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| Jim W. 2006-01-14, 4:21 pm |
| Been reading HVAC archives, current posts. Often see posts saying stuff from
one company is better then that from another's
Appears many of the companies mentioned make a range of iron spanning from
builders grade on up. Also appears that some companies are better known
for the low end stuff, others their top of line. When I read a post that
doesn't mention a product line and just say's, for example, Trane is better
then Bryant, I wonder if that makes sense. Is a Trane XB unit actually
better then a Bryant Evolution unit?
Jim
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| On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:42:57 -0500, " Jim W." <wwwss@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Been reading HVAC archives, current posts. Often see posts saying stuff from
>one company is better then that from another's
>
>Appears many of the companies mentioned make a range of iron spanning from
>builders grade on up. Also appears that some companies are better known
>for the low end stuff, others their top of line. When I read a post that
>doesn't mention a product line and just say's, for example, Trane is better
>then Bryant, I wonder if that makes sense. Is a Trane XB unit actually
>better then a Bryant Evolution unit?
>
>Jim
>
Bryant sucks worse than the retard who is going to tell you where to
post shortly.
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| Rusht Limpalless 2006-01-14, 4:21 pm |
| The best is goodman. You can buy it on line and save a bundle!!! No need to
use joe-XXX-crack the hvac dropout to install.
" Jim W." <wwwss@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Been reading HVAC archives, current posts. Often see posts saying stuff
> from
> one company is better then that from another's
>
> Appears many of the companies mentioned make a range of iron spanning from
> builders grade on up. Also appears that some companies are better known
> for the low end stuff, others their top of line. When I read a post that
> doesn't mention a product line and just say's, for example, Trane is
> better
> then Bryant, I wonder if that makes sense. Is a Trane XB unit actually
> better then a Bryant Evolution unit?
>
> Jim
>
>
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| LOL
"ftwhd" <ftwhd@home.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:42:57 -0500, " Jim W." <wwwss@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
from[color=darkred]
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better[color=darkred]
> Bryant sucks worse than the retard who is going to tell you where to
> post shortly.
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| On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:57:30 -0500, ftwhd <ftwhd@home.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:42:57 -0500, " Jim W." <wwwss@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Bryant sucks worse than the retard who is going to tell you where to
>post shortly.
Expert advice from Mikey the union putz who wouldnt know what to do
with a resi unit if it fell from the sky and bashed his head in. He
does however know how to fuck off on company time, climb under a desk
faster than anyone, drink lots of coffee and smoke packs of cigarettes
all day long on company time.
Bubba
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| butch burton 2006-01-14, 8:21 pm |
| "The best is goodman. You can buy it on line and save a bundle!!! No
need to
use joe-XXX-crack the hvac dropout to install."
Oh what a great comment - I hope it fries more than a few
joe-XXX-cracks!
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| Nowhere in his post did he say that he wanted to buy or install it himself.
"Rusht Limpalless" <Silent"R"Gary@Oxycdones.comm> wrote in message
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> The best is goodman. You can buy it on line and save a bundle!!! No need
to
> use joe-XXX-crack the hvac dropout to install.
> " Jim W." <wwwss@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Wwcyf.172$bF.142@dukeread07...
from[color=darkred]
known[color=darkred]
that[color=darkred]
>
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| gofish@gonefishin.net 2006-01-15, 10:21 am |
| " Jim W." <wwwss@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Been reading HVAC archives, current posts. Often see posts saying stuff from
>one company is better then that from another's
>
>Appears many of the companies mentioned make a range of iron spanning from
>builders grade on up. Also appears that some companies are better known
>for the low end stuff, others their top of line. When I read a post that
>doesn't mention a product line and just say's, for example, Trane is better
>then Bryant, I wonder if that makes sense. Is a Trane XB unit actually
>better then a Bryant Evolution unit?
>
>Jim
>
What does it say about a manufacturer who takes the time & trouble to
bake a powder coat finish on the screws it uses to assemble its
products? Even the lowly XB. Or maybe uses heavier guage steel for
its equipment enclosures.
Which is better? bells & whistles or reliability?
You can read this ng til you're blue in the face, and the one major
tidbit of missing info you'll never see is the numerous service
manager bulletins on the carrier/bryant product line.
What better place to work the bugs out of your new furnace/air
conditioner/zoning system than on the unsuspecting general public.
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| LOL I have 4 large books filled with Carrier service bulletins. I love
Carrier, I'm still making money from their aluminum coil fiasco.
<gofish@gonefishin.net> wrote in message
news:hojks19e90qdn05mphf9ovcfl2bojpm3v2@4ax.com...
> " Jim W." <wwwss@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
from[color=darkred]
from[color=darkred]
that[color=darkred]
better[color=darkred]
>
> What does it say about a manufacturer who takes the time & trouble to
> bake a powder coat finish on the screws it uses to assemble its
> products? Even the lowly XB. Or maybe uses heavier guage steel for
> its equipment enclosures.
