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Alt.Hvac name change?

komobu

2006-01-27, 3:21 am

It seems to me, that alt.hvac should change it's name. There are those
who want a group that is only for members in the HVAC trade. There are
also those who want a group for any and all who have a legitimate HVAC
question. I can see both sides.

The prevailing remark to outsiders is to take it to alt.home.repair. It
would not occur to me to post an HVAC question in Home repair if I am
soliciting responses from people that are in the HVAC trade.
True...HVAC pros also read Alt.HomeRepair. So do some doctors...does
that mean I should ask for medical advice there? When an HVAC system
can easily cost 40% or more of ones yearly salary, I can understand why
they would have a lot of questions.

I understand those that are in the trade want a place where folks with
the same interests as them can hang out and discuss the latest trends
in the trade. They want to read posts that are stimulating and spark
interest in their chosen profession, along with the latest trends in
their trade. They do not want to be bombarded with "Which furnace is
better" ...and "How do I adjust my thermostat".

No matter how much you would like folks to read the FAQ or Charter for
the group....It will never happen!!! Face it....Less than one percent
will actually read a newsgroup faq or charter. Not to mention the point
that there are a lot of bogus ones floating around on the internet.

I think the current name could change to "Alt.Hvac.Industrial" The name
alone would tell any outsider that this group is for those in the
industrial side. Posters to this group would most likely consist of
those that are HVAC employees.

Another group could be set up called Alt.HVAC.Residential. Posters to
this group would most likely be home owners and apartment managers. The
HVAC professionals would then have the choice to assist home owners or
to not be bothered with them.

Is it possible to set up folders in this group for Alt.Hvac.Industrial
and Alt.HVAC.Residential? How much work is involved? How about it
Paul....you are the informal nominated and chosen computer guru of this
group. If this was to be accomplished, I think it would speak volumns
to bringing the group back together again in the spirit of which it was
originally created.

Just my humble thoughts.
Pat

MechAcc

2006-01-27, 8:21 am

No matter what name you come up with those not in the trade will think
they have the right to post questions just because they own a computer
and rules do not apply to them.

One person posting over at sci.engr.heat-vent-ac was talking about how
he was changing gas pressure on his furnace for better efficiency on
his furnace yet had no clue what an electronic co/combustion meter is
and what the safe co limits in the flue are. He believes that as long
as the co is in the flue its no problem and sees no correlation with
high co to poor efficiency.

The only truly moderated hvac discussion board is over at
http://www.firedragonent.com/ You have to register with George and he
scrutinizes those that wish to register. You even smell like a home
owner asking questions and its bye bye. Privileges rescinded.

Bob

2006-01-27, 10:21 am

A new group should be started called alt.hvac.advice, and all the
knowledgeable techs can move there. Then the name of this group can be
changed to alt.hvac.assholes.only

"komobu" <curranpg@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138343650.515095.193940@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> It seems to me, that alt.hvac should change it's name. There are those
> who want a group that is only for members in the HVAC trade. There are
> also those who want a group for any and all who have a legitimate HVAC
> question. I can see both sides.
>
> The prevailing remark to outsiders is to take it to alt.home.repair. It
> would not occur to me to post an HVAC question in Home repair if I am
> soliciting responses from people that are in the HVAC trade.
> True...HVAC pros also read Alt.HomeRepair. So do some doctors...does
> that mean I should ask for medical advice there? When an HVAC system
> can easily cost 40% or more of ones yearly salary, I can understand why
> they would have a lot of questions.
>
> I understand those that are in the trade want a place where folks with
> the same interests as them can hang out and discuss the latest trends
> in the trade. They want to read posts that are stimulating and spark
> interest in their chosen profession, along with the latest trends in
> their trade. They do not want to be bombarded with "Which furnace is
> better" ...and "How do I adjust my thermostat".
>
> No matter how much you would like folks to read the FAQ or Charter for
> the group....It will never happen!!! Face it....Less than one percent
> will actually read a newsgroup faq or charter. Not to mention the point
> that there are a lot of bogus ones floating around on the internet.
>
> I think the current name could change to "Alt.Hvac.Industrial" The name
> alone would tell any outsider that this group is for those in the
> industrial side. Posters to this group would most likely consist of
> those that are HVAC employees.
>
> Another group could be set up called Alt.HVAC.Residential. Posters to
> this group would most likely be home owners and apartment managers. The
> HVAC professionals would then have the choice to assist home owners or
> to not be bothered with them.
>
> Is it possible to set up folders in this group for Alt.Hvac.Industrial
> and Alt.HVAC.Residential? How much work is involved? How about it
> Paul....you are the informal nominated and chosen computer guru of this
> group. If this was to be accomplished, I think it would speak volumns
> to bringing the group back together again in the spirit of which it was
> originally created.
>
> Just my humble thoughts.
> Pat
>

