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Rats in the ceiling - repelling?
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| shazlikd@yahoo.com.au 2006-09-09, 8:25 pm |
| Is there a way to repel rats from inside your ceiling space? I have
heard that possums dislike naphthalene and camphor. Is there anything
that rats dislike? I am definitely not putting rat poison in the
ceiling, so the little critters die in some hard-to-reach wall cavity,
and then perfume the whole house.
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| In article <1157850857.339423.67010@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
shazlikd@yahoo.com.au says...
 Is there a way to repel rats from inside your ceiling space? I have
heard that possums dislike naphthalene and camphor. Is there anything
that rats dislike? I am definitely not putting rat poison in the
ceiling, so the little critters die in some hard-to-reach wall cavity,
and then perfume the whole house.
Maybe try placing peanut butter or other bait on an un-set(SP) trap or
trap(S). After a couple of days of something eating the bait set the
trap(S). With the perfume of death, if it occurs, you at least know it
will be gone in about 10 days... can't be said with the odors of
mothball. Can linger around months and costs lots for the clean up.
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Lar
to email...get rid of the BUGS
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shazlikd@yahoo.com.au wrote:
> Is there a way to repel rats from inside your ceiling space? I have
> heard that possums dislike naphthalene and camphor. Is there anything
> that rats dislike? I am definitely not putting rat poison in the
> ceiling, so the little critters die in some hard-to-reach wall cavity,
> and then perfume the whole house.
Small rodent cage with PB then a washtub full of water.
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| Figaro 2006-09-09, 9:25 pm |
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<shazlikd@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:1157850857.339423.67010@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
| Is there a way to repel rats from inside your ceiling space? I have
| heard that possums dislike naphthalene and camphor. Is there anything
| that rats dislike? I am definitely not putting rat poison in the
| ceiling, so the little critters die in some hard-to-reach wall cavity,
| and then perfume the whole house.
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trap them:
http://www.havahart.com/nuisance/cr...itters_rats.asp
often you can also borrow these traps from your local public works office.
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| Lawrence 2006-09-09, 9:25 pm |
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shazlikd@yahoo.com.au wrote:
> Is there a way to repel rats from inside your ceiling space? I have
> heard that possums dislike naphthalene and camphor. Is there anything
> that rats dislike? I am definitely not putting rat poison in the
> ceiling, so the little critters die in some hard-to-reach wall cavity,
> and then perfume the whole house.
Poison is the most effective. Traps are available for those who
object. Live traps sound like your preferred option.
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| Eigenvector 2006-09-09, 9:25 pm |
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<shazlikd@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:1157850857.339423.67010@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> Is there a way to repel rats from inside your ceiling space? I have
> heard that possums dislike naphthalene and camphor. Is there anything
> that rats dislike? I am definitely not putting rat poison in the
> ceiling, so the little critters die in some hard-to-reach wall cavity,
> and then perfume the whole house.
>
I hear they are particularly averse to cats. Poison free and the cat gets a
free meal and entertainment to boot!
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| Sacramento Dave 2006-09-09, 9:25 pm |
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<shazlikd@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Is there a way to repel rats from inside your ceiling space? I have
> heard that possums dislike naphthalene and camphor. Is there anything
> that rats dislike? I am definitely not putting rat poison in the
> ceiling, so the little critters die in some hard-to-reach wall cavity,
> and then perfume the whole house.
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Search RAT ZAPPER
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| HeyBub 2006-09-10, 3:26 am |
| shazlikd@yahoo.com.au wrote:
> Is there a way to repel rats from inside your ceiling space? I have
> heard that possums dislike naphthalene and camphor. Is there anything
> that rats dislike? I am definitely not putting rat poison in the
> ceiling, so the little critters die in some hard-to-reach wall cavity,
> and then perfume the whole house.
Think cat. For rats, think BIG cat.
