Heating and air conditioning - Furnace creates a vacuum in the house.

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Furnace creates a vacuum in the house.

Terskac

2005-11-20, 11:21 am

When my furnace is running it creates a strong vacuum in my house so
cold air rushes in through my
dryer vent. This causes my laundry room to get very cold. I also feel a
strong draft going down the basement steps toward the furnace.

I sealed off the dryer vent and now the cold air is coming in through
my 3 bathroom fan vents.

The house is 20 years old with forced air natural gas heat.

Could my cold air return ducts be blocked? There is a cold air return
duct directly across the basement steps and the air seems to just go
down the steps instead of trough the cold air return.

WHy does the furnace create this vacuum? Is too much air going up the
exhaust pipe?

..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2005-11-20, 11:21 am

On 20 Nov 2005 06:27:56 -0800, "Terskac" <helic@comcast.net> wrote:

Get it serviced.

And post in alt.home.repair, not here

>When my furnace is running it creates a strong vacuum in my house so
>cold air rushes in through my
>dryer vent. This causes my laundry room to get very cold. I also feel a
>strong draft going down the basement steps toward the furnace.
>
>I sealed off the dryer vent and now the cold air is coming in through
>my 3 bathroom fan vents.
>
>The house is 20 years old with forced air natural gas heat.
>
>Could my cold air return ducts be blocked? There is a cold air return
>duct directly across the basement steps and the air seems to just go
>down the steps instead of trough the cold air return.
>
>WHy does the furnace create this vacuum? Is too much air going up the
>exhaust pipe?

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Terskac

2005-11-20, 11:21 am

I have had two companies look at it and both techs just shrugged.

Is this not heating venting and air conditioning?

..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2005-11-20, 12:21 pm

On 20 Nov 2005 07:10:09 -0800, "Terskac" <helic@comcast.net> wrote:

>I have had two companies look at it and both techs just shrugged.
>
>Is this not heating venting and air conditioning?

This group is for people in the trade, not homeowners, DIY'rs,
etc. alt.home.repair is the correct group for you.

You need another company to look at it, apparently you got
incompetents the first few times. Any decent tech will be able to A )
see if there's a problem, and B ) explain it to you clearly and
sensibly, either way.

BTW, it sounds like you have some ductwork either broken or
clogged. Get it checked. You have a potentially very dangerous
situation. make sure you have working CO detectors.

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Bubba

2005-11-20, 12:21 pm

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:22:39 GMT, ..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:

>On 20 Nov 2005 07:10:09 -0800, "Terskac" <helic@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> This group is for people in the trade, not homeowners, DIY'rs,
>etc. alt.home.repair is the correct group for you.
>
> You need another company to look at it, apparently you got
>incompetents the first few times. Any decent tech will be able to A )
>see if there's a problem, and B ) explain it to you clearly and
>sensibly, either way.
>
> BTW, it sounds like you have some ductwork either broken or
>clogged. Get it checked. You have a potentially very dangerous
>situation. make sure you have working CO detectors.
>

Sure, spoil my fun. Just when I was about to cure him with another
round of ductbooster fans. You've just got to join the Sheetmetal
Ductboosters Alliance of America. It will all become very clear then.
:-)
Bubba

B-Hate-Me

2005-11-20, 12:21 pm

<..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
news:n051o1hqrs2278u0m78fre2qh4hltdijk2@4ax.com...
> This group is for people in the trade, not homeowners, DIY'rs,
> etc. alt.home.repair is the correct group for you.
>
> You need another company to look at it, apparently you got
> incompetents the first few times. Any decent tech will be able to A )
> see if there's a problem, and B ) explain it to you clearly and
> sensibly, either way.
>
> BTW, it sounds like you have some ductwork either broken or
> clogged. Get it checked. You have a potentially very dangerous
> situation. make sure you have working CO detectors.

Who is this fraud posing as Paul?

TURTLE

2005-11-20, 1:21 pm

This is Turtle.

I think one of the pusseys has taken over and Paul is on vacation.

TURTLE

Steve Scott

2005-11-20, 1:21 pm

You need to find a contractor that can test your duct system. You may
ask them if they do air balancing. Someone that does that can track
down your problem. You could check at
www.nationalcomfortinstitute.com They certify contractors in air
balancing and may be able to direct you to someone in your area.

On 20 Nov 2005 06:27:56 -0800, "Terskac" <helic@comcast.net> wrote:

>When my furnace is running it creates a strong vacuum in my house so
>cold air rushes in through my
>dryer vent. This causes my laundry room to get very cold. I also feel a
>strong draft going down the basement steps toward the furnace.
>
>I sealed off the dryer vent and now the cold air is coming in through
>my 3 bathroom fan vents.
>
>The house is 20 years old with forced air natural gas heat.
>
>Could my cold air return ducts be blocked? There is a cold air return
>duct directly across the basement steps and the air seems to just go
>down the steps instead of trough the cold air return.
>
>WHy does the furnace create this vacuum? Is too much air going up the
>exhaust pipe?

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my name.

TURTLE

2005-11-20, 1:21 pm

This is Turtle.

first i can't see it from here but here is a guess.

You have to have a Air Discharge duct leak somewhere. this is the air
leaving the furnace and traveling to the discharge registers. If you
had a bad leak , you would have a vacuum on the house in this
condition.

If you had a blocked return line or blocking of the air returning to
the furnace ,you would have a pressure on the house and not a vacuum.

This is a guess and others opinions may very.

TURTLE

..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2005-11-20, 1:21 pm

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:15:18 -0500, "B-Hate-Me" <BHateMe@home> wrote:

>
><..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
>news:n051o1hqrs2278u0m78fre2qh4hltdijk2@4ax.com...
>
>Who is this fraud posing as Paul?
>

Sorry, I was half asleep still :-)

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wburger@excite.com

2005-11-20, 5:21 pm

You need to make sure that there is enough air in the furnace room for
proper combustion. If not then you will experience a negative draft
when the burner comes on.
Make sure that the furnace room is not too tight make an airvent to the
outside and then close off that room

CBHVAC

2005-11-20, 6:21 pm

<wburger@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1132520350.976342.132560@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> You need to make sure that there is enough air in the furnace room for
> proper combustion. If not then you will experience a negative draft
> when the burner comes on.
> Make sure that the furnace room is not too tight make an airvent to the
> outside and then close off that room
>

Any properly installed unit will have combustion air to the unit....

Most of the time, this suggestion above would be mute....particularly due to
the larger volume of air that the OP is talking about..this would lead one
to think, since no one can see it from here, that supply side of the
ductwork has an issue.

