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| Marissa 2006-02-26, 9:21 pm |
| I have an American Standard gas furnace, a few years old. Whenever the
thermostat calls for heat, it creates a lot of radio noise. It pretty
much wipes out the entire AM radio band and causes other problems as
well. Has anyone seen this and found a cure?
Also are there any differences between Trane furnaces and American
Standard furnaces? I see they are the same company. One technician is
telling me they are the same, another says they are different.
Can any Pros out there share any info?
Model AUY080.
Thanks!
Marissa
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-02-26, 9:21 pm |
| On 26 Feb 2006 16:52:20 -0800, "Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>I have an American Standard gas furnace, a few years old. Whenever the
>thermostat calls for heat, it creates a lot of radio noise. It pretty
>much wipes out the entire AM radio band and causes other problems as
>well. Has anyone seen this and found a cure?
Buy the very best programmable digital thermostat you can
find.
>
>Also are there any differences between Trane furnaces and American
>Standard furnaces? I see they are the same company. One technician is
>telling me they are the same, another says they are different.
>
>Can any Pros out there share any info?
>Model AUY080.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Marissa
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| Marissa 2006-02-26, 10:21 pm |
|
..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> On 26 Feb 2006 16:52:20 -0800, "Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Buy the very best programmable digital thermostat you can
> find.
Hi,
I have a Honeywell Vision Pro thermostat that we like a lot. What are
your thoughts on this model?
Thermostat Model # TH8321
Thanks!
---Marissa
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-02-26, 10:21 pm |
| On 26 Feb 2006 17:15:46 -0800, "Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>I have a Honeywell Vision Pro thermostat that we like a lot. What are
>your thoughts on this model?
>
>Thermostat Model # TH8321
You need a much higher-line thermostat to deal with the AM
noise issue.
Try a Honeywell's VisionPro T8321 7-Day Programmable Thermostat with
Dehumidification Control
>
>Thanks!
>
>---Marissa
--
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http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
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'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
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| Noon-Air 2006-02-26, 10:21 pm |
| you have a good furnace, and a good stat...
Now...make sure you have a good ground.
"Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141002946.862298.10150@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a Honeywell Vision Pro thermostat that we like a lot. What are
> your thoughts on this model?
>
> Thermostat Model # TH8321
>
> Thanks!
>
> ---Marissa
>
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| CAVHBC 2006-02-26, 10:21 pm |
|
"Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141002946.862298.10150@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a Honeywell Vision Pro thermostat that we like a lot. What are
> your thoughts on this model?
>
> Thermostat Model # TH8321
Thats the Home Depot Overpriced POS that isnt worth $40.
really...I hope you got it on the clearance rack...they just got rid of them
at lowes here for $30 each.....
>
> Thanks!
>
> ---Marissa
>
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| Marissa 2006-02-26, 10:21 pm |
|
..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> On 26 Feb 2006 17:15:46 -0800, "Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> You need a much higher-line thermostat to deal with the AM
> noise issue.
>
> Try a Honeywell's VisionPro T8321 7-Day Programmable Thermostat with
> Dehumidification Control
Hey there,
T8321, that's the one I do have. I just went to check and there is no
H. Sorry about that. So based on your comments so far, it's not the
thermostat.
Thanks!
--Marissa
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| John S 2006-02-26, 10:21 pm |
| CAVHBC wrote:
> "Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1141002946.862298.10150@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Thats the Home Depot Overpriced POS that isnt worth $40.
> really...I hope you got it on the clearance rack...they just got rid of them
> at lowes here for $30 each.....
Hi CAVHBC,
I actually have the T8321 (there's no H in there). We like this thermostat a
lot and I've heard it's a good one. But I don't think the thermostat is the
issue here.
Thanks!
--Marissa
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| Marissa 2006-02-26, 10:21 pm |
| Hi CAVHBC,
I actually have the T8321 (there's no H in there). We like this
thermostat a
lot and I've heard it's a good one. But I don't think the thermostat is
the
issue here.
Thanks!
--Marissa
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| John S 2006-02-26, 10:21 pm |
| Marissa wrote:
Hey sorry about the last post quote goof up. The T8321 is a good stat, I
doubt that is your problem. More likely the electronics in the furnace
(probably the inducer motor) are causing the problems. A decent tech
should be able to tell for sure, a bunch of Trane or Am Std have had that
issue and the factory does have a fix for it. HTH!
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-02-26, 10:21 pm |
| On 26 Feb 2006 17:41:03 -0800, "Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>
>Hey there,
>
>T8321, that's the one I do have. I just went to check and there is no
>H. Sorry about that. So based on your comments so far, it's not the
>thermostat.
Sorry, I copied the wrong thing ( duplicate of yours ) without
looking.
You absolutely need a better thermostat.
>
>Thanks!
>
>--Marissa
--
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Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
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| Oscar_Lives 2006-02-26, 10:21 pm |
|
<.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
news:nhn4025mmfig35i8mffkosan55vd08el0o@4ax.com...
> On 26 Feb 2006 17:41:03 -0800, "Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Sorry, I copied the wrong thing ( duplicate of yours ) without
> looking.
>
> You absolutely need a better thermostat.
>
Wrap the thermostat in aluminum foil and run a ground wire from the foil to
a cold water line. That should take care of the interference.
[color=darkred]
>
> --
>
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
>
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
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| Marissa 2006-02-26, 10:21 pm |
|
..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> On 26 Feb 2006 17:41:03 -0800, "Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Sorry, I copied the wrong thing ( duplicate of yours ) without
> looking.
>
> You absolutely need a better thermostat.
Assuming you know anything about furnaces and thermostats, why do you
say that? What is wrong with the T8321 and what else do I need in a
thermostat?
Thanks!
Marissa
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| Marissa 2006-02-26, 11:21 pm |
|
Oscar_Lives wrote:
> <.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
> news:nhn4025mmfig35i8mffkosan55vd08el0o@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
> Wrap the thermostat in aluminum foil and run a ground wire from the foil to
> a cold water line. That should take care of the interference.
Ha ha, very funny. Did you think that up all by yourself, Oscar? 
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| Marissa 2006-02-26, 11:21 pm |
|
John S wrote:
> Marissa wrote:
>
> Hey sorry about the last post quote goof up. The T8321 is a good stat, I
> doubt that is your problem. More likely the electronics in the furnace
> (probably the inducer motor) are causing the problems. A decent tech
> should be able to tell for sure, a bunch of Trane or Am Std have had that
> issue and the factory does have a fix for it. HTH!
