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Re: New A/C

2005-07-28, 8:21 pm

jj wrote:
> hvacmedic,
>
> Here is a great example for all you closed minded people out there.
> Once upon a time they thought of hydrogen powered vehicles. They said
> no to that because it is to unstable of a system. Now, today, GM has a
> us government funded contract to develop a, wow, hydrogen powered
> vehicle....Technology is a wonderfull thing, so is knowledge.
>
> Which brings be to the next issue. The Maximum theoreticle COP has not
> been tested fully yet. Dont you think that the systems today have more
> maximum theoretical COP and are more effecient than 10 years ago of 5
> years for that matter. There are so many materials that could be used.
> "Rubberband" is used because most people can relate to that thought. So
> think outside the box.
>
> I am not saying this to try to sell this. This is something I have
> noticed in most of all the groups. Everybody thinks they are the only
> person who is right. I think Jake from the other posting finally came
> to a realization. It is funny what happens when one opens ones mind..
> Thanks Jake. And thank you hvacmedic for your input as well.

Read up on Carnot and heat engines. BTW, the same laws of physics apply
to today's refrigerant based systems as when they were invented. There
is nobody saying that a 21SEER system wasn't possible then. There was no
new discovery that led to higher SEER, just better engineering. No
amount of engineering will get your rubber band system above a COP of 1,
it is physically impossible.

I won't reply again, so let the buyer beware, this "new A/C" is a scam
being promoted by those who might as well be selling "just the
possibility" of over-unity devices.

hvacrmedic

hvacrmedic

hvacrmedic

pjm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2005-07-28, 9:21 pm

On 28 Jul 2005 16:22:30 -0700, "jj" <jahtvh@comcast.net> wrote:

>First of all, I am not trying to "scam" anyone. Just putting a bug in
>peoples ears and with the likes of close minded simpletons like you, no
>wonder society is so feared to change.
>
>There are many ways this will work, I proved it in my basement. "Just
>the possibility" is kind of out the window now.......

Sorry, you didn't prove shit.

Unless and until you have a commercially viable prototype,
that can be proven both thermodynamically and economically by
independent 3rd party verification, you haven't 'proven' shit.

>Anyway thanks for your input. I hope others take their blinders off.

You go first.

>
>
>Jason

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pjm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2005-07-28, 9:21 pm

On 28 Jul 2005 16:46:28 -0700, "jj" <jahtvh@comcast.net> wrote:

>No need to curse. Who said I don't have a viable prototype? Do you
>really think I would come this far and not have something to back up a
>piece of paper? lol.

Yep. What, I should know any different about you ? How so,
PFM ?

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Noon-Air

2005-07-28, 10:21 pm

Have you applied for the patent yet?? If this gizmo really has merit, Then
patent it, and sell it to the highest bidder(Dupont)

"jj" <jahtvh@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> No need to curse. Who said I don't have a viable prototype? Do you
> really think I would come this far and not have something to back up a
> piece of paper? lol.
>

2005-07-28, 10:21 pm

Noon-Air wrote:

> Have you applied for the patent yet?? If this gizmo really has merit, Then
> patent it, and sell it to the highest bidder(Dupont)

I'd venture a WAG that it has already been patented, long ago. It's
definitely not new.
He'll probably go for a patent on the vortex tube next, or peltier, or
maybe bromine salts.

hvacrmedic

> "jj" <jahtvh@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
>
>

2005-07-28, 10:21 pm

jj wrote:

> patent# 6,568,196

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...6&RS=PN/6568196

Amazingly, the date on this falls very near the date that this was
discussed on sci.physics, by me.

It's still a stupid idea BTW. Maybe I'll go back and patent some of my
other many unfeasible inventions just to keep people from trying to scam
them.

hvacrmedic

Noon-Air

2005-07-28, 11:21 pm

"jj" <jahtvh@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> patent# 6,568,196
>

Ok, so offer it up to manufacturers of HVAC equipment, and the petrochemical
companies that manufacture refrigerents. If it does have merit, it will get
sucked up.

bill

2005-07-29, 12:21 pm

In article <1122592950.743509.322390@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"jj" <jahtvh@comcast.net> wrote:

> First of all, I am not trying to "scam" anyone. Just putting a bug in
> peoples ears and with the likes of close minded simpletons like you, no
> wonder society is so feared to change.
>
> There are many ways this will work, I proved it in my basement. "Just
> the possibility" is kind of out the window now.......
>
> Anyway thanks for your input. I hope others take their blinders off.

Right.
Your motorized rubberband may wow 3rd graders. Send it MIT. After they
get done laughing they'll explain in detail why you're soft in the head.

--
Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name.

