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When is a Cold Air Return required
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| jdhancock@parker.com 2006-02-22, 4:21 pm |
| This is probably a stupid question.
I live on lake erie in ohio.
Does every room require a cold air return? I have a 2 story colonial
and am looking to remove a cold air return in one bedroom. The other 2
bedrooms both have cold air returns.
Thanks in advance.
Clem
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-02-22, 4:21 pm |
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alt.home.repair, not here.
On 22 Feb 2006 11:17:04 -0800, jdhancock@parker.com wrote:
>This is probably a stupid question.
>I live on lake erie in ohio.
>Does every room require a cold air return? I have a 2 story colonial
>and am looking to remove a cold air return in one bedroom. The other 2
>bedrooms both have cold air returns.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>Clem
--
Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
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| jdhancock@parker.com 2006-02-22, 4:21 pm |
| And your junk about animal rescue belongs here?
Try not to criticize others when you are more guilty than they are!
Hypocrit!
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-02-22, 4:21 pm |
| On 22 Feb 2006 11:27:44 -0800, jdhancock@parker.com wrote:
>And your junk about animal rescue belongs here?
>Try not to criticize others when you are more guilty than they are!
>Hypocrit!
Shut the fuck up, XXXXXXX. No one asked you, new-meat.
--
Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
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| Noon-Air 2006-02-22, 4:21 pm |
| Just put him in your killfile.
Now about the cold air return....
Provided that the system was properly designed, and correctly installed, I
would advise against making any changes to the ductwork without doing a
Manual D duct design calculation to see how badly removing that return is
going to screw up the balance of the rest of the system.
Remember that closing off and/or removing any vents or returns in your home
is like trying to partition off part of your refrigerator or oven that your
not using.... it doesn't make a lot of sense. The system is designed to
maintain your comfort level in the whole house....not just part of it.
<jdhancock@parker.com> wrote in message
news:1140636464.291551.232330@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> And your junk about animal rescue belongs here?
> Try not to criticize others when you are more guilty than they are!
> Hypocrit!
>
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| jdhancock@parker.com 2006-02-22, 4:21 pm |
| Nice talk. You need to find something else to do! Don't contaminate
the internet!
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| jdhancock@parker.com 2006-02-22, 4:21 pm |
| Thanks for the assist on this. This is helpful. I will have an HVAC
person come to determine the impact.
Thanks again,
Clem
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| On 22 Feb 2006 11:17:04 -0800, jdhancock@parker.com wrote:
>This is probably a stupid question.
>I live on lake erie in ohio.
>Does every room require a cold air return? I have a 2 story colonial
>and am looking to remove a cold air return in one bedroom. The other 2
>bedrooms both have cold air returns.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>Clem
Okay. Everyone. PAY CLOSE ATTENTION! (especially you, clem)
Clem, you eat most everyday right?
You also most likely use the restroom everyday too, correct?
For the next two weeks you are going to eat 3 well balanced and
portioned meals a day.
Now here is the "Twist".
Just as you wanted to remove a cold air return in the
bedroom,..............I want to superglue your anus shut.
Do you think your system will suffer?
What do you think that poor heating system is going to do?
Bubba
(someone please pick my poor (ROTFLMAO) carcass up. Im in tears) :-)
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-02-22, 4:21 pm |
| On 22 Feb 2006 11:48:23 -0800, jdhancock@parker.com wrote:
>Thanks for the assist on this. This is helpful. I will have an HVAC
>person come to determine the impact.
>Thanks again,
>Clem
What a fucking brainstorm.
XXXXXXX.
--
Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
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| Raines 2006-02-23, 12:21 am |
| <jdhancock@parker.com> wrote in message
news:1140635824.537975.308720@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> This is probably a stupid question.
> I live on lake erie in ohio.
> Does every room require a cold air return?
It does if you do not want positive or negative pressure in the house.
But other than that, for example, if you have a 2nd floor without a return
air, then you'll have problems getting the upstairs cool and dehumidified
without them.
I have a 2 story colonial
> and am looking to remove a cold air return in one bedroom. The other 2
> bedrooms both have cold air returns.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Clem
>
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| Raines 2006-02-23, 12:21 am |
| <.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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>
> alt.home.repair, not here.
He can post here if he likes.
