Pest Control - I need info on Termidor and Premise

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I need info on Termidor and Premise

buffy92027@gmail.com

2006-09-02, 1:25 pm

I live in a mobile home. I have had 4 Termite companies com out. We
have NONE in the house, but we have SUBT. termites outside in a few
places. They will either use Termidor or Premise. I have 5 indoor cats.
The company we have chosen, says that there is NO problem with the Cats
in the house when they are treating the OUTSIDE. I have been told just
to cover the floor vents and leave the windows opened. My cats will be
fine? How true is this? I know theres no fumes, no odor and a pretty
low toxicity rate..but I don't want anything to happen to my cats. Any
opinions on this. Which one to use? which one won't kill my animals?
thanks so much.

valuepest@gmail.com

2006-09-02, 5:25 pm

buffy92027@gmail.com wrote:
> I live in a mobile home. I have had 4 Termite companies com out. We
> have NONE in the house, but we have SUBT. termites outside in a few
> places. They will either use Termidor or Premise. I have 5 indoor cats.
> The company we have chosen, says that there is NO problem with the Cats
> in the house when they are treating the OUTSIDE. I have been told just
> to cover the floor vents and leave the windows opened. My cats will be
> fine? How true is this? I know theres no fumes, no odor and a pretty
> low toxicity rate..but I don't want anything to happen to my cats. Any
> opinions on this. Which one to use? which one won't kill my animals?
> thanks so much.

Is your home on a concrete foundation? If not, why worry about the
termites? It's probably an unnecessary expense.

If it is on a foundation, then either product will work. I don't know
why they would advise you to open windows and cover floor vents, since
everything will be done outside. Doesn't make much sense to me.

Termidor will probably last longer than Premise in the soil. Both
actives (fipronil in Termidor and imidacloprid in Premise) are both
used in spot applied flea products.

Again, I would question why a mobil home would require a termite
treatment, but I don't know all the details.

Jeff

buffy92027@gmail.com

2006-09-02, 9:25 pm

valuepest@gmail.com wrote:
> buffy92027@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Is your home on a concrete foundation? If not, why worry about the
> termites? It's probably an unnecessary expense.
>
> If it is on a foundation, then either product will work. I don't know
> why they would advise you to open windows and cover floor vents, since
> everything will be done outside. Doesn't make much sense to me.
>
> Termidor will probably last longer than Premise in the soil. Both
> actives (fipronil in Termidor and imidacloprid in Premise) are both
> used in spot applied flea products.
>
> Again, I would question why a mobil home would require a termite
> treatment, but I don't know all the details.
>
> Jeff

Hi Jeff,
I have to get this done, NO CHOICE! I can't go into the details, not
having it done, is not an option. My mobile home is not on a concrete
foundation. My number one#1 concern are my 5 cats. Will they be safe in
the house, if they are treating the perimiter of the mobilehome. I
cannot seem to get a straight answer, if its safe to leave my pets in
the house. The company said it was safe, but I'd like to make sure.
thanks~

Lar

2006-09-03, 9:25 am

In article <1157248969.207312.188030@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
buffy92027@gmail.com says...

Hi Jeff,

I have to get this done, NO CHOICE! I can't go into the details, not

having it done, is not an option. My mobile home is not on a concrete

foundation. My number one#1 concern are my 5 cats. Will they be safe in

the house, if they are treating the perimiter of the mobilehome. I

cannot seem to get a straight answer, if its safe to leave my pets in

the house. The company said it was safe, but I'd like to make sure.

thanks

I have never seen or heard of any issue with any pets with either
product. Premise has been used for around 15-16 years now. Termidor has
been used for about 6 years.
--
Lar

to email get rid of the BUGS

buffy92027@gmail.com

2006-09-03, 1:25 pm

Lar wrote:
> In article <1157248969.207312.188030@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
> buffy92027@gmail.com says...
>

Hi Jeff,
>

I have to get this done, NO CHOICE! I can't go into the details, not
>

having it done, is not an option. My mobile home is not on a concrete
>

foundation. My number one#1 concern are my 5 cats. Will they be safe in
>

the house, if they are treating the perimiter of the mobilehome. I
>

cannot seem to get a straight answer, if its safe to leave my pets in
>

the house. The company said it was safe, but I'd like to make sure.
>

thanks
>

> I have never seen or heard of any issue with any pets with either
> product. Premise has been used for around 15-16 years now. Termidor has
> been used for about 6 years.
> --
> Lar
>
> to email get rid of the BUGS

Ok, so my animals will be safe inside the mobilehome during the
treatment of the outside? Its extremly odd that I could not find any
information regarding this. I am sure I am not the ONLY person who has
the inability to remove all of their pets, to have this done. I was
afraid some of the Termidor or Premise(which ever they use) might
travel upwards thru vents or windows. Should these be closed during the
treatment? The company I am using suggested that I leave all my windows
open. However, they did not seemed overly concerned about my
animals...however they did suggest we be gone from the house for a few
hours. Which seemed off, we have to leave, but its perfectly safe for
the cats?

valuepest@gmail.com

2006-09-03, 5:25 pm

"I was afraid some of the Termidor or Premise(which ever they use)
might travel upwards thru vents or windows."