*Hack* *Hack* *hack*

bill

2005-07-29, 12:21 pm

In article <1122594388.270212.4370@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"jj" <jahtvh@comcast.net> wrote:

> No need to curse. Who said I don't have a viable prototype? Do you
> really think I would come this far and not have something to back up a
> piece of paper? lol.

We fully expect a retard like you to have a fully working motorized
rubberband.

Now try to claim heat transfer.

--
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*Hack* *Hack* *hack*

bill

2005-07-29, 12:21 pm

In article <1122597676.361557.26330@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"jj" <jahtvh@comcast.net> wrote:

> patent# 6,568,196

Isn't patent# 6,568,195 for XXX cream? And patent# 6,568,197 for Photon
torpedo's?

--
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*Hack* *Hack* *hack*

B-Hate-Me

2005-07-29, 2:21 pm

"bill" <bill@hvac2.com> wrote in message
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> In article <1122597676.361557.26330@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> "jj" <jahtvh@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Isn't patent# 6,568,195 for XXX cream? And patent# 6,568,197 for Photon
> torpedo's?

I don't know why, but this post cracked me up !

I really did LOL

2005-07-29, 2:21 pm

B-Hate-Me wrote:

> "bill" <bill@hvac2.com> wrote in message
> news:bill-AA8228.10320229072005@news-rdr-03.ohiordc.rr.com...
>
>
>
> I don't know why, but this post cracked me up !
>
> I really did LOL

Did it conjure up the vision of an enema ?

hvacrmedic

pjm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2005-07-29, 6:21 pm

On 29 Jul 2005 13:57:05 -0700, "jj" <jahtvh@comcast.net> wrote:

>Ok tard,
>I guess simple minds are harder to reach. at the point when the
>"rubberband" is strectch you get heat, if that part that is now hot is
>cooled to 'room temp' for arguments sake, and then released you will
>still get the same temp difference but now you are getting it from room
>temp rather then the heated temp. Lets say room temp is 70 degf.
>stretched you get it up to 80 degrees, now instead of the band
>returning to 70 deg. in the retracted section you let the stretched
>part cool to room temp first, than you contract to get your 10 deg
>difference which brings it down to 60 deg., now you cascade this effect
>through the system till you reach the desired temp. These numbers are
>just random numbers but are basically what I achieved.
>
>Anything else knuckle dragger
>
>J

Yeh - blow me, luser.

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bill

2005-07-30, 1:21 am

In article <1122670625.582617.22030@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"jj" <jahtvh@comcast.net> wrote:

> Ok tard,
> I guess simple minds are harder to reach. at the point when the
> "rubberband" is strectch you get heat, if that part that is now hot is
> cooled to 'room temp' for arguments sake, and then released you will
> still get the same temp difference but now you are getting it from room
> temp rather then the heated temp. Lets say room temp is 70 degf.
> stretched you get it up to 80 degrees, now instead of the band
> returning to 70 deg. in the retracted section you let the stretched
> part cool to room temp first, than you contract to get your 10 deg
> difference which brings it down to 60 deg., now you cascade this effect
> through the system till you reach the desired temp. These numbers are
> just random numbers but are basically what I achieved.

We haven't had a nitwit as brain damaged as you since newty.

--
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Charlie@ohio-rses.org

2005-07-30, 7:21 am

>
>We haven't had a nitwit as brain damaged as you since newty.

We still have you William.

DiDo

2005-07-30, 1:21 pm

<pjm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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> On 28 Jul 2005 16:22:30 -0700, "jj" <jahtvh@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Sorry, you didn't prove shit.
>
> Unless and until you have a commercially viable prototype,
> that can be proven both thermodynamically and economically by
> independent 3rd party verification, you haven't 'proven' shit.
>
Paul
Me and you do not see things same way but this time you absolutly right
"independent 3rd party verification"
which presently do not exist. few years back some one came up
with bright idea of ISO 9000 bigest scam of century.
every body got they own way of testing and proving of thier product
but there is no standard procedures to follow every body have they own
so if you know how to put it on paper that is all that metters and
if equipment makes specs. or not it is erelivant.
The way Isee it country made big mistake
elemenating NBS national beuro of standars.
>
>
> You go first.
>
>
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
>
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
>
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
> Free Temperature / Pressure charts for 38 Ref's
> http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/

Oscar_Lives

2005-07-30, 1:21 pm

"DiDo" <a.seput@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>

> few years back some one came up
> with bright idea of ISO 9000 bigest scam of century.
> every body got they own way of testing and proving of thier product
> but there is no standard procedures to follow every body have they own
> so if you know how to put it on paper that is all that metters and
> if equipment makes specs. or not it is erelivant.
> The way Isee it country made big mistake

You are a fucking idiot. Have you not ever heard of ASTM?

