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| bugs@bugs.com 2005-06-16, 2:32 pm |
| Lar that is priceless, care if I copy it and use it on my site?
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I wish you all the best
Tim Wise
www.onepest.com
www.askourpros.com
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| In article <_a2dnZ_DXKAcOezfRVn-vg@adelphia.com>, bugs@bugs.com says...
 Lar that is priceless, care if I copy it and use it on my site?
Help yourself Timbo... it's a Terminix job installed April 1999. The
only record showing any sort of activity in one of the stations was in
August of 2000 in a station on the opposite side of the home, but not
enough termites were recorded to introduce the bait matrix and next
service mentioned no activity. I would guess that tube is 3-6 years
old...my money would be on 6 years old. On the bright side, what ever
Terminix sprayed on the original tube seemed to of kept them from
rebuilding it.
Lesson for those on baiting programs...make sure the home is inspected
thoroughly at least once a year. There is NO excuse for this tube being
there, yet more times than not with Sentricon using companies, activity
will still be found on the structure.
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Lar
to email....get rid of the BUGS
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| bugs@bugs.com 2005-06-16, 2:32 pm |
| Larry to sum up an area in TX you service in a couple of words what would it
be, the Dallas area or The Houston area or something like that is what I am
looking for?
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I wish you all the best
Tim Wise
www.onepest.com
www.askourpros.com
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| Budget Bug Man 2005-06-16, 2:32 pm |
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Lar wrote:
quote:
>
> Lesson for those on baiting programs...make sure the home is
inspected
quote:
> thoroughly at least once a year. There is NO excuse for this tube
being
quote:
> there, yet more times than not with Sentricon using companies,
activity
quote:
> will still be found on the structure.
> --
> Lar
>
> to email....get rid of the BUGS
Lar, you are correct. There is NO EXCUSE for that. Here in Kansas, the
state expects you to do an annual home inspection, even for baiting
systems, just so that this kind of thing doesn't happen. Far too often,
though, they (the bait users) give the homeowner the false sense of
security by telling them "We are out there monthly, so you're covered."
All they do monthly is look in the stations, if they even do that.
On a side point, this same kind of thing happened when cockroach baits
came out and got popular. Technicians became "bait jockeys", slathering
gel everywhere each visit, and they didn't take the time to really
INSPECT and treat the problems. Far too many in this industry get lazy
with products, and this becomes the end result.
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| In article <k9mdnXuWoYzSKu_fRVn-pg@adelphia.com>, bugs@bugs.com says...
Larry to sum up an area in TX you service in a couple of words what would it
be, the Dallas area or The Houston area or something like that is what I am
looking for?
It's an area about 5 miles north of downtown Dallas. If you want to get
fancy smancy it's actually it's own town called Highland Park. Pretty
much where the who's who of north Texas lives. The home is valued a
little under $600k and considered to be a tear down.
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Lar
to email....get rid of the BUGS
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| In article <1114815117.297558.279230@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
budgetwichita@cox.net says...
On a side point, this same kind of thing happened when cockroach baits
came out and got popular. Technicians became "bait jockeys", slathering
gel everywhere each visit, and they didn't take the time to really
INSPECT and treat the problems. Far too many in this industry get lazy
with products, and this becomes the end result.
Jeff, things must be getting better. That made me think that I haven't
really seen the mess of bait slinging as much as like you mentioned a
few years back when the baiting for roaches became "the in way to treat"
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Lar
to email....get rid of the BUGS
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| PCOpug 2005-06-16, 2:32 pm |
| If the Sentricon System is approached aggressively .(Every ten days if
needed in order to keep fresh food for the termites feeding , constantly)
Then expect control within the 99.3 percent range .
Many times we have taken over when others have failed , unfortunatly , we
still have to charge the customer upwards of one thousand dollars . Our
company cannot re-coup your loss . We must pay Dow-Elanco and our labor.
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| bugs@bugs.com 2005-06-16, 2:32 pm |
| Jeff and Lar, it is funny you guys mention "Bait slinging" because I run
into it all the time. I have went into houses where the people are having
serious ant or spider problem and when their "Big Company" technician comes
in to do the service he puts out maxforce gel and leaves. The people haven't
seen a cockroach in their house in 2 or 3 years but the ants are crawling
all over things. It is ever so true what you say, some of the people have
gotten complacent and it looks bad on the industry just as this example that
Lar posted does.
I went into a house that was being treated by the big O for cockroaches and
the guy came in and treated the kitchen and bathroom for roaches and left.
The first thing I noticed when I walked in was a jug of Spectricide Flea
killer sitting in the floor. The people had three dogs in the house, so I
ask the obvious question, "do you have fleas?" The man said "they are about
to eat us up!" I ask him what the O tech was doing for him and he said
nothing, he put out that bait and that was all. I asked if he ever went into
the basement, he said no. I went into the basement and guess what I found
termites. I sold them a termite treatment and they are also a PC customer
now. No fleas either.
Jeff you guys hit the nail on the head with this post.....excellent post.
