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Meeting of all ALt. Hvac people

Geoman1

2005-11-14, 10:21 am

I mentioned this years ago and some were interested at that time. Or course,
that's before we all became enemies :-)

I say we all meet someones place and have a huge get together. I vote we all
meet at Turtles joint, he can get his Cajon buddies to cook up so real good
food and entertainment. We can get everyone together and hash out face to
face why the other guy is a POS and why you are so better than them, OR we
can just bury all hatchets and have a really good time. Before we know it,
some of us will be dying off and never have the opportunity to meet those we
spend so much time together with behind a keyboard.

I'm open to other places but I personally like Turtles, plenty of space,
WARM, and an interesting area and I know Turtle will put on one heck of a
party! We can have two different parties, one for the eastern part of the
Mississippi and one for the western area or what ever. I am not going to
Marc' s place though, I can't swim that far.

Who is up to it? Lets BE CIVIL and discuss this intelligently! I'm serious
about this. Mike, you can grab a ride with Junior and I if you want.,

Rich

Noon-Air

2005-11-14, 10:21 am

"Geoman1" <Geo1> wrote in message
news:tdWdnRLZ26qiDOXeRVn-jA@adelphia.com...
>I mentioned this years ago and some were interested at that time. Or
>course, that's before we all became enemies :-)
>
> I say we all meet someones place and have a huge get together. I vote we
> all meet at Turtles joint, he can get his Cajon buddies to cook up so real
> good food and entertainment. We can get everyone together and hash out
> face to face why the other guy is a POS and why you are so better than
> them, OR we can just bury all hatchets and have a really good time. Before
> we know it, some of us will be dying off and never have the opportunity to
> meet those we spend so much time together with behind a keyboard.
>
> I'm open to other places but I personally like Turtles, plenty of space,
> WARM, and an interesting area and I know Turtle will put on one heck of a
> party! We can have two different parties, one for the eastern part of the
> Mississippi and one for the western area or what ever. I am not going to
> Marc' s place though, I can't swim that far.
>
> Who is up to it? Lets BE CIVIL and discuss this intelligently! I'm
> serious about this. Mike, you can grab a ride with Junior and I if you
> want.,
>
> Rich

Rich,
It works for me, and if Turtle is not able, I have plenty of room here.

--

Steve @ Noon-Air Heating & A/C
Noon-Air@comcast.net

If you get caught speeding....
You weren't going fast enough.
:-)

Bill

2005-11-14, 11:21 am

In article <tdWdnRLZ26qiDOXeRVn-jA@adelphia.com>, "Geoman1" <Geo1>
wrote:

> I mentioned this years ago and some were interested at that time. Or course,
> that's before we all became enemies :-)
>
> I say we all meet someones place and have a huge get together. I vote we all
> meet at Turtles joint, he can get his Cajon buddies to cook up so real good
> food and entertainment. We can get everyone together and hash out face to
> face why the other guy is a POS and why you are so better than them, OR we
> can just bury all hatchets and have a really good time. Before we know it,
> some of us will be dying off and never have the opportunity to meet those we
> spend so much time together with behind a keyboard.
>
> I'm open to other places but I personally like Turtles, plenty of space,
> WARM, and an interesting area and I know Turtle will put on one heck of a
> party! We can have two different parties, one for the eastern part of the
> Mississippi and one for the western area or what ever. I am not going to
> Marc' s place though, I can't swim that far.
>
> Who is up to it? Lets BE CIVIL and discuss this intelligently! I'm serious
> about this. Mike, you can grab a ride with Junior and I if you want.,
>
> Rich

Didn't you know about the one we had in Atlanta? The next one is Oct 2-7
2006.
http://www.rses.org/

--

A Professional is someone who does a good job even when they don't feel like it.

Geoman1

2005-11-14, 12:21 pm

"Bill" <bill@hvac.com> wrote in message
news:Md1ef.96759$Hs.19001@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> In article <tdWdnRLZ26qiDOXeRVn-jA@adelphia.com>, "Geoman1" <Geo1>
> wrote:
>
>
> Didn't you know about the one we had in Atlanta? The next one is Oct 2-7
> 2006.
> http://www.rses.org/
>

Not all areas have RSES, Bill. I'm talking about a laid back meeting with
friends, not 10,000 people I don't know.

Turtle, are you up to putting something on sometime?

Rich

B-Hate-Me

2005-11-14, 2:21 pm

Geoman1

2005-11-14, 3:21 pm

"B-Hate-Me" <BHateMe@home> wrote in message
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>
> "Geoman1" <Geo1> wrote in message
> news:tdWdnRLZ26qiDOXeRVn-jA@adelphia.com...
>
> Homosexual request denied.
>
> I bet Stormin Mormun and "HVAC fella" would go.
>
> I can see it now, peace, love and understanding. Paul, Turtle and
> Bill will have a group hug and work out all their differences.
>
> HVAC fella might even give you a reach-a-round.
>
> Afterwards all you guys can go help the dykes.

Well, I thought it was a good idea at the time, but I guess it isn't after
all.