Stormin Mormon

2005-11-21, 12:21 am

Sounds like the furnace needs an air intake for the combustion air. A HVAC
tech oughta be able to cut a hole in the side wall and run a bit of flex
tubing from the side wall to the furnace, so it will have air to burn (and
send up the chimney).

Air going up the chimney has to be replaced some how.

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..

"Terskac" <helic@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1132496876.135801.66450@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
When my furnace is running it creates a strong vacuum in my house so
cold air rushes in through my
dryer vent. This causes my laundry room to get very cold. I also feel a
strong draft going down the basement steps toward the furnace.

I sealed off the dryer vent and now the cold air is coming in through
my 3 bathroom fan vents.

The house is 20 years old with forced air natural gas heat.

Could my cold air return ducts be blocked? There is a cold air return
duct directly across the basement steps and the air seems to just go
down the steps instead of trough the cold air return.

WHy does the furnace create this vacuum? Is too much air going up the
exhaust pipe?

Stormin Mormon

2005-11-21, 12:21 am

Yep, it's a heating and AC problem. You need some air intake for the burners
in the furnace.

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..

"Terskac" <helic@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1132499409.814788.259000@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I have had two companies look at it and both techs just shrugged.

Is this not heating venting and air conditioning?

Stormin Mormon

2005-11-21, 12:21 am

Hey, Turtle: It's sucking in outside air. That means it's trying to replace
air that's going out of the house some where else.

A leaky supply air duct would not suck air in the dryer vent (it would just
blow air some where else in the house, that would come back the return).

A clogged return would create a suction inside the blower cabinet. Not
sucking air into the dryer vent.

You been working too hard, sir?

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..

"TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132505651.977172.151820@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
This is Turtle.

first i can't see it from here but here is a guess.

You have to have a Air Discharge duct leak somewhere. this is the air
leaving the furnace and traveling to the discharge registers. If you
had a bad leak , you would have a vacuum on the house in this
condition.

If you had a blocked return line or blocking of the air returning to
the furnace ,you would have a pressure on the house and not a vacuum.

This is a guess and others opinions may very.

TURTLE

Stormin Mormon

2005-11-21, 12:21 am

First the dryer vent, and then the bathroom vents? Whole house is probably
tight as a two liter soda pop bottle dipped ten times in epoxy resin.

I'm with you about making a vent to the outside.

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..

<wburger@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1132520350.976342.132560@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
You need to make sure that there is enough air in the furnace room for
proper combustion. If not then you will experience a negative draft
when the burner comes on.
Make sure that the furnace room is not too tight make an airvent to the
outside and then close off that room

..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2005-11-21, 12:21 am

On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 03:35:43 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hey, Turtle: It's sucking in outside air. That means it's trying to replace
>air that's going out of the house some where else.
>
>A leaky supply air duct would not suck air in the dryer vent (it would just
>blow air some where else in the house, that would come back the return).
>
>A clogged return would create a suction inside the blower cabinet. Not
>sucking air into the dryer vent.
>
>You been working too hard, sir?

My god !

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2005-11-21, 12:21 am

..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2005-11-21, 1:21 am

On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 03:35:44 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:

>First the dryer vent, and then the bathroom vents? Whole house is probably
>tight as a two liter soda pop bottle dipped ten times in epoxy resin.
>
>I'm with you about making a vent to the outside.

Oh, good fucking idea, stormy.

You ought to go tell your local board about that, recommend
they put it in code or something.

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2005-11-21, 1:21 am

"Terskac" <helic@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1132496876.135801.66450@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> When my furnace is running it creates a strong vacuum in my house so
> cold air rushes in through my
> dryer vent. This causes my laundry room to get very cold. I also feel a
> strong draft going down the basement steps toward the furnace.
>
> I sealed off the dryer vent and now the cold air is coming in through
> my 3 bathroom fan vents.
>
> The house is 20 years old with forced air natural gas heat.
>
> Could my cold air return ducts be blocked? There is a cold air return
> duct directly across the basement steps and the air seems to just go
> down the steps instead of trough the cold air return.
>
> WHy does the furnace create this vacuum? Is too much air going up the
> exhaust pipe?

I don't think HO questions should be answered in this NG, however, due to the
posts by stormin mormon I need to warn you he knows not of what he speaks. You have
the correct answer, have a tech check it again and DO NOT mess with the combustion
air supply to the furnace. If there is a problem there, it will need a tech to make
sure it is safe to operate. It is likely that you have a problem in the supply air
side of your duct work but we can not see it from here...

>

Bubba

2005-11-21, 9:21 am

On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 04:10:20 GMT, ..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 03:35:44 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
><cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Oh, good fucking idea, stormy.
>
> You ought to go tell your local board about that, recommend
>they put it in code or something.

I think Stormy needs to be dipped in epoxy resin 10 times then set on
a mantle somewhere.
Bubba

Cooltemp Industries

2005-11-21, 10:21 am

"Terskac" <helic@comcast.net> wrote in news:1132496876.135801.66450
@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> When my furnace is running it creates a strong vacuum in my house so
> cold air rushes in through my
> dryer vent. This causes my laundry room to get very cold. I also feel a
> strong draft going down the basement steps toward the furnace.

Just a guess here, but look at the front of your "furnace".....does it say
"Hoover" anywhere?

Cooltemp Industries

2005-11-21, 10:21 am

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote

> Sounds like the furnace needs an air intake for the combustion air. A
> HVAC tech oughta be able to cut a hole in the side wall and run a bit
> of flex tubing from the side wall to the furnace, so it will have air
> to burn (and send up the chimney).
>
> Air going up the chimney has to be replaced some how.

WOW!! This is BRILLIANT thinking on your part!
Lets give this idea of yours some thought.
Let's see now...this "flex tubing from the side wall to the furnace"....
let's call this a combustion air intake, for lack of a better name...
and how about we size the appliances according to their inputs, maybe 1
square inch of air intake per 1000 btu's?? Just a guess on my part.
And hey, how about we locate the discharge of this new-fangled "combustion
air intake" within 12 inches vertically and 24 inches horizontally of the
appliance with the largest input??
And here's another idea...how about we put a screen on the outside of this
vent so no bugs or mice get in, but it can't be too restrictive though, so
I'm thinking maybe a minimum of 1/4" openings in the screen??
And we'd better give some consideration to sucking exhaust fumes back into
the house, so I'd say, I mean just off the top of my head, that we locate
this vent no closer than 12 inches horizontally from any vent connected to
an appliance up to 100,000 btu's or 36 inches away from one connected to an
appliance higher than 100,000 btu's.
And maybe we'd better keep it away from any meter regs, just in case it
vents. I'd say, oh I don't know, how about 36" horizontally from a 15 foot
vertical center line of any reg??
And maybe we should do like some others said, and notify our local
authourity and let them in on this revolutionary idea of ours??

