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| Al Moran 2006-02-01, 1:21 am |
| In the last week I've seen two systems with inducer motors that were
seized up. So seized up that you could almost light a smoke on them
from the heat. One system was a split in the attic, the other was a
package on the roof. The package system had a 40A disconnect on it,
the split had a dedicated breaker in the main breaker panel. Why is it
that these motors can heat up like they do and not trip a breaker or
pop a fuse? The package system was only 3 yo and had an internal
overload on the motor, the split was about 15 yo and did not.
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"Al Moran" <almoran@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> In the last week I've seen two systems with inducer motors that were
> seized up. So seized up that you could almost light a smoke on them
> from the heat. One system was a split in the attic, the other was a
> package on the roof. The package system had a 40A disconnect on it,
> the split had a dedicated breaker in the main breaker panel. Why is it
> that these motors can heat up like they do and not trip a breaker or
> pop a fuse? The package system was only 3 yo and had an internal
> overload on the motor, the split was about 15 yo and did not.
Were they grounded? solidly?
If there is no ground wire for the return path to the circuit breaker then
you get a big heater.
Look up the breaker curve for any breaker. Check the highest amps and the
TIME it take to trip that breaker. When we breaker test we use 6 times for
short time, 3 times for long time delay. Most breakers will go a very long
time if your just under the max current setting. Long as in weeks and
months. God forbid it was an FOE panel.
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-02-01, 1:21 am |
| On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 04:29:18 GMT, Al Moran <almoran@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>In the last week I've seen two systems with inducer motors that were
>seized up. So seized up that you could almost light a smoke on them
>from the heat. One system was a split in the attic, the other was a
>package on the roof. The package system had a 40A disconnect on it,
>the split had a dedicated breaker in the main breaker panel. Why is it
>that these motors can heat up like they do and not trip a breaker or
>pop a fuse? The package system was only 3 yo and had an internal
>overload on the motor, the split was about 15 yo and did not.
What's the LRA on the motor ? Less than circuit rated amps.
No trip.
Next time you have one ( a working one ) at hand, A ) put your
amp clamp on it, B ) hold the cage still with your hand. C ) power it
up for a second, just to get a reading. Watcha got ? A whole lot
less than 40 !!!!
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| On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 04:29:18 GMT, Al Moran <almoran@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>In the last week I've seen two systems with inducer motors that were
>seized up. So seized up that you could almost light a smoke on them
>from the heat. One system was a split in the attic, the other was a
>package on the roof. The package system had a 40A disconnect on it,
>the split had a dedicated breaker in the main breaker panel. Why is it
>that these motors can heat up like they do and not trip a breaker or
>pop a fuse? The package system was only 3 yo and had an internal
>overload on the motor, the split was about 15 yo and did not.
You really need to read this book.
http://www.goodheartwillcox.com/pro...tail.asp?id=107
-zero
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| Oscar_Lives 2006-02-01, 10:21 am |
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"Al Moran" <almoran@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> In the last week I've seen two systems with inducer motors that were
> seized up. So seized up that you could almost light a smoke on them
> from the heat. One system was a split in the attic, the other was a
> package on the roof. The package system had a 40A disconnect on it,
> the split had a dedicated breaker in the main breaker panel. Why is it
> that these motors can heat up like they do and not trip a breaker or
> pop a fuse?
Uhh... could it be because breakers and fuses don't trip due to the
temperature of a motor housing?
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| Noon-Air 2006-02-01, 11:21 am |
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"Al Moran" <almoran@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> In the last week I've seen two systems with inducer motors that were
> seized up. So seized up that you could almost light a smoke on them
> from the heat. One system was a split in the attic, the other was a
> package on the roof. The package system had a 40A disconnect on it,
> the split had a dedicated breaker in the main breaker panel. Why is it
> that these motors can heat up like they do and not trip a breaker or
> pop a fuse? The package system was only 3 yo and had an internal
> overload on the motor, the split was about 15 yo and did not.
Maybe because they don't draw enough current?? Just replace it and be done
with it.
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-02-01, 11:21 am |
| On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:50:56 -0700, "SQLit" <sqlit@qwest.net> wrote:
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>"Al Moran" <almoran@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:etd0u1h19tbok44qs081kbq74qefnm6br9@4ax.com...
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>
>Were they grounded? solidly?
>
>If there is no ground wire for the return path to the circuit breaker then
>you get a big heater.
