Heating and air conditioning - Oil burner reset button

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Oil burner reset button

jhcorey@yahoo.com

2006-02-20, 5:21 pm

The heat keeps going off.

I've had the local oil company people come in many times, and they've
replaced the oil pump and filter and other parts. I've had several
different techies from the company come in, and I've watched and talked
with them as they worked, and they all seem professional.

But the heat keeps going off, and I have to keep restarting it.

After one visit there was a reccomendation to get a new tank. The
owner of the company says that sludge is collecting and this is the
problem.

But last week a technician came it to start the heat (since it had
locked up) and could not see anything wrong. He was there for quite
awhile trying to come up with ideas about my problems.

And then the heat stopped again the next day.

So my question is: If there was sludge in the tank (1) wouldn't it
show up in the filter; and (2) wouldn't it take a while to cause
problems again after servicing.

Right now the heat goes off about once a day, and we hit the button
(just once) to get it going again. Takes 5-10 seconds to fire up.

Since a new tank is going to be about $2000, I'm obviously looking for
any other possible solutions.

Jim

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2006-02-20, 5:21 pm

On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:32:30 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:

>On 20 Feb 2006 12:29:02 -0800, jhcorey@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
> Keep pushing the button.

Oh - and try a new digital thermostat.

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Shake-Hull

2006-02-20, 8:21 pm

Paul you are slipping up , being to nice.
<.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:32:30 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
> wrote:
>
>
> Oh - and try a new digital thermostat.
>
>
> --
>
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
>
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

Oscar_Lives

2006-02-20, 9:21 pm

<jhcorey@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1140467342.166582.234110@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> The heat keeps going off.
>
> I've had the local oil company people come in many times, and they've
> replaced the oil pump and filter and other parts. I've had several
> different techies from the company come in, and I've watched and talked
> with them as they worked, and they all seem professional.
>
> But the heat keeps going off, and I have to keep restarting it.
>
> After one visit there was a reccomendation to get a new tank. The
> owner of the company says that sludge is collecting and this is the
> problem.
>
> But last week a technician came it to start the heat (since it had
> locked up) and could not see anything wrong. He was there for quite
> awhile trying to come up with ideas about my problems.
>
> And then the heat stopped again the next day.
>
> So my question is: If there was sludge in the tank (1) wouldn't it
> show up in the filter; and (2) wouldn't it take a while to cause
> problems again after servicing.
>
> Right now the heat goes off about once a day, and we hit the button
> (just once) to get it going again. Takes 5-10 seconds to fire up.
>
> Since a new tank is going to be about $2000, I'm obviously looking for
> any other possible solutions.
>
> Jim
>

Sounds like a weak thermostat to me. Replace it with a digital one.

Bubba

2006-02-20, 11:21 pm

On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:28:54 GMT, "Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net>
wrote:

>
><jhcorey@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1140467342.166582.234110@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>Sounds like a weak thermostat to me. Replace it with a digital one.
>
Wow! How did I miss this one?
Man O Man. You need a couple things and all will be well.
First, get an @oil tan booster. This will stir up any sludge in the
tank and suspend it. It will all then rise to the top where you can
spoon it off with a ladel.
Next, install that digital programmable thermostat. Get the good one.
Dont spare the change on an inexpensive one. After all, its almost
always the thermostat.
Bubba

burner1941

2006-02-20, 11:21 pm

your right, if there were sludge in the tank it should show up in the
filter. If it takes 10 seconds to light, is it smooth? If it's rough
then you have delayed ignition. If it's smooth sounds like it not
getting oil. If you have a opening to look into firebox, and shine a
flashlight and see if you have a oil fog immediately, if you don't
there's several reasons. Leaking oil line getting air, and takes a
while to purge. How is the line ran to the furnace, is tank above or
below?

jhcorey@yahoo.com

2006-02-21, 1:21 am

Thanks to all who responded. I'll definitely look into the digital
thermostat.
I have 4 thermostats in the house. Three of them control zones that
feed hot water pipes and one of these is not working. It's the
upstairs, and it doesn't bother us not having the direct heat there. I
had taken apart a thermostat in the basement about a year ago when I
was doing some paneling, but I don't think I did anything to it and it
works.
The tank is in the basement, 15 ft from the burner, and the line is
cemented into the floor.