I don't have a problem with anyone on this group except the American hater
Bartlett. I was planning on going south for vacation and I just may stop by
to see some of the guys on the way, if they wouldn't mind a Yankee stepping
on their property :-)

I was going through some old messages and came across an interesting thread
on Google. Turtle has some great advice back then which applies today for
this group. I don't know what really happened, everyone were friends and
then all this fighting came about.

I grew up in a military school outside Nashville Tn. from the 3rd to 8th
grade and then went to another boarding school until the 10th. I've seen
all the testosterone wars I ever want to see. Also, there are no winners,
everyone looses in this crap throwing process. It belittles the person
making the statements and insults and creates division between those who
aren't involved. This place has become 'The Lord of the Flies" .

There is nothing that Turtle has ever done to receive the crap he has been
given, and the same goes for Mike, Marc, and others. Too many good people
have left this group just in the last year, and I miss their input and
friendships. Education, language and cultural differences are no reasons to
fight about or insult others about. Skills can be commented on but not
ridiculed. Its ok to pick on a friend AS friends, but character
assassinations are out of line. I don't want to participate in any of it,
uplifting a person is far more productive than tearing down. Revelation is
one thing, assassinations are another. We don't expect to be treated with
disrespect if we are in public or at a meeting, why do we do it here? There
is a thing called being 'civil' and not acting like a bunch of spoiled kids
that think name calling is a way to solve problems and disagreements. At one
time, it may be hard to think back this far, but Paul and Turtle were
respectful to each other. The fact is this, the bigger man doesn't have to
belittle the other, the one with the insulting posts has become the smallest
of the group. To uplift another is a sign of maturity, I think we have been
caught up in the ego trip and have forgotten this. Lets be real here, Paul,
Turtle, Mike and other all have something to share in life, if you don't
like them then go to another group of people, its called 'killfile' and
'ignore'. the person you don't like or disrespect.

In real life, if some of the things were said to others face to face there
would have been a murder over it. This is not a maturity, its ignorance.

Wisdom is NOT knowledge. You can be smart, educated and a wealthy person and
not be wise or moral. Seek it out and find that I'm correct on this.

In closing:

Turtle, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
you forgive me?
Mike , If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
you forgive me?
Paul , If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
you forgive me?
Marc, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
you forgive me?
CBHVAC, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
you forgive me?
Plank, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
you forgive me?
Oscar, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
you forgive me?
KJpro, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
you forgive me?
Noon, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
you forgive me?
Jake , If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
you forgive me?
Vicki, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
you forgive me?
Bubba , If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
you forgive me?

Anyone I forgot? the same question stands.

Turtle, if I get by your area I will try to look you up, you too Noon,

Rich

http://groups.google.com/group/alt....06ca1787b9d72c5

..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2005-11-14, 4:21 pm

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:13:32 -0500, "Geoman1" <Geo1> wrote:

>Paul , If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
>you forgive me?

That I could forgive.

Being late with your Minion dues is another question entirely.

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Geoman1

2005-11-14, 4:21 pm

<..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:13:32 -0500, "Geoman1" <Geo1> wrote:
>
>
> That I could forgive.
>
> Being late with your Minion dues is another question entirely.

Thank you, Sir. One down..........

Rich

>
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
>
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

Noon-Air

2005-11-14, 4:21 pm

> Noon, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
> you forgive me?

Absolutely my friend.

> Turtle, if I get by your area I will try to look you up, you too Noon,

My door is open and there is beer in the fridge :-)

> Rich

--

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Noon-Air@comcast.net

If you get caught speeding....
You weren't going fast enough.
:-)

Abby Normal

2005-11-14, 4:21 pm

The AHR show is coming up again in Chicago, I am planning on going.

I went to the show in 2003 and met Noon and Lew Harriman, both great
guys.

Every couple of years I need to remind myself what cold weather is.

Geoman1 wrote:
> I mentioned this years ago and some were interested at that time. Or course,
> that's before we all became enemies :-)
>
> I say we all meet someones place and have a huge get together. I vote we all
> meet at Turtles joint, he can get his Cajon buddies to cook up so real good
> food and entertainment. We can get everyone together and hash out face to
> face why the other guy is a POS and why you are so better than them, OR we
> can just bury all hatchets and have a really good time. Before we know it,
> some of us will be dying off and never have the opportunity to meet those we
> spend so much time together with behind a keyboard.
>
> I'm open to other places but I personally like Turtles, plenty of space,
> WARM, and an interesting area and I know Turtle will put on one heck of a
> party! We can have two different parties, one for the eastern part of the
> Mississippi and one for the western area or what ever. I am not going to
> Marc' s place though, I can't swim that far.
>
> Who is up to it? Lets BE CIVIL and discuss this intelligently! I'm serious
> about this. Mike, you can grab a ride with Junior and I if you want.,
>
> Rich

Geoman1

2005-11-14, 4:21 pm

"Abby Normal" <a_bee_normal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1131998438.324810.124290@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> The AHR show is coming up again in Chicago, I am planning on going.
>
> I went to the show in 2003 and met Noon and Lew Harriman, both great
> guys.
>
> Every couple of years I need to remind myself what cold weather is.

>
>

Maybe I should go this year. Anybody setting up specific Hotels to stay at
while there? I'm glad you and Bill brought this up.

