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| HarryB 2006-02-02, 1:21 am |
| I have a Lennox natural gas furnace (Manufacturer's #4134768849 with a
Honeywell VR8204A 2027 gas valve) which will occasionally fail to
light. I discover this when I hear the fan running for a long time and
realize the house is cooling down. The furnace is in the attic, so I
can't just walk over and look at it whenever it is trying to start.
When the thermostat calls for heat, I can hear the ignitor clicking
and (looking through the louvers at the bottom of the furnace) will
see a weak blue flame which disappears after a few seconds, then
reappears for a few seconds, disappears, etc. Each time I have
watched, the gas valve will eventually open and the burner lights and
everything is fine - the furnace will run until the thermostat is
satisfied. But, it sometimes takes a minute or more (haven't really
timed it) before it lights.
This initial flame appears to be a pilot flame, but from what I have
read I think this furnace might have a MFS (Mercury Flame Sensor) and
doesn't really use a pilot flame. If that is the case, why do I see
this rather weak flame which appears to go out, come back on again, go
out, etc. before the burner eventually lights?
When I called a service company and explained what I saw, the owner
said that what I described sounded rather odd. He said that although
they are willing to come out and look at it, they weren't sure if they
could fix it unless the furnace actually malfunctioned so that the
burner wouldn't come on at all while the technician was there. I hate
to spend the money on a service call ($55) only to have them tell me
they can't do anything because it was working when they came out. So
far, the furnace has failed to light only a few times, but I doubt
that the furnace will fix itself.
If I understood a little better how this works I might be able to
watch it closer and give them better information.
TIA,
Harry
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| Try to figure out if there's a pattern to when it malfunctions. It may be
trying to start each time, and finally starts up, or it may only do it under
specific conditions. When you do observe it, write down exactly what it does
and things like weather conditions, wind, etc.
The company was being honest with you. Sometimes it's almost impossible to
find a problem when the heater isn't malfunctioning. Luckily, (most of the
time) a problem will keep getting worse, and the likelihood of a tech
finding the problem will increase. Just don't wait until the middle of the
night to call someone, or it will cost a lot more than $55.
"HarryB" <None@none.net> wrote in message
news:ngo2u1ddsn7preg86sn2om5esn1jjsj7tt@4ax.com...
> I have a Lennox natural gas furnace (Manufacturer's #4134768849 with a
> Honeywell VR8204A 2027 gas valve) which will occasionally fail to
> light. I discover this when I hear the fan running for a long time and
> realize the house is cooling down. The furnace is in the attic, so I
> can't just walk over and look at it whenever it is trying to start.
>
> When the thermostat calls for heat, I can hear the ignitor clicking
> and (looking through the louvers at the bottom of the furnace) will
> see a weak blue flame which disappears after a few seconds, then
> reappears for a few seconds, disappears, etc. Each time I have
> watched, the gas valve will eventually open and the burner lights and
> everything is fine - the furnace will run until the thermostat is
> satisfied. But, it sometimes takes a minute or more (haven't really
> timed it) before it lights.
>
> This initial flame appears to be a pilot flame, but from what I have
> read I think this furnace might have a MFS (Mercury Flame Sensor) and
> doesn't really use a pilot flame. If that is the case, why do I see
> this rather weak flame which appears to go out, come back on again, go
> out, etc. before the burner eventually lights?
>
> When I called a service company and explained what I saw, the owner
> said that what I described sounded rather odd. He said that although
> they are willing to come out and look at it, they weren't sure if they
> could fix it unless the furnace actually malfunctioned so that the
> burner wouldn't come on at all while the technician was there. I hate
> to spend the money on a service call ($55) only to have them tell me
> they can't do anything because it was working when they came out. So
> far, the furnace has failed to light only a few times, but I doubt
> that the furnace will fix itself.
>
> If I understood a little better how this works I might be able to
> watch it closer and give them better information.
>
> TIA,
> Harry
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| Bubba 2006-02-02, 12:21 pm |
| Wind? Bob, you're a dork! Wind does not blow pilots out unless its an
old atmospheric burner sitting right by an open garage door on a very
windy day. Have you ever looked at a furnace? Follow the path from the
flue down. The air has to come down the flue, out the diverter and be
sucked back into the vented front door of the furnace through the heat
exchanger across the pilot. How is air sucked through there when air
is coming down the flue?