CBHVAC

2005-11-21, 1:21 pm

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:jgbgf.11037$JQ.11027@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Hey, Turtle: It's sucking in outside air. That means it's trying to
> replace
> air that's going out of the house some where else.
>
> A leaky supply air duct would not suck air in the dryer vent (it would
> just
> blow air some where else in the house, that would come back the return).
>
> A clogged return would create a suction inside the blower cabinet. Not
> sucking air into the dryer vent.
>
> You been working too hard, sir?
>
> --
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Do good work.
> It's longer in the short run
> but shorter in the long run.
> .
The ONLY reason I even bother here, is cause old Stormin Moron, obviously
hasnt a clue, and the sad thing is, some homeowner might think hes right.

Ok moron..return is tight, supplys leaking under the house, or in the
attic...where is that air going? CLUE: Outside the home.
Another Clue..where does the air come from that is trying to fill the slight
vac that the leaking supply duct has caused?
CLUE: Outside.

> .
>
>
> "TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1132505651.977172.151820@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> This is Turtle.
>
> first i can't see it from here but here is a guess.
>
> You have to have a Air Discharge duct leak somewhere. this is the air
> leaving the furnace and traveling to the discharge registers. If you
> had a bad leak , you would have a vacuum on the house in this
> condition.
>
> If you had a blocked return line or blocking of the air returning to
> the furnace ,you would have a pressure on the house and not a vacuum.
>
> This is a guess and others opinions may very.
>
> TURTLE
>
>

CBHVAC

2005-11-21, 1:21 pm

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:jgbgf.11035$JQ.6247@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Sounds like the furnace needs an air intake for the combustion air. A HVAC
> tech oughta be able to cut a hole in the side wall and run a bit of flex
> tubing from the side wall to the furnace, so it will have air to burn (and
> send up the chimney).
>
> Air going up the chimney has to be replaced some how.
>
> --

Getting smarter, but..

What if its a 94+% unit?
Flex? Thats not legal for combustion air anywhere Im aware of..

Anything else you want to try to add? keep posting Chrissy...Im sure that
the homeowners reading your drivel understand that not all of us are that
stupid...and honestly..most homeowners got a leg up on you.

>
> Christopher A. Young
> Do good work.
> It's longer in the short run
> but shorter in the long run.
> .
> .
>
>
> "Terskac" <helic@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:1132496876.135801.66450@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> When my furnace is running it creates a strong vacuum in my house so
> cold air rushes in through my
> dryer vent. This causes my laundry room to get very cold. I also feel a
> strong draft going down the basement steps toward the furnace.
>
> I sealed off the dryer vent and now the cold air is coming in through
> my 3 bathroom fan vents.
>
> The house is 20 years old with forced air natural gas heat.
>
> Could my cold air return ducts be blocked? There is a cold air return
> duct directly across the basement steps and the air seems to just go
> down the steps instead of trough the cold air return.
>
> WHy does the furnace create this vacuum? Is too much air going up the
> exhaust pipe?
>
>

Dido

2005-11-21, 7:21 pm

From what I can understand this, your furans
just started to do that. If that is the case
check your return duct works to your furnace,
it is either close, blocked, duct collapse, and perhaps
your smoke stack needs cleaning are
you have never change the filter in 20 years

Good luck from Dido

"Terskac" <helic@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1132496876.135801.66450@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> When my furnace is running it creates a strong vacuum in my house so
> cold air rushes in through my
> dryer vent. This causes my laundry room to get very cold. I also feel a
> strong draft going down the basement steps toward the furnace.
>
> I sealed off the dryer vent and now the cold air is coming in through
> my 3 bathroom fan vents.
>
> The house is 20 years old with forced air natural gas heat.
>
> Could my cold air return ducts be blocked? There is a cold air return
> duct directly across the basement steps and the air seems to just go
> down the steps instead of trough the cold air return.
>
> WHy does the furnace create this vacuum? Is too much air going up the
> exhaust pipe?
>

CBHVAC

2005-11-21, 7:21 pm

"Dido" <a.seput@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:o4sgf.1556$RI5.359@trndny09...
> From what I can understand this, your furans
> just started to do that. If that is the case
> check your return duct works to your furnace,
> it is either close, blocked, duct collapse, and perhaps
> your smoke stack needs cleaning are
> you have never change the filter in 20 years
>
> Good luck from Dido

Yea..Good Luck if you listen to this one...

Explain again...no..not how english is a second lang to you, but how a
blocked RETURN can do this..

>
> "Terskac" <helic@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:1132496876.135801.66450@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>

ftwhd

2005-11-21, 8:21 pm

On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:41:04 -0500, "CBHVAC"
<inactive@carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote:

>
>"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:jgbgf.11035$JQ.6247@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>
>Getting smarter, but..
>
>What if its a 94+% unit?
>Flex? Thats not legal for combustion air anywhere Im aware of..
>
Im pretty sure Amana furnaces are 94% and they can be installed as a
one pipe system drawing combustion air from the home. Well, thats
what some guy was telling me at the supply house one day.

Whats the deal with that? Is that true?

CBHVAC

2005-11-21, 8:21 pm

"ftwhd" <ftwhd@home.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:41:04 -0500, "CBHVAC"
> <inactive@carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote:
>
> Im pretty sure Amana furnaces are 94% and they can be installed as a
> one pipe system drawing combustion air from the home. Well, thats
> what some guy was telling me at the supply house one day.
>
> Whats the deal with that? Is that true?

You could prob install ANY two pipe system as a single, but why would you
want to?

TURTLE

2005-11-21, 8:21 pm

This is Turtle.

You stated above here it was illege and now you say you can do it if
you suppose to want to do it.

Which is it Illegal or Do it if you suppose to ?

Storm might not be very smart but he does not lie like this.

TURTLE

sixfoot7@sccoast.net

2005-11-21, 9:21 pm

Chris,

Turtle is right.

Repeat after me:

Supply leaks suck; Return leaks blow!

