Heating and air conditioning - Convert Rheem Outdoor AC Unit to Heat Pump?

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Convert Rheem Outdoor AC Unit to Heat Pump?

Jim Miller

2006-02-13, 7:21 pm

I had a Rheem 3.5 ton split system put in my house about a year ago, I
replaced an old Arcoaire heat pump system. The new Rheem outdoor unit is an
AC-only type, the indoor unit has heat strips, but I think it will handle a
heat pump if I had been smart enough to go that way to begin with. The new
system is a Rheem RAPB-042JAZ outdoor, RheemRBHK24J11 indoor. Works great
in summer. But my Florida Power bills are killing me in winter with the heat
strips. My question: Is it possible to retrofit the AC only outdoor unit
with reversing value etc. to make it operate as a heat pump? Otherwise what
am I looking at cost-wise to lift the existing "almost new" AC unit and
replace it with a true heat pump? If I can recoup my costs, what's the
resale value of my 1-2 year old outdoor AC unit?

Thanks
Jim M.

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2006-02-13, 7:21 pm

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:27:20 GMT, "Jim Miller"
<jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote:

>I had a Rheem 3.5 ton split system put in my house about a year ago, I
>replaced an old Arcoaire heat pump system. The new Rheem outdoor unit is an
>AC-only type, the indoor unit has heat strips, but I think it will handle a
>heat pump if I had been smart enough to go that way to begin with. The new
>system is a Rheem RAPB-042JAZ outdoor, RheemRBHK24J11 indoor. Works great
>in summer. But my Florida Power bills are killing me in winter with the heat
>strips. My question: Is it possible to retrofit the AC only outdoor unit
>with reversing value etc. to make it operate as a heat pump?

No

> Otherwise what
>am I looking at cost-wise to lift the existing "almost new" AC unit and
>replace it with a true heat pump?

Doing you own fucking homework ?

> If I can recoup my costs, what's the
>resale value of my 1-2 year old outdoor AC unit?

Zero.

Now take your lazy fucking cheap-assed bullshit to
alt.home.repair

>
>Thanks
>Jim M.
>

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Bubba

2006-02-13, 8:21 pm

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:27:20 GMT, "Jim Miller"
<jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote:

>I had a Rheem 3.5 ton split system put in my house about a year ago, I
>replaced an old Arcoaire heat pump system. The new Rheem outdoor unit is an
>AC-only type, the indoor unit has heat strips, but I think it will handle a
>heat pump if I had been smart enough to go that way to begin with. The new
>system is a Rheem RAPB-042JAZ outdoor, RheemRBHK24J11 indoor. Works great
>in summer. But my Florida Power bills are killing me in winter with the heat
>strips. My question: Is it possible to retrofit the AC only outdoor unit
>with reversing value etc. to make it operate as a heat pump? Otherwise what
>am I looking at cost-wise to lift the existing "almost new" AC unit and
>replace it with a true heat pump? If I can recoup my costs, what's the
>resale value of my 1-2 year old outdoor AC unit?
>
>Thanks
>Jim M.
>

You went cheap and now its bit you in the XXX. Now you will spend 2 to
3 times what it should have cost you in the beginning to get the
heatpump set up. Your used unit is basically worthless unless you can
find some sucker. Sorry bout cher luck. Suck it up and take your
lumps. Dont be so cheap next time.
Bubba

Noon-Air

2006-02-13, 8:21 pm

"Jim Miller" <jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:cJ7If.14$_c.0@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>I had a Rheem 3.5 ton split system put in my house about a year ago, I
>replaced an old Arcoaire heat pump system. The new Rheem outdoor unit is an
>AC-only type, the indoor unit has heat strips, but I think it will handle a
>heat pump if I had been smart enough to go that way to begin with. The new
>system is a Rheem RAPB-042JAZ outdoor, RheemRBHK24J11 indoor. Works great
>in summer. But my Florida Power bills are killing me in winter with the
>heat strips. My question: Is it possible to retrofit the AC only outdoor
>unit with reversing value etc. to make it operate as a heat pump?
>Otherwise what am I looking at cost-wise to lift the existing "almost new"
>AC unit and replace it with a true heat pump? If I can recoup my costs,
>what's the resale value of my 1-2 year old outdoor AC unit?
>
> Thanks
> Jim M.