Ahh, someone who knows what he is talking about. Thanks John for the
hints!
--Marissa
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| Oscar_Lives 2006-02-26, 11:21 pm |
|
"Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141006438.329896.125220@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>
> Oscar_Lives wrote:
>
> Ha ha, very funny. Did you think that up all by yourself, Oscar?
>
Hey, if you don't want help to fix it, then
FUCK YOU.
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| Oscar_Lives 2006-02-26, 11:21 pm |
|
"Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141006521.117686.288000@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> John S wrote:
>
> Ahh, someone who knows what he is talking about. Thanks John for the
> hints!
>
> --Marissa
>
Are you sure your thermostat is grounded?
Check the "G" terminal for a green wire.
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| Marissa 2006-02-26, 11:21 pm |
|
Oscar_Lives wrote:
>
>
> Hey, if you don't want help to fix it, then
No, but thanks anyway. I was looking for someone who has a clue about
heating systems, (which fortunately I found here and in private msg)
not someone who understands wrapping thermostats in foil. BTW: The
thermostat isn't the issue. Good luck with your studies!
> FUCK YOU.
In your dreams, lol!
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| Taylor Morrison 2006-02-26, 11:21 pm |
| Oscar_Lives wrote:
> "Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1141006521.117686.288000@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> Are you sure your thermostat is grounded?
>
> Check the "G" terminal for a green wire.
Hey Oscar, people with a clue about HVAC systems know that the G-Green is often
used for the fan. But have a nice day anyway, LoL!
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| Bubba 2006-02-26, 11:21 pm |
| On 26 Feb 2006 18:15:21 -0800, "Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>John S wrote:
>
>Ahh, someone who knows what he is talking about. Thanks John for the
>hints!
>
>--Marissa
Marissa,
A lot of guys in here like to goof off once in a while. It breaks up
the monotonmy. NOT ME! I shoot it straight from the hip.
Replace that thermostat. Its a good one but they have had 3 revisions
of the same stat. You also need a good ground between the C terminal
on the stat and your water line. Of course you also need a double
ground rod on your main house panel. Make sure you have a jumper
ground wire across your water meter. Otherwise you loose all ground to
your home. Buy some mini-rectifiers at the Rat Shack. They are real
cheap. Just plug them in wherever you have an electrical appliance.
Make sure you also use Surge Supressors on your computer equipment.
Lastly, your utility company makes a new electric meter with a Surge
Protector in it. This really cuts down on the RF noise in your
electrical system. You might want to also install a @GroundBooster in
your furnace. American Standard has these to clear up the noise.
Bubba
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| Taylor Morrison 2006-02-26, 11:21 pm |
| "Bubba <" wrote:
>
> Marissa,
> A lot of guys in here like to goof off once in a while. It breaks up
> the monotonmy. NOT ME! I shoot it straight from the hip.
> Replace that thermostat. Its a good one but they have had 3 revisions
> of the same stat. You also need a good ground between the C terminal
> on the stat and your water line. Of course you also need a double
> ground rod on your main house panel. Make sure you have a jumper
> ground wire across your water meter. Otherwise you loose all ground to
> your home. Buy some mini-rectifiers at the Rat Shack. They are real
> cheap. Just plug them in wherever you have an electrical appliance.
> Make sure you also use Surge Supressors on your computer equipment.
> Lastly, your utility company makes a new electric meter with a Surge
> Protector in it. This really cuts down on the RF noise in your
> electrical system. You might want to also install a @GroundBooster in
> your furnace. American Standard has these to clear up the noise.
> Bubba
Great advice, genius! Any other nonsensical fantasies?
Marissa, I don't think I need to point out that this guy isn't the brightest
flame out there, LoL! Sounds like you're on the right track with the furnace
electronics. You might want to go on American Standard's (or Trane's) website
to find a dealer that specializes in the brand in your area. They can get the
Service Bulletin that covers this item, or if they don't have it, their
Distributor can.
http://asc.know-where.com/americanstandard/
http://www.trane.com/residential/de...dealerinfo.aspx
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-02-26, 11:21 pm |
| On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 02:39:17 GMT, Bubba <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com>>
wrote:
>On 26 Feb 2006 18:15:21 -0800, "Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>Marissa,
>A lot of guys in here like to goof off once in a while. It breaks up
>the monotonmy. NOT ME! I shoot it straight from the hip.
Right down your leg, usually.
>Replace that thermostat. Its a good one but they have had 3 revisions
>of the same stat. You also need a good ground between the C terminal
>on the stat and your water line. Of course you also need a double
>ground rod on your main house panel. Make sure you have a jumper
>ground wire across your water meter. Otherwise you loose all ground to
>your home. Buy some mini-rectifiers at the Rat Shack. They are real
>cheap. Just plug them in wherever you have an electrical appliance.
>Make sure you also use Surge Supressors on your computer equipment.
>Lastly, your utility company makes a new electric meter with a Surge
>Protector in it. This really cuts down on the RF noise in your
>electrical system. You might want to also install a @GroundBooster in
>your furnace. American Standard has these to clear up the noise.
>Bubba
--
Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
| |
| Taylor Morrison 2006-02-26, 11:21 pm |
| ..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> On 26 Feb 2006 18:13:58 -0800, "Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Don't be too much of a smart-XXX, XXXXX. YHBT ( You Have
> Been Trolled ).
Wow, you must be a true "PRO!" LoL!
>
>
> You see, me and everyone else has been pulling your chain,
Not very successfully, too.
>
> because THIS IS NOT A HOME_MOANER ADVICE GROUP !!!!!
No need to pay him any attention. This is an alt group and the topic is HVAC.
This guy thinks he's some sort of moderating super-nanny. Tip for pjm et al: If
you don't want someone to post in a group, start one and remember to make it
moderated. Cheers!
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| Bubba 2006-02-27, 12:21 am |
| On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:37:39 -0500, Taylor Morrison <taylor@spam.free>
wrote:
>"Bubba <" wrote:
>
>
>Great advice, genius! Any other nonsensical fantasies?
The only fantasy is your's Taylor. All the suckin up you want and you
still wont get laid by Marissa. I guess that what you figure CyberSex
is.
Bubba
>
>Marissa, I don't think I need to point out that this guy isn't the brightest
>flame out there, LoL! Sounds like you're on the right track with the furnace
>electronics. You might want to go on American Standard's (or Trane's) website
>to find a dealer that specializes in the brand in your area. They can get the
>Service Bulletin that covers this item, or if they don't have it, their
>Distributor can.
