Heating and air conditioning - Central Air Conditioner issue.

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Central Air Conditioner issue.

Silt

2005-10-25, 3:21 pm

Hi all,

Having a problem with my central air and was hoping someone may have a
guess as to the cause. I plan on having a professional come look at
it, but would like to hear some possible causes to my problem before
someone comes out.

Here's the problem. When I turn on my AC, it starts ok and cool air
is blowing in the house, but after about 10 minutes or so the fan on
the AC unit outside the house stops spinning....yet when you are next
to the AC it still sounds like something is on still. I tested
turning off the AC...waited a bit, turned it back on...and again it
functioned correctly for a little bit then again the fan stopped
spinning.

Any "most likely" causes as to why this happens? Again, I plan on
having someone come look at it, but if it is something along the lines
of "it's most likely a bad relay"....I want to be armed with that
information before someone comes.

Thanks a ton!

Silt

..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2005-10-25, 3:21 pm

Jabs

2005-10-25, 3:21 pm

Silt,
It's most likely a bad relay.

Jabs

Dido

2005-10-25, 4:21 pm

it sound like you may have bad fan motor
it seems that it is shutting down on overload
and or bad running capacitor
good luck from Dido

"Silt" <madh@er.com> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
>
> Having a problem with my central air and was hoping someone may have a
> guess as to the cause. I plan on having a professional come look at
> it, but would like to hear some possible causes to my problem before
> someone comes out.
>
> Here's the problem. When I turn on my AC, it starts ok and cool air
> is blowing in the house, but after about 10 minutes or so the fan on
> the AC unit outside the house stops spinning....yet when you are next
> to the AC it still sounds like something is on still. I tested
> turning off the AC...waited a bit, turned it back on...and again it
> functioned correctly for a little bit then again the fan stopped
> spinning.
>
> Any "most likely" causes as to why this happens? Again, I plan on
> having someone come look at it, but if it is something along the lines
> of "it's most likely a bad relay"....I want to be armed with that
> information before someone comes.
>
> Thanks a ton!
>
>
> Silt

Oscar_Lives

2005-10-25, 4:21 pm

"Silt" <madh@er.com> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
>
> Having a problem with my central air and was hoping someone may have a
> guess as to the cause. I plan on having a professional come look at
> it, but would like to hear some possible causes to my problem before
> someone comes out.
>
> Here's the problem. When I turn on my AC, it starts ok and cool air
> is blowing in the house, but after about 10 minutes or so the fan on
> the AC unit outside the house stops spinning....yet when you are next
> to the AC it still sounds like something is on still. I tested
> turning off the AC...waited a bit, turned it back on...and again it
> functioned correctly for a little bit then again the fan stopped
> spinning.
>
> Any "most likely" causes as to why this happens? Again, I plan on
> having someone come look at it, but if it is something along the lines
> of "it's most likely a bad relay"....I want to be armed with that
> information before someone comes.
>
> Thanks a ton!
>
>
> Silt

It's most likely a bad relay or something else.

Noon-Air

2005-10-25, 8:21 pm

Yup....its broken... call the tech.
No I can't see it from here, so I can't tell you for sure whats wrong with
it, even though I have a pretty good idea.

"Silt" <madh@er.com> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
>
> Having a problem with my central air and was hoping someone may have a
> guess as to the cause. I plan on having a professional come look at
> it, but would like to hear some possible causes to my problem before
> someone comes out.
>
> Here's the problem. When I turn on my AC, it starts ok and cool air
> is blowing in the house, but after about 10 minutes or so the fan on
> the AC unit outside the house stops spinning....yet when you are next
> to the AC it still sounds like something is on still. I tested
> turning off the AC...waited a bit, turned it back on...and again it
> functioned correctly for a little bit then again the fan stopped
> spinning.
>
> Any "most likely" causes as to why this happens? Again, I plan on
> having someone come look at it, but if it is something along the lines
> of "it's most likely a bad relay"....I want to be armed with that
> information before someone comes.
>
> Thanks a ton!
>
>
> Silt