I went to one about 10 years ago and loved it, but only go to know the
manufacturer reps, no contractors. We should set something up for this event

I would fly into Midway from Cleveland, the trip from the airport costs more
than the flight!

I must look up the dates.

Rich

Abby Normal

2005-11-14, 4:21 pm

they have hotels listings on the site, try www.ashrae.org and look for
links to the AHR expo.

Victor H Plank

2005-11-14, 5:21 pm

"Geoman1" <Geo1> wrote in message
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>
..
>
will[color=darkred]
> you forgive me?

Certainly! But more than likely I would just laugh it off and offer to go a
few rounds with you.

I'll buy the first three...you buy the next ...just a quick 21 and right the
hell home

Vic

dave in Lake Villa

2005-11-14, 6:21 pm

gee guys, i'd love to drop by but Oct 2-7
2006 is already scheduled up for the annual convention of the 12 Step
Program for Potential Child Molesters

(parole release agreement required me to attend)

but thanks anyway, dave

Geoman1

2005-11-14, 6:21 pm

plonked

Bye

"dave in Lake Villa" <daveinlakevilla@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132004813.887609.232660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> gee guys, i'd love to drop by but Oct 2-7
> 2006 is already scheduled up for the annual convention of the 12 Step
> Program for Potential Child Molesters
>
> (parole release agreement required me to attend)
>
> but thanks anyway, dave
>

Jake

2005-11-14, 9:21 pm

> Jake , If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
> you forgive me?

I don't recall you ever doing that, Rich.. and it you did... I don't
take it personally. People say things all the time... in real life... on
the Usenet... wherever.

I'm not thin-skinnned (as you might have guessed) and I find many of
your posts interesting.

I'd find it very 'interesting' to meet several of you folks... and I
like the deep South... Hell, I was born there.

If you can get something arranged, and it fits in my schedule, I'm game.

Jake

2005-11-14, 10:21 pm

Geoman1 wrote:

> I mentioned this years ago and some were interested at that time. Or course,
> that's before we all became enemies :-)
>
> I say we all meet someones place and have a huge get together. I vote we all
> meet at Turtles joint, he can get his Cajon buddies to cook up so real good
> food and entertainment. We can get everyone together and hash out face to
> face why the other guy is a POS and why you are so better than them, OR we
> can just bury all hatchets and have a really good time. Before we know it,
> some of us will be dying off and never have the opportunity to meet those we
> spend so much time together with behind a keyboard.
>
> I'm open to other places but I personally like Turtles, plenty of space,
> WARM, and an interesting area and I know Turtle will put on one heck of a
> party! We can have two different parties, one for the eastern part of the
> Mississippi and one for the western area or what ever. I am not going to
> Marc' s place though, I can't swim that far.
>
> Who is up to it? Lets BE CIVIL and discuss this intelligently! I'm serious
> about this. Mike, you can grab a ride with Junior and I if you want.,
>
> Rich

As interesting as that sounds, and as much as I'd like to meet some of
you, unfortunately my wife thinks yer all nutz. She would more than
likely pitch a conniption at the very mention. I OTOH, know beyond doubt
that yer all nutz, so I can't really argue the point with her. If she
weren't biased she'd think I waz nutz too. OTOH....hmmmm.
Nice thought though

hvacrmedic

Bubba

2005-11-15, 12:21 am

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:23:58 -0600, RP <no_mail_no_spam@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>
>Geoman1 wrote:
>
>
>As interesting as that sounds, and as much as I'd like to meet some of
>you, unfortunately my wife thinks yer all nutz. She would more than
>likely pitch a conniption at the very mention. I OTOH, know beyond doubt
>that yer all nutz, so I can't really argue the point with her. If she
>weren't biased she'd think I waz nutz too. OTOH....hmmmm.
>Nice thought though

>
>hvacrmedic

So yer saying you have a case of the.............
"Im pussy whipped?" :-)
Bubba
(And the above mention has nothing to do with cats)

TURTLE

2005-11-15, 12:21 am

This is Turtle.

i like the ideal but i would have to think about it some to get it
straight to look at.

TURTLE

Bill

2005-11-15, 1:21 am

In article <Gdmdna0mZ9PNKeXeRVn-gg@adelphia.com>, "Geoman1" <Geo1>
wrote:

> Not all areas have RSES, Bill. I'm talking about a laid back meeting with
> friends, not 10,000 people I don't know.

Who do you think start chapters? My mistake. I thought you wanted to
learn something. Socializing with assholes like mikey and morons like
stormy and hacks like weasel?
That sounds like fun.

>
> Turtle, are you up to putting something on sometime?
>
> Rich

Sounds like you just want to go visit weasel. That you overlook his
portable metering device, pulling TXV guts then overcharging the system,
etc, etc ,etc.
I have the theme for the party. HVAC Hack Bash
You might want to try to make a friend or two a little closer to home.

--

A Professional is someone who does a good job even when they don't feel like it.

Bill

2005-11-15, 1:21 am

In article <v6SdnezJbuFHfOXenZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@adelphia.com>,
"Geoman1" <Geo1> wrote:

> I was going through some old messages and came across an interesting thread
> on Google. Turtle has some great advice back then which applies today for
> this group.
What's that? Some other hack shit?
I don't know what really happened, everyone were friends and
> then all this fighting came about.
Are you kidding us? Keep reading old threads and maybe you'll get up to
speed.