Its either a bad gas valve, dirty pilot, bad thermocouple or flame
sensor. There is no magic. You need to learn furnaces. Its not rocket
science, after all.
Chris
On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 07:04:07 -0500, "Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote:
>Try to figure out if there's a pattern to when it malfunctions. It may be
>trying to start each time, and finally starts up, or it may only do it under
>specific conditions. When you do observe it, write down exactly what it does
>and things like weather conditions, wind, etc.
>The company was being honest with you. Sometimes it's almost impossible to
>find a problem when the heater isn't malfunctioning. Luckily, (most of the
>time) a problem will keep getting worse, and the likelihood of a tech
>finding the problem will increase. Just don't wait until the middle of the
>night to call someone, or it will cost a lot more than $55.
>
>
>"HarryB" <None@none.net> wrote in message
>news:ngo2u1ddsn7preg86sn2om5esn1jjsj7tt@4ax.com...
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| CBHVAC 2006-02-03, 10:21 am |
|
"Bubba >" <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com> wrote in message
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> Wind? Bob, you're a dork! Wind does not blow pilots out unless its an
> old atmospheric burner sitting right by an open garage door on a very
> windy day. Have you ever looked at a furnace? Follow the path from the
> flue down. The air has to come down the flue, out the diverter and be
> sucked back into the vented front door of the furnace through the heat
> exchanger across the pilot. How is air sucked through there when air
> is coming down the flue?
> Its either a bad gas valve, dirty pilot, bad thermocouple or flame
> sensor. There is no magic. You need to learn furnaces. Its not rocket
> science, after all.
> Chris
>
Amen...Hes an idiot. He prob just got his 6 month certificate from the local
community college and thinks hes a damn genuis.
I mean..whats he gonna do if he gets a call like that? Give the guy a sheet
of paper and a pen and tell him to document the weather each time it fucks
up till he gets it right?
And Bob...if you know what you are doing, its not impossible to do anything.
When you dont have a clue, it becomes impossible.
> On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 07:04:07 -0500, "Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
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| HarryB 2006-02-03, 10:21 pm |
| On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:17:31 -0600, HarryB <None@none.net> wrote:
>I have a Lennox natural gas furnace (Manufacturer's #4134768849 with a
>Honeywell VR8204A 2027 gas valve) which will occasionally fail to
>light. I discover this when I hear the fan running for a long time and
>realize the house is cooling down. The furnace is in the attic, so I
>can't just walk over and look at it whenever it is trying to start.
>
>When the thermostat calls for heat, I can hear the ignitor clicking
>and (looking through the louvers at the bottom of the furnace) will
>see a weak blue flame which disappears after a few seconds, then
>reappears for a few seconds, disappears, etc. Each time I have
>watched, the gas valve will eventually open and the burner lights and
>everything is fine - the furnace will run until the thermostat is
>satisfied. But, it sometimes takes a minute or more (haven't really
>timed it) before it lights.
>
>This initial flame appears to be a pilot flame, but from what I have
>read I think this furnace might have a MFS (Mercury Flame Sensor) and
>doesn't really use a pilot flame. If that is the case, why do I see
>this rather weak flame which appears to go out, come back on again, go
>out, etc. before the burner eventually lights?
>
>When I called a service company and explained what I saw, the owner
>said that what I described sounded rather odd. He said that although
>they are willing to come out and look at it, they weren't sure if they
>could fix it unless the furnace actually malfunctioned so that the
>burner wouldn't come on at all while the technician was there. I hate
>to spend the money on a service call ($55) only to have them tell me
>they can't do anything because it was working when they came out. So
>far, the furnace has failed to light only a few times, but I doubt
>that the furnace will fix itself.
>
>If I understood a little better how this works I might be able to
>watch it closer and give them better information.
>
>TIA,
>Harry
---------------------------------------
As I had expected, the situation slowly got worse and yesterday the
furnace wouldn't light at all. I decided to do some further
investigating and discovered that this furnace does indeed have a
pilot that is lit by an ignitor. So I took out the pilot and the tube
that goes from the gas valve to the orifice and blew them out with
compressed air. I replaced everything, but there was no improvement.