>
>http://asc.know-where.com/americanstandard/
>http://www.trane.com/residential/de...dealerinfo.aspx
>
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| Taylor Morrison 2006-02-27, 12:21 am |
| "Bubba <" wrote:
>
> The only fantasy is your's Taylor. All the suckin up you want and you
> still wont get laid by Marissa. I guess that what you figure CyberSex
> is.
Haha, I just like to help people out when they need it. Nice to know what you're
thinking of. Guess everyone has to be good at
*something*, LoL!
| |
| CAVHBC 2006-02-27, 1:21 am |
|
"Taylor Morrison" <taylor@spam.free> wrote in message
news:44026359.C8DD0A60@spam.free...
> Oscar_Lives wrote:
>
>
> Hey Oscar, people with a clue about HVAC systems know that the G-Green is
> often
> used for the fan. But have a nice day anyway, LoL!
>
Wow.....yall use GREEN for the G?
Yall a bunch of newbie meat thats about to get taken to the cleaners...nice
try on the post TO change...moron.
>
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| CAVHBC 2006-02-27, 1:21 am |
|
"Taylor Morrison" <taylor@spam.free> wrote in message
news:44027032.B6B44EB4@spam.free...
> "Bubba <" wrote:
>
>
> Haha, I just like to help people out when they need it. Nice to know
> what you're
> thinking of. Guess everyone has to be good at
> *something*, LoL!
>
So far, youre GREAT at being a fucktard.
so..i guess that means you are just happy to be good at SOMETHING...
| |
| CAVHBC 2006-02-27, 1:21 am |
|
"Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141007168.584557.106370@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>
> Oscar_Lives wrote:
>
>
> No, but thanks anyway. I was looking for someone who has a clue about
> heating systems, (which fortunately I found here and in private msg)
> not someone who understands wrapping thermostats in foil. BTW: The
> thermostat isn't the issue. Good luck with your studies!
>
>
> In your dreams, lol!
AM?
AM?
Fuck AM...most civilized people are now XM.
>
| |
| CAVHBC 2006-02-27, 1:21 am |
|
"Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141004905.446404.302250@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> Hi CAVHBC,
>
> I actually have the T8321 (there's no H in there). We like this
> thermostat a
> lot and I've heard it's a good one. But I don't think the thermostat is
> the
> issue here.
>
Thermostats not the issue...not even close.
BTW...take your issues down the road..this aint the place for them.
> Thanks!
>
> --Marissa
>
| |
| ~^Johnny^~ 2006-02-27, 6:21 am |
| On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 02:54:13 GMT, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:
>On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 02:39:17 GMT, Bubba <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com>>
>wrote:
>
[color=darkred]
>
> Right down your leg, usually.
ROTFLMAO!
--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info
| |
| Cooltemp Industries 2006-02-27, 3:21 pm |
|
Marissa wrote:
> I have an American Standard gas furnace, a few years old. Whenever the
> thermostat calls for heat, it creates a lot of radio noise. It pretty
> much wipes out the entire AM radio band and causes other problems as
> well. Has anyone seen this and found a cure?
Buy a new radio.
| |
| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-02-27, 4:21 pm |
| On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:18:56 -0500, Cooltemp Industries
<gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote:
>
>
>Marissa wrote:
>
>Buy a new radio.
Buy a new band.
--
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Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
| |
|
| Marrisa
sorry that you have those problems and I do know that
it could be very annoying.
first is your furnaces hot air or hot water or steam
do you have zone valves if is hot water I am familiar
only with some, however if you have hot water furnace
thermostat can be arcing when is trying to connect very
same can happen Taco power heads when connecting
or disconnecting. some time it is simple cure by changing
item, you can also perhaps cure the problem your self
by putting couple capacitors across contacts chose
couple different values like .005@400vdc in parallel
with .01@400vdc this will cut down arcing and reduce
interference. If you have ham operator in you area
it is possible they may help you.
Good luck from Dido
"Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141001540.350205.263560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>I have an American Standard gas furnace, a few years old. Whenever the
> thermostat calls for heat, it creates a lot of radio noise. It pretty
> much wipes out the entire AM radio band and causes other problems as
> well. Has anyone seen this and found a cure?
>
> Also are there any differences between Trane furnaces and American
> Standard furnaces? I see they are the same company. One technician is
> telling me they are the same, another says they are different.
>
> Can any Pros out there share any info?
> Model AUY080.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Marissa
>
| |
| Cooltemp Industries 2006-02-27, 10:21 pm |
|
Dido wrote:
> Marrisa
> sorry that you have those problems and I do know that
> it could be very annoying.
> first is your furnaces hot air or hot water or steam
> do you have zone valves if is hot water I am familiar
> only with some, however if you have hot water furnace
> thermostat can be arcing when is trying to connect very
> same can happen Taco power heads when connecting
> or disconnecting. some time it is simple cure by changing
> item, you can also perhaps cure the problem your self
> by putting couple capacitors across contacts chose
> couple different values like .005@400vdc in parallel
> with .01@400vdc this will cut down arcing and reduce
> interference. If you have ham operator in you area
> it is possible they may help you.
> Good luck from Dido
I hope the rest of you are writing all this down....LOL
| |
| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-02-27, 11:21 pm |
| On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:08:11 -0500, Cooltemp Industries
<gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote:
>
>
>Dido wrote:
Oh, geez, a polite dildo.
[color=darkred]
>
>I hope the rest of you are writing all this down....LOL
Once a dildo, always a dildo.
--
Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
| |
| Taylor Morrison 2006-02-28, 1:21 am |
|
CAVHBC wrote:
> "Taylor Morrison" <taylor@spam.free> wrote in message
> news:44027032.B6B44EB4@spam.free...
>
> So far, youre GREAT at being a fucktard.
>
> so..i guess that means you are just happy to be good at SOMETHING...
Anymore juvenile comments? Please send 'em on, you're good for a chuckle.
LoL!
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| Taylor Morrison 2006-02-28, 1:21 am |
|
CAVHBC wrote:
> "Taylor Morrison" <taylor@spam.free> wrote in message
> news:44026359.C8DD0A60@spam.free...
>
> Wow.....yall use GREEN for the G?
>
> Yall a bunch of newbie meat thats about to get taken to the cleaners...nice
> try on the post TO change...moron.
LoL! Just to let you know, newsgroups don't have a "TO." Glad I could help!
| |
| Taylor Morrison 2006-02-28, 1:21 am |
|
CAVHBC wrote:
> "Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1141004905.446404.302250@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>
> Thermostats not the issue...not even close.