Here's notes that have been left on the furnace:
10/05 new pump (I think)
11/9/05 - DC going on safety
New 50200 + EyE Kit
EyE reading now 596
New N and adj Electrods
12/19/05
N,pump, eye 590 , Ignitor OK
1/26/06
D.C N.F.S Adj Electrodes + Air
Eye = 520
2/8/06
Check pump Took running pump ps
Check electrode ignitor.
Found nothing wrong. Fired unit off about 10 times.

Mo Hoaner

2006-02-21, 1:21 am

<jhcorey@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks to all who responded. I'll definitely look into the digital
> thermostat.
> I have 4 thermostats in the house. Three of them control zones that
> feed hot water pipes and one of these is not working. It's the
> upstairs, and it doesn't bother us not having the direct heat there. I
> had taken apart a thermostat in the basement about a year ago when I
> was doing some paneling, but I don't think I did anything to it and it
> works.
> The tank is in the basement, 15 ft from the burner, and the line is
> cemented into the floor.
>
> Here's notes that have been left on the furnace:
> 10/05 new pump (I think)
> 11/9/05 - DC going on safety
> New 50200 + EyE Kit
> EyE reading now 596
> New N and adj Electrods
> 12/19/05
> N,pump, eye 590 , Ignitor OK
> 1/26/06
> D.C N.F.S Adj Electrodes + Air

I know what that one means:
~Damn Customer Never Fucking Shutup~

> Eye = 520
> 2/8/06
> Check pump Took running pump ps
> Check electrode ignitor.
> Found nothing wrong. Fired unit off about 10 times.
>

Murdentech

2006-02-21, 9:21 am

Paul.... that advice is not even funny with Oil....

I know you are tongue and cheek about it, but you could kill someone with
advice like that....

hope your liability insurance is paid in full.

<.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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> On 20 Feb 2006 12:29:02 -0800, jhcorey@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
> Keep pushing the button.
>
>

Bubba

2006-02-21, 10:21 am

Jeff,
Just so you remember.......................This isnt a homeowner forum
or a, "just ask it here and we'll tell you for free" column. If you
ask in here you get exactly what you paid for it
..........................Nothing! Just like any other forum.
"push the button, push the button, push the button.......
Kaboooooommmmm"
Bubba

On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:13:20 GMT, "Murdentech" <j. murden @ insight
bb.com> wrote:
[color=darkred]
>Paul.... that advice is not even funny with Oil....
>
>I know you are tongue and cheek about it, but you could kill someone with
>advice like that....
>
>hope your liability insurance is paid in full.
>
>
><.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
>news:5p9kv1plan7jqkfi4fr3dcagsbc98ma7vs@4ax.com...

Murdentech

2006-02-21, 10:21 am

"Bubba >" <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com> wrote in message
news:1u4mv1541vj8o8ojsvqe9t44n34vbj7j2j@4ax.com...
> Jeff,
> Just so you remember.......................This isnt a homeowner forum
> or a, "just ask it here and we'll tell you for free" column. If you
> ask in here you get exactly what you paid for it
> .........................Nothing! Just like any other forum.
> "push the button, push the button, push the button.......
> Kaboooooommmmm"
> Bubba
>
>

I agree, but I still don't want some poor HO getting hurt by not realizing
the tongue and cheek humor in our replies. HO forum or not, we still have an
obligation, as professionals, to caution people against a SERIOUS danger.

The OP should call an OIL HEAT specialist and have his oil tested by the
supplier for water, etc.

He needs to request a technician with lots of experience on OIL HEAT...
usually one of the older guys in the field.

Oil Furnaces are a beast of their own nature and not something to be fooled
with by the inexperienced.

Working on oil is a XXXXX not matter how you cut it... once you are into the
fire side of an oil unit, you can't just take a few steps, you have to go
through practically the whole system from nozzle to tank.

The fact that his "service company" sent out several techs, then the owner
came out after the techs changed a bunch of parts indicates the service
company doesn't know dick about working on OIL HEAT and he needs to call
another company.

That is the direction we have to send the HO's when they come here asking
questions.... it's our broken record in here.... "call another tech who
knows his shit".

Damn "water in the oil" is so common and easy to get in the tank... fill
tube below snow load, filling in the rain, cap left off, vent clogged up or
not high enough... siphon tube too low in the tank..... etc. etc. etc.

HO keeps "pushing the damn button".... then the next tech looses his
hair.... or worse.

..... been there, done that.

Jeff Murden

zero

2006-02-21, 12:21 pm

On 20 Feb 2006 20:34:25 -0800, jhcorey@yahoo.com wrote:

>, and the line is cemented into the floor.