With enough money, anything is possible. The change-out to a RPPB-042JAZ
will cost you roughly $4100 plus any applicable taxes. Your milage may vary.
The resale value of the old condenser will be approximately $2 per hundred
at the local scrap yard.

CAVHBC

2006-02-13, 8:21 pm

"Jim Miller" <jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:cJ7If.14$_c.0@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>I had a Rheem 3.5 ton split system put in my house about a year ago, I
>replaced an old Arcoaire heat pump system. The new Rheem outdoor unit is an
>AC-only type, the indoor unit has heat strips, but I think it will handle a
>heat pump if I had been smart enough to go that way to begin with. The new
>system is a Rheem RAPB-042JAZ outdoor, RheemRBHK24J11 indoor. Works great
>in summer. But my Florida Power bills are killing me in winter with the
>heat strips. My question: Is it possible to retrofit the AC only outdoor
>unit with reversing value etc. to make it operate as a heat pump?

Lets see..Yup. Sure is.
Cheaper to buy the heat pump. Seriously.

> Otherwise what am I looking at cost-wise to lift the existing "almost
> new" AC unit and replace it with a true heat pump?

Figure $3900 and up....

> If I can recoup my costs, what's the resale value of my 1-2 year old
> outdoor AC unit?

Well, if you take the time to scrap it right, about.....$20

Thats not a typo..TWENTY bux.

>
> Thanks
> Jim M.
>

Jim M.

2006-02-13, 10:21 pm

Thanks for the answers, all but the first one were useful. The guy that put
the original Rheem in quoted 1800 to 2K to replace outdoor unit with a heat
pump. But then I went with him originally because he didn't BS his
customers. Can't beat that.

Jim M.

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Jim M.
"Jim Miller" <jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:cJ7If.14$_c.0@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>I had a Rheem 3.5 ton split system put in my house about a year ago, I
>replaced an old Arcoaire heat pump system. The new Rheem outdoor unit is an
>AC-only type, the indoor unit has heat strips, but I think it will handle a
>heat pump if I had been smart enough to go that way to begin with. The new
>system is a Rheem RAPB-042JAZ outdoor, RheemRBHK24J11 indoor. Works great
>in summer. But my Florida Power bills are killing me in winter with the
>heat strips. My question: Is it possible to retrofit the AC only outdoor
>unit with reversing value etc. to make it operate as a heat pump?
>Otherwise what am I looking at cost-wise to lift the existing "almost new"
>AC unit and replace it with a true heat pump? If I can recoup my costs,
>what's the resale value of my 1-2 year old outdoor AC unit?
>
> Thanks
> Jim M.
>

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2006-02-13, 10:21 pm

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:45:21 GMT, "Jim M."
<jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote:

>Thanks for the answers, all but the first one were useful. The guy that put

The first one was the best and most informative, you fucking
moron.

You're a cheap XXXXXXX, and the fucking you took on this unit
is only one in a long line.

>the original Rheem in quoted 1800 to 2K to replace outdoor unit with a heat
>pump. But then I went with him originally because he didn't BS his
>customers. Can't beat that.
>
>Jim M.

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Bubba

2006-02-14, 12:21 am

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:45:21 GMT, "Jim M."
<jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote:

>Thanks for the answers, all but the first one were useful. The guy that put
>the original Rheem in quoted 1800 to 2K to replace outdoor unit with a heat
>pump. But then I went with him originally because he didn't BS his
>customers. Can't beat that.
>
>Jim M.

Cant handle the truth eh, Jim? Sorry bud but Im just not into sugar
coating shit. Like I said. You went cheap and now you've found out
what your decision cost you. Again, next time, dont be so cheap. You
saved nothing with that decision.
Bubba

Murdentech

2006-02-14, 8:21 am

Take yer Prozac, Paul... the guy just asked if it was possible and / or cost
effective.
He admitted his oversight by going AC in the first place.
I've had customers ask me the same questions.