He didn't say they were grounded, just locked up. And he's
talking about the little inducer motor. I forget, but what's LRA on
those things ? 3 amp ? 5 amp ? whatever.
>Look up the breaker curve for any breaker. Check the highest amps and the
>TIME it take to trip that breaker. When we breaker test we use 6 times for
>short time, 3 times for long time delay. Most breakers will go a very long
>time if your just under the max current setting. Long as in weeks and
>months. God forbid it was an FOE panel.
>
--
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<.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:50:56 -0700, "SQLit" <sqlit@qwest.net> wrote:
>
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>
> He didn't say they were grounded, just locked up. And he's
> talking about the little inducer motor. I forget, but what's LRA on
> those things ? 3 amp ? 5 amp ? whatever.
>
I meant frame of the motor grounded. Not stator grounded. Should have been
clearer about that.
My guess this motor frame is not grounded, so it became a heater. Like you
said the low lock rotor of this motor will not even come close to the
overload of most feeder breakers.
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-02-01, 8:21 pm |
| On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:20:16 -0700, "SQLit" <sqlit@qwest.net> wrote:
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><.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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>then
Oh - forgot to add - a ground is NOT a path to a circuit
breaker. Hot and neutral, or 2 hot phases, are.
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>I meant frame of the motor grounded. Not stator grounded. Should have been
>clearer about that.
>
>
> My guess this motor frame is not grounded, so it became a heater. Like you
>said the low lock rotor of this motor will not even come close to the
>overload of most feeder breakers.
>
Frame ground makes no difference, unless / until the winding
burns through, and touches out to it.
Unless that happens, frame ground doesn't enter into it.
It can sit at locked rotor and generate heat instead of motion
all it wants ( until a thermal kicks, if it has one, or the winding
opens ).
And never trip a breaker.
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'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
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| TURTLE 2006-02-02, 1:21 pm |
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SQLit wrote:
> <.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
> news:pli1u1910qavqvh7i36bgvk6kepevdib7p@4ax.com...
> then
>
> I meant frame of the motor grounded. Not stator grounded. Should have been
> clearer about that.
>
This is Turtle.
You must be very clear on what you say when speaking around software
salesmen to not let them feel left out by expecting them to know the
common thing in the trade. Speak slowly and don't leave anything out.
TURTLE
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| TURTLE 2006-02-02, 2:21 pm |
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Al Moran wrote:
> In the last week I've seen two systems with inducer motors that were
> seized up. So seized up that you could almost light a smoke on them
> from the heat. One system was a split in the attic, the other was a
> package on the roof. The package system had a 40A disconnect on it,
> the split had a dedicated breaker in the main breaker panel. Why is it
> that these motors can heat up like they do and not trip a breaker or
> pop a fuse? The package system was only 3 yo and had an internal
> overload on the motor, the split was about 15 yo and did not.
This is Turtle.
When you have a vent fan motor jammed with a L.R.A of 10 amps on a
furnace and is connected to a 40 amp breaker. Where are you going to
get the other 30 amps that will be needed to trip the 40 amp breaker ?
Another example of this is take a evaperator blower motor on the
refrigerator and jam it and let it draw L.R.A. of about 5 amps and see
if it will trip a 15 amp breaker.
Also most motors have a temperature cut out well above the burning
temp. of the human body.
TURTLE
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| In article <1138899029.700099.260820@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"TURTLE" <hvacturtle@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is Turtle.
>
> You must be very clear on what you say when speaking around software
> salesmen to not let them feel left out by expecting them to know the
> common thing in the trade. Speak slowly and don't leave anything out.
Whassamatter weasel? They pop you for your hack shit in hvac-talk and
now you're back here spewing your brain damaged rants?
Must suck to be exposed as the demented hack you are in two forums.
--
Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name.
*Hack* *Hack* *hack*
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| ~^Johnny^~ 2006-02-05, 12:21 am |
| I don't know, but sometimes they fizzle first.
--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info
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| ~^Johnny^~ 2006-02-05, 12:21 am |
| On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:43:34 -0800, ~^Johnny^~
<nospam@gyrogearloose.com> wrote:
>I don't know, but sometimes they fizzle first.
All joking aside:
Did you put an amprobe on the feeder?
A seized motor *may* draw its rated LRA, or less, depending on a lot
of factors. Just because tech motor won't spin, doesn't necessarily
mean tech rotor is locked, with full applied voltage and healthy
windings. I have seen motors (especially 3-phase) that you could fry
an egg on their cases, pulling far less than their rated LRA.