Bubba

2005-10-25, 8:21 pm

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:50:58 -0700, Silt <madh@er.com> wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>Having a problem with my central air and was hoping someone may have a
>guess as to the cause. I plan on having a professional come look at
>it, but would like to hear some possible causes to my problem before
>someone comes out.
>
>Here's the problem. When I turn on my AC, it starts ok and cool air
>is blowing in the house, but after about 10 minutes or so the fan on
>the AC unit outside the house stops spinning....yet when you are next
>to the AC it still sounds like something is on still. I tested
>turning off the AC...waited a bit, turned it back on...and again it
>functioned correctly for a little bit then again the fan stopped
>spinning.
>
>Any "most likely" causes as to why this happens? Again, I plan on
>having someone come look at it, but if it is something along the lines
>of "it's most likely a bad relay"....I want to be armed with that
>information before someone comes.
>
>Thanks a ton!
>
>
>Silt

Sounds like you need a new compressor. When the fan stops, it still
makes a humming/buzzing noise. Its not cooling because the compressor
is locking up. Most likely, the compressor is too expensive to replace
so you might as well get prices on a new unit. Then you'll have a
warranty. You might want to think about a new furnace too. Maybe even
a new car...............a house too while you're at it.
Bubba

gofish@gonefishin.net

2005-10-25, 9:21 pm

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:50:58 -0700, Silt <madh@er.com> wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>Having a problem with my central air and was hoping someone may have a
>guess as to the cause. I plan on having a professional come look at
>it, but would like to hear some possible causes to my problem before
>someone comes out.
>
>Here's the problem. When I turn on my AC, it starts ok and cool air
>is blowing in the house, but after about 10 minutes or so the fan on
>the AC unit outside the house stops spinning....yet when you are next
>to the AC it still sounds like something is on still. I tested
>turning off the AC...waited a bit, turned it back on...and again it
>functioned correctly for a little bit then again the fan stopped
>spinning.
>
>Any "most likely" causes as to why this happens? Again, I plan on
>having someone come look at it, but if it is something along the lines
>of "it's most likely a bad relay"....I want to be armed with that
>information before someone comes.
>
>Thanks a ton!
>
>
>Silt

The relay isnt bad. The capacitor isnt bad. The compressor isn't bad. The only
new part you need is the condensing fan motor. Typically when replacing a
motor, its a good idea to replace the run cap as well. The existing motor has a
bearing thats going bad. The bearing over heats, the motor over heats, and an
internal switch inside the motor opens and stays open until the motor cools off.
Then it repeats this cycle.

Now, if you want to know the best way to change out this motor, go ahead and
ask.

gofish@gonefishin.net

2005-10-25, 9:21 pm

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:51:37 GMT, ..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:

>On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:50:58 -0700, Silt <madh@er.com> wrote:
>
>
> post in alt.home.repair, not here. This is not a free advice
>forum.

sure it is. Its just that 90% of the subject matter is over your head and
you're just too stupid to contribute.

Silt

2005-10-25, 9:21 pm

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:53:52 GMT, gofish@gonefishin.net wrote:

>On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:50:58 -0700, Silt <madh@er.com> wrote:
>
>
>The relay isnt bad. The capacitor isnt bad. The compressor isn't bad. The only
>new part you need is the condensing fan motor. Typically when replacing a
>motor, its a good idea to replace the run cap as well. The existing motor has a
>bearing thats going bad. The bearing over heats, the motor over heats, and an
>internal switch inside the motor opens and stays open until the motor cools off.
>Then it repeats this cycle.
>
>Now, if you want to know the best way to change out this motor, go ahead and
>ask.

Thanks for the positive response, it's much appreciated. Nice to see
that even though I may have posted to the wrong group, someone didn't
mind helping.

Thanks again,

Silt

Jabs

2005-10-25, 10:21 pm

GoFish,
Have you ever seen a bad capacitor...... for a good condenser fan
motor...... kill a good compressor before?

Jabs

<gofish@gonefishin.net> wrote:
>
(snip).... The capacitor isnt bad. The compressor isn't bad.

Stormin Mormon

2005-10-25, 10:21 pm

Could be one of several things. At the moment, the likely thing is a motor
problem. Could be dry berrings. Could also be that the condensor needs
cleaning -- retaining heat. That extra heat would not help the fan.

Now, if I was on this job I'd first check the capacitor. Second, would be to
check the run amperage of the fan. Third, would be to oil the fan berrings,
and clean the condensor.