And he didn't say he was going to do the work himself. He has a contractor
on hand, so that should be his first reference point. But he wants our
"humble" opinions anyway.

Jeff

<.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:45:21 GMT, "Jim M."
> <jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> The first one was the best and most informative, you fucking
> moron.
>
> You're a cheap XXXXXXX, and the fucking you took on this unit
> is only one in a long line.
>
>
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> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
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> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2006-02-14, 11:21 am

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:12:16 GMT, "Murdentech" <j. murden @ insight
bb.com> wrote:

>Take yer Prozac, Paul... the guy just asked if it was possible and / or cost
>effective.
>He admitted his oversight by going AC in the first place.
>I've had customers ask me the same questions.
>
>And he didn't say he was going to do the work himself. He has a contractor
>on hand, so that should be his first reference point. But he wants our
>"humble" opinions anyway.

And this is NOT a home-owner advice forum, Jeff. It wasn't
before, and it's not now.

>
>Jeff
>
>
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>

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gofish@gonefishin.net

2006-02-14, 2:21 pm

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:45:21 GMT, "Jim M."
><jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> The first one was the best and most informative, you fucking
>moron.
>
> You're a cheap XXXXXXX, and the fucking you took on this unit
>is only one in a long line.
yo paul, if you had less shit-for-brains and more people skills,
you'd realize not all people are obsessed with obscenity, especially
when said obscenity is pointedly directed at them. being gay, you
probably know all there is to know about taking a fucking.

ftwhd

2006-02-14, 5:21 pm

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:18:07 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:
[color=darkred]
>On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:12:16 GMT, "Murdentech" <j. murden @ insight
>bb.com> wrote:
>
>
> And this is NOT a home-owner advice forum, Jeff. It wasn't
>before, and it's not now.
>
>
>
A simple google search on old posts by you would indicate different.

Bubba

2006-02-14, 6:21 pm

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:08:00 -0500, ftwhd <ftwhd@home.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:18:07 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
>wrote:
>
>A simple google search on old posts by you would indicate different.

Ahh look. .................speaking of the village idiot............
(you knew that one was coming Mike. Its been a little boring so I
thought Id stir the pot and see what comes out)
Bubba

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2006-02-14, 6:21 pm

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:27:31 GMT, Bubba <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com>>
wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:08:00 -0500, ftwhd <ftwhd@home.com> wrote:
>
>
>Ahh look. .................speaking of the village idiot............
>(you knew that one was coming Mike. Its been a little boring so I
>thought Id stir the pot and see what comes out)
>Bubba

I see Mikey's still drooling over my evey word.

Do you think he'll EVER get over not being me ?????

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Jim M.

2006-02-14, 9:21 pm

Wow, hope everyone had a nice (or enjoyable?) valentines day. Sounds like
some of you need some. Well when you get old and have inhaled enough freon,
I guess it gets to the brain. Are all HVAC "professionals" like this?
Maybe your biz would improve if you had more of a "customer comes firts"
attitude. By the way, I have a graduate degree and 30 years experience in
professional engineering, and probably earn enough in a day to pay for a new
unit. Disposable income, ya know. Play money. But I'm just stubborn
enough to keep seeing if I can find some smart HVAC student at the local
vocational school who wants a little weekend project, and to debunk some of
the BS the so-called "pros" give me. Sounds like it would be fun. Thanks
for the laughs guys.

--

Jim M.
"Bubba >" <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:45:21 GMT, "Jim M."
> <jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> Cant handle the truth eh, Jim? Sorry bud but Im just not into sugar
> coating shit. Like I said. You went cheap and now you've found out
> what your decision cost you. Again, next time, dont be so cheap. You
> saved nothing with that decision.
> Bubba

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2006-02-14, 9:21 pm

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:38:51 GMT, "Jim M."
<jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote:

>Wow, hope everyone had a nice (or enjoyable?) valentines day. Sounds like
>some of you need some. Well when you get old and have inhaled enough freon,
>I guess it gets to the brain. Are all HVAC "professionals" like this?

Look, you lame-assed fuckwit.....

This is NOT a place for assholes like YOU to come get FREE
FUCKING ADVICE !!!!!