The other main thing is this:
Smaller single-phase motors, like shaded pole draft inducers, are
*impermanence protected*. They will get hotter than hell, but will
seldom either catch fire or blow the main overload.
The bearings are tight/dry/both. Just replace the motor, if it's
seized up!
--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info
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| ~^Johnny^~ 2006-02-05, 12:21 am |
| On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:51:35 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:
> He didn't say they were grounded, just locked up. And he's
>talking about the little inducer motor. I forget, but what's LRA on
>those things ? 3 amp ? 5 amp ? whatever.
Forget it. They're both LPF and impedance protected.
They ain't gonna trip a damned 30 or 40 Amp breaker.
--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info
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| ~^Johnny^~ 2006-02-05, 12:21 am |
| On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 23:29:55 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:
>Oh - forgot to add - a ground is NOT a path to a circuit
>breaker.
That's not my fault! ;->
--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-02-05, 10:21 am |
| On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:57:19 -0800, ~^Johnny^~
<nospam@gyrogearloose.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 23:29:55 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
>wrote:
>
>
>
>That's not my fault! ;->
Then why did you remain neutral about it ?
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'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
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Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
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| On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:47:21 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:
>On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:57:19 -0800, ~^Johnny^~
><nospam@gyrogearloose.com> wrote:
>
>
> Then why did you remain neutral about it ?
He might just be going through a phase.
-zero
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| Al Moran 2006-02-05, 1:21 pm |
| On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:41:37 GMT, zero <notreal@nobody.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:47:21 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
>wrote:
>
>
>He might just be going through a phase.
>
>
>
>-zero
Phases are just sines of the times.
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-02-05, 1:21 pm |
| On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:41:37 GMT, zero <notreal@nobody.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:47:21 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
>wrote:
>
>
>He might just be going through a phase.
I figured you'd be hot to respond ....
You have a lot of potential, and yet you're well-grounded.
I'm sure someone will amplify this....
Well, I'll sine off for now ....
--
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Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
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| Oscar_Lives 2006-02-05, 2:21 pm |
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<.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:41:37 GMT, zero <notreal@nobody.com> wrote:
>
>
> I figured you'd be hot to respond ....
>
> You have a lot of potential, and yet you're well-grounded.
>
> I'm sure someone will amplify this....
>
> Well, I'll sine off for now ....
Sparks are gonna fly now.
>
>
> --
>
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
>
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
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| Tekkie® 2006-02-05, 11:21 pm |
| posted for all of us...
I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.
> On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:41:37 GMT, zero <notreal@nobody.com> wrote:
>
>
> I figured you'd be hot to respond ....
>
> You have a lot of potential, and yet you're well-grounded.
>
> I'm sure someone will amplify this....
>
> Well, I'll sine off for now ....
>
>
>
Nobody got hot, so nobody got Hertz
--
My boss said I was dumb and apathetic.
I said I don't know and I don't care...
Tekkie
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| Oscar_Lives 2006-02-06, 12:21 am |
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"Tekkie®" <Tekkie@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> posted for all of us...
> I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.
>
> Nobody got hot, so nobody got Hertz
> --
> My boss said I was dumb and apathetic.
> I said I don't know and I don't care...
>
> Tekkie
Thanks for being direct. It helps to insulate you from the shock of not
making a connection to the bus terminal.
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| ~^Johnny^~ 2006-02-06, 11:21 pm |
| On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:47:21 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:
>On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:57:19 -0800, ~^Johnny^~
><nospam@gyrogearloose.com> wrote:
>
>
> Then why did you remain neutral about it ?
Damn it Paul, you're grounded fora weak!
--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info
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| ~^Johnny^~ 2006-02-06, 11:21 pm |
| On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 18:03:53 GMT, "Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net>
wrote:
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><.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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>
>Sparks are gonna fly now.
You can't relay be series.
--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info
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| ~^Johnny^~ 2006-02-06, 11:21 pm |
| On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 03:59:17 GMT, "Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net>
wrote:
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>"Tekkie®" <Tekkie@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:WpedncUwmPZeJ3veRVn-tg@comcast.com...
>
>Thanks for being direct. It helps to insulate you from the shock of not
>making a connection to the bus terminal.
>
>
Wire we drawing this out, as if it were a current event?
It's revolting humor at best, and I conduit myself, anyway.
So, pipe down. Lube up and pull, while alternating.
And pull lease watch those bends. It's a matter of degrees.
I hope this doesn't shock you.
