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Heating zone not working,no water in baseboard
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| Hi All,
We got a new Weil-McLain 3 zone heating/hot water system for our 100 year
old home last year. The 3 zones cover our living room area, 2nd floor
bedrooms, and kitchen/laundry room, which happen to be under a crawl space
and quite cold... Stupid me thought it'd be wise to turn off the heat in the
laundry room upon retiring instead of wasting oil, so when we get up, it was
down to 47 in there. Problem is, now we can't get any heat out back in that
zone. Being the novice I am, I read to bleed the baseboards... I bled the
baseboard in the kitchen and got a slight burst of air, and a few drops of
water. That's it. I then went to the baseboard in the laundry room/back
area of the house and upon opening the bleeder valve, cold water just keeps
coming out, non-stop. If I go down to the basement and drain everything out
of the zone and close the appropriate valve, nothing comes out of the
baseboard's bleeder that would gush cold water otherwise... Open the valves
again,and cold water will gush again when bled... I believe the supply goes
all the way back to the laundry room first, then eventually back to the
kitchen... Sometimes, after trial and error, I will feel the supply pipe,
(PEX) coming right from the boiler and it will feel hot for maybe 10 feet's
length, and get cooler... Naturally, the return pipe is cool...
What's stumping me besides the fact that we have no heat in 1/3 of the house
is why plenty of cold water will gush out of the bleeder all the way in the
back of our house, but nothing will come out of the kitchen baseboard
anymore... Does it still sound like (or did it ever sound like) an air
problem? Day after Thanksgiving it's about 30 outside during the day, and
about 8-9 degrees warmer in the affected area of our house...
Am I not bleeding correctly? Do I need to bleed all of the baseboards in the
house? Something else to look for or try? Thanks for any help you can
provide - would like to avoid another expensive service call if at all
possible!
Scott in NH
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| Edwin Pawlowski 2005-11-25, 6:21 pm |
| "Scott" <noreply@noreply.com> wrote in message
> If I go down to the basement and drain everything out of the zone and
> close the appropriate valve, nothing comes out of the baseboard's bleeder
> that would gush cold water otherwise... Open the valves again,and cold
> water will gush again when bled... I believe the supply goes all the way
> back to the laundry room first, then eventually back to the kitchen...
> Sometimes, after trial and error, I will feel the supply pipe, (PEX)
> coming right from the boiler and it will feel hot for maybe 10 feet's
> length, and get cooler... Naturally, the return pipe is cool...
> Am I not bleeding correctly? Do I need to bleed all of the baseboards in
> the house? Something else to look for or try? Thanks for any help you can
> provide - would like to avoid another expensive service call if at all
> possible!
> Scott in NH
Is the supply to the heater open? For water and air to bleed, there must be
water coming in behind it.
What type of zone valves do you have? Are they open to allow water to come
into the zone? Is the circulator running?
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| Thanks for the quick reply! A friend gave us some quick advice suggesting
that it could have been frozen in one spot which is all it'd take... Got out
two hair dryers, and within 20 minutes, hot water started spurting out of
the bleeder we left open for testing... We're in business! Guess we've
learned not to ever turn the heat off - just down to 55...
Thanks again,
Scott
"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
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> "Scott" <noreply@noreply.com> wrote in message
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> Is the supply to the heater open? For water and air to bleed, there must
> be water coming in behind it.
>
> What type of zone valves do you have? Are they open to allow water to come
> into the zone? Is the circulator running?
>
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| Anthony Berlin 2005-11-26, 8:21 am |
| How many #'s of head does the boiler gauge indicate? Sounds like a
combination of an air lock and low head pressure.
"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
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> "Scott" <noreply@noreply.com> wrote in message
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> Is the supply to the heater open? For water and air to bleed, there must
be
> water coming in behind it.
>
> What type of zone valves do you have? Are they open to allow water to come
> into the zone? Is the circulator running?