>
> BTW...take your issues down the road..this aint the place for them.
Feel free not to read. No place better than alt.HVAC for HVAC issues. Have
a nice day, CAV.
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| Taylor Morrison 2006-02-28, 1:21 am |
| Cooltemp Industries wrote:
> Marissa wrote:
>
> Buy a new radio.
If its an interference problem, a new radio won't help.
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| PrecisionMechanical 2006-02-28, 4:21 am |
|
"Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141001540.350205.263560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> I have an American Standard gas furnace, a few years old. Whenever the
> thermostat calls for heat, it creates a lot of radio noise. It pretty
> much wipes out the entire AM radio band and causes other problems as
> well. Has anyone seen this and found a cure?
>
http://www.radioing.com/eengineer/d...ts/fccbook.html
>
> Also are there any differences between Trane furnaces and American
> Standard furnaces? I see they are the same company. One technician is
> telling me they are the same, another says they are different.
>
Yes, they're different....
HTH
--
SVL
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| buffalobill 2006-02-28, 10:21 am |
| maybe a blower motor in your furnace, but it's easier to try a
different radio or change antenna hookups. just try a battery operated
radio instead if the interference is thru the ac wiring.
other radio noise solutions at:
http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_a...l#AUDIOFAQA_018
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| Cooltemp Industries 2006-02-28, 12:36 pm |
|
Taylor Morrison wrote:
> If its an interference problem, a new radio won't help.
Taylor. I'll make it real simple for you.
First, it's a credit to your character that you enjoy helping others.
However, there are several reasons why MOST of us in here ( not all) do
not dispense information to home owners. One reason being simple
economics. That's right, the almighty dollar. We make a living by fixing
peoples HVAC systems. Putting food on the table, buying clothes for our
kids, paying our hydro and gas bills, our property taxes, car and truck
repairs, all of this comes into play when telling Joe Public how to fix
his own furnace. Call me greedy, but I like to have money in my wallet.
Some will argue that, for instance, Joe Public with the fan problem
doesn't live anywhere near me, so I wouldn't have seen a dollar from his
problem anyway. The fact is, it's nullifying a potential service call of
some tech out there, if not me. Next time it very well could be me. One
must also consider all the other homeowners who will read these posts
and attempt to fix their own furnaces.
More importantly though, there are the inherent safety considerations
that go along with with do-it-yourself repairs. This guy with the fan
problem that you're so eager to help, and so quick to slam us for NOT
helping, is now going to attempt to tamper with a safety feature of his
furnace. It's a fan AND a HIGH TEMPERATURE LIMIT.
Will he properly replace the limit wires with attention made to the
wires not fusing together at a later date due to overheating or
chaffing, thereby bypassing his guard against a fire caused by
over-heating? Will he replace the limit with one that has the same
penetration, the same operating characteristics.
Will he spot a potentially deadly fault that caused his fan/limit to
malfunction in the first place?(I'm not going to tell you what that is).
Will he spot other safety considerations that could cause him harm while
working on his fan/limit, that a trained tech knows to look for, and
that have nothing to do with his fan/limit?
I had a customer replace his own t/couple, one he bought a hardware store.
Real simple, right, Taylor? Harmless, right buddy? A monkey could do it!
Except the monkey didn't know that afterwards, the burners weren't
properly aligned with the pilot assembly, which caused a delayed
ignition, which caused his basement to catch on fire. However, his
insurance company did know, after the fire marshall told them.
What may seem like a quick and easy fix to you, is often interlaced with
other, more potentially harmful consequences. Remember that childhood
song about the foot bone being connected to the leg bone, the leg bone
connected to the knee bone, and so on...same analogy here.
There are reasons why we don't tell DIY's how to fix their own equipment.
There are reasons why we are required to be licensed and insured.
Think twice before you offer up what you consider to be "free and
helpful advice".
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| Cooltemp Industries 2006-02-28, 1:38 pm |
|
Cooltemp Industries wrote:
>
>
> Taylor Morrison wrote:
>
>
>
> Taylor. I'll make it real simple for you.
> First, it's a credit to your character that you enjoy helping others.
> However, there are several reasons why MOST of us in here ( not all) do
> not dispense information to home owners.
One more thing, Taylor.
Have you considered the very real possibility that this furnace has a
fan center for A/C?
And what if it's an older style fan center, and this customer has a
by-passed limit because of it? ( I've had the make and model numbers
memorized for years).
And what if one of thousands of techs has come along in the past,
spotted the by-pass, and rectified it? Do you know what that means?
You and your homeowner have just fried the gas valve.
And what if his humidistat wiring is connected in a way that it just
received 120 volts on 18 guage wiring, running up the side of his metal
ductwork ,and possibly into his walls to feed his humidistat that's
mounted on the living room wall?
Do you even understand any of this?
I can guarantee you the homeowner doesn't.
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-02-28, 1:38 pm |
| On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:50:50 -0500, Cooltemp Industries
<gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote:
>And what if his humidistat wiring is connected in a way that it just
>received 120 volts on 18 guage wiring, running up the side of his metal
Reminds me of one I was on - co-worker asked me to look at his
AC if I was in the neighborhood. A contractor had told him it needed
to be replaced, inside and out.
When I pulled some LV wires off at the outside unit, I got
bit. Suprised the hell out of me. Put my meter on it - 120 V on the
stat wire. All the way inside to the stat and back out again.
Mis-wired at the unit. Fixed that, and, amazingly, all was well.
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| Cooltemp Industries 2006-02-28, 3:21 pm |
|
..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> When I pulled some LV wires off at the outside unit, I got
> bit. Suprised the hell out of me. Put my meter on it - 120 V on the
> stat wire. All the way inside to the stat and back out again.
> Mis-wired at the unit. Fixed that, and, amazingly, all was well.
Some of these well-meaning techs don't realize the surprises that some
equipment can have in store for you.
Yesterday I replaced a module on a Clare furnace. The HSI kept getting
intermittent 110, but the ventor never missed a beat, and no problems
with the pressure switch... I mention this because of what I'm about to
tell you, that is, the 110 was constant to the furnace. Afterwards, it
started up and ran fine. As I was replacing the upper furnace cover, it
started to spark and sizzle inside the electrical housing, which I
hadn't even touched. I shut off the power, opened the box, and saw that
the marrett connector for the power coming into the unit which connects
to the main L1 wire for the furnace, had melted and was shorting out
against the coil of the relay for the ventor. The vibration caused by me
putting the cover back on ( cover was bent and required "persuasion")
had caused it to make contact inside the electrical box. It blew the
relay, a single pole, double throw.