Go back to your third-world hell hole. We don't want your kind here.

DiDo

2005-07-31, 11:21 am

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> "DiDo" <a.seput@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> You are a fucking idiot. Have you not ever heard of ASTM?
>
> Go back to your third-world hell hole. We don't want your kind here.

How much work do you do with this people I work with them every day .
Which one of this standards would you like go by, however presently in
USA only one is use? and that is NIST
AA . AASHTO . ACI . AISC . AISI . ASCE . ASM . ASME . ASNT
.. ASQ . ASTM . AWS . AWWA CASTI . DIN . HI . INDUSTRIAL PRESS
.. ISA . MCGRAW-HILL . MSS . NACE . NEMA . NFPA . PLASTICS . SAE . SPE
You may call me whatever you like
but I am not def or blind or stupid or arrogant
as some people claming to be Expert's

Good luck Dido

..

DiDo

2005-07-31, 11:21 am

DiDo

2005-07-31, 11:21 am

Oscar_Lives

2005-07-31, 1:21 pm

"DiDo" <a.seput@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>

> Which one of this standards would you like go by, however presently in
> USA only one is use? and that is NIST
> AA . AASHTO . ACI . AISC . AISI . ASCE . ASM . ASME . ASNT
> . ASQ . ASTM . AWS . AWWA CASTI . DIN . HI . INDUSTRIAL PRESS
> . ISA . MCGRAW-HILL . MSS . NACE . NEMA . NFPA . PLASTICS . SAE . SPE
> You may call me whatever you like
> but I am not def or blind or stupid or arrogant
> as some people claming to be Expert's
>
> Good luck Dido

You seem pretty stupid to me. Although I could pick apart your reply on
every point to show that none of these are testing standards, I'll just tell
you I am laughing out loud to hear you talk about the "McGraw-Hill" Testing
standards.

What a fucking idiot.

BTW: Learn some English or go back home.

Oscar_Died

2005-07-31, 1:21 pm

"DiDo" wrote:

>"Oscar_Lives" wrote

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>
>
>How much work do you do with this people I work with them every day .
>Which one of this standards would you like go by, however presently in
>USA only one is use? and that is NIST
>AA . AASHTO . ACI . AISC . AISI . ASCE . ASM . ASME . ASNT
>. ASQ . ASTM . AWS . AWWA CASTI . DIN . HI . INDUSTRIAL PRESS
>. ISA . MCGRAW-HILL . MSS . NACE . NEMA . NFPA . PLASTICS . SAE . SPE
>You may call me whatever you like
>but I am not def or blind or stupid or arrogant
>as some people claming to be Expert's
>
>Good luck Dido
>
>

Dido, don't let these assholes get to you. No explanations of your experiences
or creditentials are needed.

Oscar may think he Lives, actually he's been brain dead since birth.

Oscar_Lives

2005-07-31, 1:21 pm

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> "DiDo" wrote:
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>
>
>
> Dido, don't let these assholes get to you. No explanations of your
> experiences
> or creditentials are needed.
>
> Oscar may think he Lives, actually he's been brain dead since birth.

Who are you? Dido's gay lover, daddy, or both?

pjm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2005-07-31, 2:21 pm

The EasyNews morpher strikes again.

What a fucking moron.

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> "DiDo" wrote:
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>Dido, don't let these assholes get to you. No explanations of your experiences
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>
>Oscar may think he Lives, actually he's been brain dead since birth.

Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!

http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/

Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
Free Temperature / Pressure charts for 38 Ref's http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/

Oscar_Died

2005-07-31, 2:21 pm

"Oscar_Lives" wrote:

>
>Who are you?
>

Lets just say I'm someone in Missouri's Vo-Tech system a little higher up the
food chain than you.

Your personal views and forms of expression seem to be lacking in the
professionalism you claim to be teaching.

Oscar_Lives

2005-07-31, 3:21 pm

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> "Oscar_Lives" wrote:
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> Lets just say I'm someone in Missouri's Vo-Tech system a little higher up
> the
> food chain than you.
>
> Your personal views and forms of expression seem to be lacking in the
> professionalism you claim to be teaching.

Really? Are you the #1 chief Vo-Tech teacher?

HTIC? (Head Teacher in Charge)?

pjm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2005-07-31, 3:21 pm

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>Lets just say I'm someone in Missouri's Vo-Tech system a little higher up the
>food chain than you.

Let's just say you're some XXXXXXX who morphs his ID to stir
up shit. And who's dick you suck really doesn't impress us.

>
>Your personal views and forms of expression seem to be lacking in the
>professionalism you claim to be teaching.

And you are a fuckwit morpher.

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'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
Free Temperature / Pressure charts for 38 Ref's http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/

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