-zero

saus101@prime.gushi.org

2006-02-21, 2:21 pm

jhcorey@yahoo.com wrote:
> The heat keeps going off.

saus101@prime.gushi.org

2006-02-21, 2:21 pm

saus...@prime.gushi.org wrote:[color=darkred]
> jhcorey@yahoo.com wrote:

sorry, newbie here

I had the same problem with a AFG Beckett Burner, and no money to call
a service guy. I removed the burner, took it apart, clean it and spec
everything. Still the same problem. Then I noticed some old nozzles in
the shed. so i bought a new 50/80deg. nozzle from home depot($5).
not one problem since.

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2006-02-21, 3:21 pm

On 21 Feb 2006 09:55:16 -0800, saus101@prime.gushi.org wrote:

>
>saus...@prime.gushi.org wrote:
>
>sorry, newbie here
>
>I had the same problem with a AFG Beckett Burner, and no money to call
>a service guy. I removed the burner, took it apart, clean it and spec
>everything. Still the same problem. Then I noticed some old nozzles in
>the shed. so i bought a new 50/80deg. nozzle from home depot($5).
>not one problem since.

Thank you so much for sharing your little story.

Now fucking shut up and go away.

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CAVHBC

2006-02-21, 3:21 pm

<.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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> On 21 Feb 2006 09:55:16 -0800, saus101@prime.gushi.org wrote:
>
>
> Thank you so much for sharing your little story.
>

No...no...hold on..lets translate this for him...

In other words, he was too cheap to protect him and his family.
He then took it upon himself to MAYBE learn something by taking the unit
apart, and changing every damn setting on it.
Then, (BTW..Home Depot cant sell oil related parts here) he goes to HOME
FUCKING DEPOT cause he could put it on his credit card with the new drapes
his wife wanted, and got a new nozzle...(still curious as to what HD sells
those) and it fired when he put it all back togehter..

hes got NO clue if the things making too much CO
Hes got NO idea if the burn is right
Hes got NO idea about anything, other than hes got heat...

I got an idea that someone like him will be the next Darwin Award winner.

> Now fucking shut up and go away.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
>
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2006-02-21, 4:21 pm

On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:12:05 -0500, "CAVHBC" <biteme@fuckoff.com>
wrote:

>
><.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
>news:73nmv15rtnpghvbgs2s6uh93u008on2erd@4ax.com...
>
>
>No...no...hold on..lets translate this for him...
>
>In other words, he was too cheap to protect him and his family.
>He then took it upon himself to MAYBE learn something by taking the unit
>apart, and changing every damn setting on it.

Always a good idea with an oil fired furnace. Fucking guess
at it. If you see fire in there most times, you must be doing pretty
good.

No need for any bullshit like setting the gap, the advance,
the mix, the pattern .... as long as you see fire you're good to go.
Don't worry about over-fire, side-fire pattern, underfire, carbon on
the points, after-burn, post nozzle drip, supply pressure, chamber
burn-through, refractory configuration, any of that shit - just 'look
for something burning in there'.

Reminds me of one I saw once - over-firing so bad, it had
eaten through the refractory, the back HX wall, and the outer rear
cabinet up against the building 2 x 4 frame. I mean you could put
your fucking fist through the hole from the burner port and touch
framing 2 x 4's and exterior sheathing on the other side, no shit.

Fucking MIRACLE it never took the building down. And this was
a Pizza Hut, with customers in it. 6 month old unit, by a contractor
who left town in the middle of the night one day ( which is how I got
the account - and all his others, too, all just as bad ). And the
owner was pissed when I red-tagged it. Gonna cut down on his pizza
sales that afternoon.

Or another - a NEW Weil-McClain ( new that day ! ), installed
by MY BOSS !!!!! For an employee of the company ( one of the
installers ).

Guy calls me up early evening - furnace shut off, can't reach
the boss ( our boss ) who installed it that afternoon.

I went over - unit was sooted solid from underneath the
burner, bottom of chamber, packed solid soot through the chamber, and
~ 12 " up the flue. Waffle-style exchanger packed, I mean you
couldn't even see the cast iron from the flue hole. Several hours
with the burner brushes later, with me filling plastic bags bags with
soot and the co-worker who owned the place running them outside, I
finally got to where I could even THINK about firing it up, finally
had draft, clean HX and flue, etc.

Fired it for 3 seconds - MASSIVE over-fire. Insane over-fire.
Nothing but a huge soft fire-ball of yellow flame and visible carbon
in there.

Pulled the manual, checked the specs ( .75 - 1.5 nozzle
options ). Eyeballed the small condo. Eyeballed the wifey in her
short black leather mini. Read the specs some more. Eyeballed the
wifey some more.