If you have a supply duct leak, it acts like an exhaust fan, and that
pulls the house into a vacuum. One other way to do the same thing is
to have a room with no return air path. Any supply air going into that
room has no way to get back to the system return, so it pressurizes
that room and leaks out the cracks around the doors and windows. That
makes that room into an air exhauster, which pulls the rest of the
house into a negative pressure with respect to outside. A house under
negative pressure is very dangerous if there is any fuel burning
appliance inside like a fireplace, gas furnace, oil furnace or gas
water heater, etc. It can backdraft the flue and kill someone.

If you have a return duct leak, that acts like a makeup air fan, which
puts the house under a positive pressure. That is less dangerous, but
will still increase your heating and cooling bills.

Got it now Chris?

WAY TO GO TURTLE!!

Stretch

Tekkie®

2005-11-21, 9:21 pm

CBHVAC posted for all of us...
I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.

>
> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:jgbgf.11035$JQ.6247@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>
> Getting smarter, but..
>
> What if its a 94+% unit?
> Flex? Thats not legal for combustion air anywhere Im aware of..
>
> Anything else you want to try to add? keep posting Chrissy...Im sure that
> the homeowners reading your drivel understand that not all of us are that
> stupid...and honestly..most homeowners got a leg up on you.

My black Lab has his leg up on him![color=darkred]
>

--
My boss said I was dumb and apathetic.
I said I don't know and I don't care...

Tekkie

Tekkie®

2005-11-21, 9:21 pm

posted for all of us...
I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.

>
> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 03:35:44 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
> <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Oh, good fucking idea, stormy.
>
> You ought to go tell your local board about that, recommend
> they put it in code or something.
>
>
Is that a blow hole - suck hole - glory hole - XXX hole ?
--
My boss said I was dumb and apathetic.
I said I don't know and I don't care...

Tekkie

TURTLE

2005-11-21, 10:21 pm

This is Turtle.

Why thank you here , but there is more to, what you have said here
about a Neg. pressure of the house. I have seen one house where there
was neg. pressure so bad that it doubled the Electric bill for cooling
just asfter they replacee all their duct work. the contractor had got
his money and hit the trail and i had to cover a low attic and \find a
leak of the ductwork on the discharge side. When you tried to close a
door the door would whisle when you tried to close it. the very most
fatherest end ductwork was not tied into the register at all and just
blowing in the attic.

This problem is a bigger problem than most think.

TURTLE

TURTLE

2005-11-21, 10:21 pm

...p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 03:35:43 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
> <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> My god !
>
> The junior hack just called the senior hack a hack !!!!!
>
> BWahahahahahaha !!! :-)
>

This is Turtle.

OH MY LORD , Now Our Part time Software salesman and full time Troll
decided to call some of the HVAC business owners members of the group
Hacks. You would not know a hack if he was in your face telling you he
was one.

TURTLE

Steve Scott

2005-11-22, 1:21 am

What if you have a disconnected return in the furnace room, Stretch?

On 21 Nov 2005 16:57:27 -0800, sixfoot7@sccoast.net wrote:

>Chris,
>
>Turtle is right.
>
>Repeat after me:
>
>Supply leaks suck; Return leaks blow!
>
>If you have a supply duct leak, it acts like an exhaust fan, and that
>pulls the house into a vacuum. One other way to do the same thing is
>to have a room with no return air path. Any supply air going into that
>room has no way to get back to the system return, so it pressurizes
>that room and leaks out the cracks around the doors and windows. That
>makes that room into an air exhauster, which pulls the rest of the
>house into a negative pressure with respect to outside. A house under
>negative pressure is very dangerous if there is any fuel burning
>appliance inside like a fireplace, gas furnace, oil furnace or gas
>water heater, etc. It can backdraft the flue and kill someone.
>
>If you have a return duct leak, that acts like a makeup air fan, which
>puts the house under a positive pressure. That is less dangerous, but
>will still increase your heating and cooling bills.
>
>Got it now Chris?
>
>WAY TO GO TURTLE!!
>
>
>
>Stretch

--
Well, to be Frank, I'd have to change
my name.

Stormin Mormon

2005-11-22, 10:21 am

Ah, but the attic was nice and cool?

A friend and I did that awhile back. We were installing central AC on a
rather hot day. It finally occured to us, we were putting in some trunk
line. We powered up the system and jumped a couple terminals on the furnace.
Pumped the cellar full of cold air, which made it a lot more comfortable for
us workers.

The question remains: What is pumping air out of the original poster's
house?
--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..

"TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132623313.269968.172660@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
This is Turtle.

Why thank you here , but there is more to, what you have said here
about a Neg. pressure of the house. I have seen one house where there
was neg. pressure so bad that it doubled the Electric bill for cooling
just asfter they replacee all their duct work. the contractor had got
his money and hit the trail and i had to cover a low attic and \find a
leak of the ductwork on the discharge side. When you tried to close a
door the door would whisle when you tried to close it. the very most
fatherest end ductwork was not tied into the register at all and just
blowing in the attic.

This problem is a bigger problem than most think.

TURTLE

Stormin Mormon

2005-11-22, 10:21 am

Dear Stretch,
If you scan back a ways, the original poster said that the furnace was
drawing air in through the dryer vent. When he closed that, it drew in
through the bathroom vents.
As I understand the terms, "supply air" is air going from the furnace to
the conditioned part of the building. Supply air is within the building.
Return air is from the conditioned part of the building to the furnace HX.
A leak in either one of those moves air within the house -- not draw air
into the house, or pump air out of the house. Unless the furnace is
installed outside of the house.
The only way to suck air in the dryer vent is to be pumping air out of
the house some other way. (Like up the chimney?). We need to consider what
is pumping air out of the house. My answer stands. If the house is trying to
draw in the dryer vent, my suggestion is to run a duct for combustion air.
From the outside to the furnace, so that the combustion chamber is using
outdoor air.
Incidentally, supply leaks blow, return leaks suck. If the supply is
leaking, it blows air within the house -- which air is returned through the
return ducts, also within the house. It won't cause air inrush through the
dryer vent.

http://www.acdoctor.com/enegry_save...rgy_losses2.htm

Here is a web page which says much the same as what you say. However, the
assumption is that the heating plant is in a different air system than the
living space. Most of the houses I've worked on, the cellar is definitely in
the same air system as the rest of the house. It isn't conditioned, but a
supply or return air leak just blows some air up or down the cellar stairs.
This web page doesn't say what happens to the air which (supply duct leak)
blew out of the duct, or where the air came from (return duct leak) to
pressurize the house. In the houses I've been working, the duct leak air
came from or to the conditioned area, up or down the cellar stairs.

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..

<sixfoot7@sccoast.net> wrote in message
news:1132621047.700624.42010@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Chris,

Turtle is right.

