Heating and air conditioning - Goodman furnace won't fire.

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Goodman furnace won't fire.

diness

2005-10-25, 10:21 pm

Hey guys,

I'm having a problem with our Goodman furnace. It's not producing
heat, so I went down to look at it. It goes through it's whole
progression, but the burners never light. It does everything up till
it's normal click, at which point they normally heat up and then fire.
The gas line going to it is on, and the gas control knob on the furnace
itself is on. The hot water heater is working, so any idea what the
deal is?

Tony

Bubba

2005-10-25, 10:21 pm

..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2005-10-25, 10:21 pm

On 25 Oct 2005 17:22:09 -0700, "diness" <smyant@bethel.edu> wrote:

>Hey guys,
>
>I'm having a problem with our Goodman furnace. It's not producing
>heat, so I went down to look at it. It goes through it's whole
>progression, but the burners never light. It does everything up till
>it's normal click, at which point they normally heat up and then fire.
>The gas line going to it is on, and the gas control knob on the furnace
>itself is on. The hot water heater is working, so any idea what the
>deal is?
>
>Tony

Yeh - you're posting in the wrong group. Do it in
alt.home.repair.

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Noon-Air

2005-10-25, 11:21 pm

had any work done on the roof lately??

"diness" <smyant@bethel.edu> wrote in message
news:1130286129.794672.281230@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Hey guys,
>
> I'm having a problem with our Goodman furnace. It's not producing
> heat, so I went down to look at it. It goes through it's whole
> progression, but the burners never light. It does everything up till
> it's normal click, at which point they normally heat up and then fire.
> The gas line going to it is on, and the gas control knob on the furnace
> itself is on. The hot water heater is working, so any idea what the
> deal is?
>
> Tony
>

TURTLE

2005-10-25, 11:21 pm

"diness" <smyant@bethel.edu> wrote in message
news:1130286129.794672.281230@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Hey guys,
>
> I'm having a problem with our Goodman furnace. It's not producing
> heat, so I went down to look at it. It goes through it's whole
> progression, but the burners never light. It does everything up till
> it's normal click, at which point they normally heat up and then fire.
> The gas line going to it is on, and the gas control knob on the furnace
> itself is on. The hot water heater is working, so any idea what the
> deal is?
>
> Tony
>

This is Turtle.

Without being there to see it is hard to make a call on the part that is wrong
but i can only say it can be 1 of the 3 things.

Flame roll out switches.
Thermostat antisipator set wrong.
Bad electronic control head on the Gas Valve.

You need to call a service company to come see as to what problem it is.

TURTLE

Noon-Air

2005-10-25, 11:21 pm

"TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:HiB7f.7938$x6.3203@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>
> "diness" <smyant@bethel.edu> wrote in message
> news:1130286129.794672.281230@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
> This is Turtle.
>
> Without being there to see it is hard to make a call on the part that is
> wrong but i can only say it can be 1 of the 3 things.
>
> Flame roll out switches.
> Thermostat antisipator set wrong.
> Bad electronic control head on the Gas Valve.
>
> You need to call a service company to come see as to what problem it is.
>
> TURTLE

Then there is the proving switch....
Now that everybody is getting roofs repaired/replaced, I have been getting a
half dozen no-heat calls a day from that alone

gofish@gonefishin.net

2005-10-26, 12:21 am

On 25 Oct 2005 17:22:09 -0700, "diness" <smyant@bethel.edu> wrote:

>Hey guys,
>
>I'm having a problem with our Goodman furnace. It's not producing
>heat, so I went down to look at it. It goes through it's whole
>progression, but the burners never light. It does everything up till
>it's normal click, at which point they normally heat up and then fire.
>The gas line going to it is on, and the gas control knob on the furnace
>itself is on. The hot water heater is working, so any idea what the
>deal is?
>
>Tony

The deal is, your furnace is not producing any heat. However, the built in
safety controls are doing their job. Bring your furnace in for a FREE
inspection, and I'll tell you whats wrong, and what parts you need to purchase,
and what specialized tools you may need to calibrate those parts to your
specific conditions.

OR, call your local heating & ac company to come over for a look-see.

Cooltemp Industries

2005-10-26, 12:21 am

TURTLE wrote:
>
> Without being there to see it is hard to make a call on the part that is wrong
> but i can only say it can be 1 of the 3 things.
>
> Flame roll out switches.
> Thermostat antisipator set wrong.
> Bad electronic control head on the Gas Valve.

Cracked HSI??
Plugged exhaust??
Plugged intake??
Loose wire??
Faulty ventor??
Faulty pressure switch??
Faulty circuit board??
One of three things???
You are the absolute WORST excuse for an HVAC tech that I hae EVER seen!!
Bar none!!