Pulled a .75 off the truck, put it in ( my eyeball said it was
plenty and more, than they needed ) intead of the 1.5 that my boss had
put in. Checked out the wifey some more. She definitely supplied any
extra heat required, so a .75 would be plenty, I figured.

Fired it up ( had not TOUCHED mix damper yet ).

Perfect. I mean FUCKING perfect. Never loosened the nut on
the mix damper. Worked perfectly for at least 3 years that I know of,
until I moved away and didn't know the guy any more.

Think about it. I cut the fuel in HALF, and never needed to
TOUCH the air.

Yeh. Just run to HD and pick up a nozzle, that'll work. Uh
huh. For Joe Home-Moaner. Right.

>Then, (BTW..Home Depot cant sell oil related parts here) he goes to HOME
>FUCKING DEPOT cause he could put it on his credit card with the new drapes
>his wife wanted, and got a new nozzle...(still curious as to what HD sells
>those) and it fired when he put it all back togehter..
>
>hes got NO clue if the things making too much CO
>Hes got NO idea if the burn is right
>Hes got NO idea about anything, other than hes got heat...

Luckily he doesn't have the tools to meaure all that anyway.

>
>
>I got an idea that someone like him will be the next Darwin Award winner.
>
>
>

--

Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!

http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/

Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

Oscar_Lives

2006-02-21, 5:21 pm

<.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
news:supmv1dgqhuq5b1seu4e5cie0u63e7kkbe@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:12:05 -0500, "CAVHBC" <biteme@fuckoff.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Always a good idea with an oil fired furnace. Fucking guess
> at it. If you see fire in there most times, you must be doing pretty
> good.
>
> No need for any bullshit like setting the gap, the advance,
> the mix, the pattern .... as long as you see fire you're good to go.
> Don't worry about over-fire, side-fire pattern, underfire, carbon on
> the points, after-burn, post nozzle drip, supply pressure, chamber
> burn-through, refractory configuration, any of that shit - just 'look
> for something burning in there'.
>
> Reminds me of one I saw once - over-firing so bad, it had
> eaten through the refractory, the back HX wall, and the outer rear
> cabinet up against the building 2 x 4 frame. I mean you could put
> your fucking fist through the hole from the burner port and touch
> framing 2 x 4's and exterior sheathing on the other side, no shit.
>
> Fucking MIRACLE it never took the building down. And this was
> a Pizza Hut, with customers in it. 6 month old unit, by a contractor
> who left town in the middle of the night one day ( which is how I got
> the account - and all his others, too, all just as bad ). And the
> owner was pissed when I red-tagged it. Gonna cut down on his pizza
> sales that afternoon.
>
> Or another - a NEW Weil-McClain ( new that day ! ), installed
> by MY BOSS !!!!! For an employee of the company ( one of the
> installers ).
>
> Guy calls me up early evening - furnace shut off, can't reach
> the boss ( our boss ) who installed it that afternoon.
>
> I went over - unit was sooted solid from underneath the
> burner, bottom of chamber, packed solid soot through the chamber, and
> ~ 12 " up the flue. Waffle-style exchanger packed, I mean you
> couldn't even see the cast iron from the flue hole. Several hours
> with the burner brushes later, with me filling plastic bags bags with
> soot and the co-worker who owned the place running them outside, I
> finally got to where I could even THINK about firing it up, finally
> had draft, clean HX and flue, etc.
>
> Fired it for 3 seconds - MASSIVE over-fire. Insane over-fire.
> Nothing but a huge soft fire-ball of yellow flame and visible carbon
> in there.
>
> Pulled the manual, checked the specs ( .75 - 1.5 nozzle
> options ). Eyeballed the small condo. Eyeballed the wifey in her
> short black leather mini. Read the specs some more. Eyeballed the
> wifey some more.
>
> Pulled a .75 off the truck, put it in ( my eyeball said it was
> plenty and more, than they needed ) intead of the 1.5 that my boss had
> put in. Checked out the wifey some more. She definitely supplied any
> extra heat required, so a .75 would be plenty, I figured.
>
> Fired it up ( had not TOUCHED mix damper yet ).
>
> Perfect. I mean FUCKING perfect. Never loosened the nut on
> the mix damper. Worked perfectly for at least 3 years that I know of,
> until I moved away and didn't know the guy any more.

So what about the wifey? How is she doing?

Got any pics?