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I wish you all the best
Tim Wise
www.onepest.com
www.askourpros.com
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| Budget Bug Man 2005-06-16, 2:32 pm |
| >From what I head, Sentricon AO's are on the decline. Between Termidor
and Advance, Sentricon is taking a beating. But, with the stuff Dow
pulled, I guess it's finally reaping what they have sewn.
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| Hooligan 2005-06-16, 2:32 pm |
| I have 0% faith in Dow products anymore. Back when Sentri-con was
introduced they would not sell us little guys nothing. I've not bought
a Dow product since.
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| entophile 2005-07-02, 12:25 pm |
|
I gather you are not a fan of Sentricon?
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| In article <VMrxe.12028$jX6.5555@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
core@earthlink.net says...
I gather you are not a fan of Sentricon?
I find a couple of these a year.....
http://arrow-pestcontrol.com/sen1.JPG
http://arrow-pestcontrol.com/sen2.JPG
This house has Simple Con put in 6 years ago..wonder how old the after
installation tube is...
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Lar
to email....get rid of the BUGS
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| In article <KXAxe.18$BK1.9@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
core@earthlink.net says...
Lar wrote:
> In article <VMrxe.12028$jX6.5555@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> core@earthlink.net says...
>
> I gather you are not a fan of Sentricon?
>
>
>
> I find a couple of these a year.....
> http://arrow-pestcontrol.com/sen1.JPG
> http://arrow-pestcontrol.com/sen2.JPG
>
> This house has Simple Con put in 6 years ago..wonder how old the after
> installation tube is...
I think it would be more correct to direct your criticism towards the
PCO rather than Sentricon. Unless you have a highly agressive, huge
colony that is actively foraging everywhere, baiting requires a little
knowledge and skill. As others have stated in this thread, you can't
just throw them in the ground and assume all is well. This is why even
when baits with IGRs hit the do-it-yourself they will probably never
work because the average homeowner isn't going to invest the time needed
to do the job.
The criticism is towards Sentricon, the system, which part of the
criticism is it allows failures by the PCO all too often. I have yet to
come across a baited home go past 4 years without termites being found
on the structure...sure they are out there, but I have yet to come
across one.
--
Lar
to email....get rid of the BUGS
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| entophile 2005-07-03, 4:25 am |
| Lar wrote:
quote:
> In article <KXAxe.18$BK1.9@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> core@earthlink.net says...
> Lar wrote:
> > In article <VMrxe.12028$jX6.5555@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> > core@earthlink.net says...
> >
> > I gather you are not a fan of Sentricon?
> >
> >
> >
> > I find a couple of these a year.....
> > http://arrow-pestcontrol.com/sen1.JPG
> > http://arrow-pestcontrol.com/sen2.JPG
> >
> > This house has Simple Con put in 6 years ago..wonder how old the after
> > installation tube is...
>
> I think it would be more correct to direct your criticism towards the
> PCO rather than Sentricon. Unless you have a highly agressive, huge
> colony that is actively foraging everywhere, baiting requires a little
> knowledge and skill. As others have stated in this thread, you can't
> just throw them in the ground and assume all is well. This is why even
> when baits with IGRs hit the do-it-yourself they will probably never
> work because the average homeowner isn't going to invest the time needed
> to do the job.
>
>
> The criticism is towards Sentricon, the system, which part of the
> criticism is it allows failures by the PCO all too often. I have yet to
> come across a baited home go past 4 years without termites being found
> on the structure...sure they are out there, but I have yet to come
> across one.
I see your point, but I don't agree with the logic. Kind of like saying
handguns should be banned because some people don't know how to use
them.
It is not suprising that baited homes get reinvasions. Research has
shown that Reticulitermes colonies share gallery systems. Once tunnels
are established to bait stations/structure foragers from subsequent
colonies will re-use them. This is why baiting requires constant
monitoring. Doesn't mean that it doesn'twork, it just means that
baiting requires a continuous effort.
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| In article <urKxe.12368$jX6.10830@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
core@earthlink.net says...
Lar wrote:
> In article <KXAxe.18$BK1.9@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> core@earthlink.net says...
> Lar wrote:
> > In article <VMrxe.12028$jX6.5555@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> > core@earthlink.net says...
> >
> > I gather you are not a fan of Sentricon?
> >
> >
> >
> > I find a couple of these a year.....
> > http://arrow-pestcontrol.com/sen1.JPG
> > http://arrow-pestcontrol.com/sen2.JPG
> >
> > This house has Simple Con put in 6 years ago..wonder how old the after
> > installation tube is...
>
> I think it would be more correct to direct your criticism towards the
> PCO rather than Sentricon. Unless you have a highly agressive, huge
> colony that is actively foraging everywhere, baiting requires a little
> knowledge and skill. As others have stated in this thread, you can't
> just throw them in the ground and assume all is well. This is why even
> when baits with IGRs hit the do-it-yourself they will probably never
> work because the average homeowner isn't going to invest the time needed
> to do the job.
>
>
> The criticism is towards Sentricon, the system, which part of the
> criticism is it allows failures by the PCO all too often. I have yet to
> come across a baited home go past 4 years without termites being found
> on the structure...sure they are out there, but I have yet to come
> across one.