Bob

2006-01-27, 10:21 am

Seeing as this is a public newsgroup, everyone has the right to ask
questions, and others have the right to not answer the question.

"MechAcc" <mechacc@essex1.com> wrote in message
news:1138360571.945753.20740@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> No matter what name you come up with those not in the trade will think
> they have the right to post questions just because they own a computer
> and rules do not apply to them.
>
> One person posting over at sci.engr.heat-vent-ac was talking about how
> he was changing gas pressure on his furnace for better efficiency on
> his furnace yet had no clue what an electronic co/combustion meter is
> and what the safe co limits in the flue are. He believes that as long
> as the co is in the flue its no problem and sees no correlation with
> high co to poor efficiency.
>
> The only truly moderated hvac discussion board is over at
> http://www.firedragonent.com/ You have to register with George and he
> scrutinizes those that wish to register. You even smell like a home
> owner asking questions and its bye bye. Privileges rescinded.
>

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2006-01-27, 11:21 am

On 26 Jan 2006 22:34:10 -0800, "komobu" <curranpg@gmail.com> wrote:

>It seems to me, that alt.hvac should change it's name. There are those
>who want a group that is only for members in the HVAC trade. There are
>also those who want a group for any and all who have a legitimate HVAC
>question. I can see both sides.
>
>The prevailing remark to outsiders is to take it to alt.home.repair. It
>would not occur to me to post an HVAC question in Home repair if I am
>soliciting responses from people that are in the HVAC trade.
>True...HVAC pros also read Alt.HomeRepair. So do some doctors...does
>that mean I should ask for medical advice there? When an HVAC system
>can easily cost 40% or more of ones yearly salary, I can understand why
>they would have a lot of questions.
>
>I understand those that are in the trade want a place where folks with
>the same interests as them can hang out and discuss the latest trends
>in the trade. They want to read posts that are stimulating and spark
>interest in their chosen profession, along with the latest trends in
>their trade. They do not want to be bombarded with "Which furnace is
>better" ...and "How do I adjust my thermostat".
>
>No matter how much you would like folks to read the FAQ or Charter for
>the group....It will never happen!!! Face it....Less than one percent
>will actually read a newsgroup faq or charter. Not to mention the point
>that there are a lot of bogus ones floating around on the internet.
>
>I think the current name could change to "Alt.Hvac.Industrial" The name
>alone would tell any outsider that this group is for those in the
>industrial side. Posters to this group would most likely consist of
>those that are HVAC employees.
>
>Another group could be set up called Alt.HVAC.Residential. Posters to
>this group would most likely be home owners and apartment managers. The
>HVAC professionals would then have the choice to assist home owners or
>to not be bothered with them.
>
>Is it possible to set up folders in this group for Alt.Hvac.Industrial
>and Alt.HVAC.Residential? How much work is involved? How about it
>Paul....you are the informal nominated and chosen computer guru of this
>group. If this was to be accomplished, I think it would speak volumns
>to bringing the group back together again in the spirit of which it was
>originally created.

It's called 'creating a new group', it's a TON of work, and
I'm not going to do it again.

>
>Just my humble thoughts.
>Pat

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CBHVAC

2006-01-27, 11:21 am

"Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Seeing as this is a public newsgroup, everyone has the right to ask
> questions, and others have the right to not answer the question.

And EVERYONE has the right to answer in whatever fashion they see fit,
so...hows that fit into your idea spanky?

>

Noon-Air

2006-01-27, 12:21 pm

so put "coulda", "shoulda", and "woulda" on one hand and shit in the other
then see which fills first
You want to do it, then knock yourself out.

"Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>A new group should be started called alt.hvac.advice, and all the
> knowledgeable techs can move there. Then the name of this group can be
> changed to alt.hvac.assholes.only
>
> "komobu" <curranpg@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1138343650.515095.193940@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
>

Al Moran

2006-01-27, 10:21 pm

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:42:04 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:

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>
> It's called 'creating a new group', it's a TON of work, and
>I'm not going to do it again.
>

Bullshit, it's not a ton of work. Post request in alt.config, get
flamed for two weeks, send control message, done. I created
alt.tv.amazing-race and alt.tv.the-mole.

ftwhd

2006-01-27, 10:21 pm

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 01:28:40 GMT, Al Moran <almoran@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:42:04 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
>wrote:
>
>

You have to do something once to do it again. The only thing you have
done again is lie about doing it once.[color=darkred]
>
>
>Bullshit, it's not a ton of work. Post request in alt.config, get
>flamed for two weeks, send control message, done. I created
>alt.tv.amazing-race and alt.tv.the-mole.

Pj is delusional.

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2006-01-27, 10:21 pm

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 01:28:40 GMT, Al Moran <almoran@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:42:04 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>Bullshit, it's not a ton of work. Post request in alt.config, get
>flamed for two weeks, send control message, done. I created
>alt.tv.amazing-race and alt.tv.the-mole.

Fine. Fucking go do it. Let's see how much good it does you.

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.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2006-01-27, 10:21 pm

Bob

2006-01-27, 10:21 pm

I can't believe that anyone still responds to him. Just put him in your kill
file.

"ftwhd" <ftwhd@home.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 01:28:40 GMT, Al Moran <almoran@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> You have to do something once to do it again. The only thing you have
> done again is lie about doing it once.
>
> Pj is delusional.

Jim Bean

2006-01-27, 11:21 pm

Bob wrote:
> I can't believe that anyone still responds to him. Just put him in your kill
> file.
>
Hey Bob, you have to understand that guys like him need to be kept
under watch. If you killfile him, then he runs amock and slams
new-comers without anyone to keep him in check. Maybe he can't help
that he's a useless sham-artist with no real life skills, but it
doesn't excuse him from being a stupid ignorant cock-sucking loser.
That's all.

2006-01-27, 11:21 pm

Al Moran wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:42:04 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bullshit, it's not a ton of work. Post request in alt.config, get
> flamed for two weeks, send control message, done. I created
> alt.tv.amazing-race and alt.tv.the-mole.

And my server now offers alt.hvac.pro-series.moderated. Zero postings
to date.
A few groups have appeared on my local server's listings simply because
people forwarded or followed-up messages to the at that time nonexistent
groups. After a few rounds of that it seems as though those groups
suddenly appear as valid groups for no other reason. Could be an
illusion on my part, but that would sure explain the hundred thousand or
so bullshit groups that are listed. No comprende.

Richard Perry

CBHVAC

2006-01-27, 11:21 pm

"RP" <no_mail_no_spam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:RJqdneZjaM4jfUfeRVn-vg@centurytel.net...
>
>
> Al Moran wrote:
>
>
> And my server now offers alt.hvac.pro-series.moderated. Zero postings to
> date.
> A few groups have appeared on my local server's listings simply because
> people forwarded or followed-up messages to the at that time nonexistent
> groups. After a few rounds of that it seems as though those groups
> suddenly appear as valid groups for no other reason. Could be an illusion
> on my part, but that would sure explain the hundred thousand or so
> bullshit groups that are listed. No comprende.
>
> Richard Perry
>
>

New one just showed here in teh last few days....alt.trades.hvac

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2006-01-28, 12:21 am

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:10:52 -0600, RP <no_mail_no_spam@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>
>Al Moran wrote:
>
>
>And my server now offers alt.hvac.pro-series.moderated. Zero postings
>to date.
>A few groups have appeared on my local server's listings simply because
>people forwarded or followed-up messages to the at that time nonexistent
>groups. After a few rounds of that it seems as though those groups
>suddenly appear as valid groups for no other reason. Could be an
>illusion on my part, but that would sure explain the hundred thousand or
>so bullshit groups that are listed. No comprende.
>
>Richard Perry
>

It depends a great deal on various things - your ISP, who it
peers with, etc. As you say, many groups 'exist', at least on SOME
peers ( not all ), due to the mere fact that someone posted to them,
especially if it was cross-posted with an existing group.