TURTLE

2005-10-26, 1:21 am

"Noon-Air" <Noon-Air@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:HiB7f.7938$x6.3203@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>
> Then there is the proving switch....
> Now that everybody is getting roofs repaired/replaced, I have been getting a
> half dozen no-heat calls a day from that alone
>

This is Turtle.

The OP said that it would do everything but not open the gas valve. If the Vent
fan prover switch on the Goodman does not prove, it will not let it go to the
ignitor to fire the HSI and then stop at the Gas valve not opening. those little
Plastic Prover switch is something else but if you see the HSI fire it has been
proved to run. if the prover does not prove it will just sit there and blow the
vent fan till the cows comes home and ther HSI will not fire or the burners.

TURTLE

TURTLE

2005-10-26, 1:21 am

"Cooltemp Industries" <gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote in message
news:435EF234.7060507@sunlife.com...
>
>
> TURTLE wrote:
>
> Cracked HSI??
> Plugged exhaust??
> Plugged intake??
> Loose wire??
> Faulty ventor??
> Faulty pressure switch??
> Faulty circuit board??
> One of three things???
> You are the absolute WORST excuse for an HVAC tech that I hae EVER seen!!
> Bar none!!
>

This is Turtle.

This is the worst list of guestes that i have ever seen by a so call hvac
person.

Also you need to start discussing the hvac business and not tring to flame
respectiable answers of REAL people who own hvac business and work in the
business. You have not yet shown any qualities as to being a good hvac tech or
business owner.

Also i did not see your answer that should be one and it being a roll out switch
..

also you got something wrong here. I'm a HVAC business owner and not just some
Jerk tech you claim to be. Why don't you answer some question here ?

TURTLE

Noon-Air

2005-10-26, 1:21 am

"TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Noon-Air" <Noon-Air@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:0pCdnZSoyPPFfsPenZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> This is Turtle.
>
> The OP said that it would do everything but not open the gas valve. If the
> Vent fan prover switch on the Goodman does not prove, it will not let it
> go to the ignitor to fire the HSI and then stop at the Gas valve not
> opening. those little Plastic Prover switch is something else but if you
> see the HSI fire it has been proved to run. if the prover does not prove
> it will just sit there and blow the vent fan till the cows comes home and
> ther HSI will not fire or the burners.
>
> TURTLE

The OP never said the HSI lit up.... He said;

" It goes through it's whole[color=darkred]

It doesn't get to the "click"... the first click is the relay that energizes
and heats up the HSI.... tells me that its not proving.
I been getting a LOT of these calls over the last several days.

Noon-Air

2005-10-26, 1:21 am

"TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Cooltemp Industries" <gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote in message
> news:435EF234.7060507@sunlife.com...

probably not.... HSI will glow but the GV won't open
[color=darkred]

not hardly
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never got that far
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proving didn't get that far
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probable (best bet)
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Are you serious??
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maybe
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I doubt it
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haven't seen one in 10 years
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probably not
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Dude, your not doing so hot yourself.
[color=darkred]
> This is Turtle.
>
> This is the worst list of guestes that i have ever seen by a so call hvac
> person.
>
> Also you need to start discussing the hvac business and not tring to flame
> respectiable answers of REAL people who own hvac business and work in the
> business. You have not yet shown any qualities as to being a good hvac
> tech or business owner.
>
> Also i did not see your answer that should be one and it being a roll out
> switch .
>
> also you got something wrong here. I'm a HVAC business owner and not just
> some Jerk tech you claim to be. Why don't you answer some question here ?
>
> TURTLE
>

HoMoaner

2005-10-26, 1:21 am

"diness" <smyant@bethel.edu> wrote in message
news:1130286129.794672.281230@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Hey guys,
>
> I'm having a problem with our Goodman furnace. It's not producing
> heat, so I went down to look at it. It goes through it's whole
> progression, but the burners never light. It does everything up till
> it's normal click, at which point they normally heat up and then fire.
> The gas line going to it is on, and the gas control knob on the furnace
> itself is on. The hot water heater is working, so any idea what the
> deal is?
>
> Tony
>

Check the other gas control knob - you know, the one by the gas meter. It's
probably not on, and they usually put some kind of lock on it when they turn
that knob off. The hot water heater is working? Are you sure you just
haven't run it out of water yet? Oh, wait.... You forgot to mention that the
hot water heater runs on electricity.

Oscar_Lives

2005-10-26, 1:21 am

TURTLE

2005-10-26, 1:21 am

"Noon-Air" <Noon-Air@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:ryC7f.12415$ty1.311@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>
> The OP never said the HSI lit up.... He said;
>
> " It goes through it's whole
>
> It doesn't get to the "click"... the first click is the relay that energizes
> and heats up the HSI.... tells me that its not proving.
> I been getting a LOT of these calls over the last several days.
>

This is Turtle.