There was a very small flame which would flare up and then die down
again, like what I first observed, but weaker. I concluded that it
would probably be the gas valve, so I called the repair man.
He came out today and repaired the furnace. It took him just over two
hours. He told my wife (I was at work) that at first he was baffled,
but he concluded that the orifice for the pilot was dirty. He cleaned
it with a piece of wire which he found laying near the furnace. (Hmm,
I didn't think it was safe to do so, but maybe I'm an overly cautious
DIY'er.) And he charged $100, which I think is reasonable.
Harry
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-02-03, 10:21 pm |
| On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:19:00 -0600, HarryB <None@none.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:17:31 -0600, HarryB <None@none.net> wrote:
>
>---------------------------------------
>
>As I had expected, the situation slowly got worse and yesterday the
>furnace wouldn't light at all. I decided to do some further
>investigating and discovered that this furnace does indeed have a
>pilot that is lit by an ignitor. So I took out the pilot and the tube
>that goes from the gas valve to the orifice and blew them out with
>compressed air. I replaced everything, but there was no improvement.
>There was a very small flame which would flare up and then die down
>again, like what I first observed, but weaker. I concluded that it
>would probably be the gas valve, so I called the repair man.
>
>He came out today and repaired the furnace. It took him just over two
>hours. He told my wife (I was at work) that at first he was baffled,
>but he concluded that the orifice for the pilot was dirty. He cleaned
>it with a piece of wire which he found laying near the furnace. (Hmm,
>I didn't think it was safe to do so, but maybe I'm an overly cautious
>DIY'er.) And he charged $100, which I think is reasonable.
>
>Harry
Prepare to by a new furnace in the next few years, if your
house is still standing. He fucked it up.
Seriously. Count on it. He fucked it up. It's dangerous as
all hell right now.
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| So you probably saved money, because you might have replaced the gas valve
and after it still wouldn't start, you would have had to call someone.
"HarryB" <None@none.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:17:31 -0600, HarryB <None@none.net> wrote:
>
> ---------------------------------------
>
> As I had expected, the situation slowly got worse and yesterday the
> furnace wouldn't light at all. I decided to do some further
> investigating and discovered that this furnace does indeed have a
> pilot that is lit by an ignitor. So I took out the pilot and the tube
> that goes from the gas valve to the orifice and blew them out with
> compressed air. I replaced everything, but there was no improvement.
> There was a very small flame which would flare up and then die down
> again, like what I first observed, but weaker. I concluded that it
> would probably be the gas valve, so I called the repair man.
>
> He came out today and repaired the furnace. It took him just over two
> hours. He told my wife (I was at work) that at first he was baffled,
> but he concluded that the orifice for the pilot was dirty. He cleaned
> it with a piece of wire which he found laying near the furnace. (Hmm,
> I didn't think it was safe to do so, but maybe I'm an overly cautious
> DIY'er.) And he charged $100, which I think is reasonable.
>
> Harry
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| Bubba 2006-02-04, 10:21 am |
| On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:19:00 -0600, HarryB <None@none.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:17:31 -0600, HarryB <None@none.net> wrote:
>
>---------------------------------------
>
>As I had expected, the situation slowly got worse and yesterday the
>furnace wouldn't light at all. I decided to do some further
>investigating and discovered that this furnace does indeed have a
>pilot that is lit by an ignitor. So I took out the pilot and the tube
>that goes from the gas valve to the orifice and blew them out with
>compressed air. I replaced everything, but there was no improvement.
>There was a very small flame which would flare up and then die down
>again, like what I first observed, but weaker. I concluded that it
>would probably be the gas valve, so I called the repair man.
>
>He came out today and repaired the furnace. It took him just over two
>hours. He told my wife (I was at work) that at first he was baffled,
>but he concluded that the orifice for the pilot was dirty. He cleaned
>it with a piece of wire which he found laying near the furnace. (Hmm,
>I didn't think it was safe to do so, but maybe I'm an overly cautious
>DIY'er.) And he charged $100, which I think is reasonable.
>
>Harry
Harry,
The repair man left your furnace in a seriously dangerous condition.