>
>
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| Bubba 2005-11-26, 10:21 am |
| Lets see, It was something like 9 degrees overnite, he turned it off
and you think its an air lock?
When do you start HVAC?
Everyone knows it was the pipe booster he installed backwards.
Bubba
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 06:37:12 -0600, "Anthony Berlin"
<tberlin@bluemarble.net> wrote:
>How many #'s of head does the boiler gauge indicate? Sounds like a
>combination of an air lock and low head pressure.
>
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>
>
>"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
>news:ugLhf.1758$4o7.1457@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net...
>bleeder
>can
>be
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| Tekkie® 2005-11-26, 10:21 pm |
| posted for all of us...
I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.=20
> Lets see, It was something like 9 degrees overnite, he turned it off
> and you think its an air lock?
> When do you start HVAC?
> Everyone knows it was the pipe booster he installed backwards.
> Bubba
>=20
>=20
He needs the DuctBooster=AE to keep the PEX thawed.
--=20
My boss said I was dumb and apathetic.
I said I don't know and I don't care...
Tekkie
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2005-11-26, 10:21 pm |
| On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:09:15 -0500, Tekkie® <Tekkie@comcast.net>
wrote:
> posted for all of us...
> I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.
>
>He needs the DuctBooster® to keep the PEX thawed.
Wouldn't that be a Pipe Booster ?
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| Tekkie® 2005-11-27, 11:21 pm |
| posted for all of us...
I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.=20
> On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:09:15 -0500, Tekkie=AE <Tekkie@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> =09Wouldn't that be a Pipe Booster ?
>=20
>=20
>=20
No no no, he's gotta run the DuctBooster=AE from the oven. If he was using=
a=20
PipeBooster=AE that would come from the shitter.
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My boss said I was dumb and apathetic.
I said I don't know and I don't care...
Tekkie
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| Steve Scott 2005-11-29, 12:21 am |
| Don't use a setback on hot water systems. You're just asking for
problems.
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:16:01 -0500, "Scott" <noreply@noreply.com>
wrote:
>Hi All,
>We got a new Weil-McLain 3 zone heating/hot water system for our 100 year
>old home last year. The 3 zones cover our living room area, 2nd floor
>bedrooms, and kitchen/laundry room, which happen to be under a crawl space
>and quite cold... Stupid me thought it'd be wise to turn off the heat in the
>laundry room upon retiring instead of wasting oil, so when we get up, it was
>down to 47 in there. Problem is, now we can't get any heat out back in that
>zone. Being the novice I am, I read to bleed the baseboards... I bled the
>baseboard in the kitchen and got a slight burst of air, and a few drops of
>water. That's it. I then went to the baseboard in the laundry room/back
>area of the house and upon opening the bleeder valve, cold water just keeps
>coming out, non-stop. If I go down to the basement and drain everything out
>of the zone and close the appropriate valve, nothing comes out of the
>baseboard's bleeder that would gush cold water otherwise... Open the valves
>again,and cold water will gush again when bled... I believe the supply goes
>all the way back to the laundry room first, then eventually back to the
>kitchen... Sometimes, after trial and error, I will feel the supply pipe,
>(PEX) coming right from the boiler and it will feel hot for maybe 10 feet's
>length, and get cooler... Naturally, the return pipe is cool...
>
>What's stumping me besides the fact that we have no heat in 1/3 of the house
>is why plenty of cold water will gush out of the bleeder all the way in the
>back of our house, but nothing will come out of the kitchen baseboard
>anymore... Does it still sound like (or did it ever sound like) an air
>problem? Day after Thanksgiving it's about 30 outside during the day, and
>about 8-9 degrees warmer in the affected area of our house...
>
>Am I not bleeding correctly? Do I need to bleed all of the baseboards in the
>house? Something else to look for or try? Thanks for any help you can
>provide - would like to avoid another expensive service call if at all
>possible!
>Scott in NH
>
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