I was reading into it as the click of the gas valve power going to it to open
and not a very low click of the HSI coming on. If you say to me it does
everything but goes up to the last part where the gas burner heats up and burns.
i take it he is past the HSI and near the Gas valve opening.

TURTLE

diness

2005-10-26, 2:21 am

It's been a day and the water heater still works. The Pilot light on
it is also still lit. I can check by the gas meter I suppose, but I
would think the light wouldn't be lit. Also some people mentioned roof
work, I haven't had anything done to the roof.

Carolina Breeze HVAC

2005-10-26, 5:21 am

"diness" <smyant@bethel.edu> wrote in message
news:1130286129.794672.281230@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Hey guys,
>
> I'm having a problem with our Goodman furnace. It's not producing
> heat, so I went down to look at it. It goes through it's whole
> progression, but the burners never light. It does everything up till
> it's normal click, at which point they normally heat up and then fire.
> The gas line going to it is on, and the gas control knob on the furnace
> itself is on. The hot water heater is working, so any idea what the
> deal is?
>
> Tony
>

Yea...its broke.
Call someone that does not need a crystal ball to try to see what YOUR
problem is.

Cooltemp Industries

2005-10-26, 9:21 am

"Noon-Air" <Noon-Air@comcast.net> wrote
>
> proving didn't get that far

"
It does everything but light"acording to the poster.And you casually
brush off a faulty HSI??

>
> Are you serious??

Never had one with a leaf or other debris sucked into the burner box??

>
> I doubt it

Anything from dried out bearings preventing it from fully ramping up to
rust or a paint chip blocking the sensing port.

>
> haven't seen one in 10 years

On a Goodman?? Don't get out much, huh?
If the installer didn't trim the sensing tube from the pressure switch
on installation of an upflow, a condensate trap results. Water inside a
pressure switch does damage, nes't pas?

>
> probably not

LOL!! Amazing how you'll say anything to defend your incompetent buddy,
the Turd-le.
I just ordered a circuit board for GMN060 this morning.Why??
A plugged condensate line for the AC flooded the circuit board,
causing...wait for it...everything to work in proper sequence EXCEPT
that no 110V is being sent to the HSI.

> Dude, your not doing so hot yourself.

Dude, don't be in such a hurry to come to the aid of the moron.
You're starting to post like him.

Cooltemp Industries

2005-10-26, 9:21 am

"TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote

> Also you need to start discussing the hvac business and not tring to
> flame respectiable answers of REAL people who own hvac business and
> work in the business.

You have yet to give "respectiable answers".

>You have not yet shown any qualities as to being
> a good hvac tech or business owner.

Some points for you to ponder, Turd-le.
The one you call the "software salesman" was once your hero.
You hung on his every word, ever eager to defend him against irate
homeowners and anyone else who said a negative word about him.
You heaped praise on him, spoke of his expertise, practically gave him
online blow jobs everyday!
You longed for his praise, any post from him with your name in it gave you
a woody.
Then, one day, he opened his eyes and pegged you for the dumb hack you are,
and suddenly, he's a know-nothing "software salesman".
Funny how he went from being an expert in your eyes one day, to a salesman
the next, simply because he outed you for what you are.
If it's true what you say, that he doesn't know shit from shine-ola, then
how pathetic is it that a dumb salesman who knows nothing about HVAC can
point out so many of your mistakes.
In other,simpler words for you, someone who isn't even in the trade can
spot your shit a mile away.

Cooltemp Industries

2005-10-26, 10:21 am

"Noon-Air" <Noon-Air@comcast.net> wrote

translated Noons post "Hey,leave my Turd-le buddy alone!"

It's somewhat commendable that come to the aid of your friend, but realize
that when you stand beside him, you'll get some on you.

TURTLE

2005-10-26, 12:21 pm

"Cooltemp Industries >" <gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96FB53EACE1A2gbrodericksunlifecom@216.196.97.142...
> "TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote
>
>
>
>
> You have yet to give "respectiable answers".
>
>
>
> Some points for you to ponder, Turd-le.
> The one you call the "software salesman" was once your hero.
> You hung on his every word, ever eager to defend him against irate
> homeowners and anyone else who said a negative word about him.
> You heaped praise on him, spoke of his expertise, practically gave him
> online blow jobs everyday!
> You longed for his praise, any post from him with your name in it gave you
> a woody.
> Then, one day, he opened his eyes and pegged you for the dumb hack you are,
> and suddenly, he's a know-nothing "software salesman".
> Funny how he went from being an expert in your eyes one day, to a salesman
> the next, simply because he outed you for what you are.
> If it's true what you say, that he doesn't know shit from shine-ola, then
> how pathetic is it that a dumb salesman who knows nothing about HVAC can
> point out so many of your mistakes.
> In other,simpler words for you, someone who isn't even in the trade can
> spot your shit a mile away.
>

This is Turtle.