You should never clean an orifice. You need to replace the pilot
assembly and gas valve as a matched pair. Call him back and insist he
replace them both. You could now have a gas leak or a bad furnace.
Make sure you install a digital thermostat when you do the repairs.
Bubba
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| gofish@gonefishin.net 2006-02-04, 12:21 pm |
| HarryB wrote:
>I have a Lennox natural gas furnace (Manufacturer's #4134768849 with a
>Honeywell VR8204A 2027 gas valve) which will occasionally fail to
>light. I discover this when I hear the fan running for a long time and
>realize the house is cooling down. The furnace is in the attic, so I
>can't just walk over and look at it whenever it is trying to start.
>
>When the thermostat calls for heat, I can hear the ignitor clicking
>and (looking through the louvers at the bottom of the furnace) will
>see a weak blue flame which disappears after a few seconds, then
>reappears for a few seconds, disappears, etc. Each time I have
>watched, the gas valve will eventually open and the burner lights and
>everything is fine - the furnace will run until the thermostat is
>satisfied. But, it sometimes takes a minute or more (haven't really
>timed it) before it lights.
>
>This initial flame appears to be a pilot flame, but from what I have
>read I think this furnace might have a MFS (Mercury Flame Sensor) and
>doesn't really use a pilot flame. If that is the case, why do I see
>this rather weak flame which appears to go out, come back on again, go
>out, etc. before the burner eventually lights?
>
>When I called a service company and explained what I saw, the owner
>said that what I described sounded rather odd. He said that although
>they are willing to come out and look at it, they weren't sure if they
>could fix it unless the furnace actually malfunctioned so that the
>burner wouldn't come on at all while the technician was there. I hate
>to spend the money on a service call ($55) only to have them tell me
>they can't do anything because it was working when they came out. So
>far, the furnace has failed to light only a few times, but I doubt
>that the furnace will fix itself.
>
>If I understood a little better how this works I might be able to
>watch it closer and give them better information.
>
>TIA,
>Harry
think about it Harry. The pilot oriface is plugged up, thus the small
pilot flame. Compressed air is not a good choice when unplugging a
plugged up oriface. Myself, I'll squirt wd40 in one end until I get
clear wd40 droplets out of the oriface. dry, re-assemble and your're
good to go. Changing the orifice size by reaming with wire is NOT
recommended.
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| Oscar_Lives 2006-02-04, 12:21 pm |
|
<gofish@gonefishin.net> wrote in message
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> HarryB wrote:
>
>
> think about it Harry. The pilot oriface is plugged up, thus the small
> pilot flame. Compressed air is not a good choice when unplugging a
> plugged up oriface. Myself, I'll squirt wd40 in one end until I get
> clear wd40 droplets out of the oriface. dry, re-assemble and your're
> good to go. Changing the orifice size by reaming with wire is NOT
> recommended.
That fucker's gonna blow soon.
Wonder what the diaphragm looks like?
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| They make various size and also adjustable orifice reaming tools.
<gofish@gonefishin.net> wrote in message
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> HarryB wrote:
>
>
> think about it Harry. The pilot oriface is plugged up, thus the small
> pilot flame. Compressed air is not a good choice when unplugging a
> plugged up oriface. Myself, I'll squirt wd40 in one end until I get
> clear wd40 droplets out of the oriface. dry, re-assemble and your're
> good to go. Changing the orifice size by reaming with wire is NOT
> recommended.
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| Probably look just like your wife's the last time Paul screwed her.
"Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
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>
> <gofish@gonefishin.net> wrote in message
> news:d6j9u1tvt2ppm8s30bged6bki6ne87c4eq@4ax.com...
>
>
> That fucker's gonna blow soon.
>
> Wonder what the diaphragm looks like?
>
>
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| In article <q7SdnXkra8Moc3neRVn-tg@comcast.com>,
"Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote:
> Probably look just like your wife's the last time Paul screwed her.
Whassamatter "Bob"? Can't get enough shit to eat at home?
--
Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name.