Some misconfigured servers accept this as sufficient to form a
New Group, especially in Alt. But it's not correct, it's not
accepted, and it doesn't propogate.

Most servers, and ALL major peers, do not accept this, due in
large part to the flood attacks of years ago, when the process was
much looser, and vandals would do things like create 100,000 new
groups, or send RMGROUPS for all existing groups, etc.

Take, for instance. alt.tv.the-mole.

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2006-01-28, 12:21 am

CBHVAC wrote:

> "RP" <no_mail_no_spam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:RJqdneZjaM4jfUfeRVn-vg@centurytel.net...
>
>
>
> New one just showed here in teh last few days....alt.trades.hvac

I have a couple of different alt.trades groups, but none with hvac
attached. I cannot subscribe to any of them, but I can subscribe to the
alt.hvac.pro-series.moderated group. Maybe he followed through with it.
Maybe he'll tell us.

Richard Perry

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2006-01-28, 12:21 am

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:13:52 -0500, "CBHVAC" <cbhva*1@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"RP" <no_mail_no_spam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:RJqdneZjaM4jfUfeRVn-vg@centurytel.net...
>
>New one just showed here in teh last few days....alt.trades.hvac
>

Neither show here.

Like I said - it's not as easy as just spewing out a Newgroup.

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Al Moran

2006-01-28, 2:21 am

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 01:50:25 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:

>On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 01:28:40 GMT, Al Moran <almoran@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>
> Fine. Fucking go do it. Let's see how much good it does you.

Nope, not me. Don't need that bullshit.

Al Moran

2006-01-28, 2:21 am

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 03:19:24 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:

>
> Like I said - it's not as easy as just spewing out a Newgroup.

Well spewing ou the newgroup is easy. It's getting it propagated that
takes the work. Muliple follow messages, spamming the hell out of
other groups...you get the point.

Al Moran

2006-01-28, 2:21 am

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 03:17:11 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:

>
> Take, for instance. alt.tv.the-mole.

That group has been "dead" for a long time. The show only had one
season iirc. Now if you look at alt.tv.amazing-race when the show is
on, well that group hops. The first year it was hard to get isp's to
add it. I made it because everyone was posting that amazing race crap
in alt.survivor. After I begged, pleaded, screamed, yelled etc. I made
the group and then flooded the hell out of survivor with the link.
Pretty soon it caught on. Again, making the group is easy, it' getting
it propogated that is the hard part.

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2006-01-28, 2:21 am

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 05:19:03 GMT, Al Moran <almoran@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 01:50:25 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
>wrote:
>
>
>Nope, not me. Don't need that bullshit.

Must be too much work :-)

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komobu

2006-01-28, 2:21 am

So what do I have to do to make the group? I like Bob's idea of
alt.hvac.advice...
Pat

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2006-01-28, 2:21 am

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 05:21:31 GMT, Al Moran <almoran@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 03:19:24 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>Well spewing ou the newgroup is easy. It's getting it propagated that
>takes the work. Muliple follow messages, spamming the hell out of
>other groups...you get the point.

Yeh -' work', like I said :-)

And, if you want an actual WORTHWHILE group, like this one
used to be 10 years ago, there's a lot more than that, too. Getting
it propogated is only the first step before you begin building it.

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PrecisionMechanical

2006-01-28, 6:21 am

"Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> A new group should be started called alt.hvac.advice, and all the
> knowledgeable techs can move there. Then the name of this group can be
> changed to alt.hvac.assholes.only
>

Then finally, you'd fit in fairly well here...

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PrecisionMechanical

2006-01-28, 6:21 am

"komobu" <curranpg@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> So what do I have to do to make the group?

Suggest do your own fucking homework.

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Oscar_Lives

2006-01-28, 5:21 pm

<.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 05:21:31 GMT, Al Moran <almoran@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Yeh -' work', like I said :-)
>
> And, if you want an actual WORTHWHILE group, like this one
> used to be 10 years ago, there's a lot more than that, too. Getting
> it propogated is only the first step before you begin building it.

Yeah, and it takes a hell of a lot of work to just keep the idiots and
riff-raff out of it, too.

>
>
> --
>
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
>
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

oneson

2006-01-28, 7:21 pm

<.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:13:52 -0500, "CBHVAC" <cbhva*1@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
to[color=darkred]
nonexistent[color=darkred]
illusion[color=darkred]
>
> Neither show here.
>
> Like I said - it's not as easy as just spewing out a Newgroup.