you say I sucked up to Paul for his great abilitys and hung on every word he
said because I must have loved him. Come On cat Shit , do you really believe i
cared about Paul with his foul mouth and screwy ways of wanting control of a 2
bit newsgroup. Earth to Cooltemper , I get a long with anybody and everybody can
have their own views of controilling the newsgroup in the future but just don't
expect me to join you in your fight for control when it takes place. Also if he
would have just left me out of it , i usely would not say a word for he would
fail anyway. Paul seen a power structure that in the future as he the head of
this group need to get rid of the Turtle for he might cause him trouble in his
Kingdom of Paul of ALT.HVAC Land. I think Michael Jackson thought the same thing
which Paul and Michael share a lot in common as to building a fairy Tale land of
each of them. Michael Jackson's dream was Neverland Valley and Paul's dream was
CatLand Valley .

2 last thing here. You must have a very up to date supplier or warehouse by
having to order a Goodman board. Every body that has Goodman equipment in the
area will have boards for them in stock like Duct tape.

The Other If you watch a person for making the smallest error in speech or
grammer. you can find everybody with a bunch of errors with enough of time. then
when a non-professional looks at a nother person out of hatred. he will see all
kinds of errors to call a stupid person with. Paul has been out of the field so
long that he can't understand what a field person would speak about and he to
understand it. I think they refer to this as a Office geek or Computor Geek. now
in Pauls case it could be a Trailor House Pussey Geek.

TURTLE

TURTLE

2005-10-26, 1:21 pm

"Cooltemp Industries >" <gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96FB546FD74ABgbrodericksunlifecom@216.196.97.142...
> "Noon-Air" <Noon-Air@comcast.net> wrote
>
>
> translated Noons post "Hey,leave my Turd-le buddy alone!"
>
> It's somewhat commendable that come to the aid of your friend, but realize
> that when you stand beside him, you'll get some on you.
>

This is Turtle.

I too would like to give you the thumbs up for defending the respect of Paul
Milligan when he gets called on being stupid and disrespectful. True friend like
you are hard to find in the low life world of trolling where the best trolls are
assholes and hate everybody. I'm sure Paul has a picture of you by his bed and
gives you a kiss every nite before he goes to bed. Now you do know billy Bob is
Pauls girl friend and you have little chance of moving in on him.

TURTLE

diness

2005-10-26, 1:21 pm

Well thanks a few of you for your help. For some reason other people
were much more interested in fighting on an internet message board.
Cooltemp Industries, I'm sure you're an amazing tech guy or whatever,
but come on... an internet message board for you brawling place?
Anyway, I called someone I know who works on furnaces so maybe he'll be
able to come take a look at it.

..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2005-10-26, 1:21 pm

On 26 Oct 2005 08:28:07 -0700, "diness" <smyant@bethel.edu> wrote:

>Well thanks a few of you for your help. For some reason other people
>were much more interested in fighting on an internet message board.

And you seem to think that all of Usenet exists as a
home-moaner help forum, so you can ignore the concept of posting IN
THE RIGHT FUCKING PLACE .

I assure you, you are mistaken.

>Cooltemp Industries, I'm sure you're an amazing tech guy or whatever,
>but come on... an internet message board for you brawling place?
>Anyway, I called someone I know who works on furnaces so maybe he'll be
>able to come take a look at it.

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TURTLE

2005-10-26, 2:21 pm

<..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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> On 26 Oct 2005 08:28:07 -0700, "diness" <smyant@bethel.edu> wrote:
>
>
> And you seem to think that all of Usenet exists as a
> home-moaner help forum, so you can ignore the concept of posting IN
> THE RIGHT FUCKING PLACE .
>
> I assure you, you are mistaken.
>

This is Turtle.

Oh MY LORD , i did not know that you was suppose to check with paul milligan to
see about where and what newsgroup Home Owners should post in. Paul Where do you
get the time to answer all 6 billion People as to what newsgroup they should
post in. man you are good if you could tell everybody where to post on the
internet.

Earth to Paul , you need to read the FAQ that you wrote a few years ago and call
it the alt.hvac newsgroup FAQ. the first 10 years of it's life there was none to
have but you just made up some. now you need to go back and read the alt.hvac
that you wrote and find in your own words that you will find that home owners
questions are very much a part of this groups intent and was to answer home
owners question.

I can't catch on to this one. First the FAQ says Home owner question are good
here and then out of the blue you state the home owners are not welcome to post
here. Which is it the can post here or they can't post here. if you still say
the Home Owners can't post here your going to have to go back and rewrite the
FAQ and try to make up another charter with a date on it more than a year old .

this way of thinking really puzzles me for i guess it must be some of that Soft
ware salesmen thinking set in motion.

