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Tappan vs. Carrier A/C
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| icaplan@clipperwind.com 2005-07-25, 1:21 pm |
| We have a new house that was recently built in Denver, CO (so we will
only run the A/C 2-3 mo/yr). We were looking at having a 3.0 ton 13+
SEER unit installed. We have had estimates using American Standard,
Trane, Tappan, Carrier and (soon to get quote on Rheem).
We are thinking of choosing between Carrier and Tappan as we don't need
the best due to pricing and the fact that it will not be run
constantly. Both installers seem compitent although the Carrier
installer does large volumes for home builders, while the Tappan is an
indept. installer and comes recommended by our inspector. Any
suggestions?
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| Tekkie® 2005-07-25, 11:21 pm |
| posted for all of us...
I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.
> We have a new house that was recently built in Denver, CO (so we will
> only run the A/C 2-3 mo/yr). We were looking at having a 3.0 ton 13+
> SEER unit installed. We have had estimates using American Standard,
> Trane, Tappan, Carrier and (soon to get quote on Rheem).
>
>
> We are thinking of choosing between Carrier and Tappan as we don't need
> the best due to pricing and the fact that it will not be run
> constantly. Both installers seem compitent although the Carrier
> installer does large volumes for home builders, while the Tappan is an
> indept. installer and comes recommended by our inspector. Any
> suggestions?
>
>
Yes, don't double post under two different names - for a start.
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Tekkie
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| Vicki Szaszvari 2005-07-26, 12:21 am |
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icaplan@clipperwind.com wrote:
> We have a new house that was recently built in Denver, CO (so we will
> only run the A/C 2-3 mo/yr). We were looking at having a 3.0 ton 13+
> SEER unit installed. We have had estimates using American Standard,
> Trane, Tappan, Carrier and (soon to get quote on Rheem).
>
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> We are thinking of choosing between Carrier and Tappan as we don't need
> the best due to pricing and the fact that it will not be run
> constantly. Both installers seem compitent although the Carrier
> installer does large volumes for home builders, while the Tappan is an
> indept. installer and comes recommended by our inspector. Any
> suggestions?
Tappan is not who you are thinking they are -- the name was resurrected
literally from the dead. Of the two, I'd have to say that you'd be
better off with a Carrier, which ain't sayin' much.
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| handyandy@asmet.org 2005-07-26, 1:21 am |
| icaplan@clipperwind.com wrote:
>We have a new house that was recently built in Denver, CO (so we will
>only run the A/C 2-3 mo/yr). We were looking at having a 3.0 ton 13+
>SEER unit installed. We have had estimates using American Standard,
>Trane, Tappan, Carrier and (soon to get quote on Rheem).
>
>
>We are thinking of choosing between Carrier and Tappan as we don't need
>the best due to pricing and the fact that it will not be run
>constantly. Both installers seem compitent although the Carrier
>installer does large volumes for home builders, while the Tappan is an
>indept. installer and comes recommended by our inspector. Any
>suggestions?
I recommend you purchase Carrier. I had 8 service calls
today, and every one of them was a Carrier made unit.
I only install Carrier because I KNOW they will break in a
few years and I will get $$$$ in repairing them.
I wish even more peole installed Carrier.
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handyandy@asmet.org wrote:
> icaplan@clipperwind.com wrote:
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> I recommend you purchase Carrier. I had 8 service calls
> today, and every one of them was a Carrier made unit.
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> I only install Carrier because I KNOW they will break in a
> few years and I will get $$$$ in repairing them.
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> I wish even more peole installed Carrier.
The actual statistics have been posted here before, and the major brands
run neck and neck. In my part of the world Rheems are the most likely
to be out. But I won't knock them, they're perfectly good systems,
there are simply a lot of them here, installed by a lot of different
companies in the past.
hvacrmedic
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| handyandy@asmet.org 2005-07-26, 9:21 am |
| >The actual statistics have been posted here before, and the major brands
>run neck and neck. In my part of the world Rheems are the most likely
>to be out. But I won't knock them, they're perfectly good systems,
>there are simply a lot of them here, installed by a lot of different
>companies in the past.
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>hvacrmedic
Say what do you think of those over-engineered CLO relay
circuit boards that only Carrier uses? 24 volts tied to
ground thru a cheap transistor circuit. They call it a
Logic circuit. The good news is, they usually last thru the
manufacturers warranty period. Do you suppose it was
engineered that way?
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handyandy@asmet.org wrote:
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> Say what do you think of those over-engineered CLO relay
> circuit boards that only Carrier uses? 24 volts tied to
> ground thru a cheap transistor circuit. They call it a
> Logic circuit. The good news is, they usually last thru the
> manufacturers warranty period. Do you suppose it was
> engineered that way?
Well they didn't engineer themselves. There have been some design
errors. Are you implying that none of the other manufactures have had
problems?
hvacrmedic
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| On 25 Jul 2005 09:16:29 -0700, icaplan@clipperwind.com wrote:
>We have a new house that was recently built in Denver, CO (so we will
>only run the A/C 2-3 mo/yr). We were looking at having a 3.0 ton 13+
>SEER unit installed. We have had estimates using American Standard,
>Trane, Tappan, Carrier and (soon to get quote on Rheem).