--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info
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| Jim Bean 2006-02-06, 11:21 pm |
| Apparently you guys are a bunch of jackasses. The overload on the 3yo
obviously failed. The 15yo just decided to act like an induction motor
with no induction. ie. straight watts without vars = heat. I think
this is probably a couple of coincidences. Replace the motors. Motors
should have their own thermal overload to protect them from lock up.
If they reset themselves automatically though, they will continue to
reset, time out and pop and then reset again without popping the higher
overcurrent breaker protection. Something most people don't know is
that breakers in your panel are designed to protect your wiring, not
your equipment. Hence the internal overloads on motors. Maybe a
little 3-in-1 electrical motor oil might also unseize the motor
bushings if you're lucky.
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| Oscar_Lives 2006-02-07, 12:21 am |
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"~^Johnny^~" <nospam@gyrogearloose.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 18:03:53 GMT, "Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> You can't relay be series.
>
> --
> -john
> wide-open at throttle dot info
Wire you coiled up? Flux it. Iron going out to the field.
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| Oscar_Lives 2006-02-07, 12:21 am |
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"~^Johnny^~" <nospam@gyrogearloose.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 03:59:17 GMT, "Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Wire we drawing this out, as if it were a current event?
> It's revolting humor at best, and I conduit myself, anyway.
>
> So, pipe down. Lube up and pull, while alternating.
> And pull lease watch those bends. It's a matter of degrees.
>
> I hope this doesn't shock you.
>
> --
> -john
> wide-open at throttle dot info
Are you suggesting a vibrating plug?
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-02-07, 12:21 am |
| On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:45:18 -0800, ~^Johnny^~
<nospam@gyrogearloose.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:47:21 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
>wrote:
>
>
>Damn it Paul, you're grounded fora weak!
Do I have to post bond ?
--
Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
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| Oscar_Lives 2006-02-07, 12:21 am |
|
<.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:45:18 -0800, ~^Johnny^~
> <nospam@gyrogearloose.com> wrote:
>
>
> Do I have to post bond ?
Only if you are terminal.
>
>
> --
>
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
>
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
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| ~^Johnny^~ 2006-02-07, 2:21 am |
| On 6 Feb 2006 18:58:12 -0800, "Jim Bean" <vmravinec@gmail.com> wrote:
>Apparently you guys are a bunch of jackasses.
You have a lot to learn.
>The overload on the 3yo
>obviously failed. The 15yo just decided to act like an induction motor
>with no induction. ie. straight watts without vars = heat. I think
>this is probably a couple of coincidences. Replace the motors. Motors
>should have their own thermal overload to protect them from lock up.
>If they reset themselves automatically though, they will continue to
>reset, time out and pop and then reset again without popping the higher
>overcurrent breaker protection. Something most people don't know is
>that breakers in your panel are designed to protect your wiring, not
>your equipment. Hence the internal overloads on motors. Maybe a
>little 3-in-1 electrical motor oil might also unseize the motor
>bushings if you're lucky.
You are SO full of shit...
....do you make this crap up, as you go along, or what?
Do a Google search on "impedance protection"
A shot of oil on the sleeve bearings is just a "Get by" hack.
Replace the damned motor, dumb XXX.
The only induction YOU need is that of general anaesthesia...
--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info
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| ~^Johnny^~ 2006-02-07, 2:21 am |
| On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 04:08:59 GMT, "Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net>
wrote:
>
>"~^Johnny^~" <nospam@gyrogearloose.com> wrote in message
>news:if2gu1d3c0mu56c9pfv1f5cn7uq2h9og1h@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>Wire you coiled up? Flux it. Iron going out to the field.
>
Armature about that?
--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info
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| ~^Johnny^~ 2006-02-07, 2:21 am |
| On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 04:10:54 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:
>On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:45:18 -0800, ~^Johnny^~
><nospam@gyrogearloose.com> wrote:
>
>
> Do I have to post bond ?
No, you're covered by minion policy.
--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info
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| ~^Johnny^~ 2006-02-07, 2:21 am |
| On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 04:10:25 GMT, "Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net>
wrote:
>
>"~^Johnny^~" <nospam@gyrogearloose.com> wrote in message
>news:ei2gu199epk2uh8lt9r54eg3gn11o8nd8v@4ax.com...
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>Are you suggesting a vibrating plug?
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How anal, dude!
Do yourself a favor, and rent or buy a sibian.