Now, fuck off and die.

>Maybe your biz would improve if you had more of a "customer comes firts"
>attitude. By the way, I have a graduate degree and 30 years experience in
>professional engineering, and probably earn enough in a day to pay for a new

I'm Soooo fucking impressed. How come you're still so fucking
stupid ? And cheap-assed ?

>unit. Disposable income, ya know. Play money. But I'm just stubborn
>enough to keep seeing if I can find some smart HVAC student at the local
>vocational school who wants a little weekend project, and to debunk some of
>the BS the so-called "pros" give me. Sounds like it would be fun. Thanks
>for the laughs guys.

No, thank YOU.

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CAVHBC

2006-02-14, 9:21 pm

"Jim M." <jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Wow, hope everyone had a nice (or enjoyable?) valentines day. Sounds like
> some of you need some. Well when you get old and have inhaled enough
> freon, I guess it gets to the brain. Are all HVAC "professionals" like
> this? Maybe your biz would improve if you had more of a "customer comes
> firts" attitude. By the way, I have a graduate degree and 30 years
> experience in professional engineering, and probably earn enough in a day
> to pay for a new unit. Disposable income, ya know. Play money. But I'm
> just stubborn enough to keep seeing if I can find some smart HVAC student
> at the local vocational school who wants a little weekend project, and to
> debunk some of the BS the so-called "pros" give me. Sounds like it would
> be fun. Thanks for the laughs guys.
>

Bullshit.
OMG...this is hilarious.....if you had fucking "disposable income" your
silly XXX would not have cheaped out and gone with AC only....
I have customers that can barely make it from month to month but they wont
cheap out on a new unit...damn..just when you think you heard it all.

Customers DO come first...and if you had the smarts you think you do, you
would know that a customer, is one thats in front of you with money to
spend...not some wannabe on the net.

Now...pardon me...Im gonna go laugh some more about that earning in a day
comment..LOL...thats rich man...omg..that is so funny..

> --
>
> Jim M.
> "Bubba >" <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com> wrote in message
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>
>

Bubba

2006-02-14, 10:21 pm

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:38:51 GMT, "Jim M."
<jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote:

>Wow, hope everyone had a nice (or enjoyable?) valentines day. Sounds like
>some of you need some. Well when you get old and have inhaled enough freon,
>I guess it gets to the brain. Are all HVAC "professionals" like this?
>Maybe your biz would improve if you had more of a "customer comes firts"
>attitude. By the way, I have a graduate degree and 30 years experience in
>professional engineering, and probably earn enough in a day to pay for a new
>unit. Disposable income, ya know. Play money. But I'm just stubborn
>enough to keep seeing if I can find some smart HVAC student at the local
>vocational school who wants a little weekend project, and to debunk some of
>the BS the so-called "pros" give me. Sounds like it would be fun. Thanks
>for the laughs guys.

Graduate degree and a pro engineer and cant even spell "first"
(customer comes firts).
I didn't know units cost less than $100. Hell, you must be rich with
that kind of play money?
By the way, Valentines Day gets capitalized............but you being
an engineer with all that disposable money, you probably knew that?
Dont forget to flush when you finish cleaning those toilets.
Bubba

Tekkie®

2006-02-14, 11:21 pm

Jim M. posted for all of us...
I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.

> Wow, hope everyone had a nice (or enjoyable?) valentines day. Sounds like
> some of you need some. Well when you get old and have inhaled enough freon,
> I guess it gets to the brain. Are all HVAC "professionals" like this?
> Maybe your biz would improve if you had more of a "customer comes firts"
> attitude. By the way, I have a graduate degree and 30 years experience in
> professional engineering, and probably earn enough in a day to pay for a new

I saw this coming! I mean who couldn't? All alike...
> unit. Disposable income, ya know. Play money. But I'm just stubborn
> enough to keep seeing if I can find some smart HVAC student at the local
> vocational school who wants a little weekend project, and to debunk some of
> the BS the so-called "pros" give me. Sounds like it would be fun. Thanks
> for the laughs guys.
>
Right, you are going to pay some kid to hurt himself, violate laws, can't find
his XXX with either hand - for what? To prove you ARE a cheap bastard. The
only disposable income is your Depends allotment. You denigrate the pros here
then expect a homey to know more than them. Do you still use a slide rule or
have you graduated to a $5 calculator. Engineer your way out of this choo choo
Charlie....
--
My boss said I was dumb and apathetic.
I said I don't know and I don't care...