> There is nothing that Turtle has ever done to receive the crap he has been
> given, and the same goes for Mike, Marc, and others.

Senility setting in or selective memory?

Too many good people
> have left this group just in the last year, and I miss their input and
> friendships.

Name five.

Snipped rant. If you haven't noticed weasel is still raving.

I have no use for hacks and weasel is the poster boy. That he keeps
getting slapped for his hack shit by various people here will continue.
Weasel is an unapologetic hack.
You can support weasel all you want.

--

A Professional is someone who does a good job even when they don't feel like it.

Geoman1

2005-11-15, 3:21 am

"Bill" <bill@hvac.com> wrote in message
news:RQdef.211238$lI5.124460@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> In article <v6SdnezJbuFHfOXenZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@adelphia.com>,
> "Geoman1" <Geo1> wrote:
>
> What's that? Some other hack shit?
> I don't know what really happened, everyone were friends and
> Are you kidding us? Keep reading old threads and maybe you'll get up to
> speed.
>
>
>
> Senility setting in or selective memory?
>
>
> Too many good people
>
> Name five.
>
>
> Snipped rant. If you haven't noticed weasel is still raving.
>
> I have no use for hacks and weasel is the poster boy. That he keeps
> getting slapped for his hack shit by various people here will continue.
> Weasel is an unapologetic hack.
> You can support weasel all you want.

Bill, I'm not against you and I'm not for Turtle. Read your posts buddy, you
have to get over this fighing stuff.

As I 'ranted' if you dont like his posts then kill file him, its extremely
simple.

Bill, honestly, you are an intelligent man, your posts about the trade
reveal this. but this fighting and name calling is not winning me or anyone
over. On the other hand, most are disqusted about it, its just that simple.
You have the opportunity right now to let it dye, drop it once and for all.
Kill file him, but please stop this fighting and name calling crap, enough
is enough.

You are an asset to the group, I enjoy the posts you make when you aren't
condemning others, don't ruin this enjoyment by constant policing everyones
posts. I also enjoy Terry's posts, that is when he's not fighting with you
or Paul.

Bill, you seemed to have snipped the 'ranting' part that condemns your
attitude, and that is really sad. I was hoping that you would be man enough
to say, "OK, I've said what I wanted to say and I will kill file Turtle and
those who want to communicate with him do so, I won't jump in and blast
away." That is the mature thing to do.

How about it Bill? Are you willing to be part of the group that builds it up
or tears it down? I believe a man that has your technical knowledge will do
the right thing. Whats it going to be?

Rich

>
> --
>
>
>
> A Professional is someone who does a good job even when they don't feel
> like it.

~^Johnny^~

2005-11-15, 3:21 am

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:23:58 -0600, RP <no_mail_no_spam@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>As interesting as that sounds, and as much as I'd like to meet some of
>you, unfortunately my wife thinks yer all nutz. She would more than
>likely pitch a conniption at the very mention.

Or maybe she'd coo-coo-coo.

--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info

~^Johnny^~

2005-11-15, 4:21 am

On 14 Nov 2005 19:31:15 -0800, "TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote:

>This is Turtle.
>
>i like the ideal but i would have to think about it some to get it
>straight to look at.

It's just your old French connection you'd miss.

--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info

Bill

2005-11-15, 4:21 am

In article <suGdnVMCnIsFGuTeRVn-uA@adelphia.com>, "Geoman1" <Geo1>
wrote:

> "Bill" <bill@hvac.com> wrote in message
> news:RQdef.211238$lI5.124460@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
>
> Bill, I'm not against you and I'm not for Turtle. Read your posts buddy, you
> have to get over this fighing stuff.
>
> As I 'ranted' if you dont like his posts then kill file him, its extremely
> simple.
>
> Bill, honestly, you are an intelligent man, your posts about the trade
> reveal this. but this fighting and name calling is not winning me or anyone
> over. On the other hand, most are disqusted about it, its just that simple.
> You have the opportunity right now to let it dye, drop it once and for all.
> Kill file him, but please stop this fighting and name calling crap, enough
> is enough.
>
> You are an asset to the group, I enjoy the posts you make when you aren't
> condemning others, don't ruin this enjoyment by constant policing everyones
> posts. I also enjoy Terry's posts, that is when he's not fighting with you
> or Paul.
>
> Bill, you seemed to have snipped the 'ranting' part that condemns your
> attitude, and that is really sad. I was hoping that you would be man enough
> to say, "OK, I've said what I wanted to say and I will kill file Turtle and
> those who want to communicate with him do so, I won't jump in and blast
> away." That is the mature thing to do.
>
> How about it Bill? Are you willing to be part of the group that builds it up
> or tears it down? I believe a man that has your technical knowledge will do
> the right thing. Whats it going to be?
>
> Rich

Dude you haven't been paying attention. Look at the posts the last month.

But to answer your question. I'm gonna snap it off in weasel as often as
I feel like it.
Hack boi is your buddy not mine. You rant as you wish on what you want.
It's you who's looking to police the place.
You are for weasel or you would have condemned the hack shit he's posted.

weasel rants on even when nobody says anything to him. Nothing is gonna
change here.