>
>
>
> On 22 Feb 2006 11:17:04 -0800, jdhancock@parker.com wrote:
>
>
> --
>
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
>
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
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| Raines 2006-02-23, 12:21 am |
| <.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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> On 22 Feb 2006 11:27:44 -0800, jdhancock@parker.com wrote:
>
>
> Shut the fuck up, XXXXXXX. No one asked you, new-meat.
You did when you replied to him moron.
>
>
> --
>
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
>
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
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| Raines 2006-02-23, 12:21 am |
| <jdhancock@parker.com> wrote in message
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> Nice talk. You need to find something else to do! Don't contaminate
> the internet!
Don't mind him..he doesn't know his XXX from a hole in the ground when it
comes to hvac anyway.
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| Raines 2006-02-23, 12:21 am |
| "Bubba >" <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com> wrote in message
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> On 22 Feb 2006 11:17:04 -0800, jdhancock@parker.com wrote:
>
>
> Okay. Everyone. PAY CLOSE ATTENTION! (especially you, clem)
> Clem, you eat most everyday right?
> You also most likely use the restroom everyday too, correct?
> For the next two weeks you are going to eat 3 well balanced and
> portioned meals a day.
> Now here is the "Twist".
> Just as you wanted to remove a cold air return in the
> bedroom,..............I want to superglue your anus shut.
> Do you think your system will suffer?
> What do you think that poor heating system is going to do?
> Bubba
>
> (someone please pick my poor (ROTFLMAO) carcass up. Im in tears) :-)
Oh dear..it wasn't funny in the first place. Now use some lotion on those
sore hands from patting yourself on the back.
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| In article <43fd2a21$0$25089$38cecc19@news.illicom.net>,
"Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote:
> <.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
> news:h8epv1hlmp0mtfc8ntu2ngqhou37nh8dst@4ax.com...
>
> He can post here if he likes.
He can post in alt.binaries.warcraft but that wouldn't be where he
needed to be either.
It does make you a stupid XXXXXXX to advocate otherwise.
You're just a troll Raines and not bright enough to carry Paul's tools.
Any idea when you're gonna get a life and go where you are wanted and
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnt scratch that. Now I know why you're here. LOL
--
Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name.
*Hack* *Hack* *hack*
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| In article <1140636464.291551.232330@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
jdhancock@parker.com wrote:
> And your junk about animal rescue belongs here?
> Try not to criticize others when you are more guilty than they are!
> Hypocrit!
What part of "you're in the wrong newsgroup" didn't you get?
--
Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name.
*Hack* *Hack* *hack*
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| In article <43fd2a73$0$25077$38cecc19@news.illicom.net>,
"Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote:
> <jdhancock@parker.com> wrote in message
> news:1140637595.810274.36420@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Don't mind him..he doesn't know his XXX from a hole in the ground when it
> comes to hvac anyway.
Everybody knows that statement is bullshit Raines. You think your
childish tactics here are gonna work?
You should spend more time concentrating on walking around. Dumbasses
like you are the ones who get run over by buses.
Any last words?
--
Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name.
*Hack* *Hack* *hack*
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| Bubba 2006-02-23, 10:21 am |
| On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:21:25 -0600, "Raines" <nunya@business.com>
wrote:
><.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
>news:h8epv1hlmp0mtfc8ntu2ngqhou37nh8dst@4ax.com...
>
>He can post here if he likes.
>
Lose your job again, Rainy?
Bubba
>
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| Bubba 2006-02-23, 10:21 am |
| On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:22:46 -0600, "Raines" <nunya@business.com>
wrote:
><jdhancock@parker.com> wrote in message
>news:1140637595.810274.36420@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>Don't mind him..he doesn't know his XXX from a hole in the ground when it
>comes to hvac anyway.
>
Ate your wheaties this morning, eh Rainy? Feeling like going a few
rounds again, I see.
Bubba
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| Bubba 2006-02-23, 10:21 am |
| On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:24:42 -0600, "Raines" <nunya@business.com>
wrote:
>"Bubba >" <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com> wrote in message
>news:qrfpv1h5jnvcdf2ok3m85aum21b65hm3nc@4ax.com...
>
>Oh dear..it wasn't funny in the first place. Now use some lotion on those
>sore hands from patting yourself on the back.
>
Ahhhhh. There's my pet poodle. I was waiting. Missed you a whole big
bunch. You get tired of playing with children, did you?
Bubba
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| CAVHBC 2006-02-23, 12:21 pm |
|
<jdhancock@parker.com> wrote in message
news:1140637595.810274.36420@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Nice talk. You need to find something else to do! Don't contaminate
> the internet!