>
> Which is better? bells & whistles or reliability?
>
> You can read this ng til you're blue in the face, and the one major
> tidbit of missing info you'll never see is the numerous service
> manager bulletins on the carrier/bryant product line.
>
> What better place to work the bugs out of your new furnace/air
> conditioner/zoning system than on the unsuspecting general public.
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| udarrell 2006-01-15, 2:21 pm |
| Bob wrote:
>LOL I have 4 large books filled with Carrier service bulletins. I love
>Carrier, I'm still making money from their aluminum coil fiasco.
>
><gofish@gonefishin.net> wrote in message
>news:hojks19e90qdn05mphf9ovcfl2bojpm3v2@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
Decades ago, they paid more for Carrier and Bryant (AL coils), I
witnessed a ton of service work on both Brands.
The old round Carrier's were hell to work on. (Just opinion of them.)
So, what's in a brand name?
You can pay a lot more for the Brand Name and not get more, --except for
more expenses
- udarrell
--
PROPER A/C UNIT & DUCT SIZING ESSENTIAL for EFFICIENCY & BTUH PERFORMANCE
http://www.udarrell.com/proper_cfm_...ng_systems.html
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| udarrell 2006-01-15, 2:21 pm |
| Rusht Limpalless wrote:
>The best is Goodman. You can buy it on line and save a bundle!!! No need to
>use joe-XXX-crack the hvac dropout to install.
>" Jim W." <wwwss@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:Wwcyf.172$bF.142@dukeread07.
>
>
Buying on line is a very bad idea!
We are NOT all crack-pots!
Buy through a good contractor and get it installed so it will perform
properly and last for 20 years or more.
Interview the contractor and the installer before you spend your money.
Also, get a written estimate with everything listed on it that they are
going to check and do!
Learn all you can so you can select a good contractor. - udarrell
--
PROPER A/C UNIT & DUCT SIZING ESSENTIAL for EFFICIENCY & BTUH PERFORMANCE
http://www.udarrell.com/proper_cfm_...ng_systems.html
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| Jim W. 2006-01-15, 5:21 pm |
| Notice the ratio of positive to neg posts for Trane is pretty good for Trane
but less so for Carrier/Bryant.
Reason I'm trying to come up to speed is thinking abt replacing my 'long in
the tooth' outdoor unit. I've got a relative new Carrier indoor coil.
(CD5A) Would be easier to match it to a Carrier or Bryant unit but it
sounds like there will probably be less problems with Trane.
<gofish@gonefishin.net> wrote in message
news:hojks19e90qdn05mphf9ovcfl2bojpm3v2@4ax.com...
" Jim W." <wwwss@yahoo.com> wrote:
What does it say about a manufacturer who takes the time & trouble to
bake a powder coat finish on the screws it uses to assemble its
products? Even the lowly XB. Or maybe uses heavier guage steel for
its equipment enclosures.
Which is better? bells & whistles or reliability?
You can read this ng til you're blue in the face, and the one major
tidbit of missing info you'll never see is the numerous service
manager bulletins on the carrier/bryant product line.
What better place to work the bugs out of your new furnace/air
conditioner/zoning system than on the unsuspecting general public.
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| Just put him in your kill file.
"udarrell" <anonymous@anonymous.com> wrote in message
news:43ca8a68$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> Rusht Limpalless wrote:
>
to[color=darkred]
> Buying on line is a very bad idea!
> We are NOT all crack-pots!
>
> Buy through a good contractor and get it installed so it will perform
> properly and last for 20 years or more.
> Interview the contractor and the installer before you spend your money.
> Also, get a written estimate with everything listed on it that they are
> going to check and do!
>
> Learn all you can so you can select a good contractor. - udarrell
>
> --
> PROPER A/C UNIT & DUCT SIZING ESSENTIAL for EFFICIENCY & BTUH PERFORMANCE
>
http://www.udarrell.com/proper_cfm_...ng_systems.html
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| People pay more for Puron than they do for R-410A. LOL
"udarrell" <anonymous@anonymous.com> wrote in message
news:43ca8848_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> Bob wrote:
>
to[color=darkred]
> Decades ago, they paid more for Carrier and Bryant (AL coils), I
> witnessed a ton of service work on both Brands.
> The old round Carrier's were hell to work on. (Just opinion of them.)
> So, what's in a brand name?
> You can pay a lot more for the Brand Name and not get more, --except for
> more expenses
> - udarrell
>
> --
> PROPER A/C UNIT & DUCT SIZING ESSENTIAL for EFFICIENCY & BTUH PERFORMANCE
>
http://www.udarrell.com/proper_cfm_...ng_systems.html
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| Does your system have R-22 or Puron?