Run test for awhile, see if that helped.

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..

"Silt" <madh@er.com> wrote in message
news:8lrsl1pk35a71iochoubkhqej7q7qrrhfl@4ax.com...
Hi all,

Having a problem with my central air and was hoping someone may have a
guess as to the cause. I plan on having a professional come look at
it, but would like to hear some possible causes to my problem before
someone comes out.

Here's the problem. When I turn on my AC, it starts ok and cool air
is blowing in the house, but after about 10 minutes or so the fan on
the AC unit outside the house stops spinning....yet when you are next
to the AC it still sounds like something is on still. I tested
turning off the AC...waited a bit, turned it back on...and again it
functioned correctly for a little bit then again the fan stopped
spinning.

Any "most likely" causes as to why this happens? Again, I plan on
having someone come look at it, but if it is something along the lines
of "it's most likely a bad relay"....I want to be armed with that
information before someone comes.

Thanks a ton!

Silt

..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2005-10-25, 10:21 pm

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:13:12 -0700, Silt <madh@er.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:53:52 GMT, gofish@gonefishin.net wrote:
>
>
>
>Thanks for the positive response, it's much appreciated. Nice to see
>that even though I may have posted to the wrong group, someone didn't
>mind helping.

And the XXXXXXX pulled a SWAG out of his butt-hole for you,
based on exactly ZERO information, totally worthless, and he did it so
you would think he was a big man.

Seems to have worked.

Unfortunately, it won't get your AC fixed. It will, however,
cost you a part you don't need if you follow it.

HAND.

>
>Thanks again,
>
>
>Silt

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Stormin Mormon

2005-10-25, 10:21 pm

Actually, I saw one time three or four years ago. A bad fan capacitor killed
an otherwise good compressor. I got to replace the condensing unit.

Hint to the original poster: A small problem can become a large problem if
the small problem is ignored. What coulda been a $100 service call turned
into a nice $1250 afternoon's work.

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..

"Jabs" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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GoFish,
Have you ever seen a bad capacitor...... for a good condenser fan
motor...... kill a good compressor before?

Jabs

<gofish@gonefishin.net> wrote:
>
(snip).... The capacitor isnt bad. The compressor isn't bad.

Noon-Air

2005-10-25, 11:21 pm

"Bubba" <ReMoVe likealake@iname.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:50:58 -0700, Silt <madh@er.com> wrote:
>
>
> Sounds like you need a new compressor. When the fan stops, it still
> makes a humming/buzzing noise. Its not cooling because the compressor
> is locking up. Most likely, the compressor is too expensive to replace
> so you might as well get prices on a new unit. Then you'll have a
> warranty. You might want to think about a new furnace too. Maybe even
> a new car...............a house too while you're at it.
> Bubba

Maybe he can get his insurance to pay for him a new one...or maybe
FEMA...There just has to have been lightning or a hurricane within a
thousand miles of him in the last 10 years.

TURTLE

2005-10-25, 11:21 pm

<gofish@gonefishin.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:51:37 GMT, ..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>
>
> sure it is. Its just that 90% of the subject matter is over your head and
> you're just too stupid to contribute.

This is Turtle.

Hey Watch out hitting old Paul that hard for he ain't use to taking hits like
that.

Now Paul get up off the ground for he did not hit you that hard.

TURTLE

TURTLE

2005-10-25, 11:21 pm

gofish@gonefishin.net

2005-10-25, 11:21 pm

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:36:28 GMT, "Jabs" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

>GoFish,
>Have you ever seen a bad capacitor...... for a good condenser fan
>motor...... kill a good compressor before?
>
>Jabs

Nope, cant say as I have. In that particular case, the bad cap would have to be
a dual cap. Remember, 99% of what I see is 3 phase. The OP indicated his CF
motor was cutting off after a 10 min run time or so. Bad dual cap? not likely.
remember, the compressor continues to run, according to the OP.

My response was based 100% on what the OP posted, for his particular situation.
Hell yes other scenarios exist that could result in the same symptoms the OP
posted, but my money says its the CF motor that needs to be replaced, along with
its run cap.

Whats .......interesting.......to me is that my response to the OP actually
triggered something that might resemble ON TOPIC.......if you know what I mean.