>
Too late....people like you showed up and are showing faster than we can
tell em to fuck off..
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| ~^Johnny^~ 2006-02-23, 7:21 pm |
| On 22 Feb 2006 11:27:44 -0800, jdhancock@parker.com wrote:
>And your junk about animal rescue belongs here?
>Try not to criticize others when you are more guilty than they are!
>Hypocrit!
It's in his sig. Ads, quotes, and links in sigs are kosher.
Also, off-topic posts are welcome here, if they're not from
spammers. Newbies here, who are home owners, WILL get attacked.
Is it right? Probably not. Is it rude? Probably. So what?
It's usenet. It's a venting ground, and what a better group is there
in which to vent and blow hot air, than alt.hvac ? So cool it.
<g,d,r>
But a little sarcasm goes a long way, and you must look inside the
man, not at the facade which is his usenet posting style.
"Regulars" in any newsgroup tend to get to know one another.
You'll learn to love some, and hate others, notwithstanding
all of the displayed intolerance, belligerence, and vitriol -
none of which indicate ignorance, BTW.
80 to 90% of it is in fun, anyhow, one way or another.
Most of the "Regs" are here as a pastime, and to occasionally help
someone (or flame someone). Hell, some of us are retired, and have
nothing better to do than to bullshit. :-)
BTW: You misspelled "hypocrite".
--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info
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| ~^Johnny^~ 2006-02-23, 7:21 pm |
| On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:51:36 GMT, Bill <bill@hvac2.com> wrote:
> Dumbasses
>like you are the ones who get run over by buses.
>Any last words?
"Did you get the license number of that bus?" ;`>
--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info
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| Raines 2006-02-24, 12:21 am |
| "Bill" <bill@hvac2.com> wrote in message
news:sdiLf.94940$tK4.82970@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> In article <43fd2a73$0$25077$38cecc19@news.illicom.net>,
> "Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote:
>
>
> Everybody knows that statement is bullshit Raines. You think your
> childish tactics here are gonna work?
Don't need any tactics....he hasn't produce one bit of advice to anyone. He
hasn't proven that he does know anything.
For pete's sake...he couldn't even tell this forum how many btu's a kw of
electricity produced based on COP.
>
> You should spend more time concentrating on walking around. Dumbasses
> like you are the ones who get run over by buses.
> Any last words?
>
> --
> Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name.
>
> *Hack* *Hack* *hack*
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| Raines 2006-02-24, 12:21 am |
| "Bill" <bill@hvac2.com> wrote in message
news:d9iLf.94936$tK4.49835@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> In article <43fd2a21$0$25089$38cecc19@news.illicom.net>,
> "Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote:
>
>
> He can post in alt.binaries.warcraft but that wouldn't be where he
> needed to be either.
>
> It does make you a stupid XXXXXXX to advocate otherwise.
>
> You're just a troll Raines and not bright enough to carry Paul's tools.
>
> Any idea when you're gonna get a life and go where you are wanted and
>
>
>
> Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnt scratch that. Now I know why you're here. LOL
Wow...and all this for telling someone he can post here..LOL...it must just
kill you to see someone defend a person who just wants a simple answer.
That says more about you than anything....and you call me an XXXXXXX...now
thats rich.
>
> --
> Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name.
>
> *Hack* *Hack* *hack*
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| PrecisionMechanical 2006-02-24, 1:21 am |
|
"Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote in message
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>
> Wow...and all this for telling someone he can post here..LOL...it must
just
> kill you to see someone defend a person who just wants a simple answer.
> That says more about you than anything....and you call me an XXXXXXX...now
> thats rich.
>
Raines,
Here's one for ya....
Yes, you and him can continue to post here--but nobody fucking HAS to
reply.......
===
Latest rundown--wired up that welder tranny 200A x 36v=7.2 kva.....3 Ø
Need to1/2 that because of using one set of input coils as an input and the
other as output windings in a wye configuration........so 3.6 kva then...now
75 % duty rate, so on continual usage, I'll end up with something less...but
for testing purposes...still use the 3.6 figure.
Load is 5.3 @ 460.......= ~2.43kva......voltages off the rotary converter
are 210 / 220/ 240 appx, these ratio out reasonably equal in the stepped up
output.......no frame hum, and no load current is well under 1/2 amp...
Thinking I'm good to go....will watch the core temp rise as I go along...