I see your point, but I don't agree with the logic. Kind of like saying
handguns should be banned because some people don't know how to use
them.
I would say it's more of banning the specific type of hand guns that
were poorly made and will cause harm to the user.
It is not suprising that baited homes get reinvasions. Research has
shown that Reticulitermes colonies share gallery systems. Once tunnels
are established to bait stations/structure foragers from subsequent
colonies will re-use them. This is why baiting requires constant
monitoring. Doesn't mean that it doesn'twork, it just means that
baiting requires a continuous effort.
Way more effort than what can be affordable to a company. Texas A&M
research suggests that the baiting company should drop back by the
stations and water them every two weeks...you won't ever see that
happen... Every job that has been proposed that I have heard about
explains how termites will find the stations due to their random feeding
patterns which would mean at some point 100% of an area would be
investigated by foragers, when in fact they have a fractural feeding
pattern, which can leave gaps, thus possibility of termites never
finding a station. Supposedly no more than 1% of all bait stations out
there will have any sort of activity yet an initial install will be over
twice the cost of a conventional treatment and over 3 times the cost of
the yearly renewals. It is what it is, environmentally friendly, great
reduction of risks by the company, great reduction of labor costs,
double the profit and on the lower end for structural protection.
--
Lar
to email....get rid of the BUGS
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| entophile 2005-07-04, 12:25 pm |
| I don't have any commercial pest control experience, so I don't fully
understand the economics of baiting. Maybe from a money standpoint it
isn't the best option for the consumer - I don't know. Obviously in
your experience it isn't the best option. I understand maybe the Advance
system is changing that, but diflubenzuron doesn't exactly have the same
track record as hexaflumuron or whatever the AI is in the lates version
of Recruit these days.
Also keep in mind that all the research which has identified tunnel
patterns (whether they be fractal, random, systematic, or whatever) was
conducted in two-dimensional foraging arenas with a uniform tunneling
environment. In reality termites operate in an environment that is much
more complex with various physical and chemical components that attract
and repell them. These factors will trump the basic search pattern. I
imagine this can either work for or against baiting depending on who is
doing the installation and how much knowledge they have of termite behavior.
Maybe this is all entomological BS - I don't know. Like I said I'm not
a PCO. I am an entomologist with some booksmarts but not a lot of
practical pest control expereince, which is why I recently came to this
newsgroup. Most of you guys seem to have a lot of experience which is
probably more valubale in Pest Control than an Ento degree.
Lar wrote:
quote:
> In article <urKxe.12368$jX6.10830@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> core@earthlink.net says...
> Lar wrote:
> > In article <KXAxe.18$BK1.9@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> > core@earthlink.net says...
> > Lar wrote:
> > > In article <VMrxe.12028$jX6.5555@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> > > core@earthlink.net says...
> > >
> > > I gather you are not a fan of Sentricon?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I find a couple of these a year.....
> > > http://arrow-pestcontrol.com/sen1.JPG
> > > http://arrow-pestcontrol.com/sen2.JPG
> > >
> > > This house has Simple Con put in 6 years ago..wonder how old the after
> > > installation tube is...
> >
> > I think it would be more correct to direct your criticism towards the
> > PCO rather than Sentricon. Unless you have a highly agressive, huge
> > colony that is actively foraging everywhere, baiting requires a little
> > knowledge and skill. As others have stated in this thread, you can't
> > just throw them in the ground and assume all is well. This is why even
> > when baits with IGRs hit the do-it-yourself they will probably never
> > work because the average homeowner isn't going to invest the time needed
> > to do the job.
> >
> >
> > The criticism is towards Sentricon, the system, which part of the
> > criticism is it allows failures by the PCO all too often. I have yet to
> > come across a baited home go past 4 years without termites being found
> > on the structure...sure they are out there, but I have yet to come
> > across one.
>
> I see your point, but I don't agree with the logic. Kind of like saying
> handguns should be banned because some people don't know how to use
> them.
>
> I would say it's more of banning the specific type of hand guns that
> were poorly made and will cause harm to the user.
>
> It is not suprising that baited homes get reinvasions. Research has
> shown that Reticulitermes colonies share gallery systems. Once tunnels
> are established to bait stations/structure foragers from subsequent
> colonies will re-use them. This is why baiting requires constant
> monitoring. Doesn't mean that it doesn'twork, it just means that
> baiting requires a continuous effort.
>
> Way more effort than what can be affordable to a company. Texas A&M
> research suggests that the baiting company should drop back by the
> stations and water them every two weeks...you won't ever see that
> happen... Every job that has been proposed that I have heard about
> explains how termites will find the stations due to their random feeding
> patterns which would mean at some point 100% of an area would be
> investigated by foragers, when in fact they have a fractural feeding
> pattern, which can leave gaps, thus possibility of termites never
> finding a station. Supposedly no more than 1% of all bait stations out
> there will have any sort of activity yet an initial install will be over
> twice the cost of a conventional treatment and over 3 times the cost of
> the yearly renewals. It is what it is, environmentally friendly, great
> reduction of risks by the company, great reduction of labor costs,
> double the profit and on the lower end for structural protection.
>
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