Tekkie

Oscar_Lives

2006-02-15, 12:21 am

<.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:27:31 GMT, Bubba <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com>>
> wrote:
>
>
> I see Mikey's still drooling over my evey word.
>
> Do you think he'll EVER get over not being me ?????

Maybe if you'd toss him a few minions of his own he would feel a little
better...

>
>
> --
>
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
>
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

Oscar_Lives

2006-02-15, 12:21 am

Jim M.

2006-02-15, 1:21 am

I love you guys.

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Jim M.
"Bubba >" <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:45:21 GMT, "Jim M."
> <jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> Cant handle the truth eh, Jim? Sorry bud but Im just not into sugar
> coating shit. Like I said. You went cheap and now you've found out
> what your decision cost you. Again, next time, dont be so cheap. You
> saved nothing with that decision.
> Bubba

Noon-Air

2006-02-15, 1:21 am

"Jim M." <jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:RCaIf.26394$g47.2875@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> Thanks for the answers, all but the first one were useful. The guy that
> put the original Rheem in quoted 1800 to 2K to replace outdoor unit with a
> heat pump. But then I went with him originally because he didn't BS his
> customers. Can't beat that.
>
> Jim M.

I have a couple of things about this reply that bother me..... 1800 - 2K to
replace the a/c for a heat pump?? Thats just for installation, right?? It
better be because I can't get the new heat pump for that...unless he is
getting his equipment out the back door.... It would suck to be you if it
turned out that the unit was stolen. If he is still going to replace the
unit, check the model number to make sure its a RPPB-042JAZ so you will at
least have the same 14SEER efficiency with the new unit that you had on the
old one.

Jim M.

2006-02-15, 5:21 am

Yep that's 1800-2K to lift the old outdoor unit (AC) and drop in a
compatible Rheem heat pump. Tax, tags and labor. Maybe you guys are
getting screwed by your suppliers. Better shop around.

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Jim M.
"Noon-Air" <Noon-Air@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Jim M." <jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:RCaIf.26394$g47.2875@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>
> I have a couple of things about this reply that bother me..... 1800 - 2K
> to replace the a/c for a heat pump?? Thats just for installation, right??
> It better be because I can't get the new heat pump for that...unless he is
> getting his equipment out the back door.... It would suck to be you if it
> turned out that the unit was stolen. If he is still going to replace the
> unit, check the model number to make sure its a RPPB-042JAZ so you will at
> least have the same 14SEER efficiency with the new unit that you had on
> the old one.
>

PrecisionMechanical

2006-02-15, 5:21 am

<.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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>
> I see Mikey's still drooling over my evey word.
>
> Do you think he'll EVER get over not being me ?????
>

....MAYBE...

*IF* he could just somehow become a fucking "grinder operator"....

( Probly not goina happen though--beings as that particular Union has a MUCH
better screening process )...

<G>

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SVL

PrecisionMechanical

2006-02-15, 6:21 am

"Jim Miller" <jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I had a Rheem 3.5 ton split system put in my house about a year ago, I
> replaced an old Arcoaire heat pump system. The new Rheem outdoor unit is
an
> AC-only type, the indoor unit has heat strips, but I think it will handle
a
> heat pump if I had been smart enough to go that way to begin with. The
new
> system is a Rheem RAPB-042JAZ outdoor, RheemRBHK24J11 indoor. Works great
> in summer. But my Florida Power bills are killing me in winter with the
heat
> strips. My question: Is it possible to retrofit the AC only outdoor unit
> with reversing value etc. to make it operate as a heat pump? Otherwise
what
> am I looking at cost-wise to lift the existing "almost new" AC unit and
> replace it with a true heat pump? If I can recoup my costs, what's the
> resale value of my 1-2 year old outdoor AC unit?
>

Actually, could be done..most likely the housings, etc are identical--find
same model unit inna heat pump version that has a bad compressor and then
swap out fittings, valve, controls, etc.