Probly will eventually mount that particular transformer into a vented
enclosure and use it as a smallish 460 buss in the shop at a later date--a
bit scary to have it sitting open on the concrete floor, even
temporarily...on any continued usage I would will wire up the thermal cutout
so as to break a fault line contactor......
Comments ???
( Yet another nice troll, eh Mike ).......<G>
--
SVL
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| Raines 2006-02-24, 2:21 am |
| "PrecisionMechanical" <precisionmachinist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote in message
> news:43fe8097$0$25082$38cecc19@news.illicom.net...
> just
>
>
> Raines,
>
> Here's one for ya....
>
> Yes, you and him can continue to post here--but nobody fucking HAS to
> reply.......
Yet yall do.....hmmmmm
>
> ===
>
> Latest rundown--wired up that welder tranny 200A x 36v=7.2 kva.....3 Ø
>
> Need to1/2 that because of using one set of input coils as an input and
> the
> other as output windings in a wye configuration........so 3.6 kva
> then...now
> 75 % duty rate, so on continual usage, I'll end up with something
> less...but
> for testing purposes...still use the 3.6 figure.
>
> Load is 5.3 @ 460.......= ~2.43kva......voltages off the rotary converter
> are 210 / 220/ 240 appx, these ratio out reasonably equal in the stepped
> up
> output.......no frame hum, and no load current is well under 1/2 amp...
>
> Thinking I'm good to go....will watch the core temp rise as I go along...
>
> Probly will eventually mount that particular transformer into a vented
> enclosure and use it as a smallish 460 buss in the shop at a later date--a
> bit scary to have it sitting open on the concrete floor, even
> temporarily...on any continued usage I would will wire up the thermal
> cutout
> so as to break a fault line contactor......
>
> Comments ???
>
> ( Yet another nice troll, eh Mike ).......<G>
>
> --
>
> SVL
>
>
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| PrecisionMechanical 2006-02-24, 2:21 am |
|
"~^Johnny^~" <nospam@gyrogearloose.com> wrote in message
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>
> Most of the "Regs" are here as a pastime, and to occasionally help
> someone (or flame someone). Hell, some of us are retired, and have
> nothing better to do than to bullshit. :-)
>
> BTW: You misspelled "hypocrite".
>
Nice post, John..
Still, suggest lest not forget tha redneck definitition.....
"Grampaw done retard"..."left the cotton mill in '94....age 64....a full
pension, wit da compleat medicinal benefits package"....
--
SVL
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| PrecisionMechanical 2006-02-24, 2:21 am |
|
"Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote in message
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> "PrecisionMechanical" <precisionmachinist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:pr6dnSG_9ooPDGPenZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@scnresearch.com...
>
> Yet yall do.....hmmmmm
>
They're feeling sorry for you, perhaps.....
--
SVL
Everybody laughed whenever I told them that someday * I * would be a
comedian.....but now that I am one, nobody's laughing any more.......
--Author unknown.
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| PrecisionMechanical 2006-02-24, 3:21 am |
|
"Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote in message
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> For pete's sake...he couldn't even tell this forum how many btu's a kw of
> electricity produced based on COP.
No, he refrained from answering to you, on his own volition, else perhaps he
never even read the post......
--Pretty much everyone here already know that the cop of electricity is 1.
( Except you, perhaps )......
And if your too fucking stupid to understand and routinely apply within your
thermal calculations the fact that "COP" is simply a multiplier of the
above--it's being used for the purposes of calculating the energy
requirements involved with moving heat from one place to another using
electricity ( rather that producing heat outright ) then you have no fucking
business whatsoever in expecting answers from anyone else here. Let alone
even posting on this "forum" in the first place.......
--
SVL
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| Raines 2006-02-24, 3:21 am |
| "PrecisionMechanical" <precisionmachinist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote in message
> news:43fe8019$0$25077$38cecc19@news.illicom.net...
>
>
>
> No, he refrained from answering to you, on his own volition, else perhaps
> he
> never even read the post......
>
> --Pretty much everyone here already know that the cop of electricity is 1.
> ( Except you, perhaps )......
Well apparantly Paul didn't know that...and yes...I know it all too well.
>
> And if your too fucking stupid to understand and routinely apply within
> your
> thermal calculations the fact that "COP" is simply a multiplier of the
> above
No shit sherlock.
--it's being used for the purposes of calculating the energy
> requirements involved with moving heat from one place to another using
> electricity ( rather that producing heat outright ) then you have no
> fucking
> business whatsoever in expecting answers from anyone else here.
