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oil heater tripping relay/tech was here twice
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| Had the heater tech out twice in the last 3 weeks.
Problem is when the heater calls for heat, 1 time
out of 50-75 the burner fails to light, then trips
the relay. I go down and hit the button. It usually fires
within the next 6-8 seconds and then I have no trouble
for a while. Of course the unburned smoke gets in the house.
Temps around mid 40's day, 30's nite. Changed
filters, nozzle, blew line out, and set electrodes twice,
but failed again to fire this early am. Pump pressure was fine
according to him. No warranty left now, been 30 days.
Any ideas, I was going to replace the cad cell on my own.
Bruce
bcramer1@hotmail.com
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| Did he check the ignition transformer?
P.S. If someone here is obnoxious to you, just put them in your block sender
list.
"BC" <bcramer1@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:oyrCf.7$pO2.3@trndny09...
> Had the heater tech out twice in the last 3 weeks.
> Problem is when the heater calls for heat, 1 time
> out of 50-75 the burner fails to light, then trips
> the relay. I go down and hit the button. It usually fires
> within the next 6-8 seconds and then I have no trouble
> for a while. Of course the unburned smoke gets in the house.
> Temps around mid 40's day, 30's nite. Changed
> filters, nozzle, blew line out, and set electrodes twice,
> but failed again to fire this early am. Pump pressure was fine
> according to him. No warranty left now, been 30 days.
> Any ideas, I was going to replace the cad cell on my own.
> Bruce
> bcramer1@hotmail.com
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-01-27, 1:21 pm |
| On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:06:44 GMT, BC <bcramer1@hotmail.com> wrote:
Call a different tech. DO not fuck with it yourself.
>Had the heater tech out twice in the last 3 weeks.
>Problem is when the heater calls for heat, 1 time
>out of 50-75 the burner fails to light, then trips
>the relay. I go down and hit the button. It usually fires
>within the next 6-8 seconds and then I have no trouble
>for a while. Of course the unburned smoke gets in the house.
>Temps around mid 40's day, 30's nite. Changed
>filters, nozzle, blew line out, and set electrodes twice,
>but failed again to fire this early am. Pump pressure was fine
>according to him. No warranty left now, been 30 days.
>Any ideas, I was going to replace the cad cell on my own.
>Bruce
>bcramer1@hotmail.com
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| When I was under the house with him, no. But I did have to leave after
10 minutes. Nothing on the bill about it. He did tilt the
top of the (burner?) up to check how far the arc jumped.
1 1/2"
Bruce
> Did he check the ignition transformer?
> P.S. If someone here is obnoxious to you, just put them in your block sender
> list.
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> "BC" <bcramer1@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:oyrCf.7$pO2.3@trndny09...
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| When I was under the house with him, no. But I did have to leave after
10 minutes. Nothing on the bill about it. He did tilt the
top of the (burner?) up to check how far the arc jumped.
1 1/2" He did mention on the bill if the problem persists, the
fuel system will have to be cleaned or replaced...approx$500.
But the pressure checked out fine according to him both times
which seems to me to say the pump is within specs and working as it should.
Thanks again,
Bruce
> Did he check the ignition transformer?
> P.S. If someone here is obnoxious to you, just put them in your block sender
> list.
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> "BC" <bcramer1@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:oyrCf.7$pO2.3@trndny09...
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-01-27, 7:21 pm |
| On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:36:52 GMT, BC <bcramer1@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>When I was under the house with him, no. But I did have to leave after
>10 minutes. Nothing on the bill about it. He did tilt the
>top of the (burner?) up to check how far the arc jumped.
>1 1/2" He did mention on the bill if the problem persists, the
>fuel system will have to be cleaned or replaced...approx$500.
>But the pressure checked out fine according to him both times
>which seems to me to say the pump is within specs and working as it should.
>Thanks again,
>Bruce
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Shut the fuck up, XXXXXXX. Unless maybe you can borrow enough
brains to tell him to post in THE RIGHT FUCKING GROUP, alt.home.repair
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| That should be enough spark. If you don't have a delayed oil valve and it
takes 6 to 8 seconds, then you either have too much combustion air, the
electrodes or nozzle assembly are set wrong, or there's air in the oil line.
This is a typical call back. You shouldn't have to pay unless they fixed the
original problem, and this is a new problem.
"BC" <bcramer1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> When I was under the house with him, no. But I did have to leave after
> 10 minutes. Nothing on the bill about it. He did tilt the
> top of the (burner?) up to check how far the arc jumped.
> 1 1/2"
> Bruce
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news:oyrCf.7$pO2.3@trndny09...[color=darkred]
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| That doesn't mean the pump is good. They have an internal check valve that
supposed to hold the oil in place. Did he
turn the burner off and check to see if it held at least 80psi? If you have
an oil filter and good clean oil flow, then don't spend $500. If they insist
that's the problem, then pick up the phone and call someone else.
"BC" <bcramer1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> When I was under the house with him, no. But I did have to leave after
> 10 minutes. Nothing on the bill about it. He did tilt the
> top of the (burner?) up to check how far the arc jumped.
> 1 1/2" He did mention on the bill if the problem persists, the
> fuel system will have to be cleaned or replaced...approx$500.