" Jim W." <wwwss@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:SGyyf.1852$bF.859@dukeread07...
> Notice the ratio of positive to neg posts for Trane is pretty good for
Trane
> but less so for Carrier/Bryant.
>
> Reason I'm trying to come up to speed is thinking abt replacing my 'long
in
> the tooth' outdoor unit. I've got a relative new Carrier indoor coil.
> (CD5A) Would be easier to match it to a Carrier or Bryant unit but it
> sounds like there will probably be less problems with Trane.
>
>
> <gofish@gonefishin.net> wrote in message
> news:hojks19e90qdn05mphf9ovcfl2bojpm3v2@4ax.com...
> " Jim W." <wwwss@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> What does it say about a manufacturer who takes the time & trouble to
> bake a powder coat finish on the screws it uses to assemble its
> products? Even the lowly XB. Or maybe uses heavier guage steel for
> its equipment enclosures.
>
> Which is better? bells & whistles or reliability?
>
> You can read this ng til you're blue in the face, and the one major
> tidbit of missing info you'll never see is the numerous service
> manager bulletins on the carrier/bryant product line.
>
> What better place to work the bugs out of your new furnace/air
> conditioner/zoning system than on the unsuspecting general public.
>
>
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| Jim W. 2006-01-15, 7:21 pm |
| By 'long in the tooth' outdoor unit I meant old ~ 30 years old and
definitely not Puron
"Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Does your system have R-22 or Puron?
" Jim W." <wwwss@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:SGyyf.1852$bF.859@dukeread07...
> Notice the ratio of positive to neg posts for Trane is pretty good for
Trane
> but less so for Carrier/Bryant.
>
> Reason I'm trying to come up to speed is thinking abt replacing my 'long
in
> the tooth' outdoor unit. I've got a relative new Carrier indoor coil.
> (CD5A) Would be easier to match it to a Carrier or Bryant unit but it
> sounds like there will probably be less problems with Trane.
>
>
> <gofish@gonefishin.net> wrote in message
> news:hojks19e90qdn05mphf9ovcfl2bojpm3v2@4ax.com...
> " Jim W." <wwwss@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> What does it say about a manufacturer who takes the time & trouble to
> bake a powder coat finish on the screws it uses to assemble its
> products? Even the lowly XB. Or maybe uses heavier guage steel for
> its equipment enclosures.
>
> Which is better? bells & whistles or reliability?
>
> You can read this ng til you're blue in the face, and the one major
> tidbit of missing info you'll never see is the numerous service
> manager bulletins on the carrier/bryant product line.
>
> What better place to work the bugs out of your new furnace/air
> conditioner/zoning system than on the unsuspecting general public.
>
>
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| If this is straight a/c, you can put in almost any brand. I've matched
Carrier coils with Bryant/Payne, and also Rheem/Ruud. Get the highest seer
you can afford.
" Jim W." <wwwss@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:TCAyf.2377$bF.1192@dukeread07...
> By 'long in the tooth' outdoor unit I meant old ~ 30 years old and
> definitely not Puron
>
>
> "Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:8cWdnbXJ1K-BT1fenZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Does your system have R-22 or Puron?
>
> " Jim W." <wwwss@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:SGyyf.1852$bF.859@dukeread07...
> Trane
> in
>
>
>
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Bob wrote:
> If this is straight a/c, you can put in almost any brand. I've matched
> Carrier coils with Bryant/Payne, and also Rheem/Ruud. Get the highest seer
> you can afford.
Mating and matching aren't the same. That's why the divorce courts are
full.
hvacrmedic
>
> " Jim W." <wwwss@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:TCAyf.2377$bF.1192@dukeread07...
>
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>
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| Bubba 2006-01-15, 11:21 pm |
| Bob,
You are now an admitted hack. Mix matching coils to different A/Cs is
complete hackery. Try finding the specs, btu's, sensible and latent
numbers on your match ups in the ARI directory.
Cant be done. You lose.
Bubba
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:15:28 -0500, "Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote:
>If this is straight a/c, you can put in almost any brand. I've matched
>Carrier coils with Bryant/Payne, and also Rheem/Ruud. Get the highest seer
>you can afford.
>
>" Jim W." <wwwss@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:TCAyf.2377$bF.1192@dukeread07...
>
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| Jim W. 2006-01-16, 12:21 am |
| >Mix matching coils - Can't be done.
Better tell the manufactures that coils can't be mixed so they stop
providing multipliers in product tech data sheets.
"Bubba >" <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com> wrote in message
news:jo0ms1tphnedofnmsll1ismn0tjapkioh1@4ax.com...
Bob,
You are now an admitted hack. Mix matching coils to different A/Cs is
complete hackery. Try finding the specs, btu's, sensible and latent
numbers on your match ups in the ARI directory.
Cant be done. You lose.