Sure I did...Paul took me to task, so I cooked up a little question for him
and he couldn't answer it.
Let alone
> even posting on this "forum" in the first place.......
Its an hvac forum...which means any hvac question or post is relevant. What
simple part of that do you not understand?
>
> --
>
> SVL
>
>
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| Raines 2006-02-24, 3:21 am |
| "PrecisionMechanical" <precisionmachinist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote in message
> news:43fe96d8$0$25081$38cecc19@news.illicom.net...
>
> They're feeling sorry for you, perhaps.....
Nope..cuz they can't stand knowing that regular Joe's know just as much
about hvac as they do, and we are not even in the freakin' profession.
Kind of emasculating isn't it?
>
> --
>
> SVL
>
> Everybody laughed whenever I told them that someday * I * would be a
> comedian.....but now that I am one, nobody's laughing any more.......
>
> --Author unknown.
>
>
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| PrecisionMechanical 2006-02-24, 4:21 am |
|
"Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote in message
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> "PrecisionMechanical" <precisionmachinist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:pqCdnba3YplzOmPenZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@scnresearch.com...
of[color=darkred]
perhaps[color=darkred]
1.[color=darkred]
>
> Well apparantly Paul didn't know that...and yes...I know it all too well.
>
That's funny--beings as he's the one made that fact clear to me...about 2
years ago...
>
> No shit sherlock.
>
Clear and concise, was I not ???
> --it's being used for the purposes of calculating the energy
>
> Sure I did...Paul took me to task, so I cooked up a little question for
him
> and he couldn't answer it.
>
Or he didnt see it at all...else it was obviously missing in some
variable...and you was so stupid that you dint include it....whatever..
Really I dont care....in fact...even your email address is invalid..kinda
like shooting yourself in the foot if you really had any valid concerns
/questions...beings the standing charter is actually fairly well written as
to sending private emails....
Your just another fucking troll to me...."Playtoy Raines"....
Middle road here...send and recieve emails from most the regulars....(
several of which don't get along well at all with one another, FWIW )
> Let alone
>
> Its an hvac forum...which means any hvac question or post is relevant.
What
> simple part of that do you not understand?
>
Missing for me is the part where it appears you imagine it to be logical for
you to expect that when you demand an answer from anyone here, you would
think that individual or someone else from the group should somehow feel
obligated to fucking give it to you.
Then again, I only engage with the insane for entertainment's sake........
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SVL
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| Raines 2006-02-24, 4:21 am |
| "PrecisionMechanical" <precisionmachinist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e6GdneudQ_A4KWPeRVn-vg@scnresearch.com...
>
> "Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote in message
> news:43feaac7$0$25079$38cecc19@news.illicom.net...
> of
> perhaps
> 1.
>
> That's funny--beings as he's the one made that fact clear to me...about 2
> years ago...
Assuming that is true, which I doubt, then you didn't know that and had to
be clued in by Paul?
And you say I don't think I should be posting here? Geez
>
>
>
> Clear and concise, was I not ???
>
> him
>
> Or he didnt see it at all
Sure he did...thats why he replied with profanity and attempts to flame
rather than answering a simple question which, if he truly is one, any
knowledgable hvac tech...and some people who are not...would know.
....else it was obviously missing in some
> variable...and you was so stupid that you dint include it....whatever..
Nice try pumpkin.
>
> Really I dont care
Sure you don't...thats why you keep trying to debate me on it.
.....in fact...even your email address is invalid..kinda
> like shooting yourself in the foot if you really had any valid concerns
> /questions
What does a little privacy have to do with knowledge?
....beings the standing charter is actually fairly well written as
> to sending private emails....
>
> Your just another fucking troll to me...."Playtoy Raines"....
Wow...more witty reparte.
> Middle road here...send and recieve emails from most the regulars....(
> several of which don't get along well at all with one another, FWIW )
>
>
> What
>
> Missing for me is the part where it appears you imagine it to be logical
> for
> you to expect that when you demand an answer from anyone here
Dont demand an answer...just a little courtesy...but I guess that escapes
people like you and Paul.
And in case you were referring to my little quiz for Paul...I didn't expect
or demand answer.
His refusal to answer base on his ignorance was sufficient for me.
, you would
> think that individual or someone else from the group should somehow feel
> obligated to fucking give it to you.
Nope...but the decent and knowledgable techs in here give people plenty of
help and good conversation.