Turns out, the house has aluminum wiring, which wasn't properly
marretted with the copper wire from the furnace. I fixed the L1 and the
neutral, and replaced the relay. I'm lucky the furnace had a good ground.
This is another example of why home owners shouldn't play with things
that make fire.
Then there's the furnace that had it's 110 switched off by the neutral!
Guess who substituted for a neutral?
And the one that had a nice yellow sticker in the fuse box beside one
fuse that said "furnace". You'd think that by removing that fuse, it
would kill the 110 to the unit. Nope. The wrong fuse was labeled.
That's why guys like Taylor are dangerous to the layman, even though
they mean well.
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|
|
<.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
news:asb702phr90k6r4i2pt4oa3slqfngavjph@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:08:11 -0500, Cooltemp Industries
> <gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote:
>
>
> Oh, geez, a polite dildo.
>
>
> Once a dildo, always a dildo.
you right once XXX always XXX
I see you been looking in mirow
from Dido
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
>
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
| |
| Cooltemp Industries 2006-02-28, 6:21 pm |
|
Dido wrote:
> you right once XXX always XXX
> I see you been looking in mirow
> from Dido
Is every alt group issued one of these guys??
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-02-28, 7:21 pm |
| On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:06:34 -0500, Cooltemp Industries
<gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote:
>
>
>Dildo wrote:
>
>
>Is every alt group issued one of these guys??
No, some have to use cucumbers.
Or squash.
Or Cee-gars ( the political groups ).
--
Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
| |
|
| On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:10:58 -0500, Cooltemp Industries
<gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote:
>
>
>.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>
>
>
>Some of these well-meaning techs don't realize the surprises that some
>equipment can have in store for you.
>Yesterday I replaced a module on a Clare furnace. The HSI kept getting
>intermittent 110, but the ventor never missed a beat, and no problems
>with the pressure switch... I mention this because of what I'm about to
>tell you, that is, the 110 was constant to the furnace. Afterwards, it
>started up and ran fine. As I was replacing the upper furnace cover, it
>started to spark and sizzle inside the electrical housing, which I
>hadn't even touched. I shut off the power, opened the box, and saw that
>the marrett connector for the power coming into the unit which connects
>to the main L1 wire for the furnace, had melted and was shorting out
>against the coil of the relay for the ventor. The vibration caused by me
>putting the cover back on ( cover was bent and required "persuasion")
>had caused it to make contact inside the electrical box. It blew the
>relay, a single pole, double throw.
>Turns out, the house has aluminum wiring, which wasn't properly
>marretted with the copper wire from the furnace. I fixed the L1 and the
>neutral, and replaced the relay. I'm lucky the furnace had a good ground.
>This is another example of why home owners shouldn't play with things
>that make fire.
>Then there's the furnace that had it's 110 switched off by the neutral!
>Guess who substituted for a neutral?
>And the one that had a nice yellow sticker in the fuse box beside one
>fuse that said "furnace". You'd think that by removing that fuse, it
>would kill the 110 to the unit. Nope. The wrong fuse was labeled.
>That's why guys like Taylor are dangerous to the layman, even though
>they mean well.
Okay, Im not shy. I gotta ask. A "Clare" furnace?? I guess thats why I
like it in here. Its like a trip around the world for free. Ive not
heard of a Clare furnace. Is it manufactured by someone we all know or
is it just an old old unit?
And while Im asking..........."marrett connector"?
Im just goina be full of new info. I can see it now. My first call
tomorrow.........................
"Im sorry mam, I'm going to have to replace your "Marrett" connector.
It'll take 3 wks to order and if you turn your furnace back on with it
that way, it'll blow up your neighbors house on either side while
leaving yours in-tact". (hehe Just kiddin, ya know)
Bubba
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| Cooltemp Industries 2006-02-28, 10:21 pm |
|
Bubba < wrote:
> Okay, Im not shy. I gotta ask. A "Clare" furnace??
They were made in Quebec, Canada. They were a POS. They are no longer in
business.
> And while Im asking..........."marrett connector"?
They're for connecting 2 or more wires.I think you guys call them wire
nuts. They come in various sizes for different size wires. You twist
your wires together, then twist this thing onto them. They're plastic.
And there's some debate as to whether or not you twist the wires before
twisting the marrett on.
Marrett is a brand name. Actually, I prefer butt connectors. Know what
they are?
Cheers Bubba!
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-02-28, 10:21 pm |
| On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:00:03 -0500, Cooltemp Industries
<gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote:
>
>
>Bubba < wrote:
>
Not 'A Clare' ... 'E Clare'.
[color=darkred]
>
>They were made in Quebec, Canada. They were a POS. They are no longer in
>business.
Any where near your beer factories ? That could explain some
things :-)
>
>
>
>They're for connecting 2 or more wires.I think you guys call them wire
>nuts. They come in various sizes for different size wires. You twist
>your wires together, then twist this thing onto them. They're plastic.
>And there's some debate as to whether or not you twist the wires before
>twisting the marrett on.
>Marrett is a brand name. Actually, I prefer butt connectors. Know what
>they are?
Oh PLEASE let's not go there ......
Let's not hear any jokes about 'Stick your wire in and clamp
down real hard on it' and such ......
>Cheers Bubba!
Ever try going to your Doctor and telling him you had a bad
case of Marrett connectors ????
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| Tekkie® 2006-02-28, 11:21 pm |
| posted for all of us...
I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:06:34 -0500, Cooltemp Industries
> <gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote:
>
>
> No, some have to use cucumbers.
>
> Or squash.
>
> Or Cee-gars ( the political groups ).
>
>
>
Don't forget the windows! Same gotta licker
--
My boss said I was dumb and apathetic.
I said I don't know and I don't care...
Tekkie
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| Bubba 2006-02-28, 11:21 pm |
| On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:00:03 -0500, Cooltemp Industries
<gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote:
>
>
>Bubba < wrote:
>
>
>They were made in Quebec, Canada. They were a POS. They are no longer in
>business.
>
Gottcha. Sometimes you think you've heard of em all and then, in drops
a Clare. :-)
>
>
>They're for connecting 2 or more wires.I think you guys call them wire
>nuts. They come in various sizes for different size wires. You twist
>your wires together, then twist this thing onto them. They're plastic.