>
>
><gofish@gonefishin.net> wrote:
>(snip).... The capacitor isnt bad. The compressor isn't bad.
>

TURTLE

2005-10-26, 12:21 pm

<..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
news:igjtl1pmejkeibbvctktf9le4urmtiftk5@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:13:12 -0700, Silt <madh@er.com> wrote:
>
>
> And the XXXXXXX pulled a SWAG out of his butt-hole for you,
> based on exactly ZERO information, totally worthless, and he did it so
> you would think he was a big man.
>
> Seems to have worked.
>
> Unfortunately, it won't get your AC fixed. It will, however,
> cost you a part you don't need if you follow it.
>
> HAND.
>

This is Turtle.

Well Paul the Butt Swedging King , speaks out of anger of someone speaking
without his permission. Paul people are going to say things on the alt.hvac
without your permission , so get use to it .

TURTLE

TURTLE

2005-10-26, 12:21 pm

<gofish@gonefishin.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:36:28 GMT, "Jabs" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Nope, cant say as I have. In that particular case, the bad cap would have to
> be
> a dual cap. Remember, 99% of what I see is 3 phase. The OP indicated his CF
> motor was cutting off after a 10 min run time or so. Bad dual cap? not
> likely.
> remember, the compressor continues to run, according to the OP.
>
> My response was based 100% on what the OP posted, for his particular
> situation.
> Hell yes other scenarios exist that could result in the same symptoms the OP
> posted, but my money says its the CF motor that needs to be replaced, along
> with
> its run cap.
>
> Whats .......interesting.......to me is that my response to the OP actually
> triggered something that might resemble ON TOPIC.......if you know what I
> mean.
>

This is Turtle.

Due to the Odds , i would still have to leave the capasitor in the deal with
the 1% odds as you say.

TURTLE

TURTLE

2005-10-26, 12:21 pm

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Actually, I saw one time three or four years ago. A bad fan capacitor killed
> an otherwise good compressor.
Snip

this is Turtle.

And You did not call the Police to report it ?

TURTLE

Stormin Mormon

2005-10-26, 12:21 pm

Naah, it was during compressor season. And the capacitor had a permit. Here
in NYS, the compressors are so over stocked. They run across highways and
smash up people cars. I've seen enough cars totalled by compressors. Heck,
sometimes even if I think some capacitor is out poaching, I don't say
anything. Capacitors got to eat, too, you know. We got some of the best fed
compressors up here. Plenty good eating. Just have to drain the mineral oil,
and hang em and gut the piston out and let em cool over night.

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..

"TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Actually, I saw one time three or four years ago. A bad fan capacitor
killed
> an otherwise good compressor.
Snip

this is Turtle.

And You did not call the Police to report it ?

TURTLE

Jabs

2005-10-26, 1:21 pm

GoFish,
I was referring to a single condenser fan motor run capacitor which has
nothing to do with the compressor's run capacitor.

Jabs

<gofish@gonefishin.net> wrote:
>
> Nope, cant say as I have. In that particular case, the bad cap would have
> to be
> a dual cap. Remember, 99% of what I see is 3 phase. The OP indicated his
> CF
> motor was cutting off after a 10 min run time or so. Bad dual cap? not
> likely.
> remember, the compressor continues to run, according to the OP.
>
> My response was based 100% on what the OP posted, for his particular
> situation.
> Hell yes other scenarios exist that could result in the same symptoms the
> OP
> posted, but my money says its the CF motor that needs to be replaced,
> along with
> its run cap.
>
> Whats .......interesting.......to me is that my response to the OP
> actually
> triggered something that might resemble ON TOPIC.......if you know what I
> mean.
>
>

Carolina Breeze HVAC

2005-10-26, 4:21 pm

"TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> <..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
> news:igjtl1pmejkeibbvctktf9le4urmtiftk5@4ax.com...
>
> This is Turtle.
>
> Well Paul the Butt Swedging King , speaks out of anger of someone speaking
> without his permission. Paul people are going to say things on the
> alt.hvac without your permission , so get use to it .
>
> TURTLE
>

And you talk about respect....

Remember...we are all watching....LOL...