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| gfretwell@aol.com 2006-09-10, 3:26 am |
| On 9 Sep 2006 18:14:17 -0700, shazlikd@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>Is there a way to repel rats from inside your ceiling space? I have
>heard that possums dislike naphthalene and camphor. Is there anything
>that rats dislike? I am definitely not putting rat poison in the
>ceiling, so the little critters die in some hard-to-reach wall cavity,
>and then perfume the whole house.
If you don't find and repair the hole they are using you are wasting
your time. Then trap them out. These "cat" answers are from people who
don't really want to get rid of the rats. They just want an excuse
fior a cat. A cat may catch a few but it won't ever get them all. Rats
can go where a cat can't and they evolved to survive.
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| grg2006 2006-09-10, 3:26 am |
| "HeyBub" <heybubNOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote in
news:12g6v2h5cuhk2e6@news.supernews.com:
> shazlikd@yahoo.com.au wrote:
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> Think cat. For rats, think BIG cat.
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This kind of dumb reply is just ignorant.
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<shazlikd@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Is there a way to repel rats from inside your ceiling space? I have
> heard that possums dislike naphthalene and camphor. Is there anything
> that rats dislike? I am definitely not putting rat poison in the
> ceiling, so the little critters die in some hard-to-reach wall cavity,
> and then perfume the whole house.
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Man, I gotta get new glasses- when I first read the title for this thread, I
got an instant visual flash of a bunch of rats doing a Special Forces style
rope descent from the air grates and light fixtures, down to the sleeping
human population below......
aem sends....
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| HeyBub 2006-09-10, 1:25 pm |
| gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> On 9 Sep 2006 18:14:17 -0700, shazlikd@yahoo.com.au wrote:
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> If you don't find and repair the hole they are using you are wasting
> your time. Then trap them out. These "cat" answers are from people who
> don't really want to get rid of the rats. They just want an excuse
> fior a cat. A cat may catch a few but it won't ever get them all. Rats
> can go where a cat can't and they evolved to survive.
You may be right. But:
"Born on April 21 1963, Towser lived at Glenturret Distillery for almost 24
years and caught a total of 28,899 mice (pity the person who kept score!)
plus an uncounted number of rats, rabbits and pheasants in her life. Her
tally of mice earned her a place in the Guinness Book of Records as the
World Mouse-catching Champion."
Now had I been Towser's, uh, "supervisor," I would have hired a helper! But
at an average of 3.5 mice/day, she had to have been making a dent.
Further, if, as you say, rats evolved to survive, it would eventually dawn
on them that a monster lurks in this house and move on. The fact this
thought didn't occur to the mice at Glenturret is no doubt because they were
stupid Scottish mice.
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| gfretwell@aol.com 2006-09-10, 5:25 pm |
| On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:16:55 -0500, "HeyBub" <heybubNOSPAM@gmail.com>
wrote:
>gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
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>You may be right. But:
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>"Born on April 21 1963, Towser lived at Glenturret Distillery for almost 24
>years and caught a total of 28,899 mice (pity the person who kept score!)
>plus an uncounted number of rats, rabbits and pheasants in her life. Her
>tally of mice earned her a place in the Guinness Book of Records as the
>World Mouse-catching Champion."
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>Now had I been Towser's, uh, "supervisor," I would have hired a helper! But
>at an average of 3.5 mice/day, she had to have been making a dent.
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>Further, if, as you say, rats evolved to survive, it would eventually dawn
>on them that a monster lurks in this house and move on. The fact this
>thought didn't occur to the mice at Glenturret is no doubt because they were
>stupid Scottish mice.
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I doube Towser ever made a dent in that mouse population either. As
Lars said attic rats are usually "roof rats" (rattus rattus) AKA
fruit rats, tree rats or "Palmetto Squirrels" to those who want a nice
spin on the holes in their citrus for the snowbirds. They are very
good climbers and they will manage to stay away from a cat to the
point that the cat will not significantly affect the population. They
could probably live their whole life without touching the ground. Rats
breed up to the food supply. If you don't limit the food and the
places they live you can have thousands of them in a pretty short
period of time. Gestation is about 3 weeks and they can breed at 3
months old bearing a half dozen pups at a time. Do the math.