>And there's some debate as to whether or not you twist the wires before
>twisting the marrett on.
Marret connector. Thats kinda funny. Not you or what you call it. I
just think its funny that the same thing has such a diff name.
Interesting, Id say. :-)
>Marrett is a brand name. Actually, I prefer butt connectors. Know what
>they are?
>Cheers Bubba!
Yeah, I know what they are and I dont use em. I do have a tray of em
in my Marrett box. :-)
Bubba
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| Cooltemp Industries 2006-02-28, 11:21 pm |
|
..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>
>
> Any where near your beer factories ? That could explain some
> things :-)
LOL!
If the truth be known, you guys probably have cases of Molsons in your
basements, and you pour it into Coors bottles so your neighbors won't
suspect anything! :-)
No one has ever accused Americans of making good beer! LOL
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-02-28, 11:21 pm |
| On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:52:23 -0500, Cooltemp Industries
<gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote:
>
>
>.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>
>
>
>LOL!
>If the truth be known, you guys probably have cases of Molsons in your
>basements, and you pour it into Coors bottles so your neighbors won't
>suspect anything! :-)
I had a case of Molsons once - but I got better.
>No one has ever accused Americans of making good beer! LOL
No, but we make damned fine REAL booze :-)
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'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
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| Murdentech 2006-03-01, 9:21 am |
|
"Bubba >" <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com> wrote in message
news:3pr902l77uprcfhn25l6n5u0ukrkbv7ntq@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:10:58 -0500, Cooltemp Industries
> <gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote:
>
> Okay, Im not shy. I gotta ask. A "Clare" furnace?? I guess thats why I
> like it in here. Its like a trip around the world for free. Ive not
> heard of a Clare furnace. Is it manufactured by someone we all know or
> is it just an old old unit?
> And while Im asking..........."marrett connector"?
The Clare furnace was real fine, she was so hot you didn't need auxiliary
heat, but she didn't age well and had to be replaced with a new Marrett
......
> Im just goina be full of new info. I can see it now. My first call
> tomorrow.........................
> "Im sorry mam, I'm going to have to replace your "Marrett" connector.
Now when Marrett got older.... oh never mind !!!
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|
|
<.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
news:2sj902p1oqpgnnj1j2ocm43tg3a504j7aj@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:06:34 -0500, Cooltemp Industries
> <gbroderick@sunlife.com> wrote:
>
>
> No, some have to use cucumbers.
>
> Or squash.
>
> Or Cee-gars ( the political groups ).
>
>
> --
>
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
Stop feeding yourself you may lern something
Thisway you can people how good you are
that is? to those who do not know you.
from Dido
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
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| Cooltemp Industries 2006-03-01, 8:21 pm |
|
Dido wrote:
> Stop feeding yourself you may lern something
> Thisway you can people how good you are
> that is? to those who do not know you.
> from Dido
Huh??
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|
|
| Jim M. 2006-03-03, 1:21 am |
| Your gas furnace may make use of an electronic
ignition system...which appears to act as a spark gap to ignite the gas.
This can cause radio interference.
The ignitor (and hence the radio noise) should not stay on continuously,
should turn off after the gas is ignited. If it stays on, something is
wrong.
The heat anticipator may be bad. When the unit fires up the igniter should
cycle off in about 15 seconds.
Don't play with it unless you know your way around it.
The electrodes will burn down to the point where the spark can't jump the
gap.
Call in a qualified tech and have it cleaned,adjusted and the part repared
or replaced. Almost all the time they need to be replaced.
"Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141001540.350205.263560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>I have an American Standard gas furnace, a few years old. Whenever the
> thermostat calls for heat, it creates a lot of radio noise. It pretty
> much wipes out the entire AM radio band and causes other problems as
> well. Has anyone seen this and found a cure?
>
> Also are there any differences between Trane furnaces and American
> Standard furnaces? I see they are the same company. One technician is
> telling me they are the same, another says they are different.
>
> Can any Pros out there share any info?
> Model AUY080.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Marissa
>
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| Cooltemp Industries 2006-03-03, 1:21 am |
|
Jim M. wrote:
> The heat anticipator may be bad. When the unit fires up the igniter should
> cycle off in about 15 seconds.
LOL!! Priceless!!
| |
| Marissa 2006-03-04, 6:21 pm |
|
Marissa wrote:
> I have an American Standard gas furnace, a few years old. Whenever the
> thermostat calls for heat, it creates a lot of radio noise. It pretty
> much wipes out the entire AM radio band and causes other problems as
> well. Has anyone seen this and found a cure?
To those who understood my question and replied with useful
information, thank you very much! Especially Noon-Air and Taylor for
your emails and posts. Turns out the issue is in the exhaust inducer
motor and related circuitry wiring. American Standard's Trane division
is aware of problems and there is some sort of fix that the dealer
should be able to do. Seems that they have known there is a problem
for a while but haven't changed the design and only try to fix it if a
customer brings up the problem. Right now it is a manufacturer issue
and they will advise the dealer what to do. Just wanted to let
everyone know.
| |
| Marissa 2006-03-04, 6:21 pm |
|
Marissa wrote:
> I have an American Standard gas furnace, a few years old. Whenever the
> thermostat calls for heat, it creates a lot of radio noise. It pretty
> much wipes out the entire AM radio band and causes other problems as
> well. Has anyone seen this and found a cure?
To those who understood my question and replied with useful
information, thank you very much! Especially Noon-Air and Taylor for
your emails and posts. Turns out the issue is in the exhaust inducer
motor and related circuitry wiring. American Standard's Trane division
is aware of problems and there is some sort of fix that the dealer
should be able to do. Seems that they have known there is a problem
for a while but haven't changed the design and only try to fix it if a
customer brings up the problem. Right now it is a manufacturer issue
and they will advise the dealer what to do. Just wanted to let
everyone know.
Marissa
| |
|
| On 4 Mar 2006 13:56:28 -0800, "Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>Marissa wrote:
>
>To those who understood my question and replied with useful
>information, thank you very much! Especially Noon-Air and Taylor for
>your emails and posts. Turns out the issue is in the exhaust inducer
>motor and related circuitry wiring. American Standard's Trane division
>is aware of problems and there is some sort of fix that the dealer
>should be able to do. Seems that they have known there is a problem
>for a while but haven't changed the design and only try to fix it if a
>customer brings up the problem. Right now it is a manufacturer issue
>and they will advise the dealer what to do. Just wanted to let
>everyone know.