>
> Think about it. I cut the fuel in HALF, and never needed to
> TOUCH the air.
>
> Yeh. Just run to HD and pick up a nozzle, that'll work. Uh
> huh. For Joe Home-Moaner. Right.
>
>
> Luckily he doesn't have the tools to meaure all that anyway.
>
>
> --
>
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
>
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2006-02-21, 5:21 pm

On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:44:20 GMT, "Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net>
wrote:

>
><.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
>news:supmv1dgqhuq5b1seu4e5cie0u63e7kkbe@4ax.com...
>

>So what about the wifey? How is she doing?

He used to tell me that she did pretty good. Dmaned good, in
fact.

>Got any pics?

Only in my ( warped little ) mind :-)

--

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http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/

Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

Bill

2006-02-21, 6:21 pm

In article <JrsKf.959$XZ3.98667@news20.bellglobal.com>,
"Shake-Hull" <shake@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Paul you are slipping up , being to nice.

weasel's been gone :-)

--
Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name.

*Hack* *Hack* *hack*

ftwhd

2006-02-21, 7:21 pm

ftwhd

2006-02-21, 7:21 pm

On 20 Feb 2006 20:34:25 -0800, jhcorey@yahoo.com wrote:

>Thanks to all who responded. I'll definitely look into the digital
>thermostat.

Dont pay any attention to these assholes. They will feed you false
information just so you can fuck up and they can laugh about it later.

Try heating help . com. There are places on the web that offer advise
but this is not one of them.

This dump is chock full of bitter HVAC techs, wannabes, and usetobes
whos only joy in life is fucking someone elses up.

CAVHBC

2006-02-21, 8:21 pm

"ftwhd" <ftwhd@home.com> wrote in message
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> On 20 Feb 2006 20:34:25 -0800, jhcorey@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
> Dont pay any attention to these assholes. They will feed you false
> information just so you can fuck up and they can laugh about it later.
>
> Try heating help . com. There are places on the web that offer advise
> but this is not one of them.
>
> This dump is chock full of bitter HVAC techs, wannabes, and usetobes
> whos only joy in life is fucking someone elses up.

And a couple of union cumdumpsters....ones named Mike, AKA ftwhd
>

Bubba

2006-02-21, 8:21 pm

On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:48:26 GMT, "Murdentech" <j. murden @ insight
bb.com> wrote:

>
>"Bubba >" <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com> wrote in message
>news:1u4mv1541vj8o8ojsvqe9t44n34vbj7j2j@4ax.com...
>
>I agree, but I still don't want some poor HO getting hurt by not realizing
>the tongue and cheek humor in our replies. HO forum or not, we still have an
>obligation, as professionals, to caution people against a SERIOUS danger.
>
>The OP should call an OIL HEAT specialist and have his oil tested by the
>supplier for water, etc.
>
>He needs to request a technician with lots of experience on OIL HEAT...
>usually one of the older guys in the field.
>
>Oil Furnaces are a beast of their own nature and not something to be fooled
>with by the inexperienced.
>
>Working on oil is a XXXXX not matter how you cut it... once you are into the
>fire side of an oil unit, you can't just take a few steps, you have to go
>through practically the whole system from nozzle to tank.
>
>The fact that his "service company" sent out several techs, then the owner
>came out after the techs changed a bunch of parts indicates the service
>company doesn't know dick about working on OIL HEAT and he needs to call
>another company.
>
>That is the direction we have to send the HO's when they come here asking
>questions.... it's our broken record in here.... "call another tech who
>knows his shit".
>
>Damn "water in the oil" is so common and easy to get in the tank... fill
>tube below snow load, filling in the rain, cap left off, vent clogged up or
>not high enough... siphon tube too low in the tank..... etc. etc. etc.
>
>
>HO keeps "pushing the damn button".... then the next tech looses his
>hair.... or worse.
>
>
>.... been there, done that.
>
>
>Jeff Murden
>
>
I totally understand. Im not argueing. Just tired of seeing the same
ol thing in here. Homeowner pops in, asks a really dumb question
........or whatever. You tell them that this isnt a homeowner forum and
to try alt.home.repair. Next thing you know, they are spouting off
because we are uncaring and didnt give them the free answer they
thought they came here for. ...............and on and on. Next thing
you know, its an all out war. Sooooooooooooooo, its just easier to
tell them to "Go Away" or "Fuckin Go Away". It tends to "cut to the
chase".
AND...............speaking of oil......................
Burnham oil fired boiler. 450,000 btu. I diagnosed it the early part
of winter. Busted section, water on floor, big mess, etc. I told em to
either get the sections fixed or put a new boiler in. Followed up and
no decision made . I get a call today.
Bubba, can you come look at this same boiler. I turned it on this
winter and its been running ok???. Today when she turned it on (they
like to turn it on and off a lot from the power switch) she said it
shot fire back out the burner. Smoke rolled out, black stuff went
flying and she turned it off and called me. Its in a wharehouse.
Well guess what. I got there, took the inspection plates off and
looked at the diverter. They have cram packed this large oil boiler
from bottom to top with soot. Huge amounts of calcium deposits
dripping down the sides of the boiler from the section
leaks..........just like before.
I told her, my original bid of converting to a high efficiency natural
gas boiler (96%) of $25,000 still stands. HOWEVER, they now have to
get rid of this ridiculous 450,000 btu pile of soot. I aint touchin
it.
Bubba