--

A Professional is someone who does a good job even when they don't feel like it.

Oscar_Lives

2005-11-15, 10:21 am

It sounds like a good idea to me! I'm in.

Hell, even a testosterone dick measuring contest might be fun. I couldn't
win one, but what the hell?

I spend more time with you guys than my own family or wife. Maybe a
reach-around from HVAC Smeller would be fun too.

I ain't eating no crawdads, though. If Turtle can't accommodate my tastes,
I'll be happy to bring my smoker down and cook up some pork roast and ribs.

Hell, we could even get commemorative clothing for the event, like some long
underwear from Stormin' that says "I survived the HVAC HACK BASH 2006"

You all can come down to Missouri if Turtle is too far. I can see if
someone in Branson can give us a deal. Perhaps you'd like to tour the
Nordyne factory in Boonville, or maybe the Copeland factory in Lebanon? We
have HVAC stuff here!

How about a big trophy for the "best service van" that anyone drives in?

We even have horses, Vicki! My Sis can offer boarding at her place (if you
don't mind all her quarter horses).

"Geoman1" <Geo1> wrote in message
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>
> "B-Hate-Me" <BHateMe@home> wrote in message
> news:ddmdnbWUMrnLSeXeRVn-pg@comcast.com...
>
> Well, I thought it was a good idea at the time, but I guess it isn't after
> all.
>
> I don't have a problem with anyone on this group except the American hater
> Bartlett. I was planning on going south for vacation and I just may stop
> by to see some of the guys on the way, if they wouldn't mind a Yankee
> stepping on their property :-)
>
> I was going through some old messages and came across an interesting
> thread on Google. Turtle has some great advice back then which applies
> today for this group. I don't know what really happened, everyone were
> friends and then all this fighting came about.
>
> I grew up in a military school outside Nashville Tn. from the 3rd to 8th
> grade and then went to another boarding school until the 10th. I've seen
> all the testosterone wars I ever want to see. Also, there are no winners,
> everyone looses in this crap throwing process. It belittles the person
> making the statements and insults and creates division between those who
> aren't involved. This place has become 'The Lord of the Flies" .
>
> There is nothing that Turtle has ever done to receive the crap he has been
> given, and the same goes for Mike, Marc, and others. Too many good people
> have left this group just in the last year, and I miss their input and
> friendships. Education, language and cultural differences are no reasons
> to fight about or insult others about. Skills can be commented on but not
> ridiculed. Its ok to pick on a friend AS friends, but character
> assassinations are out of line. I don't want to participate in any of it,
> uplifting a person is far more productive than tearing down. Revelation is
> one thing, assassinations are another. We don't expect to be treated with
> disrespect if we are in public or at a meeting, why do we do it here?
> There is a thing called being 'civil' and not acting like a bunch of
> spoiled kids that think name calling is a way to solve problems and
> disagreements. At one time, it may be hard to think back this far, but
> Paul and Turtle were respectful to each other. The fact is this, the
> bigger man doesn't have to belittle the other, the one with the insulting
> posts has become the smallest of the group. To uplift another is a sign of
> maturity, I think we have been caught up in the ego trip and have
> forgotten this. Lets be real here, Paul, Turtle, Mike and other all have
> something to share in life, if you don't like them then go to another
> group of people, its called 'killfile' and 'ignore'. the person you don't
> like or disrespect.
>
> In real life, if some of the things were said to others face to face there
> would have been a murder over it. This is not a maturity, its ignorance.
>
> Wisdom is NOT knowledge. You can be smart, educated and a wealthy person
> and not be wise or moral. Seek it out and find that I'm correct on this.
>
> In closing:
>
> Turtle, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize,
> will you forgive me?
> Mike , If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
> you forgive me?
> Paul , If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize,
> will you forgive me?
> Marc, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
> you forgive me?
> CBHVAC, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize,
> will you forgive me?
> Plank, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize,
> will you forgive me?
> Oscar, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
> you forgive me?
> KJpro, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize,
> will you forgive me?
> Noon, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
> you forgive me?
> Jake , If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
> you forgive me?
> Vicki, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
> you forgive me?
> Bubba , If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize,
> will you forgive me?
>
> Anyone I forgot? the same question stands.
>
> Turtle, if I get by your area I will try to look you up, you too Noon,
>
> Rich
>
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt....06ca1787b9d72c5
>
>

Oscar_Lives

2005-11-15, 10:21 am

BTW: You don't owe me an apology. I owe you guys (and gal) one for putting
up with my crap.

Paul, I'll try to get my minion dues paid up. You know, its been hard
lately...