*Hack* *Hack* *hack*
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| On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:56:28 GMT, gofish@gonefishin.net wrote:
> HarryB wrote:
>
>
>think about it Harry. The pilot oriface is plugged up, thus the small
>pilot flame. Compressed air is not a good choice when unplugging a
>plugged up oriface. Myself, I'll squirt wd40 in one end until I get
>clear wd40 droplets out of the oriface. dry, re-assemble and your're
>good to go. Changing the orifice size by reaming with wire is NOT
>recommended.
WD-40?? In a pilot orifice???????? (orifice spelled correctly)
Have you seen what gets in a pilot orifice, Fish?
And you want to spray lubricating oil in it?
OOOOOOOOOkayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. Whatever.
Bubba
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| gofish@gonefishin.net 2006-02-04, 10:21 pm |
| Bubba wrote:
>
>WD-40?? In a pilot orifice???????? (orifice spelled correctly)
>Have you seen what gets in a pilot orifice, Fish?
>And you want to spray lubricating oil in it?
>OOOOOOOOOkayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. Whatever.
>Bubba
I dunno, it works for me every time Bubba. When it fails to produce
results, I'll move on to something else, like selling them a new
furnace or changing the orifice. Personally, I dont consider wd40 as
a lubricating fluid, more like a degreaser. I know one thing, it
sure works wonders on removing Henry 204.
ps: I spelled one word wrong. find it.
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| Power's Mechanical 2006-02-04, 10:21 pm |
| The best way to clean burners is wash them. That applies to orifices
also.
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| On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:13:10 -0500, "Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote:
>Probably look just like your wife's the last time Paul screwed her.
>
Uh look Bob. Pj is gay and proud. I dont like the XXXXXXX but
show some couth, he cant help it.. Playing on his sexuality is low,
he isnt into women.
If you cant do that, you will never fit in.
| |
|
| Explain to me why I would want to fit in with a bunch of gay egotistical
hacks? If they kept their trash talking within their own little group I
would've had no problem, but they're the ones who started in on me. And
their incessant denunciation of home owners negatively reflects on the whole
HVAC industry. I realize that just like every other group of people, some
home owners can be assholes, but that doesn't give them any reason to flame
every one who comes here.
"ftwhd" <ftwhd@home.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:13:10 -0500, "Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Uh look Bob. Pj is gay and proud. I dont like the XXXXXXX but
> show some couth, he cant help it.. Playing on his sexuality is low,
> he isnt into women.
>
> If you cant do that, you will never fit in.
>
>
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| Oscar_Lives 2006-02-05, 11:21 am |
|
"Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Explain to me why I would want to fit in with a bunch of gay egotistical
> hacks? If they kept their trash talking within their own little group I
> would've had no problem, but they're the ones who started in on me. And
> their incessant denunciation of home owners negatively reflects on the
> whole
> HVAC industry. I realize that just like every other group of people, some
> home owners can be assholes, but that doesn't give them any reason to
> flame
> every one who comes here.
you are an obsession
I cannot sleep
I am a possession unopened at your feet.
There's no balance
no equality
Be still
I will not accept defeat.
I will have you
yes
I will have you
I will find a way and I will have you.
Like a butterfly
a wild butterfly
I will collect you and capture you.
You are an obsession
you're my obsession
Who do you want me to be to make you sleep with me?
You are an obsession
you're my obsession
Who do you want me to be to make you sleep with me?
I feed you and drink you by day and by night.
I need you
I need you by sun and candle light.
You protest
you want to leave.
Stay
oh
there's no alternative.
You see some beauty here
I see some beauty there
But I see danger
stranger beware.
A circumstance
when you make your dreams
Your affection is not what it seems.
You are an obsession
you're my obsession
.. . .
My fantasy has turned to madness
And all my goodness has turned to badness.
My need to possess you has consumed my soul.
My life is trembling
I have no control!
I will have you
yes
I will have you
.. . .
You are an obsession
you're my obsession
.. . .
You are an obsession
you're my obsession
.. . .
You are an obsession
you're my obsession
.. . .
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| CAVHBC 2006-02-05, 12:21 pm |
|
"Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Explain to me why I would want to fit in with a bunch of gay egotistical
> hacks? If they kept their trash talking within their own little group I
> would've had no problem, but they're the ones who started in on me. And
> their incessant denunciation of home owners negatively reflects on the
> whole
> HVAC industry. I realize that just like every other group of people, some
> home owners can be assholes, but that doesn't give them any reason to
> flame
> every one who comes here.