gofish@gonefishin.net

2006-02-21, 10:21 pm

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:

>
> Thank you so much for sharing your little story.
>
> Now fucking shut up and go away.

Thank you for sharing your continuing line of horseshit.

Now shut the fuck up and go away. Preferably die.

Cooltemp Industries

2006-02-21, 11:21 pm

> .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>
>
>

[color=darkred]
>gofish@gonefishin.net wrote:

> Thank you for sharing your continuing line of horseshit.
>
> Now shut the fuck up and go away. Preferably die.

It's nice to see you two are talking again...LOL

Tekkie®

2006-02-21, 11:21 pm

Mo Hoaner posted for all of us...
I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.

>
WOW he really cum calling! What was your wife doing?
--
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I said I don't know and I don't care...

Tekkie

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2006-02-21, 11:21 pm

On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:54:26 -0500, Tekkie® <Tekkie@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Mo Hoaner posted for all of us...
> I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.
>
>WOW he really cum calling! What was your wife doing?

Working the cattle prod.

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PrecisionMechanical

2006-02-22, 1:21 am

<.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
news:5p9kv1plan7jqkfi4fr3dcagsbc98ma7vs@4ax.com...

>
> Keep pushing the button.
>

Been assigned to that missile silo for very long ???

--

SVL

PrecisionMechanical

2006-02-22, 1:21 am

"ftwhd" <ftwhd@home.com> wrote in message
news:ko3nv1dkrc6s8knhbv8l0c9a8cppmk1hdc@4ax.com...
> Jeff, youve been away for a while. This is not the same caring group
> of professionals it once was. It is a troll haven for frustrated HVAC
> techs.
>
> Hell, you dont even have to be a tech to be accepted and post here.
> All you have to do is hate anyone who isnt a Republicon, flame every
> new guy that has the misfourtune to stumble in, and blow Paul.
>

Suggest first get a sense for humor....

Later, maybe consider working in "irony" as potential source material for
the former.

--

SVL

Bill

2006-02-22, 6:21 am

In article <ko3nv1dkrc6s8knhbv8l0c9a8cppmk1hdc@4ax.com>,
ftwhd <ftwhd@home.com> wrote:
> Jeff, youve been away for a while. This is not the same caring group
> of professionals it once was. It is a troll haven for frustrated HVAC
> techs.
>
> Hell, you dont even have to be a tech to be accepted and post here.
> All you have to do is hate anyone who isnt a Republicon, flame every
> new guy that has the misfourtune to stumble in, and blow Paul.

I think he was here when you flipped out and flooded the place last time
mikey. Everyone knows how you like to throw a tantrum when you get
called on posting your liberal bullshit.

Nobody hates liberals. We just pity the stupid SOB's. What you do to
your steward and Paul is your thing.

--
Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name.

*Hack* *Hack* *hack*

Bill

2006-02-22, 6:21 am

In article <DPGdna6NwqLAbGbenZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@scnresearch.com>,
"PrecisionMechanical" <precisionmachinist@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "ftwhd" <ftwhd@home.com> wrote in message

> Suggest first get a sense for humor....
>
> Later, maybe consider working in "irony" as potential source material for
> the former.

mikey's always been a humorless bastard. That's why he misses so much
that gets said.

--
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*Hack* *Hack* *hack*

saus101@prime.gushi.org

2006-02-23, 12:21 pm

..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> On 21 Feb 2006 09:55:16 -0800, saus101@prime.gushi.org wrote:
>
>
> Thank you so much for sharing your little story.
>
> Now fucking shut up and go away.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
>
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

FUCK YOU!!!