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| Stormin Mormon 2006-09-10, 9:25 pm |
| I was gonna ask if they had safety gear, and load rated caribeaners.
Glad I wasn't the only one who had that line of thought.
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Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
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<aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
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Man, I gotta get new glasses- when I first read the title for this
thread, I
got an instant visual flash of a bunch of rats doing a Special Forces
style
rope descent from the air grates and light fixtures, down to the
sleeping
human population below......
aem sends....
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| Mad-Biker 2006-09-12, 3:25 am |
| they are easily trainable :-)
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I was gonna ask if they had safety gear, and load rated caribeaners.
> Glad I wasn't the only one who had that line of thought.
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> --
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> Christopher A. Young
> You can't shout down a troll.
> You have to starve them.
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> <aemeijers@att.net> wrote in message
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> Man, I gotta get new glasses- when I first read the title for this
> thread, I
> got an instant visual flash of a bunch of rats doing a Special Forces
> style
> rope descent from the air grates and light fixtures, down to the
> sleeping
> human population below......
>
> aem sends....
>
>
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| wouldn't it be better to fix the problem...otherwise it will be a
reoccuring event
shazlikd@yahoo.com.au wrote:
> Is there a way to repel rats from inside your ceiling space? I have
> heard that possums dislike naphthalene and camphor. Is there anything
> that rats dislike? I am definitely not putting rat poison in the
> ceiling, so the little critters die in some hard-to-reach wall cavity,
> and then perfume the whole house.
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| Poisoning the little critters is the way to go. Get a rat poison that
dehydrates the rat causing death and they will leave in search of water. If
one should die on your property it won't smell because it will be
dehydrated. Good luck.
"shawn" <swade12@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> wouldn't it be better to fix the problem...otherwise it will be a
> reoccuring event
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> shazlikd@yahoo.com.au wrote:
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| In article <_EgOg.554050$IK3.408837@pd7tw1no>, csbaran@hotmail.com
says...
Poisoning the little critters is the way to go. Get a rat poison that
dehydrates the rat causing death and they will leave in search of water. If
one should die on your property it won't smell because it will be
dehydrated. Good luck.
Except.... there isn't such a bait. Wish there was a bait to guarantee
no calls about a dead smell. At least those type of calls are rare a far
between.
--
Lar
to email...get rid of the BUGS
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| Rat Attack is a non-warfarin rat poison that will dehydrate rats.
"shawn" <swade12@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> wouldn't it be better to fix the problem...otherwise it will be a
> reoccuring event
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> shazlikd@yahoo.com.au wrote:
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| In article <l1iOg.541235$iF6.222621@pd7tw2no>, csbaran@hotmail.com
says...
Rat Attack is a non-warfarin rat poison that will dehydrate rats.
"shawn" <swade12@verizon.net> wrote in message
Never heard of it..curious to what the active ingredient is. Mice are
one of the few animals that can live their life without drinking water
so a rodent bait to make rodents go for a drink wouldn't be an answer in
many cases.
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Lar
to email...get rid of the BUGS
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| Happybattles 2006-09-16, 1:25 pm |
| > Poison is the most effective. Traps are available for those who
> object. Live traps sound like your preferred option.
Poison is not the most effective. Rats and mice will both gather
poison bait and horde it. You may think that since all the poison is
gone that the problem is solved, but its not. It could be quite some
time before the poison is actually eaten. Also - most poison is an
anti-coagulant. This means that the rodent will "bleed-out". However,
the antidote is vitamin-k... which is very high in dog food.
The most effective way is to find how the rats are getting in to the
house and BLOCK THE ENTRANCES!