What you have to do to get it going is to cross post into it from another
group, such as this one, to get the posting volume built up. The more posts,
the more news servers will see it and add it to their lists.
All I show here is alt.hvac.

>
>
> --
>
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
>
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

Thund3rstruck_n0i

2006-01-29, 1:21 am

Bob spilled my beer when they jumped on the table and proclaimed in
<mqadnchBdtvUtUfenZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@comcast.com>

> Seeing as this is a public newsgroup, everyone has the right to ask
> questions,

True

>and others have the right to not answer the question.

True. Also, there is a corolary to that. Others have the right to tell you
to shove it up your XXX...sideways, if they're so inclined to do
so...hypothetically speaking of course.

NOI

Bob

2006-01-29, 9:21 am

Wouldn't that be off topic, and therefore against the alt.hvac charter?

"Thund3rstruck_n0i" <Thund3rstruck_n0i@hotmail.comREMOVE> wrote in message
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> Bob spilled my beer when they jumped on the table and proclaimed in
> <mqadnchBdtvUtUfenZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@comcast.com>
>
>
> True
>
>
> True. Also, there is a corolary to that. Others have the right to tell
you
> to shove it up your XXX...sideways, if they're so inclined to do
> so...hypothetically speaking of course.
>
> NOI

CBHVAC

2006-01-29, 10:21 am

"Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Wd6dnWLMEvXxK0HenZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Wouldn't that be off topic, and therefore against the alt.hvac charter?

When has that ever stopped you?

Dont start a war you cant win...nOi is the kinda guy that would chew you up,
and not give a second thought to it...and you would never know what hit you.

>
> "Thund3rstruck_n0i" <Thund3rstruck_n0i@hotmail.comREMOVE> wrote in message
> news:bf2e4$43dc4931$48317b6a$7478@FUSE.NET...
> you
>
>

Thund3rstruck_n0i

2006-01-29, 11:21 am

Bob spilled my beer when they jumped on the table and proclaimed in
<Wd6dnWLMEvXxK0HenZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@comcast.com>

> Wouldn't that be off topic, and therefore against the alt.hvac charter?

When did charters, rules, or online nettique ever matter to you?

NOI

Thund3rstruck_n0i

2006-01-29, 11:21 am

CBHVAC spilled my beer when they jumped on the table and proclaimed in
<2q3Df.130$GB5.1112@eagle.america.net>

>
> "Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Wd6dnWLMEvXxK0HenZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> When has that ever stopped you?
>
>
> Dont start a war you cant win...nOi is the kinda guy that would chew you
> up, and not give a second thought to it...and you would never know what
> hit you.

He's too whimpy an opponent to even bother torquing to 80ft/lbs

NOI

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2006-01-29, 12:21 pm

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:28:27 -0500, "CBHVAC" <cbhva*1@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:Wd6dnWLMEvXxK0HenZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>When has that ever stopped you?
>
>
>Dont start a war you cant win...nOi is the kinda guy that would chew you up,
>and not give a second thought to it...and you would never know what hit you.

Wouldn't that be "... what BIT you' ? :-)

>
>

--

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'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
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Raines

2006-02-02, 1:21 am

"komobu" <curranpg@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138343650.515095.193940@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> It seems to me, that alt.hvac should change it's name. There are those
> who want a group that is only for members in the HVAC trade. There are
> also those who want a group for any and all who have a legitimate HVAC
> question. I can see both sides.
>
> The prevailing remark to outsiders is to take it to alt.home.repair. It
> would not occur to me to post an HVAC question in Home repair if I am
> soliciting responses from people that are in the HVAC trade.

It would also not occur to you to post in home repair if you aren't looking
to repair anything in the first place.

This is something Paul just doesn't quite get. He's kind of a......no...he
IS a moron.

This is an hvac forum and any hvac question is certainly relevant to post
here. Paul is not the boss of you or this forum.

And if you read any posts where he rarely DOES try to answer the question,
you'll find that most of the "home-moaners" he complains about know more
than he does. He's a hack.