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2006-02-23, 12:21 pm

On 23 Feb 2006 07:37:58 -0800, saus101@prime.gushi.org wrote:

>
>.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>
>
>FUCK YOU!!!

Oh, geez, now I'm hurt.

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CAVHBC

2006-02-23, 12:21 pm

<saus101@prime.gushi.org> wrote in message
news:1140709078.608292.216320@t39g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
>
> .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>
>
> FUCK YOU!!!
>

Another sexually frustrated poster that needs to go find a woman or
something......

saus101@prime.gushi.org

2006-02-23, 12:21 pm

CAVHBC wrote:[color=darkred]
> <.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
> news:73nmv15rtnpghvbgs2s6uh93u008on2erd@4ax.com...
>
>
> No...no...hold on..lets translate this for him...
>
> In other words, he was too cheap to protect him and his family.
> He then took it upon himself to MAYBE learn something by taking the unit
> apart, and changing every damn setting on it.
> Then, (BTW..Home Depot cant sell oil related parts here) he goes to HOME
> FUCKING DEPOT cause he could put it on his credit card with the new drapes
> his wife wanted, and got a new nozzle...(still curious as to what HD sells
> those) and it fired when he put it all back togehter..
>
> hes got NO clue if the things making too much CO
> Hes got NO idea if the burn is right
> Hes got NO idea about anything, other than hes got heat...
>
>
> I got an idea that someone like him will be the next Darwin Award winner.
>
>

go to hell. who said anything about a family first off....
and don't tell me were i got the parts from. who the fuck do u think u
are tell me what i do. fuck'in rednecks. go joint a clan.
"no idea if burn is right"... wrong aging dumb XXX. find it on the the
web if you know how.
"Darwin Award winner".... lol, that's good

All you people want is to make money. charging people thousands for 30
minutes of work.

saus101@prime.gushi.org

2006-02-23, 12:21 pm

gofish@gonefishin.net wrote:
> .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Thank you for sharing your continuing line of horseshit.
>
> Now shut the fuck up and go away. Preferably die.

thank you. i'm looking to help people like an American should.

CAVHBC

2006-02-23, 12:21 pm

<saus101@prime.gushi.org> wrote in message
news:1140710212.197095.226970@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> CAVHBC wrote:
>
> go to hell. who said anything about a family first off....

Thats obvious...who would claim you?

> and don't tell me were i got the parts from.

Hey dumbfuck....YOU said you got em from Home Depot...all I was asking was
WHAT Home Depot since in some areas selling oil parts to non licenced
persons would be illegal...

>who the fuck do u think u
> are tell me what i do.

Obviously someone a tad bit smarter than you.

> fuck'in rednecks. go joint a clan.

Did you mean, go JOIN a clan?
As a Scottsman, I already got one laddy.

Now...if you wish to call someone a redneck, call the right people
such...moron. See, Moron fits you...you are dumb as a fucking rock and
think you know it all.

> "no idea if burn is right"... wrong aging dumb XXX. find it on the the
> web if you know how.

Find out how to properly set an oil burner on the web?
Thats easy, but have you got the $1500 for the proper tools to get started?
No...see, I can sit here and tell you HOW to do it, but the question is,
OTHER than have you got the smarts to understand it all, do you have the
proper equipment to do it right?
The answer is obviously, NO.
What did your smoke test show?
Yea..thats what I thought.

> "Darwin Award winner".... lol, that's good
>
> All you people want is to make money. charging people thousands for 30
> minutes of work.

No...obviously you are one of the idiots. 30 minutes worth of work by us is
worth more than a days worth from you..but hey...some of us know how to make
money...
And that statement..all we wanna do is make money? LOL...Go to work today
and tell the boss you are gonna do it for free.
Better yet...send your welfare check back.

>

CAVHBC

2006-02-23, 12:21 pm

<saus101@prime.gushi.org> wrote in message
news:1140710565.121900.211350@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> gofish@gonefishin.net wrote:
>
> thank you. i'm looking to help people like an American should.

Then you need to shut the fuck up before you get someone hurt.

>

saus101@prime.gushi.org

2006-02-23, 12:21 pm

CAVHBC wrote:
> <saus101@prime.gushi.org> wrote in message
> Another sexually frustrated poster that needs to go find a woman or
> something......

lol, u guys are great...do u need a hoe? i got 3.

CAVHBC

2006-02-23, 12:21 pm

<saus101@prime.gushi.org> wrote in message
news:1140710772.523188.217280@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> CAVHBC wrote:
>
>
> lol, u guys are great...do u need a hoe? i got 3.

