an artesian
well sense.
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>
> 4. Yes, I do know that termites can and will attack
pressure treated wood.
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> However, the costs difference is minor and it at least
slows them down a bit
quote:
> plus being wet rot resistant.
>
> 4. How can answering your opinion with follow up opinions
of my own be
quote:
> considered "firing" at you?
> I made no personal comments about how you or anyone else
on this newsgroup
quote:
> operates their business.
> I did make general comments about some of the local pest
control operators
quote:
> in my area.
>
> Do you have stock in their businesses??
> :-)
>
> I guess I was wrong when I thought newsgroups like this
were designed for
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> free and open discussion of ideas.
>
> Doug
>
>
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| BugsThugs&Harmony 2005-06-16, 2:33 pm |
| WOW..........another landlord know it all.
Does a surgeon give a organ repair warranty if the surgery didn't work
the first time? BIG DEAL?
Does a doctor give a warranty that he has diagnosed your condition on a
VISUAL examination? BIG DEAL?
Termites the majority of the time are hidden and unseen. Can you see
inside walls and under carpets or tile flooring on a slab floor? Better
yet Doug can you see below a slab?
Damage repair warranties are a :sales gimmick: 99% of the time. My
company offers them but ONLY on properties that we have pre treated.
Its the only 100% sure way to realize and KNOW that there are no
termites on the property nor any existing or hidden damage.
Kerry
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| PCOpug 2005-06-16, 2:33 pm |
| Mechanical alteration involves modiiying the structure so as to provide a
barrier that cannot be penetrated by termites, or to eliminate conditions
which are conducive to termite invasion. Use of concrete or metal barriers,
removal of cellulose debris, elimination of moisture near or in the
structure, establishment of sufficient ventilation of the infested area, and
eliminating wood to Soil contact are all examples of effective methods of
mechanical treatment.
Truman's Scientific .
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| Doug, good luck on your Terminate system. As far as getting a damage
warranty, alot of us pros will NOT offer them. As Budget stated
earlier, there are too MANY loopholes in the contract, non disclosures
on the homeowner, faulty construction. The list goes on and on and on.
Remember.......you asked the pros a question. You got a professional
answer. Been there done that.
DOUGLAS wrote:
quote:
> "Hooligan" <loriganpestcontrol@alltel.net> wrote in message
> news:1115171925.501236.293690@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> My attitude is that I simply expect something for my money.
> With the "attitude" of a lot of pest control companies around here - that
> ain't gonna happen.
>
> As for why I'm on this newsgroup?
> There is always more to learn - about any topic - but maybe that ain't gonna
> happen here....
>
> Doug
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| That's why I don't post as much, too many damned arguments. You get
people that get on here, raise a question. You get a response from
seasoned pros. That's what we're here for. In this situation, wish
him the best, and we move on.
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