Do this by using hardware cloth (available at most hardware stores),
copper (not steel) wool, construction adhesive, concrete anchors and
medium gauge wire. A staple gun may come in handy too.
Then all you have to do is set the traps to catch what is trapped
inside. Once the ones inside are caught -poof- the problem is solved.
Just go back and check the "rodent exclusion" twice a year and repair
it as necessary.
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| In article <1158420196.407665.300010@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
happybattles@yahoo.com says...
Poison is not the most effective. Rats and mice will both gather
poison bait and horde it. You may think that since all the poison is
gone that the problem is solved, but its not. It could be quite some
time before the poison is actually eaten. Also - most poison is an
anti-coagulant. This means that the rodent will "bleed-out". However,
the antidote is vitamin-k... which is very high in dog food.
In my experience, baits are surely the most effective... to keep from
rodents gathering the baits, use blocks that are secured down rather
than "pellets" that can be easily moved. The vitamin K in dog foods is
a different form of what is used for the rodenticides antidote...so
puppy can have a shiny coat and have no fear of saving unwanted rodent
pests.
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Lar
to email...get rid of the BUGS
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| bugs@bugs.com 2006-09-18, 3:25 am |
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On 14-Sep-2006, "Remi" <csbaran@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Rat Attack is a non-warfarin rat poison that will dehydrate rats
Do you have a link to a site with a label or a MSDS sheet on it because I
can't find one anywhere?
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I wish you all the best
Tim Wise
www.onepest.com
www.askourpros.com
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| Glenda 2006-09-21, 1:25 pm |
| With all due respect, there is no such product. Most rodenticides work by
thinning the blood and creating heart failure. The dehydration theory is a
wive's tale.
"Remi" <csbaran@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Poisoning the little critters is the way to go. Get a rat poison that
> dehydrates the rat causing death and they will leave in search of water.
> If one should die on your property it won't smell because it will be
> dehydrated. Good luck.
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> "shawn" <swade12@verizon.net> wrote in message
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| Uli Lachmuth 2006-09-26, 5:25 pm |
| Glenda wrote:
> The dehydration theory is a wive's tale.
The dehydration theory is a nice example of what happens when people who
don't know try to explain something they observe:
The normal MOA of the normal anticoagulant rodenticide is that due to
the suppressed coagulation internal hemorrhages don't stop, the poisoned
animal bleeds profusely into guts and joints.
Fact 1 : the blood is no longer concentrated inside the blood vessels
but dispersed throughout the body
Fact 2 : Blood is moisture
Fact 3 : With reference to their individual mass rodents have a HUGE
body surface
What happens? Usually they dry out before bacteria can start their job
to decompose them. Effect: no smell.
Cheers, Uli
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"Uli Lachmuth" <ulachmuth@web.de> wrote in message
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> Glenda wrote:
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> The dehydration theory is a nice example of what happens when people who
> don't know try to explain something they observe:
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> The normal MOA of the normal anticoagulant rodenticide is that due to
> the suppressed coagulation internal hemorrhages don't stop, the poisoned
> animal bleeds profusely into guts and joints.
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> Fact 1 : the blood is no longer concentrated inside the blood vessels
> but dispersed throughout the body
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> Fact 2 : Blood is moisture
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> Fact 3 : With reference to their individual mass rodents have a HUGE
> body surface
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> What happens? Usually they dry out before bacteria can start their job
> to decompose them. Effect: no smell.
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Well, I can verify that for smaller rodents, at least. My previous apartment
had an outdoor storage cubby with a poorly-fit Z-strapped plywood door, so
every year when it got cold, mice moved in. I dreaded the annual cleanout,
because there was always 1 or 2 feet-up little corpses to suprise me, in the
niches between the crates and such. (I gross out easily.) I never put out
poison, so I assume hot or cold weather killed them. I could smell the piss
and turds and chewed cardboard, but never noticed any decomp. (Only
experienced <that> sickly sweet smell once or twice, and you never forget
it.)
aem sends...
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