TURTLE

TURTLE

2005-10-26, 2:21 pm

"diness" <smyant@bethel.edu> wrote in message
news:1130340487.845799.101000@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Well thanks a few of you for your help. For some reason other people
> were much more interested in fighting on an internet message board.
> Cooltemp Industries, I'm sure you're an amazing tech guy or whatever,
> but come on... an internet message board for you brawling place?
> Anyway, I called someone I know who works on furnaces so maybe he'll be
> able to come take a look at it.
>

Yes diness , you have stumbled on to a trolling newsgroup but has a respectiable
name on it. You might try next time alt.trolling.idiots and you may get a answer
to your furnace questions.

It would be best to call a service man to look at it than try here with the
trolls of the Year telling you what is wrong with it and maybe screw it up.

TURTLE

Cooltemp Industries

2005-10-26, 5:21 pm

"diness" <smyant@bethel.edu> wrote in news:1130340487.845799.101000
@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> For some reason other people
> were much more interested in fighting on an internet message board.

Not really. Some are trying to protect an unsuspecting public from thoses
who speak of what they know not, aka, the Turd-le.

> Cooltemp Industries, I'm sure you're an amazing tech guy or whatever

thank you, and yes, I am.
Anyway, good luck with your furnace. beware of types like Turd-le who try
so hard to be something they're not capable of being.

Cooltemp Industries

2005-10-26, 9:21 pm

TURTLE wrote:

> Earth to Paul , you need to read the FAQ that you wrote a few years ago and call
> it the alt.hvac newsgroup FAQ.

Earth to Turd Boy, I thought you said Paul didn't start this newsgroup??
Get your lies straight.

Cooltemp Industries

2005-10-26, 9:21 pm

TURTLE wrote:
> I too would like to give you the thumbs up for defending the respect of Paul
> Milligan when he gets called on being stupid and disrespectful. True friend like
> you are hard to find in the low life world of trolling where the best trolls are
> assholes and hate everybody. I'm sure Paul has a picture of you by his bed and
> gives you a kiss every nite before he goes to bed. Now you do know billy Bob is
> Pauls girl friend and you have little chance of moving in on him.

Nice try Turd Boy, but you're not fooling anyone anymore, except maybe
Nooner.
The scenario goes like this.....
Turd-le posts wrong information...
Any one of several posters catches Turd-le posting crap and calls him on
it....
Turd Boy, who has now been caught once again, calls the poster a Paul
fan, or Paul's lover, or Paul's minion, or........on and on and on...
But the truth remains unchanged, that being the fact that the Turd Boy
has been caught spouting bullshit again and his only defense, albeit
lame, is to attack the poster as being one of Paul's soldiers, trying to
"take control" of the elusive newsgroup throne!
So instead of backing up his post, like the latest one where he claims
the problem can only be one of three things, he tries to cover up his
ineptness by accusing others of picking on him.
The jig is up, Turd Boy.
You don't have the foggiest when it comes to troubleshooting...
Now bullshiting!!?? That's another story.
OK. Your turn...call me gay, or Paul's minion, or tell us how you've
been doing this for 46 years, or how you own the company, or how I have
so much hate...or it's all a big plot....
whatever...blah...blah...blah...it doesn't change the fact that you
don't know what you're doing.
You might be able to fool some homeowners, but not the techs.

gofish@gonefishin.net

2005-10-27, 1:21 am

Cooltemp Industries <gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote:

>
>
>TURTLE wrote:
>
>
>Nice try Turd Boy, but you're not fooling anyone anymore, except maybe
>Nooner.
>The scenario goes like this.....
>Turd-le posts wrong information...
>Any one of several posters catches Turd-le posting crap and calls him on
>it....
>Turd Boy, who has now been caught once again, calls the poster a Paul
>fan, or Paul's lover, or Paul's minion, or........on and on and on...
>But the truth remains unchanged, that being the fact that the Turd Boy
>has been caught spouting bullshit again and his only defense, albeit
>lame, is to attack the poster as being one of Paul's soldiers, trying to
>"take control" of the elusive newsgroup throne!
>So instead of backing up his post, like the latest one where he claims
>the problem can only be one of three things, he tries to cover up his
>ineptness by accusing others of picking on him.
>The jig is up, Turd Boy.
>You don't have the foggiest when it comes to troubleshooting...
>Now bullshiting!!?? That's another story.
>OK. Your turn...call me gay, or Paul's minion, or tell us how you've
>been doing this for 46 years, or how you own the company, or how I have
>so much hate...or it's all a big plot....
>whatever...blah...blah...blah...it doesn't change the fact that you
>don't know what you're doing.
>You might be able to fool some homeowners, but not the techs.

CoolTemp Industries huh? You're not CB's brother are you? You sure are long
winded, much like CB. Ya do know dontcha, only three PEOPLE attack Turtle:
Steve M, pjm, & bill.