Your mommy and two sisters?

>

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2006-02-23, 12:21 pm

On 23 Feb 2006 08:06:12 -0800, saus101@prime.gushi.org wrote:

>
>CAVHBC wrote:
>
>
>lol, u guys are great...do u need a hoe? i got 3.

Let's not bring your mother and your sister and your wife into
this.

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saus101@prime.gushi.org

2006-02-23, 12:21 pm

CAVHBC wrote:[color=darkred]
> <saus101@prime.gushi.org> wrote in message
> news:1140710565.121900.211350@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Then you need to shut the fuck up before you get someone hurt.
>

someone hurt?

saus101@prime.gushi.org

2006-02-23, 12:21 pm

CAVHBC wrote:[color=darkred]
> <saus101@prime.gushi.org> wrote in message
> news:1140710772.523188.217280@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> Your mommy and two sisters?
>

u know it....

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2006-02-23, 1:21 pm

On 23 Feb 2006 08:02:45 -0800, saus101@prime.gushi.org wrote:

>
>gofish@gonefishin.net wrote:
>
>thank you. i'm looking to help people like an American should.

You're a fucking joke, and a fucking XXXXXXX, looking for free
advice FOR YOURSELF.

SO fucking go away, moron.

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Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com

2006-02-23, 1:21 pm

On 23 Feb 2006 07:56:52 -0800, saus101@prime.gushi.org wrote:

>
>CAVHBC wrote:
>
>go to hell. who said anything about a family first off....
>and don't tell me were i got the parts from. who the fuck do u think u
>are tell me what i do. fuck'in rednecks. go joint a clan.
>"no idea if burn is right"... wrong aging dumb XXX. find it on the the
>web if you know how.
>"Darwin Award winner".... lol, that's good
>
>All you people want is to make money. charging people thousands for 30
>minutes of work.

Congratulations ! You just won the 'Pissy Home-moaner of the
Month' award, and you're favored in the Yearly Finals, too !!!!!

Dickwad.

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'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
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Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

Thund3rstruck_n0i

2006-02-23, 9:21 pm

saus101@prime.gushi.org spilled my beer when they jumped on the table and
proclaimed in <1140710772.523188.217280@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>

> lol, u guys are great...do u need a hoe? i got 3.

Let me guess. They're all rusty and in the shed out back, right?

NOI

Thund3rstruck_n0i

2006-02-23, 9:21 pm

saus101@prime.gushi.org spilled my beer when they jumped on the table and
proclaimed in <1140711078.721450.242600@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
> CAVHBC wrote:
> u know it....

Are they still peddling XXX on Main for $5 rocks?

NOI

Thund3rstruck_n0i

2006-02-23, 9:21 pm

..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com spilled my beer when they jumped on the
table and proclaimed in <idmrv1hkr0lar5vrqv7bmtha1rvqn0ek98@4ax.com>
> On 23 Feb 2006 07:37:58 -0800, saus101@prime.gushi.org wrote:
> Oh, geez, now I'm hurt.

He tried to come after you with his needle dick?

NOI

Noon-Air

2006-02-23, 9:21 pm

"Thund3rstruck_n0i" <Thund3rstruck_n0i@hotmail.comREMOVE> wrote in message
news:ef73$43fe5a64$48317b6a$12816@FUSE.NET...
> saus101@prime.gushi.org spilled my beer when they jumped on the table and
> proclaimed in <1140711078.721450.242600@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
>
>
> Are they still peddling XXX on Main for $5 rocks?
>
> NOI

He got to get them to come out from under the porch first

Murdentech

2006-02-24, 9:21 am

<saus101@prime.gushi.org> wrote in message
news:1140710212.197095.226970@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> All you people want is to make money. charging people thousands for 30
> minutes of work.
>

I wish it were that easy... LOL. Don't we all want as much money as we can
possibly earn?

I love the customer who complains about being charged standard service rates
for a 15 minute service call.

Customer says, "But all you did was press a button".

It's not the button pressing you are paying for.... it's knowing which
button to press.

I don't need to go into all the expenses involved in being licensed,
insured, tooled up and qualified to press the f..cking button.

BTW, most of my oldest customers happily give me full service rate for
simple calls. Some even put a little extra on the check, offer a glass of
wine or dinner. Hell, I usually spend more time visiting with them after the
service is finished than I did working on whatever the problem was that
brought me there.

..... and that's the rewarding part of my profession.... being appreciated
for one's expertise and effort.... the rest just goes to pay bills.

Jeff

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