>
>Marissa
Thanks for letting us know, Marissa...............TWICE, in fact.
By the way, its old news. Most in here already knew that but it was
fun while it lasted.
Emails? Noon? (You suck up) :-)
Bubba
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| Noon-Air 2006-03-04, 8:21 pm |
|
"Bubba >" <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com> wrote in message
news:mh8k02prva1tf1k2gvl8vbncbtd1j0v5jl@4ax.com...
> On 4 Mar 2006 13:56:28 -0800, "Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for letting us know, Marissa...............TWICE, in fact.
> By the way, its old news. Most in here already knew that but it was
> fun while it lasted.
> Emails? Noon? (You suck up) :-)
> Bubba
Bubba,
You just need to buy a new E-mail Booster© :-)
--
Steve @ Noon-Air Heating & A/C
Noon-Air@comcast.net
Life is what happens while you were making other plans
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| Marissa 2006-03-04, 10:21 pm |
|
Bubba wrote:
> On 4 Mar 2006 13:56:28 -0800, "Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for letting us know, Marissa...............TWICE, in fact.
> By the way, its old news. Most in here already knew that but it was
> fun while it lasted.
No problem, Bubs. Apologies for two posts, the server appeared to hang
when posting. I'm glad you knew exactly what the problem was, after I
posted what the problem was. :-)
Glad I could help!
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| Oscar_Lives 2006-03-04, 10:21 pm |
|
"Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141521552.343784.38620@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> Bubba wrote:
>
> No problem, Bubs. Apologies for two posts, the server appeared to hang
> when posting. I'm glad you knew exactly what the problem was, after I
> posted what the problem was. :-)
> Glad I could help!
>
Post some pics of your hooters!
| |
| Bubba 2006-03-04, 10:21 pm |
| On 4 Mar 2006 17:19:12 -0800, "Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>Bubba wrote:
>
>No problem, Bubs. Apologies for two posts, the server appeared to hang
>when posting. I'm glad you knew exactly what the problem was, after I
>posted what the problem was. :-)
>Glad I could help!
Simple explaination sweetie. I get paid to fix problems like yours. If
I sat here and answered all those questions for free to all the
beggers like you I wouldnt need to hop in my truck everyday and go
meet people like you. Only prob is, I wouldnt have a home, internet
connection, computer, boat, Fla home, truck, food, clothes, private
school for the kids, college funds or anything else because Im sure
you arent going to fill my PayPal account for answering your silly
questions.
Catching on now, Honey?
Bubba
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| Marissa 2006-03-04, 10:21 pm |
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Bubba wrote:
> Simple explaination sweetie. I get paid to fix problems like yours. If
> I sat here and answered all those questions for free to all the
> beggers like you I wouldnt need to hop in my truck everyday and go
> meet people like you. Only prob is, I wouldnt have a home, internet
> connection, computer, boat, Fla home, truck, food, clothes, private
> school for the kids, college funds or anything else because Im sure
> you arent going to fill my PayPal account for answering your silly
> questions.
Hey again Bubs,
No need to take everything so personally, I didn't beg anything from
you. One minute you're saying that if the stupid homeowner knows
anything they'll blow themselves up. The next minute it's if the
homeowners know something they'll do everything so well that you'll be
out of a job and lose your clothes and boat, lol. With that kind of
flip-flopping, you'll make a great advisor to John Kerry someday after
that computer is repo'd. Somewhere I'm sure there's a country song just
for you. If your job status is so fragile that you do feel threatened
by someone else merely answering questions, than I feel sorry for you.
That is a shame because there is a need for truly competent people in
all trades, and the competent people don't need to worry even a bit
about an informed customer. It's a shame that you do. Fortunately
there are many others out there that do not.
But it's great you have so much time to explain often that you have
time to explain what you claim you know. I'm sure that of course you
really did know the answer to my question, lol! :-)
Have a good one and good luck!
PS. I think you meant to say beggar.
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| Oscar_Lives 2006-03-04, 10:21 pm |
|
"Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141523785.718261.104670@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Bubba wrote:
>
>
> Hey again Bubs,
>
> No need to take everything so personally, I didn't beg anything from
> you. One minute you're saying that if the stupid homeowner knows
> anything they'll blow themselves up. The next minute it's if the
> homeowners know something they'll do everything so well that you'll be
> out of a job and lose your clothes and boat, lol. With that kind of
> flip-flopping, you'll make a great advisor to John Kerry someday after
> that computer is repo'd. Somewhere I'm sure there's a country song just
> for you. If your job status is so fragile that you do feel threatened
> by someone else merely answering questions, than I feel sorry for you.
> That is a shame because there is a need for truly competent people in
> all trades, and the competent people don't need to worry even a bit
> about an informed customer. It's a shame that you do. Fortunately
> there are many others out there that do not.
>
> But it's great you have so much time to explain often that you have
> time to explain what you claim you know. I'm sure that of course you
> really did know the answer to my question, lol! :-)
>
> Have a good one and good luck!
>
> PS. I think you meant to say beggar.
>
Marissa, do you lick windows?
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| Bubba 2006-03-05, 10:21 am |
| On 4 Mar 2006 17:56:25 -0800, "Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>Bubba wrote:
>
>
>Hey again Bubs,
>
>No need to take everything so personally, I didn't beg anything from
>you. One minute you're saying that if the stupid homeowner knows
>anything they'll blow themselves up. The next minute it's if the
>homeowners know something they'll do everything so well that you'll be
>out of a job and lose your clothes and boat, lol. With that kind of
>flip-flopping, you'll make a great advisor to John Kerry someday after
>that computer is repo'd. Somewhere I'm sure there's a country song just
>for you. If your job status is so fragile that you do feel threatened
>by someone else merely answering questions, than I feel sorry for you.
>That is a shame because there is a need for truly competent people in
>all trades, and the competent people don't need to worry even a bit
>about an informed customer. It's a shame that you do. Fortunately
>there are many others out there that do not.
>
>But it's great you have so much time to explain often that you have
>time to explain what you claim you know. I'm sure that of course you
>really did know the answer to my question, lol! :-)
>
>Have a good one and good luck!
>
>PS. I think you meant to say beggar.
Ahhh the heck with all that explaination and crap I just wasted my
time on. What I really meant to say was:
Shut your pie hole and show me your damn tits.
Bubba
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| Taylor Morrison 2006-03-05, 1:21 pm |
| "Bubba <" wrote:
>
> Ahhh the heck with all that explaination and crap I just wasted my
> time on.