Cost effective only if someone has lotsa spare time on their hands, posseses
task specific tools, knowledge, and so on....

But to do this in the field...well, sorry..but that's just not gonna happen,
at least not here in the USA....

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PrecisionMechanical

2006-02-15, 6:21 am

"Bubba >" <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com> wrote in message
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..
>
> Ahh look. .................speaking of the village idiot............
> (you knew that one was coming Mike. Its been a little boring so I
> thought Id stir the pot and see what comes out)
>

So it would appear that Bob has made his way back home then....

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PrecisionMechanical

2006-02-15, 6:21 am

PrecisionMechanical

2006-02-15, 7:21 am

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim M." <jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com>
Newsgroups: alt.hvac
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Convert Rheem Outdoor AC Unit to Heat Pump?

> Wow, hope everyone had a nice (or enjoyable?) valentines day. Sounds like
> some of you need some. Well when you get old and have inhaled enough
freon,
> I guess it gets to the brain. Are all HVAC "professionals" like this?

Taking a poll are we ???

> Maybe your biz would improve if you had more of a "customer comes firts"
> attitude.

Maybe yours would degrade....everyone should pick their customers carefully,
I suggest...

> By the way, I have a graduate degree and 30 years experience in
> professional engineering, and probably earn enough in a day to pay for a
new
> unit.

Well, I only work for fun these days.....and I'm not even in hvac....

> Disposable income, ya know. Play money. But I'm just stubborn
> enough to keep seeing if I can find some smart HVAC student at the local
> vocational school who wants a little weekend project, and to debunk some
of
> the BS the so-called "pros" give me. Sounds like it would be fun. Thanks
> for the laughs guys.
>

Probly a good thing that you've learned how to "earn" money so
fast--otherwise, you'd have too little spare time in which to figure out new
ways to screw others outa their own hard earned cash.....

Even Bill Gates admits that much of his success was due to "luck of the
draw" ( as do I )

Suggest philantrophy or some kinda unpaid volunteer public service might be
in order for you.

Money can't buy happiness, almost everyone knows....

Fucking putz.

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PrecisionMechanical

2006-02-15, 7:21 am

"Jim M." <jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I love you guys.

But WE hate you--and its your problem not ours...

....SO...

Suggest just Ben Dover one more time an let ole Sammy have his way wit choo
too....

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Al Moran

2006-02-15, 9:21 am

Murdentech

2006-02-15, 9:21 am

> Ahh look. .................speaking of the village idiot............

> (you knew that one was coming Mike. Its been a little boring so I
> thought Id stir the pot and see what comes out)

> Bubba

Bubba, you just can't resist now can you?

.... hey Mike.... long time.

Noon-Air

2006-02-15, 10:21 am

"Jim M." <jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:PyBIf.27417$g47.17217@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> Yep that's 1800-2K to lift the old outdoor unit (AC) and drop in a
> compatible Rheem heat pump. Tax, tags and labor. Maybe you guys are
> getting screwed by your suppliers. Better shop around.

I hope your not in a rush to get the work done, the 14SEER Rheem heat pumps
won't even be shipped from the factory for another couple of weeks. Your
installer is most probably still working from last years price list... won't
he be surprised when he goes to pay for the new one. BTW... has he been to
school yet for the new equipment??

Bubba

2006-02-15, 2:21 pm

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:04:12 GMT, "Murdentech" <j. murden @ insight
bb.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>Bubba, you just can't resist now can you?
>
>... hey Mike.... long time.
>

Ahhhhh, you know.
Some things just have to be done especially since Mikey and I are such
good "buddies" now. :-)
Bubba

Bubba

2006-02-15, 2:21 pm

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:24:15 GMT, "Jim M."
<jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote:

>Yep that's 1800-2K to lift the old outdoor unit (AC) and drop in a
>compatible Rheem heat pump. Tax, tags and labor. Maybe you guys are
>getting screwed by your suppliers. Better shop around.