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-02-07, 2:21 am |
| On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 21:17:07 -0800, ~^Johnny^~
<nospam@gyrogearloose.com> wrote:
>On 6 Feb 2006 18:58:12 -0800, "Jim Bean" <vmravinec@gmail.com> wrote:
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>You have a lot to learn.
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>You are SO full of shit...
>...do you make this crap up, as you go along, or what?
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>Do a Google search on "impedance protection"
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>A shot of oil on the sleeve bearings is just a "Get by" hack.
>Replace the damned motor, dumb XXX.
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>The only induction YOU need is that of general anaesthesia...
He doesn't even know what an induction motor is - he thinks
it's a type of motor, like PSC or such :-)
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| Jim Bean 2006-02-07, 12:21 pm |
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> Replace the damned motor, dumb XXX.
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Hey Fucknut, read what I wrote before you jump in with your drivel. I
clearly said " Replace the motors." If you can't do it right away,
then you may be able to get by with cleaning and oiling the bushings.
Maybe try getting a trade and actual life work experience before
quoting any Google searches. You can't fix a motor by searching for it
on a website. Stunned cunt.
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| volts500 2006-02-07, 1:21 pm |
| ~^Johnny^~ wrote:
> On 6 Feb 2006 18:58:12 -0800, "Jim Bean" <vmravinec@gmail.com> wrote:
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> You have a lot to learn.
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> You are SO full of shit...
> ...do you make this crap up, as you go along, or what?
>
> Do a Google search on "impedance protection"
>
Hey, Johnny fuzz nuts, is this NOT what the OP wrote?:
"The package system was only 3 yo and had an internal
overload on the motor, the split was about 15 yo and did not."
The 3 yo unit had thermal protection and the 15 yo unit had impedance
protection.
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| ~^Johnny^~ wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:43:34 -0800, ~^Johnny^~
> <nospam@gyrogearloose.com> wrote:
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> All joking aside:
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> Did you put an amprobe on the feeder?
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> A seized motor *may* draw its rated LRA, or less, depending on a lot
> of factors. Just because tech motor won't spin, doesn't necessarily
> mean tech rotor is locked, with full applied voltage and healthy
> windings. I have seen motors (especially 3-phase) that you could fry
> an egg on their cases, pulling far less than their rated LRA.
>
> The other main thing is this:
> Smaller single-phase motors, like shaded pole draft inducers, are
> *impermanence protected*. They will get hotter than hell, but will
> seldom either catch fire or blow the main overload.
>
> The bearings are tight/dry/both. Just replace the motor, if it's
> seized up!
>
Couple of questions, Johnny. What the heck is impermanence protection?
I've never heard of that....
Next, what kind of three-phase motor running less than line sync have
you seen that won't draw LRA or more if the rotor isn't spinning? I've
never seen that, either.
Lastly, a shaded pole motor usually has piece-of-crap sleeve bearings in
it... so I agree with you there. Replace the damn thing!
Jake
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-02-07, 10:21 pm |
| On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 01:25:29 GMT, Jake <jkelleyus@insightbb.com>
wrote:
>~^Johnny^~ wrote:
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>Couple of questions, Johnny. What the heck is impermanence protection?
>I've never heard of that....
Pray you never do.
http://www.depend.com/
>Next, what kind of three-phase motor running less than line sync have
>you seen that won't draw LRA or more if the rotor isn't spinning? I've
>never seen that, either.
>
>Lastly, a shaded pole motor usually has piece-of-crap sleeve bearings in
> it... so I agree with you there. Replace the damn thing!
>
>Jake
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Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
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| Tekkie® 2006-02-07, 10:21 pm |
| ~^Johnny^~ posted for all of us...
I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.
>
> The only induction YOU need is that of general anaesthesia...
>
GOOD ONE!!!! Thanks
--
My boss said I was dumb and apathetic.
I said I don't know and I don't care...
Tekkie
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| Bubba 2006-02-08, 10:21 am |
| On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 01:25:29 GMT, Jake <jkelleyus@insightbb.com>
wrote:
>~^Johnny^~ wrote:
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>Couple of questions, Johnny. What the heck is impermanence protection?
>I've never heard of that....
>
>Next, what kind of three-phase motor running less than line sync have
>you seen that won't draw LRA or more if the rotor isn't spinning? I've
>never seen that, either.
>
>Lastly, a shaded pole motor usually has piece-of-crap sleeve bearings in
> it... so I agree with you there. Replace the damn thing!