>
>
>We are thinking of choosing between Carrier and Tappan as we don't need
>the best due to pricing and the fact that it will not be run
>constantly. Both installers seem compitent although the Carrier
>installer does large volumes for home builders, while the Tappan is an
>indept. installer and comes recommended by our inspector. Any
>suggestions?
Bullshit!
Why dont you stop wasting all those contractors time?
Be honest. You are going to call contractors until you find the one
that will give you the cheapest hack price you can find
You will save yourself and all those contractors a lot of time by
doing the following.
When you call all of them be honest and upfront.
Tell them you are looking for the cheapest price you can get on a 3
ton 13 SEER system. Have them quote it over the phone.
Then dial away until your fingertips are raw.
Bubba
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| handyandy@asmet.org 2005-07-26, 10:21 pm |
| RP wrote:
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>Well they didn't engineer themselves. There have been some design
>errors. Are you implying that none of the other manufactures have had
>problems?
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>hvacrmedic
Oh no, not in the least. What I AM implying is Carrier
over-engineers almost everything they manufacturer, and
still produce a crappy product.
How about the internally trapped plastic drain pans? On a
downhot package unit? Customers just love those ruined
sheet rock ceilings.
How about the Hall-Effect sensor to prove inducer motor
operation? Never mind the inducer wheel is rusted into, by
golly we got inducer motor so lets open the gas valve!
Or the sensor fails, forcing you to buy a new inducer motor.
Oh, did I mention? The OEM replacement motor is longer than
the original, and sticks thru the sheet metal bulkhead wall,
exposing it to the weather.
Pull the top of a unit, just to change the blower relay
because the factory morons put the mounting screws behind
the relay?
Ever have the pleasure to program a VVT Gen II pre-enhanced
MST-16??
How about the package units with the plastic base pans?
Remember the early models that cracked while craning them
onto the roof curbs?
How about the factory glue on insulation that unglues itself
during the first year in operation?
The question was.....Tappan or Carrier, not all other
manufacturer's.
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handyandy@asmet.org wrote:
> RP wrote:
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> Oh no, not in the least. What I AM implying is Carrier
> over-engineers almost everything they manufacturer, and
> still produce a crappy product.
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> How about the internally trapped plastic drain pans?
I agree that was just dumb.
> On a
> downhot package unit? Customers just love those ruined
> sheet rock ceilings.
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> How about the Hall-Effect sensor to prove inducer motor
> operation? Never mind the inducer wheel is rusted into, by
> golly we got inducer motor so lets open the gas valve!
How is a centrifugal switch an improvement over the Hall-Effect sensor?
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> Or the sensor fails, forcing you to buy a new inducer motor.
I haven't ran across that yet, though I've ran across several Rheems
with bad end switches, you know, that little motor with spider legs that
sits up in that little compartment and bakes because the sheet metal
protecting it from the flue has totally rusted to ruins.
> Oh, did I mention? The OEM replacement motor is longer than
> the original, and sticks thru the sheet metal bulkhead wall,
> exposing it to the weather.
I haven't ran across that yet.
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> Pull the top of a unit, just to change the blower relay
> because the factory morons put the mounting screws behind
> the relay?
How about those Rheems that had the slanted tray with all the wires
running under it and the components above it.
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> Ever have the pleasure to program a VVT Gen II pre-enhanced
> MST-16??
No.
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> How about the package units with the plastic base pans?
> Remember the early models that cracked while craning them
> onto the roof curbs?
No.
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> How about the factory glue on insulation that unglues itself
> during the first year in operation?
I can't compete with that one 
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> The question was.....Tappan or Carrier, not all other
> manufacturer's.
There aren't many Tappans around here, so I couldn't draw a valid
conclusion about them if my life depended on it.
What sucks is not having the inside scoop on the competition's
electronics, which is why most people that sell a given brand think that
all the others suck Hey, they ALL suck, some just suck more than
others
hvacrmedic
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| papaya 2005-07-30, 8:21 am |
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<handyandy@asmet.org> wrote:[color=darkred]
so which of the major brands seems the most intelligently engineered,
reliable, and technician-friendly to you?
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| Bob Pietrangelo 2005-07-30, 12:21 pm |
| Trane or Rheem
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> <handyandy@asmet.org> wrote:
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> so which of the major brands seems the most intelligently engineered,
> reliable, and technician-friendly to you?
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| Vicki Szaszvari 2005-07-30, 7:21 pm |
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papaya wrote:
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> so which of the major brands seems the most intelligently engineered,
> reliable, and technician-friendly to you?
Mastercool.
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| Carolina Breeze HVAC 2005-07-30, 9:21 pm |
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"Vicki Szaszvari" <vickinREMOVE@usa.net> wrote in message
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> handyandy@asmet.org wrote:
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> LOL! Lummox! Reliable???
GUAAAAAARAAAANTTTEEEEEEED to make you money.
In that sense, VERY.
LOL
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