Pay attention guys.........
He said "compatible". Hell, I can make a Junk-a-trol compatible.
This is most likely exactly what he is getting for that price. No
indoor coil or unit, no drier, no disconnect. Hell, the guy is
probably using the old refrigerant over. Some fella's just never
learn. Your just due for another spankin Jimmy boy.
Bubba

Bill

2006-02-15, 3:21 pm

In article <sjh4v11nlg5pe685ltio4b6fsccrg6char@4ax.com>,
ftwhd <ftwhd@home.com> wrote:

> A simple google search on old posts by you would indicate different.

A search on you mikey reveals you're an XXXXXXX. You're just pissed Bush
won. Twice. LOL

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Bill

2006-02-15, 3:21 pm

In article <2k44v15jthegnsj1fok0rrom7o2c5df04c@4ax.com>,
gofish@gonefishin.net wrote:

> being gay, you
> probably know all there is to know about taking a fucking.

That's your area of expertise fish. BOHICA

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Jim M.

2006-02-15, 8:21 pm

Finally, now we're talking - so it CAN be done. Where can I find a plumbing
diagram and parts list for the outdoor units?

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"PrecisionMechanical" <precisionmachinist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:DpudnWrztf21b2_enZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@scnresearch.com...
>
> "Jim Miller" <jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:cJ7If.14$_c.0@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> an
> a
> new
> heat
> what
>
> Actually, could be done..most likely the housings, etc are identical--find
> same model unit inna heat pump version that has a bad compressor and then
> swap out fittings, valve, controls, etc.
>
> Cost effective only if someone has lotsa spare time on their hands,
> posseses
> task specific tools, knowledge, and so on....
>
> But to do this in the field...well, sorry..but that's just not gonna
> happen,
> at least not here in the USA....
>
> --
>
> SVL
>
>

Bubba

2006-02-15, 9:21 pm

Noon-Air

2006-02-15, 10:21 pm

"Jim M." <jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:w_OIf.24897$Fw6.4515@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> Finally, now we're talking - so it CAN be done. Where can I find a
> plumbing diagram and parts list for the outdoor units?

I told you before.. anything is possible if you have enough money......
You cheaped out once, and now its come home to roost.
If you really want to change your a/c over to a heat pump.....

Here's a start...
Completely re-plumb the outside unit and add a reversing valve, an
accumulator, an expansion valve, a high pressure safety cut off switch, a
low pressure safety cut off switch, a suction line filter/drier, a liquid
line filter/drier, heat pump condenser coils, compressor(no its not
generally the same one as for a/c), A demand defrost board with sensor,
hard start kit, and a delay-on-break timer, then completely re-wire the
controls, and run a new 18-6 wire from the heat pump to the air
handler...the 2 conductor wire from the a/c won't work. Keep in mind that
before everything is brazed up, it has to be purged with dry N2, then
evacuated to 400 microns before being charged again. By the time you get
done screwing around with all this stuff, and trying to build a new heat
pump part by part, you could have had a complete new *MATCHING* heat pump
installed by a *competent*, licensed, insured, professionally trained, HVAC
technician, and got the full warranty to boot.

Consider this... in the '70s, they built a new Ford Pinto with new parts off
the shelf from the ground up...That little $3,000 Pinto ended up costing
over $14,000 to build. You can get the conversion done with no warranty, and
at 3 times the cost, or you can get it replaced with the matching 14 SEER
heat pump.

Now..... quit being so damned ignorant and get it done right.

PrecisionMechanical

2006-02-16, 12:21 am

<.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
news:ahg7v1dg7i7dssonhjt9rkovff0u1mecul@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:41:16 GMT, "Jim M."
> <jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
plumbing[color=darkred]
>
> Up your XXX, moron.
>

No need for a pole even--they be just jumpin right into the boat.....

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Noon-Air

2006-02-16, 1:21 am

"PrecisionMechanical" <precisionmachinist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:DpudnWrztf21b2_enZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@scnresearch.com...
>
> "Jim Miller" <jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:cJ7If.14$_c.0@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> an
> a
> new
> heat
> what
>
> Actually, could be done..most likely the housings, etc are identical--find
> same model unit inna heat pump version that has a bad compressor and then
> swap out fittings, valve, controls, etc.
>
> Cost effective only if someone has lotsa spare time on their hands,
> posseses
> task specific tools, knowledge, and so on....
>
> But to do this in the field...well, sorry..but that's just not gonna
> happen,
> at least not here in the USA....