Its just the jacktards like you and Paul that feel the way you do.
>
> Then again, I only engage with the insane for entertainment's sake........
Oh wow...how long did it take you to think that one up?
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| PrecisionMechanical 2006-02-24, 5:21 am |
|
"Play toy Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote in message
news:43feb77a$0$25068$38cecc19@news.illicom.net...
> "PrecisionMechanical" <precisionmachinist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e6GdneudQ_A4KWPeRVn-vg@scnresearch.com...
>
2[color=darkred]
>
> Assuming that is true, which I doubt, then you didn't know that and had to
> be clued in by Paul?
>
> And you say I don't think I should be posting here? Geez
>
Hmm...anyone said "no shit sherlock" recently ???
If one already knows everything, then a waste of time in even reading--let
alone in posting.....no ???
within[color=darkred]
the[color=darkred]
>
> Sure he did...thats why he replied with profanity and attempts to flame
He responds with "profanity" at any time of his choosing--If I hadda hazard
a guess, its basically a fucking random pattern.
Shit--you an XXXXXXX cocksucker, Raines........
> rather than answering a simple question which, if he truly is one, any
> knowledgable hvac tech...and some people who are not...would know.
>
Repost your original question then......give it a new header,
even...guaranteed he was busier thanna cat covering shit ~1 to 2 months
ago.....
> ...else it was obviously missing in some
>
> Nice try pumpkin.
>
Why thanks, my darlin lil cucumber sprout........
>
> Sure you don't...thats why you keep trying to debate me on it.
>
Again, I don't engage the insane--except for entertainment's sake.
Clear and concise, no ???
>
> ....in fact...even your email address is invalid..kinda
>
> What does a little privacy have to do with knowledge?
>
Go ahead....share some of your grand "knowledge" then....esp should target
those that have invalid email addresses...
Just suggest do it someplace else.......
>
> ...beings the standing charter is actually fairly well written as
>
> Wow...more witty reparte.
>
Good comedian get his materials wherever he can find em....suggest try and
do better next time........
>
>
> Dont demand an answer...just a little courtesy...but I guess that escapes
> people like you and Paul.
Fuck you, and any demands you have.
How's that for "courtesy" ????
> And in case you were referring to my little quiz for Paul...I didn't
expect
> or demand answer.
> His refusal to answer base on his ignorance was sufficient for me.
>
Because you have a fucking pea brain is all.
> , you would
>
> Nope...but the decent and knowledgable techs in here give people plenty of
You wouldn't know the differen....and also are so fucked up so as to think
you are somehow in charge of defining "decency", then......
Suggest go get yourself a good decent fucking, then.
> help and good conversation.
Instead, your up late, conversing with me alone....suggest then just shut
the fuck up then, and go to bed, XXXXXXX.........
> Its just the jacktards like you and Paul that feel the way you do.
>
Eww, "jacktard"...that's some mighty strong language....esp for such a
nutless fucking pipsqueak as yourself...you better say three hail
mary's....and be sure an go to confession on Sunday....
FWIW: IMO, Mary was probly a slut........
sake........[color=darkred]
>
> Oh wow...how long did it take you to think that one up?
>
Not long at all--occured just mere seconds after I had first met my mother
in law........
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SVL
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| PrecisionMechanical 2006-02-24, 5:21 am |
|
"Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote in message
news:43feab92$0$25074$38cecc19@news.illicom.net...
> "PrecisionMechanical" <precisionmachinist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4JydnS_tVN31BmPeRVn-rw@scnresearch.com...
must[color=darkred]
>
> Nope..cuz they can't stand knowing that regular Joe's know just as much
> about hvac as they do, and we are not even in the freakin' profession.
>
> Kind of emasculating isn't it?
>
Problem is, so far you havent come to the forefront as knowing fucking shit
allabout anything even remotely relevant.
And everyone here sees that.
--
SVL
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|
| In article <43fe8097$0$25082$38cecc19@news.illicom.net>,
"Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote:
>
> Wow...and all this for telling someone he can post here..LOL...it must just
> kill you to see someone defend a person who just wants a simple answer.
> That says more about you than anything....and you call me an XXXXXXX...now
> thats rich.
Why don't you take your troll HO XXX on down the road Raines. You're not
in the trade and you have no business besides stirring shit here.
You or any other homeowner who wants HVAC info can and should get it
where people are to help you get it. alt.home.repair.