Repeat after me:

Supply leaks suck; Return leaks blow!

If you have a supply duct leak, it acts like an exhaust fan, and that
pulls the house into a vacuum. One other way to do the same thing is
to have a room with no return air path. Any supply air going into that
room has no way to get back to the system return, so it pressurizes
that room and leaks out the cracks around the doors and windows. That
makes that room into an air exhauster, which pulls the rest of the
house into a negative pressure with respect to outside. A house under
negative pressure is very dangerous if there is any fuel burning
appliance inside like a fireplace, gas furnace, oil furnace or gas
water heater, etc. It can backdraft the flue and kill someone.

If you have a return duct leak, that acts like a makeup air fan, which
puts the house under a positive pressure. That is less dangerous, but
will still increase your heating and cooling bills.

Got it now Chris?

WAY TO GO TURTLE!!

Stretch

Stormin Mormon

2005-11-22, 10:21 am

I'd expect a lot of air coming down the return (even if it is disconnected),
and some coming down the stairs,

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..

"Steve Scott" <sscott1@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
news:cn75o1p6nqt96lqn993uhr9br65a94fu6g@4ax.com...
What if you have a disconnected return in the furnace room, Stretch?

On 21 Nov 2005 16:57:27 -0800, sixfoot7@sccoast.net wrote:

>Chris,
>
>Turtle is right.
>
>Repeat after me:
>
>Supply leaks suck; Return leaks blow!
>

CBHVAC

2005-11-22, 10:21 am

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9qFgf.14773$JQ.410@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Ah, but the attic was nice and cool?
>
> A friend and I did that awhile back. We were installing central AC on a
> rather hot day. It finally occured to us, we were putting in some trunk
> line. We powered up the system and jumped a couple terminals on the
> furnace.
> Pumped the cellar full of cold air, which made it a lot more comfortable
> for
> us workers.

Pussy.

>
> The question remains: What is pumping air out of the original poster's
> house?
> --
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Do good work.
> It's longer in the short run
> but shorter in the long run.
> .
> .
>
>
> "TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1132623313.269968.172660@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> This is Turtle.
>
> Why thank you here , but there is more to, what you have said here
> about a Neg. pressure of the house. I have seen one house where there
> was neg. pressure so bad that it doubled the Electric bill for cooling
> just asfter they replacee all their duct work. the contractor had got
> his money and hit the trail and i had to cover a low attic and \find a
> leak of the ductwork on the discharge side. When you tried to close a
> door the door would whisle when you tried to close it. the very most
> fatherest end ductwork was not tied into the register at all and just
> blowing in the attic.
>
> This problem is a bigger problem than most think.
>
> TURTLE
>
>

CBHVAC

2005-11-22, 11:21 am

"TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132617663.275343.208000@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> This is Turtle.
>
> You stated above here it was illege and now you say you can do it if
> you suppose to want to do it.
>
> Which is it Illegal or Do it if you suppose to ?
>
> Storm might not be very smart but he does not lie like this.
>
> TURTLE
>

Spin Dr Terry...

While I realize that English inst second nature to you, or even third, or
forth, based upon the rantings you have posted of late in the group, but
even Stormy can realize what was originally posted, and can absorb the
information given.
Seeing as how you can not, might I suggest that you re-read the above
information, and try to get it into your head what was being talked about.
Since I realize that you will have a hard (no pun) time figuring out what I
mean by this, I will sit here and wait for you to post a comment about how I
spun your spin.

But thank you for proving to the readers of this group, that you dont know
the difference between flex duct being used for a make up air duct, and a
section of PVC pipe being plumbed to the unit as per the instructions on a
two pipe unit.
Indirectly, it also proves that you are not looking out for your customers
best interests when you sell them anything, since we are all now sure that
you excell at Goodman 80% junkers, and not what they would prefer to have at
probably the same, or less price by a legitimate organization.

Im also sorry that you cant see the humor in Mikes post...we might not see
eye to eye on things, but I did get it, and thought it was kinda funny.
Now...before I leave you to slobber all over your keyboard waiting on a
thought that you can put down on the screen, let me help you get some
material together so you can actually get to work sometime this week....

I expect you to make a comment about Paul.
I expect you to make a comment about Bill,
I expect you to compare Chris to a fucking rocket scientist.
I expect you to make some lame attempt at discrediting me in some form.

That should get the ball rolling and you should have little to no slobber to
wipe from your keys when you are done.

CBHVAC

2005-11-22, 11:21 am

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9qFgf.14772$JQ.7494@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Dear Stretch,
> If you scan back a ways, the original poster said that the furnace was
> drawing air in through the dryer vent. When he closed that, it drew in
> through the bathroom vents.
> As I understand the terms, "supply air" is air going from the furnace
> to
> the conditioned part of the building. Supply air is within the building.
> Return air is from the conditioned part of the building to the furnace HX.
> A leak in either one of those moves air within the house -- not draw
> air
> into the house, or pump air out of the house. Unless the furnace is
> installed outside of the house.

Wot a dick.
Ok rocket scientist..what do you call the attic? Inside, or outside of the
conditioned space?
What do you call a crawlspace? Inside or outside of the conditioned space?
(not talking about a conditioned crawl here)

A leak in either part of the duct system, on any part that is outside of the
conditioned space, or for you slower types, the living area of the home that
you reside in, that is not open to the outside of the home...like an attic
with gable vents, or a basement with ventilation crossflow vents, or a
crawlspace with the same, will either create a negative, or a positive
pressure within the living area of the home.

> The only way to suck air in the dryer vent is to be pumping air out of
> the house some other way. (Like up the chimney?). We need to consider what
> is pumping air out of the house. My answer stands. If the house is trying
> to
> draw in the dryer vent, my suggestion is to run a duct for combustion air.

And suppose hes already got that?
Then your answer means dick.

What if hes got an inducer motor with a two pipe system? Then what Einstien?

How about you guys figure out how to properly ask him when its pulling air?
I mean..a duct issue is a simple check even for you Chris...you turn the
furnace OFF, and turn the blower ON....
Gee..what happens then if hes pulling air from outside? Do you have a clue?

Here....since you did nothing to help the OP, its like this..

A supply air leak, will cause the home to suck....not as you state
below...to use the terms suck, and blow..
A supply air leak, causes living space air to be removed from the home,
normally into an attic or crawl, and since air is fluid, and will seek its
own, it will pull air into the living area from outside it, meaning, any way
it can.