"Geoman1" <Geo1> wrote in message
news:v6SdnezJbuFHfOXenZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@adelphia.com...
>
> "B-Hate-Me" <BHateMe@home> wrote in message
> news:ddmdnbWUMrnLSeXeRVn-pg@comcast.com...
>
> Well, I thought it was a good idea at the time, but I guess it isn't after
> all.
>
> I don't have a problem with anyone on this group except the American hater
> Bartlett. I was planning on going south for vacation and I just may stop
> by to see some of the guys on the way, if they wouldn't mind a Yankee
> stepping on their property :-)
>
> I was going through some old messages and came across an interesting
> thread on Google. Turtle has some great advice back then which applies
> today for this group. I don't know what really happened, everyone were
> friends and then all this fighting came about.
>
> I grew up in a military school outside Nashville Tn. from the 3rd to 8th
> grade and then went to another boarding school until the 10th. I've seen
> all the testosterone wars I ever want to see. Also, there are no winners,
> everyone looses in this crap throwing process. It belittles the person
> making the statements and insults and creates division between those who
> aren't involved. This place has become 'The Lord of the Flies" .
>
> There is nothing that Turtle has ever done to receive the crap he has been
> given, and the same goes for Mike, Marc, and others. Too many good people
> have left this group just in the last year, and I miss their input and
> friendships. Education, language and cultural differences are no reasons
> to fight about or insult others about. Skills can be commented on but not
> ridiculed. Its ok to pick on a friend AS friends, but character
> assassinations are out of line. I don't want to participate in any of it,
> uplifting a person is far more productive than tearing down. Revelation is
> one thing, assassinations are another. We don't expect to be treated with
> disrespect if we are in public or at a meeting, why do we do it here?
> There is a thing called being 'civil' and not acting like a bunch of
> spoiled kids that think name calling is a way to solve problems and
> disagreements. At one time, it may be hard to think back this far, but
> Paul and Turtle were respectful to each other. The fact is this, the
> bigger man doesn't have to belittle the other, the one with the insulting
> posts has become the smallest of the group. To uplift another is a sign of
> maturity, I think we have been caught up in the ego trip and have
> forgotten this. Lets be real here, Paul, Turtle, Mike and other all have
> something to share in life, if you don't like them then go to another
> group of people, its called 'killfile' and 'ignore'. the person you don't
> like or disrespect.
>
> In real life, if some of the things were said to others face to face there
> would have been a murder over it. This is not a maturity, its ignorance.
>
> Wisdom is NOT knowledge. You can be smart, educated and a wealthy person
> and not be wise or moral. Seek it out and find that I'm correct on this.
>
> In closing:
>
> Turtle, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize,
> will you forgive me?
> Mike , If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
> you forgive me?
> Paul , If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize,
> will you forgive me?
> Marc, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
> you forgive me?
> CBHVAC, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize,
> will you forgive me?
> Plank, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize,
> will you forgive me?
> Oscar, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
> you forgive me?
> KJpro, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize,
> will you forgive me?
> Noon, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
> you forgive me?
> Jake , If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
> you forgive me?
> Vicki, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize, will
> you forgive me?
> Bubba , If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize,
> will you forgive me?
>
> Anyone I forgot? the same question stands.
>
> Turtle, if I get by your area I will try to look you up, you too Noon,
>
> Rich
>
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt....06ca1787b9d72c5
>
>

..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2005-11-15, 10:21 am

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:44:57 GMT, "Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net>
wrote:

>BTW: You don't owe me an apology. I owe you guys (and gal) one for putting
>up with my crap.
>
>Paul, I'll try to get my minion dues paid up. You know, its been hard
>lately...

No, but hum a few bars and I'll fake it.

Considering the hopes you just expressed in another post for
the Annual Meeting, I'm gonna put on gloves before I touch your money.

>
>
>
>"Geoman1" <Geo1> wrote in message
>news:v6SdnezJbuFHfOXenZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@adelphia.com...
>

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TURTLE

2005-11-15, 12:21 pm

This is Turtle.

Always check with PAPA before taking on a contract.

TURTLE

Marc O'Brien

2005-11-15, 5:21 pm

Let me know via my website, or something like that as I don't frequent here,
when and I shall do my best to come along.

"Geoman1" <Geo1> wrote in message
news:tdWdnRLZ26qiDOXeRVn-jA@adelphia.com...
>I mentioned this years ago and some were interested at that time. Or
>course, that's before we all became enemies :-)
>
> I say we all meet someones place and have a huge get together. I vote we
> all meet at Turtles joint, he can get his Cajon buddies to cook up so real
> good food and entertainment. We can get everyone together and hash out
> face to face why the other guy is a POS and why you are so better than
> them, OR we can just bury all hatchets and have a really good time. Before
> we know it, some of us will be dying off and never have the opportunity to
> meet those we spend so much time together with behind a keyboard.
>
> I'm open to other places but I personally like Turtles, plenty of space,
> WARM, and an interesting area and I know Turtle will put on one heck of a
> party! We can have two different parties, one for the eastern part of the
> Mississippi and one for the western area or what ever. I am not going to
> Marc' s place though, I can't swim that far.
>
> Who is up to it? Lets BE CIVIL and discuss this intelligently! I'm
> serious about this. Mike, you can grab a ride with Junior and I if you
> want.,
>
> Rich
>
>

Geoman1

2005-11-15, 5:21 pm

"Marc O'Brien" <genius@fridgetechs.com> wrote in message
news:dldh8r$oiu$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> Let me know via my website, or something like that as I don't frequent
> here, when and I shall do my best to come along.

Now that would be cool!!!

After thinking what Bill said, he makes a lot of sense. Ashrae is around the
corner, we could all meet at a pub in the windy city and meet everyone and
enjoy the show and sights. I've been to Chicago about four times and I must
say, I love the downtown area, if you've never seen it your missing out big
time.