That you foist your bullshit here makes you the XXXXXXX. How many times
do you have to be told this isn't a HO forum?
| |
|
| In article <43feab92$0$25074$38cecc19@news.illicom.net>,
"Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote:
>
> Nope..cuz they can't stand knowing that regular Joe's know just as much
> about hvac as they do, and we are not even in the freakin' profession.
>
> Kind of emasculating isn't it?
From you? lol
| |
|
| In article <43fe8019$0$25077$38cecc19@news.illicom.net>,
"Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote:
>
> Don't need any tactics....he hasn't produce one bit of advice to anyone. He
> hasn't proven that he does know anything.
> For pete's sake...he couldn't even tell this forum how many btu's a kw of
> electricity produced based on COP.
Nobody has to prove shit to you and as far as I can see nobody is
inclined to.
Nobody gives a shit about your DIY project or what you think you know.
This place isn't for you. If I could ban you I would. You apparently
have a fetish for Paul and that also isn't this newsgroup.
Move on butthead.
| |
|
| In article <43feaac7$0$25079$38cecc19@news.illicom.net>,
"Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote:
> Its an hvac forum...which means any hvac question or post is relevant. What
> simple part of that do you not understand?
Annnnt Nope sorry wrong. Were not here for you. Were here for us. So FO.
You want questions answered you take your HO XXX to alt.home.repair
where they handle them there.
How many times do you need to be told Raines? Or are you too stupid to
grasp it?
| |
|
| In article <ujesv1pt1bfbc0m06m04jb5v4ld5c0t276@4ax.com>,
~^Johnny^~ <nospam@gyrogearloose.com> wrote:
> BTW: You misspelled "hypocrite".
I wouldn't tell him. I prefer the knotheads to remain so.
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| Raines 2006-02-25, 12:21 am |
| "Bill" <bill@hvac2.com> wrote in message
news:x0JLf.95394$tK4.6@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> In article <43feaac7$0$25079$38cecc19@news.illicom.net>,
> "Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote:
>
>
> Annnnt Nope sorry wrong. Were not here for you. Were here for us. So FO.
>
> You want questions answered you take your HO XXX to alt.home.repair
> where they handle them there.
>
> How many times do you need to be told Raines? Or are you too stupid to
> grasp it?
And you are too stupid to realize that someone posting here with a simple
question more than likely are NOT trying to repair anything themselves. If
they were, then your little "go to alt.home.repair" lame would be relevant.
Most people who post a question are not repairing anything
themselves....just curious as to what it might be before a technician
arrives on site.
And also, just maybe, its because there are so many rip-off techs out there
that they may want to arm themselves against some of your less than
reputable brethren.
Lord knows by the jerk attitudes you, precision and Paul display, you are
among the less than reputable.
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| Raines 2006-02-25, 12:21 am |
| "Bill" <bill@hvac2.com> wrote in message
news:e_ILf.95393$tK4.19666@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> In article <43fe8019$0$25077$38cecc19@news.illicom.net>,
> "Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote:
>
> Nobody has to prove shit to you and as far as I can see nobody is
> inclined to.
Your right..nobody has to. But Paul hasn't proven that he knows jack....oh
yet he claims to be superior.
Whatever happened to just simply being a nice person? Or are you assholes
all the time?
> Nobody gives a shit about your DIY project or what you think you know.
> This place isn't for you. If I could ban you I would. You apparently
> have a fetish for Paul and that also isn't this newsgroup.
> Move on butthead.
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| Raines 2006-02-25, 12:21 am |
| "~^Johnny^~" <nospam@gyrogearloose.com> wrote in message
news:ujesv1pt1bfbc0m06m04jb5v4ld5c0t276@4ax.com...
> On 22 Feb 2006 11:27:44 -0800, jdhancock@parker.com wrote:
>
>
>
> It's in his sig. Ads, quotes, and links in sigs are kosher.
>
> Also, off-topic posts are welcome here, if they're not from
> spammers. Newbies here, who are home owners, WILL get attacked.
Sure, but those who attack are proving themselves to be nothing more than
hacks...and it seems..from what I've read..that the "home owner" that poses
a legit question seems to know more than the so-called techs that do the
attacking.
Maybe thats the problem...they are pissed that a home owner knows just as
much, if not more than they do.
Case in point...Doug Rye could bury people like Paul with hvac
knowledge...but is he a technician? No...he simply knows more about Paul's
alleged profession than Paul does....so do most of the "home moaners" in
here as Paul likes to put it...and I know it just pisses Paul off.