>
>Jake
Hey, Hey...........Dont be making fun of our "piece-of-crap" sleeve
bearing motors. The "people" demand inexpensive motors and they got
what they wished for. No sense in everyone going out and paying a few
bucks more for a good ball bearing motor. We dont need those things to
last that long. How we goina eat? :-)
Bubba
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| ~^Johnny^~ 2006-02-09, 1:21 am |
| On 7 Feb 2006 07:27:46 -0800, "Jim Bean" <vmravinec@gmail.com> wrote:
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>Hey Fucknut, read what I wrote before you jump in with your drivel. I
>clearly said " Replace the motors." If you can't do it right away,
>then you may be able to get by with cleaning and oiling the bushings.
I read. I interpreted. Maybe I jumped the gun.
My bad. Exceuse me for breathing.
>Maybe try getting a trade and actual life work experience before
>quoting any Google searches.
Been there, done that, and didn't use Google, asswipe.
I posted off the top of my head.
>You can't fix a motor by searching for it
>on a website. Stunned cunt.
You are delusional (faggot, maybe?), and I am a straight male.
--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info
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| ~^Johnny^~ 2006-02-09, 1:21 am |
| On 7 Feb 2006 08:37:03 -0800, "volts500" <volts440@aol.com> wrote:
>~^Johnny^~ wrote:
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>Hey, Johnny fuzz nuts, is this NOT what the OP wrote?:
>
>"The package system was only 3 yo and had an internal
>overload on the motor, the split was about 15 yo and did not."
>
>The 3 yo unit had thermal protection and the 15 yo unit had impedance
>protection.
Yes. That's why the breaker didn't trip, no?
Ding, ding, ding! Ladies and gentlemen, WE HAVE A WINNER!!!
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-john
wide-open at throttle dot info
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| ~^Johnny^~ 2006-02-09, 1:21 am |
| On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 01:25:29 GMT, Jake <jkelleyus@insightbb.com>
wrote:
>Couple of questions, Johnny. What the heck is impermanence protection?
A typograpgical error. Bad editiing. :-)
>I've never heard of that....
Neither have I. ;`(
>Next, what kind of three-phase motor running less than line sync have
>you seen that won't draw LRA or more if the rotor isn't spinning? I've
>never seen that, either.
I haven't seen too many three-phase shaded pole motors in my lifetime.
:-)
>Lastly, a shaded pole motor usually has piece-of-crap sleeve bearings in
> it... so I agree with you there. Replace the damn thing!
>
>Jake
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-john
wide-open at throttle dot info
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| ~^Johnny^~ 2006-02-09, 1:21 am |
| On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 01:28:38 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:
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> Pray you never do.
>
> http://www.depend.com/
I hate typos. They grieve my bowels.
And if working HVAC, the shit would probably hit the fan!
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wide-open at throttle dot info
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| ~^Johnny^~ 2006-02-09, 1:21 am |
| On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:16:06 GMT, Bubba <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com>>
wrote:
>How we goina eat? :-)
Depends on whore you're XXX king.
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wide-open at throttle dot info
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| volts500 2006-02-09, 6:21 pm |
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~^Johnny^~ wrote:
> On 7 Feb 2006 08:37:03 -0800, "volts500" <volts440@aol.com> wrote:
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> Yes. That's why the breaker didn't trip, no?
Hey Johnny, you're the dipshit going on about impedance protection like
it's the only way to protect a motor. So next time take Paul's dick out
of your mouth before running off at the mouth, pecker breath.
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| Jim Bean 2006-02-09, 11:21 pm |
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> Do a Google search on "impedance protection"
>
This sure looks like you did a Google search to me. Short-term memoryl
loss sure is a XXXXX, ain't it Johnny???
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| ~^Johnny^~ 2006-02-15, 6:21 am |
| On 9 Feb 2006 13:21:20 -0800, "volts500" <volts440@aol.com> wrote:
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>~^Johnny^~ wrote:
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>Hey Johnny, you're the dipshit going on about impedance protection like
>it's the only way to protect a motor. So next time take Paul's dick out
>of your mouth before running off at the mouth, pecker breath.
=plonk!=
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-john
wide-open at throttle dot info
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| ~^Johnny^~ 2006-02-15, 6:21 am |
| On 9 Feb 2006 18:53:33 -0800, "Jim Bean" <vmravinec@gmail.com> wrote:
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>This sure looks like you did a Google search to me. Short-term memoryl
>loss sure is a XXXXX, ain't it Johnny???
Another sock puppet added to my kill filters.
Andn yuor tyipng suckks, BTW. :-)
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-john
wide-open at throttle dot info
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