> But the pressure checked out fine according to him both times
> which seems to me to say the pump is within specs and working as it
should.[color=darkred]
> Thanks again,
> Bruce
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news:oyrCf.7$pO2.3@trndny09...[color=darkred]
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Great info, thanks for your time.
Bruce
> That should be enough spark. If you don't have a delayed oil valve and it
> takes 6 to 8 seconds, then you either have too much combustion air, the
> electrodes or nozzle assembly are set wrong, or there's air in the oil line.
> This is a typical call back. You shouldn't have to pay unless they fixed the
> original problem, and this is a new problem.
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> "BC" <bcramer1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| CBHVAC 2006-01-27, 9:21 pm |
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"BC" <bcramer1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Great info, thanks for your time.
> Bruce
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He also forgot to tell you that if the Suntek pumps really bad, it should be
replaced, with a new drive assembly, and should cost you no more than $200
tops, since the pumps cheap...
He also forgot to tell you that if they didnt do a combustion air check
after all the other work, they took your money and ran.
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Thank you for your reply, point noted!
Bruce
> He also forgot to tell you that if the Suntek pumps really bad, it should be
> replaced, with a new drive assembly, and should cost you no more than $200
> tops, since the pumps cheap...
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> He also forgot to tell you that if they didnt do a combustion air check
> after all the other work, they took your money and ran.
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Thank you for your reply, point noted!
No air check, only his one bag of tools were taken from the truck.
I should note that the bottom of my oil tank is about 3ft above the
burner/pump assembly. So I wouldn't think the check valve could be bad,
but I AM going to pull it and clean it out. I installed this unit new
12 yrs ago. (crawl space Ducane)with a webster m34DJ-3 pump.
Not a lick of problems for 10 yrs,
then 1 reset 2 winters ago, 3 resets last winter, and 5 so far this winter.
Thanks for all your help.
Bruce
> He also forgot to tell you that if the Suntek pumps really bad, it should be
> replaced, with a new drive assembly, and should cost you no more than $200
> tops, since the pumps cheap...
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> He also forgot to tell you that if they didnt do a combustion air check
> after all the other work, they took your money and ran.
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-01-27, 10:21 pm |
| Complete and utter horseshit 'info'.
The clueless fuckwit below has no CLUE what's wrong with it,
and he's just pulling more garbage out of his XXX about 'not paying
for it' and' typical callback' etc.
What a fucking moron.
You better pray to whatever gods you believe in you don't take
his advice.
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:16:43 GMT, BC <bcramer1@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Great info, thanks for your time.
>Bruce
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| CBHVAC 2006-01-27, 10:21 pm |
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"BC" <bcramer1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Thank you for your reply, point noted!
> No air check, only his one bag of tools were taken from the truck.
> I should note that the bottom of my oil tank is about 3ft above the
> burner/pump assembly. So I wouldn't think the check valve could be bad,
> but I AM going to pull it and clean it out. I installed this unit new
> 12 yrs ago. (crawl space Ducane)with a webster m34DJ-3 pump.
> Not a lick of problems for 10 yrs,
> then 1 reset 2 winters ago, 3 resets last winter, and 5 so far this
> winter.
> Thanks for all your help.
> Bruce
Chances are, you have a bad transformer. Seen em arc over 2 inchs, but thats
NOT the way to check them.
You said he changed the electrodes..but did he make sure that the
transformer had GOOD contact with them? Did he clean the transformer contact
points with emery cloth and insure that when it was set back on the rods,
the rods were in the CORRECT location and snug if its got a button, or a
snap fit connetor, or if its got a spring connector that the spring wasnt
popping off to the side?
Did he set the electrodes with his eye, or the correct gauge that fits over
the end of the nozzle to insure that the rods are located the correct
distance back?
Did he put in the correct nozzle, with the CORRECT pattern of spray, or did
he just go to the truck and grab one that had the same flow rate?
No one, and I mean NO ONE can diagnose this over the net, but instead, must
take wild XXX guesses on it.
I would suggest, that you contact a licenced and insured company, that is
NOT in the oil business, and ask for their most experenced oil tech, and ask
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| CBHVAC 2006-01-27, 11:21 pm |
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<.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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> Complete and utter horseshit 'info'.
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> The clueless fuckwit below has no CLUE what's wrong with it,
> and he's just pulling more garbage out of his XXX about 'not paying
> for it' and' typical callback' etc.
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> What a fucking moron.
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> You better pray to whatever gods you believe in you don't take
> his advice.
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Agreed.
Bobs got good intent, but hes actually doing more harm than good.
Notice the moron thanked a spammer that has no true regged domain for spam.
Guys like Bob are a dime a dozen, and most keep us real busy fixing their
fuckups.
> On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:16:43 GMT, BC <bcramer1@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
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> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
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| Jim Bean 2006-01-28, 12:21 am |
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..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> Complete and utter horseshit 'info'.
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> The clueless fuckwit below has no CLUE what's wrong with it,
> and he's just pulling more garbage out of his XXX about 'not paying
> for it' and' typical callback' etc.
>
> What a fucking moron.
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> You better pray to whatever gods you believe in you don't take
> his advice.
Then offer some realistic advice of your own. Don't be a fucking
useless POS. Guaranteed there have been more than one HVAC tech who
have fucked over your so called home-moaner. Why don't you realize
this and deal with it. You've probably done it too, so admit it and
quit slamming your fellow tradesmen.
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