Bubba
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:15:28 -0500, "Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote:
>If this is straight a/c, you can put in almost any brand. I've matched
>Carrier coils with Bryant/Payne, and also Rheem/Ruud. Get the highest seer
>you can afford.
>
>" Jim W." <wwwss@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:TCAyf.2377$bF.1192@dukeread07...
>
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Jim W. wrote:
>
>
> Better tell the manufactures that coils can't be mixed so they stop
> providing multipliers in product tech data sheets.
He probably meant "*mismatching* coils."
By definition this can't be done by ARI standards, or else they would no
longer be mismatched, eh?
hvacrmedic
> "Bubba >" <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com> wrote in message
> news:jo0ms1tphnedofnmsll1ismn0tjapkioh1@4ax.com...
> Bob,
> You are now an admitted hack. Mix matching coils to different A/Cs is
> complete hackery. Try finding the specs, btu's, sensible and latent
> numbers on your match ups in the ARI directory.
> Cant be done. You lose.
> Bubba
>
> On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:15:28 -0500, "Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
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| Bubba 2006-01-16, 10:21 am |
| Let me make it a little clearer.
You cant mix a Trane air conditioner with a Rheem evaporator coil.
Can you make it work? Sure. Will you find data for it. No.
Then wait till you have a strange problem with it. Call up your Trane
tech support and tell them you matched it up with a Rheem indoor coil.
"Sorry, cant help you sir."
Bubba
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 22:31:03 -0500, " Jim W." <wwwss@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Better tell the manufactures that coils can't be mixed so they stop
>providing multipliers in product tech data sheets.
>
>
>
>
>"Bubba >" <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com> wrote in message
>news:jo0ms1tphnedofnmsll1ismn0tjapkioh1@4ax.com...
>Bob,
>You are now an admitted hack. Mix matching coils to different A/Cs is
>complete hackery. Try finding the specs, btu's, sensible and latent
>numbers on your match ups in the ARI directory.
>Cant be done. You lose.
>Bubba
>
>On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:15:28 -0500, "Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
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| Jim W. 2006-01-16, 7:21 pm |
| Understand your point Bubba and it make sense.
But OTOH: If you have an old matched system and the indoor coil is replaced
with a good modern coil. There's a good chance that it will be positive in
every way.
I [currently] have a York HP that was installed in the late 70's. bout 10
years ago I swapped out the old York coil with a new Carrier coil. Since
the old HP is still running 30+ years later, it clearly didn't stress it.
In fact from the lower current draw it registered after the coil swap, most
likely the swap extended it's [the HP] life
JW
"Bubba >" <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com> wrote in message
news:8c7ns11jghfhnrmtjlnp831jb0bvci42qh@4ax.com...
Let me make it a little clearer.
You cant mix a Trane air conditioner with a Rheem evaporator coil.
Can you make it work? Sure. Will you find data for it. No.
Then wait till you have a strange problem with it. Call up your Trane
tech support and tell them you matched it up with a Rheem indoor coil.
"Sorry, cant help you sir."
Bubba
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 22:31:03 -0500, " Jim W." <wwwss@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Better tell the manufactures that coils can't be mixed so they stop
>providing multipliers in product tech data sheets.
>
>
>
>
>"Bubba >" <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com> wrote in message
>news:jo0ms1tphnedofnmsll1ismn0tjapkioh1@4ax.com...
>Bob,
>You are now an admitted hack. Mix matching coils to different A/Cs is
>complete hackery. Try finding the specs, btu's, sensible and latent
>numbers on your match ups in the ARI directory.
>Cant be done. You lose.
>Bubba
>
>On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:15:28 -0500, "Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
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| Just as long as you understand. :-)
Bubba
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:11:18 -0500, " Jim W." <wwwss@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Understand your point Bubba and it make sense.
>
>But OTOH: If you have an old matched system and the indoor coil is replaced
>with a good modern coil. There's a good chance that it will be positive in
>every way.
>
>I [currently] have a York HP that was installed in the late 70's. bout 10
>years ago I swapped out the old York coil with a new Carrier coil. Since
>the old HP is still running 30+ years later, it clearly didn't stress it.
>In fact from the lower current draw it registered after the coil swap, most
>likely the swap extended it's [the HP] life
>
>JW
>
>
>"Bubba >" <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com> wrote in message
>news:8c7ns11jghfhnrmtjlnp831jb0bvci42qh@4ax.com...
>Let me make it a little clearer.
>You cant mix a Trane air conditioner with a Rheem evaporator coil.
>Can you make it work? Sure. Will you find data for it. No.
>Then wait till you have a strange problem with it. Call up your Trane
>tech support and tell them you matched it up with a Rheem indoor coil.
>"Sorry, cant help you sir."
>Bubba
>
>On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 22:31:03 -0500, " Jim W." <wwwss@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
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