A return leak, will cause the home to blow. It will pull air in from outside
the living area, IF the unit is located outside of the living area, or has
the leak in a section of duct that is outside the conditioned space, and
will cause the air inside the home, to find ways OUT of the conditioned
space.

Now...how did the OP find out that his dryer vent was allowing air into the
home? It SHOULD have a flap on it that partially seals the opening and
reduces the amount of air into the home in a backdraft, and it SHOULD be
attached to his dryer....so anyone that owns a dryer would have to assume
that he was getting a frozen drum when he opened his dryer. Same for the
bathroom vents.
Stop and think about that for a sec, and assuming the flaps work, thats a
hell of a pull for just combustion air....and assuming it IS combustion air,
then his furnace was obviously installed wrong.
Also, assuming it was installed without something so simple as a combustion
air vent, one could rightfully also assume that its the least of his
worries...can you imagine how bad the duct must be?

You claim, and I use that term loosly, since your previous postings prove
you are not much better than an uneducated homeowner when it comes to
this...to work in the trade..if so, stop using website cut and pastes and
use some real information out of the code books...oh...wait..thats a stretch
from hell, since the idea of in inspection to you is an illusion.

> From the outside to the furnace, so that the combustion chamber is using
> outdoor air.
> Incidentally, supply leaks blow, return leaks suck. If the supply is
> leaking, it blows air within the house -- which air is returned through
> the
> return ducts, also within the house. It won't cause air inrush through the
> dryer vent.
>
> http://www.acdoctor.com/enegry_save...rgy_losses2.htm
>
> Here is a web page which says much the same as what you say. However, the
> assumption is that the heating plant is in a different air system than the
> living space. Most of the houses I've worked on, the cellar is definitely
> in
> the same air system as the rest of the house. It isn't conditioned, but a
> supply or return air leak just blows some air up or down the cellar
> stairs.
> This web page doesn't say what happens to the air which (supply duct leak)
> blew out of the duct, or where the air came from (return duct leak) to
> pressurize the house. In the houses I've been working, the duct leak air
> came from or to the conditioned area, up or down the cellar stairs.
>
> --
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Do good work.
> It's longer in the short run
> but shorter in the long run.
> .
> .
>
>
> <sixfoot7@sccoast.net> wrote in message
> news:1132621047.700624.42010@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Chris,
>
> Turtle is right.
>
> Repeat after me:
>
> Supply leaks suck; Return leaks blow!
>
> If you have a supply duct leak, it acts like an exhaust fan, and that
> pulls the house into a vacuum. One other way to do the same thing is
> to have a room with no return air path. Any supply air going into that
> room has no way to get back to the system return, so it pressurizes
> that room and leaks out the cracks around the doors and windows. That
> makes that room into an air exhauster, which pulls the rest of the
> house into a negative pressure with respect to outside. A house under
> negative pressure is very dangerous if there is any fuel burning
> appliance inside like a fireplace, gas furnace, oil furnace or gas
> water heater, etc. It can backdraft the flue and kill someone.
>
> If you have a return duct leak, that acts like a makeup air fan, which
> puts the house under a positive pressure. That is less dangerous, but
> will still increase your heating and cooling bills.
>
> Got it now Chris?
>
> WAY TO GO TURTLE!!
>
>
>
> Stretch
>
>

CBHVAC

2005-11-22, 11:21 am

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:SzFgf.14775$JQ.12650@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> I'd expect a lot of air coming down the return (even if it is
> disconnected),
> and some coming down the stairs,
>

What if the furnace is in the garage, or attic, or crawlspace?

> --
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Do good work.
> It's longer in the short run
> but shorter in the long run.
> .
> .
>
>
> "Steve Scott" <sscott1@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:cn75o1p6nqt96lqn993uhr9br65a94fu6g@4ax.com...
> What if you have a disconnected return in the furnace room, Stretch?
>
> On 21 Nov 2005 16:57:27 -0800, sixfoot7@sccoast.net wrote:
>
>
>

TURTLE

2005-11-22, 12:21 pm

This is Turtle.

I have no need to discredit you at all , but all I have to do is tell
the poster to read what was said and that is all that is needed to
discredit you. You got cought bullshiting so just live with it.

now Spinning something ! I'm not much on spinning anything but there is
the truth and then there is bullshit and lies. Sorry Stevey you got
cought bullshitting or liing here.

You stated that Flex Duct used for make up air was illegal and then
later said you can do it if you like. You can't change what you said
but you can stop bullshitting and liing and be alright.

One note before I close , You are a smooth mouth devil ain't you !

TURTLE

CBHVAC

2005-11-22, 12:21 pm

"TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132674347.680508.197610@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> This is Turtle.
>
> I have no need to discredit you at all , but all I have to do is tell
> the poster to read what was said and that is all that is needed to
> discredit you. You got cought bullshiting so just live with it.
>

Umm...no.

> now Spinning something ! I'm not much on spinning anything but there is
> the truth and then there is bullshit and lies. Sorry Stevey you got
> cought bullshitting or liing here.

Nope..wrong again hackboi.

>
> You stated that Flex Duct used for make up air was illegal and then
> later said you can do it if you like. You can't change what you said
> but you can stop bullshitting and liing and be alright.

And you proved what a total complete fool you are..
No one was talking about using flex on the post you had to jump in on...
Now that you look the fool, how about you go slobber some more.

>
> One note before I close , You are a smooth mouth devil ain't you !

I can read...unlike you.

>
> TURTLE
>

TURTLE

2005-11-22, 2:21 pm

CBHVAC wrote:
> "TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1132674347.680508.197610@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> Umm...no.
>
>
> Nope..wrong again hackboi.
>
>
> And you proved what a total complete fool you are..
> No one was talking about using flex on the post you had to jump in on...
> Now that you look the fool, how about you go slobber some more.
>
>
> I can read...unlike you.
>
>

This is Turtle.

I did not see any reply to say it was you that liied or not and only
just give bullshit to cover up what was said. Son , You liied Live with
it !

TURTLE

~^Johnny^~

2005-11-22, 3:21 pm

On 20 Nov 2005 08:43:35 -0800, "TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote:

>This is Turtle.
>
>I think one of the pusseys has taken over and Paul is on vacation.
>
>TURTLE

blow me

--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info

CBHVAC

2005-11-22, 4:21 pm

"TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132680227.348412.119930@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> CBHVAC wrote:
>
> This is Turtle.
>
> I did not see any reply to say it was you that liied or not and only
> just give bullshit to cover up what was said. Son , You liied Live with
> it !
>
> TURTLE
>

If *you* think I lied, (one *I* there Einstien) then good...
You would not know the truth if it came up out of the swamp and bit you on
the XXX.