> True...HVAC pros also read Alt.HomeRepair. So do some doctors...does
> that mean I should ask for medical advice there? When an HVAC system
> can easily cost 40% or more of ones yearly salary, I can understand why
> they would have a lot of questions.
>
> I understand those that are in the trade want a place where folks with
> the same interests as them can hang out and discuss the latest trends
> in the trade. They want to read posts that are stimulating and spark
> interest in their chosen profession, along with the latest trends in
> their trade. They do not want to be bombarded with "Which furnace is
> better" ...and "How do I adjust my thermostat".
>
> No matter how much you would like folks to read the FAQ or Charter for
> the group....It will never happen!!! Face it....Less than one percent
> will actually read a newsgroup faq or charter. Not to mention the point
> that there are a lot of bogus ones floating around on the internet.
>
> I think the current name could change to "Alt.Hvac.Industrial" The name
> alone would tell any outsider that this group is for those in the
> industrial side. Posters to this group would most likely consist of
> those that are HVAC employees.
>
> Another group could be set up called Alt.HVAC.Residential. Posters to
> this group would most likely be home owners and apartment managers. The
> HVAC professionals would then have the choice to assist home owners or
> to not be bothered with them.
>
> Is it possible to set up folders in this group for Alt.Hvac.Industrial
> and Alt.HVAC.Residential? How much work is involved? How about it
> Paul....you are the informal nominated and chosen computer guru of this
> group. If this was to be accomplished, I think it would speak volumns
> to bringing the group back together again in the spirit of which it was
> originally created.
>
> Just my humble thoughts.
> Pat
>

Raines

2006-02-02, 1:21 am

<.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
news:q8ckt114anij08hfs4aonqqndj66d3f43g@4ax.com...
> On 26 Jan 2006 22:34:10 -0800, "komobu" <curranpg@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's called 'creating a new group', it's a TON of work, and
> I'm not going to do it again.

You didn't do it in the first place.

>
>
> --
>
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
>
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

Raines

2006-02-02, 1:21 am

"Al Moran" <almoran@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:v2ilt192k3g54rvs880llnjvi3vlfptguv@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:42:04 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Bullshit, it's not a ton of work. Post request in alt.config, get
> flamed for two weeks, send control message, done. I created
> alt.tv.amazing-race and alt.tv.the-mole.

A ton of work to Paul is getting off the recliner to go get a beer to drink
while watching Saturday morning cartoons.

TURTLE

2006-02-02, 3:21 am

This is Turtle.

BOB , your not speaking in a Professional newsgroup but only a friends
and family members group that was taken over by a few members and now
tring to figure out what to do with it and all the professionals left
to other group because of all the hatred flaming of anybody who does
not agree with the 6 member suck up group.

i have no hatred for the suck up group for i have only sorrow to know
they do not have a life of their own and have to live it out here on
the newsgroup.

Hatred is the only thing that can be seen when a man feels he did not
make it in life.

I will probably not read any replys of this but try to let some of that
anger out on this thread. It may make you feel better.

TURTLE

Bob

2006-02-02, 8:21 am

Technically, don't you actually have to do some work to be a hack?

"Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote in message
news:43e18dfa$0$25073$38cecc19@news.illicom.net...
> "komobu" <curranpg@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1138343650.515095.193940@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> And if you read any posts where he rarely DOES try to answer the question,
> you'll find that most of the "home-moaners" he complains about know more
> than he does. He's a hack.
>
>

Oscar_Lives

2006-02-02, 10:21 am

"Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote in message
news:43e18dfa$0$25073$38cecc19@news.illicom.net...
> "komobu" <curranpg@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1138343650.515095.193940@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

> Paul is not the boss of you or this forum.

What part of "minion" do you not understand?

Bob

2006-02-02, 10:21 am

Turtle,
Is Paul Milligan the owner of Carolina Breeze HVAC?
Bob

"TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138861862.036807.140470@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> This is Turtle.
>
> BOB , your not speaking in a Professional newsgroup but only a friends
> and family members group that was taken over by a few members and now
> tring to figure out what to do with it and all the professionals left
> to other group because of all the hatred flaming of anybody who does
> not agree with the 6 member suck up group.
>
> i have no hatred for the suck up group for i have only sorrow to know
> they do not have a life of their own and have to live it out here on
> the newsgroup.
>
> Hatred is the only thing that can be seen when a man feels he did not
> make it in life.
>
> I will probably not read any replys of this but try to let some of that
> anger out on this thread. It may make you feel better.
>
> TURTLE
>

CBHVAC

2006-02-02, 11:21 am

"Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:5aqdnU-Sus-SjH_enZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Turtle,
> Is Paul Milligan the owner of Carolina Breeze HVAC?
> Bob

No you stupid fuck...hes not.