Only problem with that is the availability of the equipment.

PrecisionMechanical

2006-02-16, 1:21 am

"Noon-Air" <Noon-Air@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:J6WdnRpQtp0lYG7eRVn-jg@comcast.com...
>
> "PrecisionMechanical" <precisionmachinist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:DpudnWrztf21b2_enZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@scnresearch.com...
is[color=darkred]
handle[color=darkred]
unit[color=darkred]
identical--find[color=darkred]
then[color=darkred]
>
> Only problem with that is the availability of the equipment.
>

Franken-heat pump...

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SVL

Murdentech

2006-02-16, 10:21 am

Dude, anything can be done... question is if it's cost effective or not.

The only thing you end up reusing is the coil, cabinet and fan.

Sum of the parts are greater that the whole. Much greater in this case:

Change the compressor to one rated for heat pump use,
install suction accumulator,
install reversing valve,
install defrost control board and sensors,
install piston or TXV in outdoor unit,
install bi-flow filter drier,
install true suction service port.....

what else am I forgetting guys???

BTW, forget product liability. Now you don't have a Rheem, you have a unit
custom built by Billy Bob.

Jeff Murden

"Jim M." <jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:w_OIf.24897$Fw6.4515@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> Finally, now we're talking - so it CAN be done. Where can I find a
> plumbing diagram and parts list for the outdoor units?
>
> --
>
> Jim M.

Noon-Air

2006-02-16, 11:21 am

"Murdentech" <j. murden @ insight bb.com> wrote in message
news:Rk%If.802753$xm3.755948@attbi_s21...
> Dude, anything can be done... question is if it's cost effective or not.
>
> The only thing you end up reusing is the coil, cabinet and fan.

It may or may not use the same coil, and the new 14SEER Rheems use ECM
motors for the fan.

> Sum of the parts are greater that the whole. Much greater in this case:
>
> Change the compressor to one rated for heat pump use,
> install suction accumulator,
> install reversing valve,
> install defrost control board and sensors,
> install piston or TXV in outdoor unit,
> install bi-flow filter drier,
> install true suction service port.....
>
> what else am I forgetting guys???
>
> BTW, forget product liability. Now you don't have a Rheem, you have a unit
> custom built by Billy Bob.

no warranty on the heat pump, or any of its parts
no efficiency rating
voided warranty on the air handler
no UL listing
no ARI certification
and *probably* void his home-owners insurance too

> Jeff Murden
>
>
> "Jim M." <jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:w_OIf.24897$Fw6.4515@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>
>

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2006-02-16, 11:21 am

On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:44:17 GMT, "Murdentech" <j. murden @ insight
bb.com> wrote:

>Dude, anything can be done... question is if it's cost effective or not.
>
>The only thing you end up reusing is the coil, cabinet and fan.
>
>Sum of the parts are greater that the whole. Much greater in this case:
>
>Change the compressor to one rated for heat pump use,
>install suction accumulator,
>install reversing valve,
>install defrost control board and sensors,
>install piston or TXV in outdoor unit,
>install bi-flow filter drier,
>install true suction service port.....
>
>what else am I forgetting guys???

What forum to post in ?

not to mention the ocassional check valve.
>
>BTW, forget product liability. Now you don't have a Rheem, you have a unit
>custom built by Billy Bob.
>
>
>Jeff Murden
>
>
>"Jim M." <jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:w_OIf.24897$Fw6.4515@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>

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2006-02-16, 11:21 pm

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:41:16 GMT, "Jim M."
<jmiller1706@nospam.cfl.rr.com> wrote:

>Finally, now we're talking - so it CAN be done. Where can I find a plumbing
>diagram and parts list for the outdoor units?

Accumulator, reversing valve, defrost controls, metering devices, bi
flow drier, control philosophy, wire, brain. Bla bla bla. Dude
forget it, they are jerking your chain.

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