But notice. As of lately, bill & pjm are pretty quiet. At the moment only CB
and you are attacking Turtle.

WTF Steve? Been over to see Al Moran lately?

Bill

2005-10-27, 1:21 am

In article <lli0m1p6on6ktk6niaollrlolrhmpvocfk@4ax.com>,
gofish@gonefishin.net wrote:

> CoolTemp Industries huh? You're not CB's brother are you? You sure are long
> winded, much like CB. Ya do know dontcha, only three PEOPLE attack Turtle:
> Steve M, pjm, & bill.

Can you name who defends his hack XXX?

> But notice. As of lately, bill & pjm are pretty quiet. At the moment only CB
> and you are attacking Turtle.

Is that a problem for you fish?

If weasel starts choking on what's he's bitten off he'll have you post
some more of his criminal shit.

--

A Professional is someone who does a good job even when they don't feel like it.

gofish@gonefishin.net

2005-10-27, 1:21 am

Cooltemp Industries wrote:

>"diness" <smyant@bethel.edu> wrote in news:1130340487.845799.101000
>@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>Not really. Some are trying to protect an unsuspecting public from thoses
>who speak of what they know not, aka, the Turd-le.

Give us names. Precisely who is "Some" ?

Here, let me help you.
Steve M, pjm, and bill.

Anybody I missed?

Who is protecting the unsuspecting public from you?

thoses
>who speak of what they know not"

TURTLE

2005-10-27, 2:21 am

<gofish@gonefishin.net> wrote in message
news:lli0m1p6on6ktk6niaollrlolrhmpvocfk@4ax.com...
> Cooltemp Industries <gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote:
>
>
> CoolTemp Industries huh? You're not CB's brother are you? You sure are long
> winded, much like CB. Ya do know dontcha, only three PEOPLE attack Turtle:
> Steve M, pjm, & bill.
>
> But notice. As of lately, bill & pjm are pretty quiet. At the moment only CB
> and you are attacking Turtle.
>
> WTF Steve? Been over to see Al Moran lately?

This is Turtle.

You know this is a very interesting post to say the least.

TURTLE

TURTLE

2005-10-27, 2:21 am

"Cooltemp Industries" <gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote in message
news:4360128F.9010402@sunlife.com...
>
>
> TURTLE wrote:
>
>
> Earth to Turd Boy, I thought you said Paul didn't start this newsgroup??
> Get your lies straight.
>

This is Turtle.

I sure hope you can figure out that the alt.hvac newsgroup is over 10+ years old
and I said Paul rewrote the FAQ for alt.hvac for it had none till last year when
he wrote some and wrote them like he wanted them. Or let me simplify it more.

10+ years ago alt.hvac group was started without Paul or and ade of him at all.
There was no charter and no FAQ at all.

The Charter that was suppose to be for another group was was doubled over for
alt.hvac for it had none but no body moved them over or even spoke about moving
it to alt.hvac. So No Charter or original FAQ at all.

Cooltemperature please stop the liing in public like this with everybody reading
what you write.

TURTLE

TURTLE

2005-10-27, 2:21 am

"Cooltemp Industries >" <gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96FB9C4C92C37gbrodericksunlifecom@216.196.97.142...
> "diness" <smyant@bethel.edu> wrote in news:1130340487.845799.101000
> @g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> Not really. Some are trying to protect an unsuspecting public from thoses
> who speak of what they know not, aka, the Turd-le.
>
>
>
> thank you, and yes, I am.
> Anyway, good luck with your furnace. beware of types like Turd-le who try
> so hard to be something they're not capable of being.

This is Turtle.

Goofy he was cutting you down with the words for a Fool !

TURTLE

Bill

2005-10-27, 2:21 am

In article <8kk0m1tts7j0is9kfnt4r0ql03v9cga254@4ax.com>,
gofish@gonefishin.net wrote:
>
> Give us names. Precisely who is "Some" ?
>
> Here, let me help you.
> Steve M, pjm, and bill.
>
> Anybody I missed?
>
> Who is protecting the unsuspecting public from you?

Got any cards to play showing where you have admonished weasel for
posting hack shit?

go fish.

--

A Professional is someone who does a good job even when they don't feel like it.

TURTLE

2005-10-27, 4:21 am

"Bill" <bill@hvac.com> wrote in message
news:ehZ7f.96809$tD4.84613@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> In article <8kk0m1tts7j0is9kfnt4r0ql03v9cga254@4ax.com>,
> gofish@gonefishin.net wrote:
>
> Got any cards to play showing where you have admonished weasel for
> posting hack shit?
>

This is Turtle.

Got any Picture of you and Paul Giving each other blow jobs ?

TURTLE

Cooltemp Industries

2005-10-27, 9:21 am

gofish@gonefishin.net wrote

> CoolTemp Industries huh? You're not CB's brother are you?