Anyone with an IQ higher than their shoe size can see how you are now..

Id bitchslap you but I really dont wanna smell like shit all day.

TURTLE

2005-11-22, 9:21 pm

This is Turtle.

A answer of no comment is not a answer !

I.Q. has nothing to do with this but you lied.

TURTLE

CBHVAC

2005-11-22, 9:21 pm

"TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132707285.401346.58790@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> This is Turtle.
>
> A answer of no comment is not a answer !
>

Comment on this..

> I.Q. has nothing to do with this but you lied.

Prove it moron.

>
> TURTLE
>

TURTLE

2005-11-22, 11:21 pm

This is Turtle.

the only way i can prove it to you is to go back and read it to you ! i
hope you can read ?

TURTLE

ReRe

2005-11-23, 2:21 am

"TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132622697.988584.165560@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

...p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 03:35:43 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
> <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> My god !
>
> The junior hack just called the senior hack a hack !!!!!
>
> BWahahahahahaha !!! :-)
>

This is Turtle.

OH MY LORD , Now Our Part time Software salesman and full time Troll
decided to call some of the HVAC business owners members of the group
Hacks. You would not know a hack if he was in your face telling you he
was one.

TURTLE

This is ReRe

Turtle, let it go man. That shit was pretty funny.
PJ, what got into you tonight? You feeling alright?

ReRe

TURTLE

2005-11-23, 2:21 am

This is Turtle.

i only fire when fire up on. then sometimes it takes a day or so to put
down a good cover fire pattern.

TURTLE

Stormin Mormon

2005-11-23, 10:21 am

How much hack would a hvac tech hack, if a hvac tech could hack hack?

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..

...p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 03:35:43 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
> <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> My god !
>
> The junior hack just called the senior hack a hack !!!!!
>
> BWahahahahahaha !!! :-)
>

Stormin Mormon

2005-11-23, 10:21 am

actually, I can't remember ever having called someone a hack on this group.
In Stretch's case, I did ask if he'd been working too hard, and maybe might
have got a few details mixed up.

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..

"TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132622697.988584.165560@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

...p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 03:35:43 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
> <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> My god !
>
> The junior hack just called the senior hack a hack !!!!!
>
> BWahahahahahaha !!! :-)
>

This is Turtle.

OH MY LORD , Now Our Part time Software salesman and full time Troll
decided to call some of the HVAC business owners members of the group
Hacks. You would not know a hack if he was in your face telling you he
was one.

TURTLE

Stormin Mormon

2005-11-23, 10:21 am

As the Japanese say "bend like the willow, don't break like the oak".
However, I don't think they were paying attention to their own advice during
the big war.

In the case of usenet, I'm more favoring ignoring flames, or making humor of
them.

--

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Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..

"TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote in message
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This is Turtle.

i only fire when fire up on. then sometimes it takes a day or so to put
down a good cover fire pattern.

TURTLE

TURTLE

2005-11-23, 12:21 pm

Stormin Mormon wrote:
> As the Japanese say "bend like the willow, don't break like the oak".
> However, I don't think they were paying attention to their own advice during
> the big war.
>
> In the case of usenet, I'm more favoring ignoring flames, or making humor of
> them.
>
> --
>
> Christopher A. Young

This is Turtle.

Japan's problem was that the Imperoir Herio heto and the army commander
Toejoe did not like each other. There was in writting that if the
Imperior would give in to a invador. he would have to kill himself or
the Army Commander would do it for him. He had to get Toejoe to agree
with him to give in and then the Imperior did not have to kill himself.

So when the Politicions has a problem, the Public come second !

TURTLE

Dido

2005-11-23, 3:21 pm

"CBHVAC" <inactive@carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote in message
news:Rksgf.243$eP.2133@eagle.america.net...
>
> "Dido" <a.seput@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:o4sgf.1556$RI5.359@trndny09...
>
> Yea..Good Luck if you listen to this one...
>
> Explain again...no..not how english is a second lang to you, but how a blocked
> RETURN can do this..
>
You return air is duct from upstairs hallway

down to furnace is it not.

In addition, you have closed door of you stairways

Now if your return is blocked some place up

The furnace will find the air to pump up.

Where this air is going to come from?

If not from your basement where is your furnace

located, since you pumping this air upstairs

You are creating vacuum in your basement,

Now you have created vacuum in basement

This air must come from somewhere, through

Your smoke stack, drier, windows’, doors

Wherever is less resistance to enter it happens

That your drier happens to be it.

I hope that you are apprehending what I am

Telling you.

Good luck from Dido

>
>

..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2005-11-23, 3:21 pm

On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:28:10 GMT, "Dildo" <a.seput@verizon.net> wrote:

>I hope that you are apprehending what I am
>
>Telling you.

Why, is it trying to run away ?

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2005-11-23, 4:21 pm

...p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote in
news:lbd9o1d4785qvtg4gvtmqolqeumhqti2tf@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:28:10 GMT, "Dildo" <a.seput@verizon.net> wrote:
>

[color=darkred]
>
> Why, is it trying to run away ?
>

I believe what dildo is trying to tell us is:
"You think I know fuck nothing? I know fuck all!"

Oscar_Lives

2005-11-23, 8:21 pm

"Dido" <a.seput@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:_w2hf.5240$BU2.2665@trndny01...
>
> "CBHVAC" <inactive@carolinabreezehvac.com> wrote in message
> news:Rksgf.243$eP.2133@eagle.america.net...
> You return air is duct from upstairs hallway
>
> down to furnace is it not.
>
> In addition, you have closed door of you stairways
>
> Now if your return is blocked some place up
>
> The furnace will find the air to pump up.
>
> Where this air is going to come from?
>
> If not from your basement where is your furnace
>
> located, since you pumping this air upstairs
>
> You are creating vacuum in your basement,
>
> Now you have created vacuum in basement
>
> This air must come from somewhere, through
>
> Your smoke stack, drier, windows', doors
>
> Wherever is less resistance to enter it happens
>
> That your drier happens to be it.
>
> I hope that you are apprehending what I am
>
> Telling you.
>
>
>
> Good luck from Dido

Hey Dildo:

Don't they have English classes where you live?

Geeze.. if you are going to live here or play here, you need to learn the
language.

Stormin Mormon

2005-11-23, 9:21 pm

After the dryer vent, the air was coming in the bathroom vents. How does
that fit into your descrip? (hint: It doesn't.)

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..