If you had any idea about how to look it up, you would know that.

>
> "TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1138861862.036807.140470@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>

TURTLE

2006-02-02, 12:21 pm

Bob wrote:
> Turtle,
> Is Paul Milligan the owner of Carolina Breeze HVAC?
> Bob
>
>

This is Turtle.

No , but Paul and CB of Carolina breeze is XXXXXXX buddys and will
defend each other to the last word. If your talking to Paul , your
talking to CBHVAC also.

TURTLE

Bob

2006-02-02, 2:21 pm

I've been doing this a long time, and have met thousands of HVAC techs. I
can't remember meeting anyone who comes close to the ignorance of those
guys. Maybe it's a North Carolina thing.

"TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138896087.280102.180980@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Bob wrote:
>
> This is Turtle.
>
> No , but Paul and CB of Carolina breeze is XXXXXXX buddys and will
> defend each other to the last word. If your talking to Paul , your
> talking to CBHVAC also.
>
> TURTLE
>

CBHVAC

2006-02-02, 9:21 pm

"Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:vJKdnZlHUeOp3H_enZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@comcast.com...
> I've been doing this a long time, and have met thousands of HVAC techs. I
> can't remember meeting anyone who comes close to the ignorance of those
> guys. Maybe it's a North Carolina thing.
>

Could be..but hey asswipe..Im not FROM Carolina...

And I dont always agree with Paul..but then, you talk to Terry the
Turtle..slow as they get, and hacked as they come...

> "TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1138896087.280102.180980@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>

Bubba

2006-02-02, 10:21 pm

Not real sure what you've "been doing a long time" Bobby but I know
its not anything to do with the hvac industry.
Maybe its pulling your own pud. Im sure you are great at that.
Bubba

On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:28:21 -0500, "Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote:

>I've been doing this a long time, and have met thousands of HVAC techs. I
>can't remember meeting anyone who comes close to the ignorance of those
>guys. Maybe it's a North Carolina thing.
>
>"TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1138896087.280102.180980@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>

Raines

2006-02-02, 11:21 pm

"Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:bPadnYR_7uT2cHzenZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Technically, don't you actually have to do some work to be a hack?

He probably does alot of 12oz curls....does that count?

>
> "Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote in message
> news:43e18dfa$0$25073$38cecc19@news.illicom.net...
>
>

the oracle

2006-02-03, 3:21 am

no one owns the group, the founder is no longer alive, and no one can change
the name

so just killfile the asswipes and keep reading

Bob

2006-02-03, 10:21 am

Do you really think his penis weighs that much?

"Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote in message
news:43e2ca11$0$25089$38cecc19@news.illicom.net...
> "Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:bPadnYR_7uT2cHzenZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> He probably does alot of 12oz curls....does that count?
>
more[color=darkred]
>
>

CBHVAC

2006-02-03, 10:21 am

"Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:gJOdnaYr8sVUxn7eRVn-rw@comcast.com...
> Do you really think his penis weighs that much?
>

Ohhhhh....Bobby is getting excited by the thought.

> "Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote in message
> news:43e2ca11$0$25089$38cecc19@news.illicom.net...
> more
>
>

Noon-Air

2006-02-03, 11:21 am

"CBHVAC" <cbhva*1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:m5JEf.4$xb.61@eagle.america.net...
>
> "Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:gJOdnaYr8sVUxn7eRVn-rw@comcast.com...
>
>
> Ohhhhh....Bobby is getting excited by the thought.

That he actually has one??

TURTLE

2006-02-04, 11:21 am

komobu wrote:
> It seems to me, that alt.hvac should change it's name. There are those
> who want a group that is only for members in the HVAC trade. There are
> also those who want a group for any and all who have a legitimate HVAC
> question.

This is Turtle.