Nope. Don't know who his is, nor do I care.

>You sure are long winded, much like CB.

Maybe you should rest up between posts, if it's too taxing on you.

>Ya do know dontcha, only three PEOPLE
> attack Turtle:
> Steve M, pjm, & bill.

And me, makes four, and that's only counting those that call him out on
a regular basis, not those who have left because of his babbling
dribble.

> But notice. As of lately, bill & pjm are pretty quiet. At the moment
> only CB and you are attacking Turtle.

And so this means????

> WTF Steve? Been over to see Al Moran lately?

Not even close to knowing anything about me.
But I'm curious, honestly.
Why would anyone in the trade, who knows the difference between motor
oil and vaccuum pump oil,.... or a point-of-contact temperature sensor
as opposed to wrapping one hand around a beer can and the other around a
suction line,.... or installing the proper parts on a refrigeration
system instead of leaving out the parts you don't recognize or
understand....or knowing that a fan/limit control measures air temp that
passes by the exchanger and not the flue gas....why would anyone who
knows the difference between these things defend someone like the Turd-
le, who doesn't?
Feel sorry for him?
Then send him money to attend an HVAC course, but don't defend his
idiocy.

Oscar_Lives

2005-10-27, 9:21 am

"TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:57%7f.11775$wG.10797@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Bill" <bill@hvac.com> wrote in message
> news:ehZ7f.96809$tD4.84613@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
>
> This is Turtle.
>
> Got any Picture of you and Paul Giving each other blow jobs ?
>
> TURTLE

Got any pictures of your wife naked?

Wanna buy some?

Cooltemp Industries

2005-10-27, 9:21 am

gofish@gonefishin.net wrote

> Who is protecting the unsuspecting public from you?

Wow!
Did you stay up all night thinking up that retort?
It's almost as deep as "I know you are, but what am I?".

TURTLE

2005-10-27, 12:21 pm

"Cooltemp Industries >" <gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96FC521A5E45Agbrodericksunlifecom@216.196.97.142...
> gofish@gonefishin.net wrote
>
>
>
> Nope. Don't know who his is, nor do I care.
>
>
>
> Maybe you should rest up between posts, if it's too taxing on you.
>
>
>
>
> And me, makes four, and that's only counting those that call him out on
> a regular basis, not those who have left because of his babbling
> dribble.
>
>
>
>
>
> And so this means????
>
>
>
>
> Not even close to knowing anything about me.
> But I'm curious, honestly.
> Why would anyone in the trade, who knows the difference between motor
> oil and vaccuum pump oil,.... or a point-of-contact temperature sensor
> as opposed to wrapping one hand around a beer can and the other around a
> suction line,.... or installing the proper parts on a refrigeration
> system instead of leaving out the parts you don't recognize or
> understand....or knowing that a fan/limit control measures air temp that
> passes by the exchanger and not the flue gas....why would anyone who
> knows the difference between these things defend someone like the Turd-
> le, who doesn't?
> Feel sorry for him?
> Then send him money to attend an HVAC course, but don't defend his
> idiocy.
>

This is Turtle.

Now could you have me some Tee shirts printed up like that for you to get some
one to look at you as a nothing more than a troll.

TURTLE

TURTLE

2005-10-27, 12:21 pm

"Bill" <bill@hvac.com> wrote in message
news:uvY7f.96805$tD4.59312@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> In article <lli0m1p6on6ktk6niaollrlolrhmpvocfk@4ax.com>,
> gofish@gonefishin.net wrote:
>
>
> Can you name who defends his hack XXX?
>
>
> Is that a problem for you fish?
>
> If weasel starts choking on what's he's bitten off he'll have you post
> some more of his criminal shit.
>

This is Turtle.

OOOOOHHHHH , Got called a Troll , Sorry but some times the truth hurts. Get off
the Floor there billy Bob for that did not hurt that bad.

TURTLE

TURTLE

2005-10-27, 12:21 pm

"Cooltemp Industries >" <gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96FC53294997Agbrodericksunlifecom@216.196.97.142...
> gofish@gonefishin.net wrote
>
>
>
>
> Wow!
> Did you stay up all night thinking up that retort?
> It's almost as deep as "I know you are, but what am I?".

This is Turtle.

WOW , Your a Hack & a Troll !

that was easy , got any other hard questions.

TURTLE

TURTLE

2005-10-27, 12:21 pm

"Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:9n38f.518683$xm3.18890@attbi_s21...
>
> "TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:57%7f.11775$wG.10797@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>
>
> Got any pictures of your wife naked?
>
> Wanna buy some?

This is Turtle.

No I don't think that i do !

If you can find them.

TURTLE

Cooltemp Industries

2005-10-27, 5:21 pm

"TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote
>
> Now could you have me some Tee shirts printed up like that for you to
> get some one to look at you as a nothing more than a troll.