In all the studies I have ever read, Premise does not create airborne
particles, so none will travel into the house unless it's sprayed
there. Don't know about Termidor. Premise DOES NOT require the
applicator to wear a respirator when working in an enclosed area;
Termidor does. That tells me a lot about if the stuff will travel
through the air.

And, if they (the exterminators) think you need to be away during
treatment, common sense says the pets should, too. Myself, I would not
suggest that anyone leave; only that people and pets stay away from the
wet treated soil until it's dry. That's a requirement on the product
lebeling.

Jeff

buffy92027@gmail.com

2006-09-03, 5:25 pm

valuepest@gmail.com wrote:
> "I was afraid some of the Termidor or Premise(which ever they use)
> might travel upwards thru vents or windows."
>
> In all the studies I have ever read, Premise does not create airborne
> particles, so none will travel into the house unless it's sprayed
> there. Don't know about Termidor. Premise DOES NOT require the
> applicator to wear a respirator when working in an enclosed area;
> Termidor does. That tells me a lot about if the stuff will travel
> through the air.
>
> And, if they (the exterminators) think you need to be away during
> treatment, common sense says the pets should, too. Myself, I would not
> suggest that anyone leave; only that people and pets stay away from the
> wet treated soil until it's dry. That's a requirement on the product
> lebeling.
>
> Jeff

Jeff,
Thank you so much. FINALLY, someone who answered my exact question. I
have my choice bwtween the Termidor or the Premise. I will choose the
Premise..our animals never go outside, so they'll never be in contact
with the treated area. Is it ok to leave the windows open while they
are doing this? thanks again.

gpsman

2006-09-04, 3:26 am

buffy92027@gmail.com wrote:
> I live in a mobile home. I have had 4 Termite companies com out. We
> have NONE in the house, but we have SUBT. termites outside in a few
> places.

Hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of homes have subterranean
termites on the property, and likely so will you after treatment. A
total waste of money, I assume it's not yours.

> They will either use Termidor or Premise. I have 5 indoor cats.
> The company we have chosen, says that there is NO problem with the Cats
> in the house when they are treating the OUTSIDE. I have been told just
> to cover the floor vents and leave the windows opened. My cats will be
> fine? How true is this? I know theres no fumes, no odor and a pretty
> low toxicity rate..but I don't want anything to happen to my cats. Any
> opinions on this. Which one to use? which one won't kill my animals?
> thanks so much.

Your cats will be fine. What would you do if they were treating your
neighbor's home ... and you didn't even know?

I have *never* seen any animal pay one bit of attention to either, and
they would have to drink enough to prove they are remarkably retarded
and deserve to be removed from the gene pool to even make them ill.
-----

- gpsman

buffy92027@gmail.com

2006-09-04, 1:25 pm

gpsman wrote:
> buffy92027@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of homes have subterranean
> termites on the property, and likely so will you after treatment. A
> total waste of money, I assume it's not yours.
>
>
> Your cats will be fine. What would you do if they were treating your
> neighbor's home ... and you didn't even know?
>
> I have *never* seen any animal pay one bit of attention to either, and
> they would have to drink enough to prove they are remarkably retarded
> and deserve to be removed from the gene pool to even make them ill.
> -----
>
> - gpsman

Hello,
I realize that even if you treat for termites they will ALWAYS come
back. If this were my own CHOICE I would not do it, I don't approve of
altering the environment with a bunch of chemicals, but due to
circumstances beyond my control, this has to be done..and YES it is my
mobile home and YES there are thousands of termites everywhere in the
Mobilehome Park. and if my neigbor was getting their place treated, I
would have still been concerned. I have read all the facts on both
chemicals, but my education and plain logic tell me that just because
they say it is safe...doesn't mean squat! Theres plenty of things the
Government has claimed to be safe, and then years down the road..."oh,
sorry we didn't know it would kill you"....so that is my reason for all
the questions, concerns and trying to get general info from other
people who have used these products.
Thanks

bugs@bugs.com

2006-09-05, 3:25 am

Buffy, if you have to have it treated then you have to have it treated, it
is not ours to question why you need that. But to address some of your
questions and concerns which is why you came here in the first place
correct?

Jeff has done a good job answering many of your questions and I only want to
add a little to what he has said. Both Termidor and Premise require the
treater to wear protective equipment when applying, Termidor does require a
little bit more by requiring a respirator, but that is for the safety of the
treater in the confined areas NOT the residents of the structure being
treated. I have never ask anyone to leave much less have I EVER required
them to leave, and if I were really that concerned about the product I were
using I would make the people leave and take their animals with them. For
instance I treat for fleas and I require that the residents leave the house
for at least 2 hours and all animals have to go as well. If I were using
something for termites that would be the cause me the same concern I would
make certain everyone and all animals were gone not just the people and
leave the animals behind.