>
Idiot...you are too fucking stupid to even know why you are being picked
on...poor Bobby...
> "ftwhd" <ftwhd@home.com> wrote in message
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>
>
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|
| Dipshit.
Did you just open your dictionary and come up with all those "pretty"
words. No one is impressed.
..................and where did someone die and appoint you as boss?
Here, take this rope and suck on it but do NOT leave. You're rather
fun to have around.
Bubba
(by the way....I pissed on that rope)
On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:57:58 -0500, "Bob" <bobb25@comcast.net> wrote:
>Explain to me why I would want to fit in with a bunch of gay egotistical
>hacks? If they kept their trash talking within their own little group I
>would've had no problem, but they're the ones who started in on me. And
>their incessant denunciation of home owners negatively reflects on the whole
>HVAC industry. I realize that just like every other group of people, some
>home owners can be assholes, but that doesn't give them any reason to flame
>every one who comes here.
>
>"ftwhd" <ftwhd@home.com> wrote in message
>news:jbjau1912jpf0i0rrd4ecak3v3g35eh4c5@4ax.com...
>
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| HarryB 2006-02-07, 9:21 am |
| On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:17:31 -0600, HarryB <None@none.net> wrote:
>I have a Lennox natural gas furnace (Manufacturer's #4134768849 with a
>Honeywell VR8204A 2027 gas valve) which will occasionally fail to
>light. I discover this when I hear the fan running for a long time and
>realize the house is cooling down. The furnace is in the attic, so I
>can't just walk over and look at it whenever it is trying to start.
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etc. I have an extensive library of books from which I have learned a
great deal, but another valuable resource has been the usenet which I
have accessed for the last 15 or so years.
Due to the range of my projects, I have requested information (and
reciprocated when appropriate) from dozens of newsgroups. I have
received many responses, most of which have been thoughtful and often
helpful. Normally I lurk for a while on a particular ng to see if it
is an appropriate place for my question. This time my situation was
more urgent and I obviously posted to the wrong ng.
In most of the ng's that I have subscribed to, when someone
inadvertently posts an inappropriate question, someone will normally
suggest a more suitable place. But it appears that many of the posters
to this ng have a mentality far below that of the type of people I
normally associate with. I doubt that this is representative of the
HVAC industry as a whole, so maybe a bunch of low-lifes have taken
over this ng. They remind me of when I was a young teenager and we
thought it was "cool" to see how much vulgarity and profanity we could
use in an effort to out do each other. Fortunately I grew up, but it
appears that many of the posters here are very immature.
Harry
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| Oscar_Lives 2006-02-07, 10:21 am |
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"HarryB" <None@none.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:17:31 -0600, HarryB <None@none.net> wrote:
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But it appears that many of the posters
> to this ng have a mentality far below that of the type of people I
> normally associate with. I doubt that this is representative of the
> HVAC industry as a whole, so maybe a bunch of low-lifes have taken
> over this ng. They remind me of when I was a young teenager and we
> thought it was "cool" to see how much vulgarity and profanity we could
> use in an effort to out do each other. Fortunately I grew up, but it
> appears that many of the posters here are very immature.
>
> Harry
FUCKIN' "A"!!!
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| CAVHBC 2006-02-07, 10:21 am |
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"Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:ww1Gf.538672$084.223336@attbi_s22...
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> "HarryB" <None@none.net> wrote in message
> news:pd1hu1tsfj759hb88djhut6o8s2ht6n9ne@4ax.com...
> But it appears that many of the posters
>
> FUCKIN' "A"!!!
>
Like...dats so fucking kewl man....
Anybody know what in hell that HarryBalls is talking about? Hes so
like..fucked in the mothrfucking goddamn head...LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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| Tekkie® 2006-02-07, 10:21 pm |
| HarryB posted for all of us...
I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.
> use in an effort to out do each other. Fortunately I grew up, but it
> appears that many of the posters here are very immature.
>
> Harry
>
I resemble dat remarc.
--
My boss said I was dumb and apathetic.
I said I don't know and I don't care...
Tekkie
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