Jake

2005-10-26, 9:21 pm

>
>
> This is Turtle.
>
> Due to the Odds , i would still have to leave the capasitor in the deal with
> the 1% odds as you say.
>
> TURTLE
>
>

I agree with Fish on this, Folks. It's a classic thermal motor trip...
coming and going.

As Fish said... other scenarios exist.... but be honest: If you were to
walk up with one exhibiting the same symptoms, what would you think?

BTW, it wouldn't have surprised me if Fish had to the guy in response to
"the best way to replace the motor" would have been to call a repair
guy, anyhow... so don't get your shorts in a knot (-;...

Jake

gofish@gonefishin.net

2005-10-27, 12:21 am

"Jabs" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

>GoFish,
>I was referring to a single condenser fan motor run capacitor which has
>nothing to do with the compressor's run capacitor.
>
>Jabs

Well sheesh. I see your point.

No, I've never seen it firsthand myself, but can easily see how a bad CF cap
could kill a compressor.

What I see an awful lot of is toasted CF motors. Hundreds of em.

>
>
><gofish@gonefishin.net> wrote:
>

Stormin Mormon

2005-10-27, 12:21 am

Ten minutes is about right for trip off?

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..

"Jake" <jkelleyus@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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>
> This is Turtle.
>
> Due to the Odds , i would still have to leave the capasitor in the deal
with
> the 1% odds as you say.
>
> TURTLE
>
>

I agree with Fish on this, Folks. It's a classic thermal motor trip...
coming and going.

As Fish said... other scenarios exist.... but be honest: If you were to
walk up with one exhibiting the same symptoms, what would you think?

BTW, it wouldn't have surprised me if Fish had to the guy in response to
"the best way to replace the motor" would have been to call a repair
guy, anyhow... so don't get your shorts in a knot (-;...

Jake

2005-10-27, 12:21 am

gofish@gonefishin.net wrote:

> "Jabs" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Well sheesh. I see your point.
>
> No, I've never seen it firsthand myself, but can easily see how a bad CF cap
> could kill a compressor.
>
> What I see an awful lot of is toasted CF motors. Hundreds of em.

Even if the cap is bad, it's likely that the motor is bad too. Also,
even if the motor was ok before the cap failed, it more than likely
isn't ok anymore. It might run for a while, but the bearings have been
damaged by the overheating and it likely will lock up after you leave
it. I usually explain this to the customer, and the fact that the
compressor could likely fail if this happens. 99 times out of 100 they
give the go ahead to replace the motor. My honesty may cut me out of a
compressor or condenser unit replacement at times, but I sleep well.

hvacrmedic

>

gofish@gonefishin.net

2005-10-27, 12:21 am

..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:

>............................................................................. he did it so
>you would think he was a big man.

For the record oh balding pipsqueak, I'm 6-3 and weigh 250.

But I know exactly where you're coming from.

Why is it the shortest guys always have the biggest ego and self esteem
problems?

not to mention their purportedly tiny pencil dicks.........

Jake

2005-10-27, 1:21 am

Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Ten minutes is about right for trip off?
>

That would depend on a lot of things, Chris... like the condenser outlet
temp (as this is a air-over motor), the airflow, etc.

Key here is that (apparently) the motor fires off, comes to speed, and
then stops for no apparent reason.

Of course, you could have a defrost control kicking in, or some other
esoteric reason why the fan quits... but the most likely reason is
thermal overload... which equates to high load (poor airflow, plugged
condenser) or bad bearings in the fan motor, or it's weak, or the blade
is bent, or.... or.... or.....

No, ten minutes is not a benchmark.

Jake

ReRe

2005-10-27, 2:21 am

"Jake" <jkelleyus@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Ten minutes is about right for trip off?
>

That would depend on a lot of things, Chris... like the condenser outlet
temp (as this is a air-over motor), the airflow, etc.

Key here is that (apparently) the motor fires off, comes to speed, and
then stops for no apparent reason.

Of course, you could have a defrost control kicking in, or some other
esoteric reason why the fan quits... but the most likely reason is
thermal overload... which equates to high load (poor airflow, plugged
condenser) or bad bearings in the fan motor, or it's weak, or the blade
is bent, or.... or.... or.....

No, ten minutes is not a benchmark.