The thing here is you mentioned they were going to do a perimeter treatment
and if that is the case then there should be no concern because as Jeff told
you and you said your animals do not go outside so they won't get into any
treatment. So you shouldn't worry yourself about either of the two
treatments. In my opinion Termidor is your best option however you cannot go
wrong using Premise either. So for you it is going to be a win win situation
no matter how you choose.

--
I wish you all the best
Tim Wise

www.onepest.com
www.askourpros.com

gpsman

2006-09-05, 9:25 am

buffy92027@gmail.com wrote: <brevity snip>

> I realize that even if you treat for termites they will ALWAYS come
> back.

What is your source of that information?

> If this were my own CHOICE I would not do it,

Then why did you "have 4 termite companies come out"?

> I don't approve of
> altering the environment with a bunch of chemicals,

If you'll pardon my saying so, you've now slipped over the edge of the
whacko abyss.

I assume you take advantage of motorized transportation... and eat
fruits and vegetables... and wear clothes... and use a plastic
keyboard, and maybe antibacterial soap... If you did have termites
would you choose to allow them to destroy your home or have the
environment altered?

> but due to
> circumstances beyond my control, this has to be done

How and why are you being forced to have your home treated for termites
when they haven't infested the structure?

> my education and plain logic tell me that just because
> they say it is safe...doesn't mean squat! Theres plenty of things the
> Government has claimed to be safe, and then years down the road..."oh,
> sorry we didn't know it would kill you"....so that is my reason for all
> the questions, concerns and trying to get general info from other
> people who have used these products.

Now that seems reasonable and prudent. But allowing your home to be
treated against your will sounds altogether too whacked to me. I hope
you're not being forced to pay for it as well.
-----

- gpsman

buffy92027@gmail.com

2006-09-05, 1:25 pm

gpsman wrote:
> buffy92027@gmail.com wrote: <brevity snip>
>
>
> What is your source of that information?
>
>
> Then why did you "have 4 termite companies come out"?
>
>
> If you'll pardon my saying so, you've now slipped over the edge of the
> whacko abyss.
>
> I assume you take advantage of motorized transportation... and eat
> fruits and vegetables... and wear clothes... and use a plastic
> keyboard, and maybe antibacterial soap... If you did have termites
> would you choose to allow them to destroy your home or have the
> environment altered?
>
>
> How and why are you being forced to have your home treated for termites
> when they haven't infested the structure?
>
>
> Now that seems reasonable and prudent. But allowing your home to be
> treated against your will sounds altogether too whacked to me. I hope
> you're not being forced to pay for it as well.
> -----
>
> - gpsman

I think you misunderstood what I meant. I could care less about the
termites, ants, ect...my concern is spraying something into the
environment that is toxic. I do care about the birds, the lizards, my
trees and other various things I have on my property. And NO I am not
paying for this treatment, and the reason I had 4 comapnies out is
because I was trying to find the SAFTEST, envionment friendly treatment
available..I also found it so interesting that the first company wanted
3,000, the 2nd company wanted 2,200 the third 1900 and the last one
1380! If I am doing something like this, I want to use the safest and
most highly regarded company(NO COMPLAINTS against them) certaily when
you purchase something expensive...do you ONLY look at one item, in one
store? I think its important to "shop" around and to ask questions.
And you know NOTHING about me.......trust me I am NO MORE whacked then
You sound!

Lar

2006-09-05, 1:25 pm

In article <1157466756.620725.148610@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
buffy92027@gmail.com says...

because I was trying to find the SAFTEST, envionment friendly treatment

available..I also found it so interesting that the first company wanted

3,000, the 2nd company wanted 2,200 the third 1900 and the last one

1380! If I am doing something like this, I want to use the safest and

most highly regarded company(NO COMPLAINTS against them) certaily when

you purchase something expensive...do you ONLY look at one item, in one

store? I think its important to "shop" around and to ask questions.

Guessing the first couple of choices were the National companies. If I
remember right you were getting basically a perimeter treatment for a
mobile home...keep checking you probably can get it around $850...maybe
lower. Ask friends and family who they may use for their pest control.
My preference would be Termidor...I have never had a call back on a home
I treated with it, or have come across termites in a home that another
company had treated with it. I have had call backs with Premise and
average a few termite jobs a year that were treated prior with premise a
few years earlier.

valuepest@gmail.com

2006-09-05, 1:25 pm

If you are looking for the most environmentally friendly option, find
someone that uses the Advance Termite Bait System. It's effective, will
use only a few grams of active instead of gallons, and it will find and
kill the termites as long as it is serviced properly. Then, you won't
have to worry about any chemical.

Jeff

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