> Is it right? Probably not. Is it rude? Probably. So what?
> It's usenet. It's a venting ground, and what a better group is there
> in which to vent and blow hot air, than alt.hvac ? So cool it.
> <g,d,r>
>
> But a little sarcasm goes a long way, and you must look inside the
> man, not at the facade which is his usenet posting style.
>
>
> "Regulars" in any newsgroup tend to get to know one another.
> You'll learn to love some, and hate others, notwithstanding
> all of the displayed intolerance, belligerence, and vitriol -
> none of which indicate ignorance, BTW.
>
> 80 to 90% of it is in fun, anyhow, one way or another.
>
> Most of the "Regs" are here as a pastime, and to occasionally help
> someone (or flame someone). Hell, some of us are retired, and have
> nothing better to do than to bullshit. :-)
>
> BTW: You misspelled "hypocrite".
>
>
>
> --
> -john
> wide-open at throttle dot info
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| Jim McLaughlin 2006-02-25, 1:21 am |
|
> "Bill" <bill@hvac2.com> wrote in message
> news:e_ILf.95393$tK4.19666@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
>
>
Poor Bill. Not bright enough to know how to create a moderated alt
hierarchy news group, so he can keep people out. Also, of course, too lazy
do the work required of a moderator in a moderated group.
Kind of like his approach to hvac work...too stupid and too lazy to actually
accomplish anything.
Of course, the only ones around here with fetishes are paul anfd his band of
minions....jus read their posts.
paul has issues with his sexual identity. Its okay to came out of the
closet paul, we won't think anything less of pu. Its not possible to think
less of you than we already do.
| |
|
| In article <YKGdna9jJbuqfGLenZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Jim McLaughlin" <jim.mclaughlin> wrote:
>
> Poor Bill. Not bright enough to know how to create a moderated alt
>
Jimmy you are more than welcome to go make as many newsgroups as you
want.
Now talk your sad old XXX elsewhere. Whassamatter? Too stupid to find
alt.home.repair?
--
Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name.
*Hack* *Hack* *hack*
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|
| In article <43ffccff$0$25087$38cecc19@news.illicom.net>,
"Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote:
>
> And you are too stupid to realize that someone posting here with a simple
> question more than likely are NOT trying to repair anything themselves. If
> they were, then your little "go to alt.home.repair" lame would be relevant.
>
> Most people who post a question are not repairing anything
> themselves....just curious as to what it might be before a technician
> arrives on site.
We don't give a shit. That's what alt.home.repair is for. What you think
we should give people is irrelevant.
It's all a guess until someone actually looks at it. Now that your
stupidity about what we should be doing in our newsgroup has been
answered. You can leave.
--
Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name.
*Hack* *Hack* *hack*
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| Raines 2006-02-26, 12:21 am |
| "Bill" <bill@hvac2.com> wrote in message
news:hZTLf.95568$tK4.25779@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> In article <43ffccff$0$25087$38cecc19@news.illicom.net>,
> "Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote:
>
>
> We don't give a shit. That's what alt.home.repair is for. What you think
> we should give people is irrelevant.
>
> It's all a guess until someone actually looks at it. Now that your
> stupidity about what we should be doing in our newsgroup has been
> answered. You can leave.
You can do as you like....so can the people posting questions that are not
techs.
>
> --
> Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name.
>
> *Hack* *Hack* *hack*
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| You have been told to do many different things
why not do something simple you self like
when is good hot day block off return with piece
of cardboard (which you can always remove)
and see what kind results you going to get
as simple as that.
Good luck form Dido
<jdhancock@parker.com> wrote in message
news:1140635824.537975.308720@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> This is probably a stupid question.
> I live on lake erie in ohio.
> Does every room require a cold air return? I have a 2 story colonial
> and am looking to remove a cold air return in one bedroom. The other 2
> bedrooms both have cold air returns.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Clem
>
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|
| You have been told to do many different things
why not do something simple you self like
when is good hot day block off return with piece
of cardboard (which you can always remove)
and see what kind results you going to get
as simple as that.
Good luck form Dido
<jdhancock@parker.com> wrote in message
news:1140635824.537975.308720@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> This is probably a stupid question.
> I live on lake erie in ohio.
> Does every room require a cold air return? I have a 2 story colonial
> and am looking to remove a cold air return in one bedroom. The other 2
> bedrooms both have cold air returns.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Clem
>
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