Typical Turd-le response.
Ignore the reason for the post (you being wrong again!), and try to deflect
the heat off yourself.
It ain't working anymore, Turd-le.

Cooltemp Industries

2005-10-27, 5:21 pm

"TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote
> WOW , Your a Hack & a Troll !
>

Ya, right.
Keep trying to deflect the heat off yourself, Turd-le.
You're still wrong, and you're still a hack.

Oscar_Lives

2005-10-28, 2:21 am

"TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:R268f.10306$_31.5468@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:9n38f.518683$xm3.18890@attbi_s21...
>
> This is Turtle.
>
> No I don't think that i do !
>
> If you can find them.
>
> TURTLE

Do you want any pictures of my wife naked?

TURTLE

2005-10-28, 3:21 am

"Cooltemp Industries >" <gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96FC9C179C531gbrodericksunlifecom@216.196.97.142...
> "TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote
>
>
> Typical Turd-le response.
> Ignore the reason for the post (you being wrong again!), and try to deflect
> the heat off yourself.
> It ain't working anymore, Turd-le.

This is Turtle.

Yes Your Bullshit is running pretty thin these days !

TURTLE

TURTLE

2005-10-28, 3:21 am

"Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:F_h8f.478624$x96.391576@attbi_s72...
>
> "TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:R268f.10306$_31.5468@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>
> Do you want any pictures of my wife naked?

this is Turtle

No Thank You but tell the Misses hell-0 for me .

TURTLE

TURTLE

2005-10-28, 3:21 am

"Cooltemp Industries >" <gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96FC9C528DD91gbrodericksunlifecom@216.196.97.142...
> "TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote
>
>
> Ya, right.
> Keep trying to deflect the heat off yourself, Turd-le.
> You're still wrong, and you're still a hack.

This is Turtle.

To define the word Expert , it is the person that is doing a job in a area of
the country and he has no one to call to ask for help . he is called a Expert !
I'm It your not !

TURTLE

Carolina Breeze HVAC

2005-10-28, 4:21 am

"Cooltemp Industries >" <gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96FC521A5E45Agbrodericksunlifecom@216.196.97.142...
> gofish@gonefishin.net wrote
>
>
>
> Nope. Don't know who his is, nor do I care.

>
>

LOL
I dont write diarys about homosexual fantasy like you do.
[color=darkred]
>
> Maybe you should rest up between posts, if it's too taxing on you.
>
>
>
>
> And me, makes four, and that's only counting those that call him out on
> a regular basis, not those who have left because of his babbling
> dribble.
>

Watch out man..your gonna have him counting toes in a sec.

>

Hes not getting all his posts then...and SOME of us are working....
[color=darkred]
>
>
>
> And so this means????
>
>
>
>
> Not even close to knowing anything about me.
> But I'm curious, honestly.
> Why would anyone in the trade, who knows the difference between motor
> oil and vaccuum pump oil,.... or a point-of-contact temperature sensor
> as opposed to wrapping one hand around a beer can and the other around a
> suction line,.... or installing the proper parts on a refrigeration
> system instead of leaving out the parts you don't recognize or
> understand....or knowing that a fan/limit control measures air temp that
> passes by the exchanger and not the flue gas....why would anyone who
> knows the difference between these things defend someone like the Turd-
> le, who doesn't?
> Feel sorry for him?
> Then send him money to attend an HVAC course, but don't defend his
> idiocy.
>

Bubba

2005-10-28, 9:21 am

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 04:42:13 GMT, "Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net>
wrote:

>
>"TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:R268f.10306$_31.5468@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>
>Do you want any pictures of my wife naked?
>

Depends. Lets see one of her first with her clothes on.
Bubba :-)

Cooltemp Industries

2005-10-28, 10:21 am

TURTLE wrote:

> To define the word Expert , it is the person that is doing a job in a area of
> the country and he has no one to call to ask for help . he is called a Expert !

Nope. He's called some guy who's going to try to fix something even
though he's not qualified and really doesn't know what he's doing.
You're it. I'm not.

TURTLE

2005-10-28, 2:21 pm

"Cooltemp Industries" <gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote in message
news:436219B7.4080605@sunlife.com...
>
>
> TURTLE wrote:
>
>
> Nope. He's called some guy who's going to try to fix something even though
> he's not qualified and really doesn't know what he's doing.
> You're it. I'm not.
>

This is Turtle.

Hey you try to be a Troll and we accept you even when your a Half XXX Troll !

TURTLE

Cooltemp Industries

2005-10-28, 2:21 pm

TURTLE wrote:

>
>
> This is Turtle.
>
> Hey you try to be a Troll and we accept you even when your a Half XXX Troll !
>
> TURTLE

Dance Turd-le, dance!!
You've been exposed again!!
Calling your detractors names isn't going to clear yours!

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