Jake

This is ReRe

Just stopped by to take a look a this fan problem.. It has a P70AA-118C
installed with a DOB Relay installed and set at, guess what, 10 minutes.
Wasn't a problem before the weather started cooling of because the P70 is
set at 275 with a 75 diff. Now that the temp is dropping a little the
pressure is dropping out the fan and it stays off for a while.

Ok, I give in... I was just screwing with you. But, the scenario could
happen. I suppose I'll "Plonk" myself on this one.

ReRe

TURTLE

2005-10-27, 2:21 am

"Carolina Breeze HVAC" <steve@carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote in message
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> "TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> And you talk about respect....
>
> Remember...we are all watching....LOL...
>

This is Turtle.

When you say we , do you have a mouse in your pocket ?

TURTLE

TURTLE

2005-10-27, 2:21 am

<gofish@gonefishin.net> wrote in message
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> ..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
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>
>
> For the record oh balding pipsqueak, I'm 6-3 and weigh 250.
>
> But I know exactly where you're coming from.
>
> Why is it the shortest guys always have the biggest ego and self esteem
> problems?
>
> not to mention their purportedly tiny pencil dicks.........

This is Turtle.

Hey Paul , Get up off the ground , it did not hurt that bad !

TURTLE

Bill

2005-10-27, 2:21 am

In article <GXY7f.11497$wG.4559@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
"TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> This is Turtle.
>
> When you say we , do you have a mouse in your pocket ?
>
> TURTLE

Do you think you post into a vacuum? Everybody wave at weasel.

--

A Professional is someone who does a good job even when they don't feel like it.

TURTLE

2005-10-27, 3:21 am

"Jake" <jkelleyus@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
>
> That would depend on a lot of things, Chris... like the condenser outlet temp
> (as this is a air-over motor), the airflow, etc.
>
> Key here is that (apparently) the motor fires off, comes to speed, and then
> stops for no apparent reason.
>
> Of course, you could have a defrost control kicking in, or some other esoteric
> reason why the fan quits... but the most likely reason is thermal overload...
> which equates to high load (poor airflow, plugged condenser) or bad bearings
> in the fan motor, or it's weak, or the blade is bent, or.... or.... or.....
>
> No, ten minutes is not a benchmark.
>
> Jake

This is Turtle.

The above here is probley true as you and Gofish was a saying but i still have
still leave in the 1% of the time of a capasitor being very weak or shorted
through & not to frame and the motor high amping and will cut out on high temp.
you can hook up a condenser fan motor and run it but where the capasitor is to
be , you just jump it out with a wire jumper. The motor will run at all most
full speed for a while and then cut out on high temp. this maybe nick picking
but it just seems to me as a possiblity.

Stormy , the only Benchmarks in this world is located all along the highways to
get the elevation from to tell the elevation and location of the land. They are
called BM markers.

TURTLE

TURTLE

2005-10-27, 5:21 am

"Bill" <bill@hvac.com> wrote in message
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> In article <GXY7f.11497$wG.4559@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
> "TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Do you think you post into a vacuum? Everybody wave at weasel.

This is Turtle.

i don't hear anybody else speaking up right now.

TURTLE

Oscar_Lives

2005-10-27, 9:21 am

"TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> "Jake" <jkelleyus@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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> This is Turtle.
>
> The above here is probley true as you and Gofish was a saying but i still
> have still leave in the 1% of the time of a capasitor being very weak or
> shorted through & not to frame and the motor high amping and will cut out
> on high temp. you can hook up a condenser fan motor and run it but where
> the capasitor is to be , you just jump it out with a wire jumper. The
> motor will run at all most full speed for a while and then cut out on high
> temp. this maybe nick picking but it just seems to me as a possiblity.
>
> Stormy , the only Benchmarks in this world is located all along the
> highways to get the elevation from to tell the elevation and location of
> the land. They are called BM markers.
>
> TURTLE

I thought those were sites telling you where the good places were to pull
over to take a crap. (Bowel Movement) markers?

TURTLE

2005-10-27, 12:21 pm

"Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> "TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> I thought those were sites telling you where the good places were to pull over
> to take a crap. (Bowel Movement) markers?

This is Turtle.

You know there could be something to that for they are about every 1 mile along
the high way.