Bill, I'm sorry, I thought your idea wasn't that good, but now it seems to
be the wisest suggestion to come along.

The show is on January 23-25 this year. AND, South West Airlines tickets are
cheap right now, they have a sale going on.

>
>
> "Geoman1" <Geo1> wrote in message
> news:tdWdnRLZ26qiDOXeRVn-jA@adelphia.com...
>
>

Power's Mechanical

2005-11-16, 1:21 am

Hell, we could even get commemorative clothing for the event, like "I
survived the HVAC HACK BASH 2006"

xxxx

lol you owe me a keyboard on that one Oscar!

kjpro

2005-11-16, 2:21 am

> KJpro, If I said something to you that is disrespectful, I apologize,
will
> you forgive me?

Was we to reply in order? :-)

No problems here...

kjpro

Oscar_Lives

2005-11-16, 8:21 pm

"Power's Mechanical" <pusher100@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132114640.751197.108280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Hell, we could even get commemorative clothing for the event, like "I
> survived the HVAC HACK BASH 2006"
>
> xxxx
>
> lol you owe me a keyboard on that one Oscar!
>

Talk to Paul. I have MKLC (Minion's Keyboard Liability Coverage) through
the Minion Benefits Corporation.

Jake

2005-11-16, 8:21 pm

Oscar_Lives wrote:
> "Power's Mechanical" <pusher100@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1132114640.751197.108280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> Talk to Paul. I have MKLC (Minion's Keyboard Liability Coverage) through
> the Minion Benefits Corporation.
>
>

Does that cover laptop keyboards or not? The F, U, C, K, Y, and O keys
don't work on mine anymore for some reason.... and I just keep getting
the run-around from those people....

Somebody named "Minny" keeps answering the phone there... and I hear
bottles clanking around in the background. The whole deal is beginning
to worry me some.

Jake

Oscar_Lives

2005-11-16, 8:21 pm

"Jake" <jkelleyus@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:DwPef.336875$084.96134@attbi_s22...
> Oscar_Lives wrote:
>
> Does that cover laptop keyboards or not? The F, U, C, K, Y, and O keys
> don't work on mine anymore for some reason.... and I just keep getting the
> run-around from those people....
>
> Somebody named "Minny" keeps answering the phone there... and I hear
> bottles clanking around in the background. The whole deal is beginning to
> worry me some.
>
> Jake

"Minny" aint really a mini, if you know what I mean...

Call Executive Services and give them the priority number 69-666-69 and you
will get an instant response.

So far, MBC has been a good company to do business with. The only issue I
have is I don't know why they put a raisin in every letter they send me.

..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2005-11-17, 12:21 am

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:52:26 GMT, "Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net>
wrote:

>
>"Jake" <jkelleyus@insightbb.com> wrote in message
>news:DwPef.336875$084.96134@attbi_s22...
>
>"Minny" aint really a mini, if you know what I mean...
>
>Call Executive Services and give them the priority number 69-666-69 and you
>will get an instant response.
>
>So far, MBC has been a good company to do business with. The only issue I
>have is I don't know why they put a raisin in every letter they send me.
>

Old habits die hard. So do old hamsters. And those ain't
raisins.

--

Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!

http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/

Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

Oscar_Lives

2005-11-17, 12:21 am

<..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
news:jgtnn1ho6citmkkini3tbek5m3ct05pnrb@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:52:26 GMT, "Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> Old habits die hard. So do old hamsters. And those ain't
> raisins.
>

Whatever they are, they taste like SHIT.

>
> --
>
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
>
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2005-11-17, 12:21 am

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:45:39 GMT, Jake <jkelleyus@insightbb.com>
wrote:

>Oscar_Lives wrote:
>
>Does that cover laptop keyboards or not?

Yes, it certainly does.

Just send your laptop computers here, and the keyboards will
be taken care of promptly.

>The F, U, C, K, Y, and O keys
>don't work on mine anymore for some reason.... and I just keep getting
>the run-around from those people....
>
>Somebody named "Minny"

Please use her correct name, Mrs. Moocher.

> keeps answering the phone there... and I hear
>bottles clanking around in the background. The whole deal is beginning
>to worry me some.
>
>Jake

--

Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!

http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/

Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

Marc O'Brien

2005-11-17, 7:21 pm

"Geoman1" <Geo1> wrote in message
news:x7GdnRdMF4pu0ufenZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@adelphia.com...
>
> "Marc O'Brien" <genius@fridgetechs.com> wrote in message
> news:dldh8r$oiu$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>
> Now that would be cool!!!
>
> After thinking what Bill said, he makes a lot of sense. Ashrae is around
> the corner, we could all meet at a pub in the windy city and meet everyone
> and enjoy the show and sights. I've been to Chicago about four times and I
> must say, I love the downtown area, if you've never seen it your missing
> out big time.
>
> Bill, I'm sorry, I thought your idea wasn't that good, but now it seems to
> be the wisest suggestion to come along.
>
> The show is on January 23-25 this year. AND, South West Airlines tickets
> are cheap right now, they have a sale going on.

23-25 January 2006? Sounds do-able.