Komo , Let me get you straight here as to what alt.hvac is now.
alt.hvac is nothing but a bunch of friends and family members of Paul
milligan and all the true professionals have gone their own way because
of the stupidiness that the group is today. So when Paul Milligan
directs you to alt.home.repair to get the advise, he is doing so
because he and what that is left of the alt.hvac can not answer the
question ask and you do need to go to the alt.home.repair to try to get
a answer to any hvac question for all the professional hvac people have
left and went to other places like alt.home.repair and HVAC-TALK.

So don't ask any questions of a hvac nature in a forum of software
salesmen and plumbers. You might go to HVAC-TALK to get some good
answers.

TURTLE

Bob

2006-02-04, 12:21 pm

There are still professionals who come here. alt.hvac is not simply "a bunch
of friends and family members of Paul milligan". It's an unmoderated
newsgroup, so anyone can post here. Scum sucking low life child molesting
scat fans like him and his XXXXXXX buddies can post here also. If anyone is
bothered by a particular person's comments, they can simply put that person
in their blocked sender list and they won't have to read the comments.

"TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1139064114.452151.76270@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> komobu wrote:
>
> This is Turtle.
>
> Komo , Let me get you straight here as to what alt.hvac is now.
> alt.hvac is nothing but a bunch of friends and family members of Paul
> milligan and all the true professionals have gone their own way because
> of the stupidiness that the group is today. So when Paul Milligan
> directs you to alt.home.repair to get the advise, he is doing so
> because he and what that is left of the alt.hvac can not answer the
> question ask and you do need to go to the alt.home.repair to try to get
> a answer to any hvac question for all the professional hvac people have
> left and went to other places like alt.home.repair and HVAC-TALK.
>
> So don't ask any questions of a hvac nature in a forum of software
> salesmen and plumbers. You might go to HVAC-TALK to get some good
> answers.
>
> TURTLE
>

CBHVAC

2006-02-04, 12:21 pm

"Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3ridnQitpcPQVnnenZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> There are still professionals who come here. alt.hvac is not simply "a
> bunch
> of friends and family members of Paul milligan". It's an unmoderated
> newsgroup, so anyone can post here. Scum sucking low life child molesting
> scat fans like him and his XXXXXXX buddies can post here also. If anyone
> is
> bothered by a particular person's comments, they can simply put that
> person
> in their blocked sender list and they won't have to read the comments.

Such hatred there Bob...

Sounds like YOU are the one with issues....

>
>
>
> "TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1139064114.452151.76270@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>

Bill

2006-02-04, 5:21 pm

In article <1139064114.452151.76270@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote:

> komobu wrote:
>
> This is Turtle.
>
> Komo , Let me get you straight here as to what alt.hvac is now.
snip
> So don't ask any questions of a hvac nature in a forum of software
> salesmen and plumbers. You might go to HVAC-TALK to get some good
> answers.
>
> TURTLE

Since they also ran you off at HVAC-talk you might want to start a group
you fit in weasel.

alt.hvac.hack

--
Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name.

*Hack* *Hack* *hack*

Bill

2006-02-04, 5:21 pm

In article <3ridnQitpcPQVnnenZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote:

> There are still professionals who come here. alt.hvac is not simply "a bunch
> of friends and family members of Paul milligan". It's an unmoderated
> newsgroup, so anyone can post here. Scum sucking low life child molesting
> scat fans like him and his XXXXXXX buddies can post here also. If anyone is
> bothered by a particular person's comments, they can simply put that person
> in their blocked sender list and they won't have to read the comments.

The newsgroup for shit eating pedophiles is a few groups down. You
should post your fantasies there.

The sexual fixation on Paul group meets at Denny's.

So far Bob I think you have confused the initials HVAC with something
else.

--
Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name.

*Hack* *Hack* *hack*

Bill

2006-02-04, 5:21 pm

In article <a54Ff.125$xb.762@eagle.america.net>,
"CBHVAC" <cbhva*1@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:3ridnQitpcPQVnnenZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> Such hatred there Bob...
>
> Sounds like YOU are the one with issues....

Just another sick-o infatuated with Paul's picture again. The shit
eating thing is new though.
Bob's nasty.

--
Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name.

*Hack* *Hack* *hack*

Taylor Morrison

2006-02-25, 3:21 am

CBHVAC wrote:

> "Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:3ridnQitpcPQVnnenZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> Such hatred there Bob...
>
> Sounds like YOU are the one with issues....

lol!

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