TURTLE

Stormin Mormon

2005-10-27, 2:21 pm

Problem with getting old, sir. Can't make it for another mile before you got
to get out and pee. I have enough friends with that problem.

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..

"TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> I thought those were sites telling you where the good places were to pull
over
> to take a crap. (Bowel Movement) markers?

This is Turtle.

You know there could be something to that for they are about every 1 mile
along
the high way.

TURTLE

Tekkie®

2005-10-27, 10:21 pm

Stormin Mormon posted for all of us...
I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.

> Problem with getting old, sir. Can't make it for another mile before you got
> to get out and pee. I have enough friends with that problem.
>
> --
>
> Christopher A. Young
>
And I bet you do more than shake their weinie for them...
--
My boss said I was dumb and apathetic.
I said I don't know and I don't care...

Tekkie

Jake

2005-10-27, 11:21 pm

> This is ReRe
>
> Just stopped by to take a look a this fan problem.. It has a P70AA-118C
> installed with a DOB Relay installed and set at, guess what, 10 minutes.
> Wasn't a problem before the weather started cooling of because the P70 is
> set at 275 with a 75 diff. Now that the temp is dropping a little the
> pressure is dropping out the fan and it stays off for a while.
>
> Ok, I give in... I was just screwing with you. But, the scenario could
> happen. I suppose I'll "Plonk" myself on this one.
>
> ReRe
>
>

So help me out here in understanding your scenario:

A P70AA-118C is a high-head close-on-high limit.

So... the compressor takes off and, because of low ambient the head
pressure rises closes the P70AA-118C and then activates a delay-on-break
relay that locks the fan out ... until the pressure drops and the
timeout period is expired?

Why would you do that (the time.. ten minutes seems like a lot) in the
absence of other controls to be sure the other side of the equation
doesn't get out of hand?

Jake

gofish@gonefishin.net

2005-10-28, 12:21 am

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:19:36 GMT, Jake <jkelleyus@insightbb.com> wrote:

>
>
>So help me out here in understanding your scenario:
>
>A P70AA-118C is a high-head close-on-high limit.
>
>So... the compressor takes off and, because of low ambient the head
>pressure rises closes the P70AA-118C and then activates a delay-on-break
>relay that locks the fan out ... until the pressure drops and the
>timeout period is expired?
>
>Why would you do that (the time.. ten minutes seems like a lot) in the
>absence of other controls to be sure the other side of the equation
>doesn't get out of hand?
>
>Jake

Jake, I'll let ReRe give you his answer, but generally speaking the p70aa-118c
is a pressure switch that opens on rise and then closes on fall, based on the
differential setting. adjustable close point, adjustable differential. ReRe
was f*cking with us. He threw the 10 min delay-on-break into the mix to
account for the OP's 10 minute scenario.

I use the 118c on computer/phone room units, and set it up to cycle the CF fan
motor, maintaining a head of 180-185 to 225-230. It can be a real XXXXX to set
up in cooler months, as you need to occasionally kill the blower intermittantly
as well until you get things dialed in. If its a hp, you better add a bypass
relay for heat mode.

Oscar_Lives

2005-10-28, 2:21 am

"Tekkie®" <Tekkie@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Stormin Mormon posted for all of us...
> I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.
>
> And I bet you do more than shake their weinie for them...

Yeah, he wraps it up in those goofy mormon underwear and prays that a comet
will come by and take him away.

> --
> My boss said I was dumb and apathetic.
> I said I don't know and I don't care...
>
> Tekkie

Carolina Breeze HVAC

2005-10-29, 7:21 pm

"TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> "Carolina Breeze HVAC" <steve@carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote in message
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> This is Turtle.
>
> When you say we , do you have a mouse in your pocket ?
>
> TURTLE
>

Naw man....talking about the real owners and techs in here that laugh about
you behind your back in another area, and you were not invited to join in
on...

TURTLE

2005-10-29, 8:21 pm

"Carolina Breeze HVAC" <steve@carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote in message
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> "TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> Naw man....talking about the real owners and techs in here that laugh about
> you behind your back in another area, and you were not invited to join in
> on...
>

this is Turtle.

If i get them to Laughing , it makes me feel good to do so.

TURTLE

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