I was going to visit Florida this month for some surfing because all the UK
beaches are closed to surfers for the winter till March. However, I have an
injured wrist. I thought there was no harm in pushing my bench press up to
140kg but during a couple weeks of that my right wrist started to give in.
It would be a wasted surfing trip going one handed. But a January meet
sounds good.

Stormin Mormon

2005-11-17, 8:21 pm

Hmm. Wonder if they have a Mormonfest that weekend? It's kinda like Oktober
fest, but they serve caffeine free diet coke. And we all wear shorts and
suspenders, and pretend we're drunk out of our minds. As a brass band and
big tuba play. Mormons have lots of kids, so maybe might not be a good place
for potential child molestors. Unless you like small children in shorts and
suspenders, acting drunken on caffeine free diet coke.

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..

"dave in Lake Villa" <daveinlakevilla@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132004813.887609.232660@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
gee guys, i'd love to drop by but Oct 2-7
2006 is already scheduled up for the annual convention of the 12 Step
Program for Potential Child Molesters

(parole release agreement required me to attend)

but thanks anyway, dave

Abby Normal

2005-11-23, 11:21 pm

My days of repping 3 plates aside are long behind me now.

Tore a shoulder muscle, just machine weights now.

I am looking into flights and hotels for Chicago, registered for the
show a while ago.

Marc O'Brien wrote:
> "Geoman1" <Geo1> wrote in message
> news:x7GdnRdMF4pu0ufenZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@adelphia.com...
>
> 23-25 January 2006? Sounds do-able.
>
> I was going to visit Florida this month for some surfing because all the UK
> beaches are closed to surfers for the winter till March. However, I have an
> injured wrist. I thought there was no harm in pushing my bench press up to
> 140kg but during a couple weeks of that my right wrist started to give in.
> It would be a wasted surfing trip going one handed. But a January meet
> sounds good.

Cooltemp Industries

2005-11-24, 9:21 am

"Abby Normal" <a_bee_normal@yahoo.com> wrote

> My days of repping 3 plates aside are long behind me now.
>
> Tore a shoulder muscle, just machine weights now.

Boy do I hear ya!
I'm down to two plates aside for the same reason.
We're talking dumb-bells for curls, right?

Marc O'Brien

2005-11-24, 7:21 pm

"Abby Normal" <a_bee_normal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1132800855.891986.197510@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> My days of repping 3 plates aside are long behind me now.

Mine's a small village gym. On the free weights we only have 4 of the 20kg
plates and four of the 10kg plates with the bar being the usual 20kg so for
me it's four plates a side, 2 x 20 + 2 * 10.
Been doing 2 sets of 6 reps with 140kg, 2 sets of 8reps with 130kg and then
4 sets of 16reps with 100kg. Though my wrist has improved now I still wake
up with aching shoulder joints (it feels like the sockets) so I think that
is as heavy as I care to go.

> Tore a shoulder muscle, just machine weights now.

We all tend to neglect shoulders in the gym. I hadn't done proper weights
training for 18 years before July and this time I decided not skip my
shoulders like I used to.

Curling 70kg and overhead tricep extension with 100kg.
I weigh 110kg ( Lost 8kg since July) but do tricep dips with 50kg stapped to
my waist.

Getting back into shape nice and fast, looking to lose another 10kg by end
of March.

> I am looking into flights and hotels for Chicago, registered for the
> show a while ago.

I will look to see if I can get organised mid next week.

> Marc O'Brien wrote:
>

Marc O'Brien

2005-11-24, 7:21 pm

"Cooltemp Industries >" <gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote in message
news:Xns971851D9EEC71gbrodericksunlifecom@216.196.97.142...
> "Abby Normal" <a_bee_normal@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>
>
>
> Boy do I hear ya!
> I'm down to two plates aside for the same reason.
> We're talking dumb-bells for curls, right?

Curls are for girls, triceps are what count.

Tekkie®

2005-11-28, 11:21 pm

Marc O'Brien posted for all of us...
I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.

>
> "Cooltemp Industries >" <gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns971851D9EEC71gbrodericksunlifecom@216.196.97.142...
>
> Curls are for girls, triceps are what count.
>
>
>
Ya know, I get a GREAT workout just working my schlong into position for a
whiz.
--
My boss said I was dumb and apathetic.
I said I don't know and I don't care...

Tekkie

Oscar_Lives

2005-11-28, 11:21 pm

"Tekkie®" <Tekkie@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Marc O'Brien posted for all of us...
> I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.
>
> Ya know, I get a GREAT workout just working my schlong into position for a
> whiz.

..........

no, I can't do it. Not this one.....

> --
> My boss said I was dumb and apathetic.
> I said I don't know and I don't care...
>
> Tekkie

Marc O'Brien

2005-11-29, 7:21 am

Tekkie®

2005-11-30, 10:21 pm

Oscar_Lives posted for all of us...
I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.=20

>=20
> "Tekkie=AE" <Tekkie@comcast.net> wrote in message=20
> news:27-dnQyIT_r2IRbenZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
r a[color=darkred]
>=20
> .........
>=20
> no, I can't do it. Not this one.....
>=20
>=20
AWWWW go ahead...
--=20
My boss said I was dumb and apathetic.
I said I don't know and I don't care...

Tekkie

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