"Dido" <a.seput@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:_w2hf.5240$BU2.2665@trndny01...

You return air is duct from upstairs hallway

down to furnace is it not.

In addition, you have closed door of you stairways

Now if your return is blocked some place up

The furnace will find the air to pump up.

Where this air is going to come from?

If not from your basement where is your furnace

located, since you pumping this air upstairs

You are creating vacuum in your basement,

Now you have created vacuum in basement

This air must come from somewhere, through

Your smoke stack, drier, windows’, doors

Wherever is less resistance to enter it happens

That your drier happens to be it.

I hope that you are apprehending what I am

Telling you.

Good luck from Dido

[color=darkred]

almoran@hotmail.com

2005-11-23, 9:21 pm

On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:18:59 GMT, "Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net>
wrote:

>Hey Dildo:
>
>Don't they have English classes where you live?
>
>Geeze.. if you are going to live here or play here, you need to learn the
>language.
>

I think he went to turtles house of english.

TURTLE

2005-11-27, 12:21 am

This is Turtle.

Awwwww No , Paul does all the blowing for use. All you have to do is
tell him something he don't like and he will ask you to blow him.

TURTLE

TURTLE

2005-11-27, 12:21 am

Stormin Mormon wrote:
> After the dryer vent, the air was coming in the bathroom vents. How does
> that fit into your descrip? (hint: It doesn't.)
>
> --
>
> Christopher A. Young

This is Turtle.

hold it down Stormy for they are tring to bullshit everybody into
thinking they know it all. Then you come a long and read everything and
see the bullshit forming in a pile. Let them go a head and bullshit
here so they can end the thread.

TURTLE

TURTLE

2005-11-27, 12:21 am

Stormin Mormon wrote:
> actually, I can't remember ever having called someone a hack on this group.
> In Stretch's case, I did ask if he'd been working too hard, and maybe might
> have got a few details mixed up.
>
> --
>
> Christopher A. Young

This is Turtle.

Just ask Cool and CBHACK will answer for him and tell you how long a
Hack would take to CBHACK a job.

TURTLE

TURTLE

2005-11-27, 1:21 am

CBHVAC wrote:
> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9qFgf.14773$JQ.410@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>
>
> Pussy.
>

This is Turtle.

Paul !

TURTLE

TURTLE

2005-11-27, 1:21 am

CBHVAC wrote:
> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9qFgf.14772$JQ.7494@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>
>
> Wot a dick.
> Ok rocket scientist..what do you call the attic? Inside, or outside of the
> conditioned space?
> What do you call a crawlspace? Inside or outside of the conditioned space?
> (not talking about a conditioned crawl here)
>
> A leak in either part of the duct system, on any part that is outside of the
> conditioned space, or for you slower types, the living area of the home that
> you reside in, that is not open to the outside of the home...like an attic
> with gable vents, or a basement with ventilation crossflow vents, or a
> crawlspace with the same, will either create a negative, or a positive
> pressure within the living area of the home.
>

This is Turtle

Snip the rest of the excuss

If your right you don't have to make so many excusses in one thread.

Cut the Bullshit out.

TURTLE

TURTLE

2005-11-27, 1:21 am

...p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:28:10 GMT, "Dildo" <a.seput@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> Why, is it trying to run away ?
>

This is Turtle.

the problem heard that the Minion Club was going to discuss it.

TURTLE

Stormin Mormon

2005-11-27, 11:21 am

As you wish. Again, I find myself respecting your wisdom, o hard shelled
one.

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..

"TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1133064646.173962.191430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Stormin Mormon wrote:
> After the dryer vent, the air was coming in the bathroom vents. How does
> that fit into your descrip? (hint: It doesn't.)
>
> --
>
> Christopher A. Young

This is Turtle.

hold it down Stormy for they are tring to bullshit everybody into
thinking they know it all. Then you come a long and read everything and
see the bullshit forming in a pile. Let them go a head and bullshit
here so they can end the thread.

TURTLE

CBHVAC

2005-11-27, 5:21 pm

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:YZjif.35590$DL6.9496@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> As you wish. Again, I find myself respecting your wisdom, o hard shelled
> one.
>

You two polesmokers get a room will ya?

> --
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Do good work.
> It's longer in the short run
> but shorter in the long run.
> .
> .
>
>
> "TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1133064646.173962.191430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> This is Turtle.
>
> hold it down Stormy for they are tring to bullshit everybody into
> thinking they know it all. Then you come a long and read everything and
> see the bullshit forming in a pile. Let them go a head and bullshit
> here so they can end the thread.
>
> TURTLE
>
>

sixfoot7@sccoast.net

2005-11-29, 12:21 am

Chris.

What you say is only true if ALL supplu ducts are completely inside the
pressure envelope of the house. If any supply ducts run through the
attic, a garage, a crawlspace, an unconditioned basement, etc, any
leaks in the supply ducts running through those areas will effectively
blow air out of the house. That puts the house under a negative
pressure. If you crack open a window, the air will suck into the
house. That is why a supply leak sucks. It helps you in
troubleshooting the problem.

If the air was coming in the dryer vent, that was the easiest way for
the air to get in. When he plugged that hole, the air took the next
easiest way in. A supply duct leak into the area outside the pressure
envelope of the house always sucks the house into a negative pressure.

Check advancedenergy.org for getting into a class on duct diagnostics.

Stretch

Stormin Mormon

2005-11-29, 3:21 pm

That's about all I see in western NYS, is enclosed houses. We have
essentially none with crawl spaces (open at the sides) or anything like
that. We also only do external HVAC equipment on commercial applications.
Malls with roof top, and some commercial places like restaurants.

Residential, the only thing external is condensing units for central AC. and
on trailers, sometimes the whole AC is external, and feeds the trailer with
flex duct.

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..

<sixfoot7@sccoast.net> wrote in message
news:1133237114.567229.100050@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Chris.

What you say is only true if ALL supplu ducts are completely inside the
pressure envelope of the house. If any supply ducts run through the
attic, a garage, a crawlspace, an unconditioned basement, etc, any
leaks in the supply ducts running through those areas will effectively
blow air out of the house. That puts the house under a negative
pressure. If you crack open a window, the air will suck into the
house. That is why a supply leak sucks. It helps you in
troubleshooting the problem.

If the air was coming in the dryer vent, that was the easiest way for
the air to get in. When he plugged that hole, the air took the next
easiest way in. A supply duct leak into the area outside the pressure
envelope of the house always sucks the house into a negative pressure.

Check advancedenergy.org for getting into a class on duct diagnostics.

Stretch

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