Yeah you got put in your place pretty good. LoL
> What I really meant to say was:
> Shut your pie hole and show me your damn tits.
Another Professional speaks!
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| Taylor Morrison 2006-03-05, 1:21 pm |
| Cooltemp Industries wrote:
> Taylor Morrison wrote:
>
>
> Taylor. I'll make it real simple for you.
> First, it's a credit to your character that you enjoy helping others.
> However, there are several reasons why MOST of us in here ( not all) do
> not dispense information to home owners. One reason being simple
> economics. That's right, the almighty dollar. We make a living by fixing
> peoples HVAC systems. Putting food on the table, buying clothes for our
> kids, paying our hydro and gas bills, our property taxes, car and truck
> repairs, all of this comes into play when telling Joe Public how to fix
> his own furnace. Call me greedy, but I like to have money in my wallet.
> Some will argue that, for instance, Joe Public with the fan problem
> doesn't live anywhere near me, so I wouldn't have seen a dollar from his
> problem anyway. The fact is, it's nullifying a potential service call of
> some tech out there, if not me. Next time it very well could be me. One
> must also consider all the other homeowners who will read these posts
> and attempt to fix their own furnaces.
>
> More importantly though, there are the inherent safety considerations
> that go along with with do-it-yourself repairs. This guy with the fan
> problem that you're so eager to help, and so quick to slam us for NOT
> helping, is now going to attempt to tamper with a safety feature of his
> furnace. It's a fan AND a HIGH TEMPERATURE LIMIT.
> Will he properly replace the limit wires with attention made to the
> wires not fusing together at a later date due to overheating or
> chaffing, thereby bypassing his guard against a fire caused by
> over-heating? Will he replace the limit with one that has the same
> penetration, the same operating characteristics.
> Will he spot a potentially deadly fault that caused his fan/limit to
> malfunction in the first place?(I'm not going to tell you what that is).
> Will he spot other safety considerations that could cause him harm while
> working on his fan/limit, that a trained tech knows to look for, and
> that have nothing to do with his fan/limit?
> I had a customer replace his own t/couple, one he bought a hardware store.
> Real simple, right, Taylor? Harmless, right buddy? A monkey could do it!
> Except the monkey didn't know that afterwards, the burners weren't
> properly aligned with the pilot assembly, which caused a delayed
> ignition, which caused his basement to catch on fire. However, his
> insurance company did know, after the fire marshall told them.
> What may seem like a quick and easy fix to you, is often interlaced with
> other, more potentially harmful consequences. Remember that childhood
> song about the foot bone being connected to the leg bone, the leg bone
> connected to the knee bone, and so on...same analogy here.
> There are reasons why we don't tell DIY's how to fix their own equipment.
> There are reasons why we are required to be licensed and insured.
> Think twice before you offer up what you consider to be "free and
> helpful advice".
Cooltemp, I respectfully disagree. A good technician has nothing to fear from
information passing back and forth. Everything else equal, it's more
pleasurable to deal with an informed customer. You mentioned that you fear a
homeowners who learns about his system is a threat to a potential service call
(homeowner CAN do it!), but you also say that it is about safety (homeowner
CAN'T do it!. There are lots of things almost anyone can do (replace a filter,
replace a humidifier pad), many things that many people can do (replace a
thermostat properly), and some things that only experts who do it everyday
should do (mess with a/c refrigerant, gas lines, etc.) I once had a customer
who was a Cal tech electrical engineering type. He didn't need to be told how
the electronics worked or how to wire a thermostat! To put it another way,
there a lot of places on the Internet to find high quality, useful, medical
advice. I know of cases where that has helped local rural community doctors
who weren't up to speed on cases usually only handled by specialists in the
big teaching hospitals. So yes I do think twice. I don't worry about someone
getting smarter about their furnace because of a newsgroup post any more than
I worry about someone performing angioplasty on himself because he read about
how it's done on the Internet, or a journal, or whatever. Best wishes.
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| On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 12:00:01 -0500, Taylor Morrison
<taylor@a.spam.free> wrote:
>Cooltemp Industries wrote:
>
>
>
>Cooltemp, I respectfully disagree. A good technician has nothing to fear from
>information passing back and forth. Everything else equal, it's more
>pleasurable to deal with an informed customer. You mentioned that you fear a
>homeowners who learns about his system is a threat to a potential service call
>(homeowner CAN do it!), but you also say that it is about safety (homeowner
>CAN'T do it!. There are lots of things almost anyone can do (replace a filter,
>replace a humidifier pad), many things that many people can do (replace a
>thermostat properly), and some things that only experts who do it everyday
>should do (mess with a/c refrigerant, gas lines, etc.) I once had a customer
>who was a Cal tech electrical engineering type. He didn't need to be told how
>the electronics worked or how to wire a thermostat! To put it another way,
>there a lot of places on the Internet to find high quality, useful, medical
>advice. I know of cases where that has helped local rural community doctors
>who weren't up to speed on cases usually only handled by specialists in the
>big teaching hospitals. So yes I do think twice. I don't worry about someone
>getting smarter about their furnace because of a newsgroup post any more than
>I worry about someone performing angioplasty on himself because he read about
>how it's done on the Internet, or a journal, or whatever. Best wishes.
Taylor,
You'll figure it out when you dispense some information that a
customer mis-interprets and gets hurt badly or even kills someone.
They will then find who you are and you will get to deal with the fall
out. It doesnt really matter though. You wont get it. If that so is to
your liking, Have a Wonderful Time.
The world needs a few more idiots like you.
Bubba
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| Taylor Morrison 2006-03-05, 6:21 pm |
| "Bubba <" wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 12:00:01 -0500, Taylor Morrison
> <taylor@a.spam.free> wrote:
>
>
> Taylor,
> You'll figure it out when you dispense some information that a
> customer mis-interprets and gets hurt badly or even kills someone.
> They will then find who you are and you will get to deal with the fall
> out.
Uh huh. By your reasoning, all information anywhere should be banned, because
someone might "mis-interpret" it. Good luck! So any luck banning HVAC books at
your local library? Personally, I think webMD is even more dangerous! Someone
might try to perform LASIK on themselves! Shut them down now!
> It doesnt really matter though. You wont get it.
Yeah, you forgot to tell me to change a thermostat!
> If that so is to
> your liking, Have a Wonderful Time.
> The world needs a few more idiots like you.
LoL! Thanks for the chuckle.
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| Taylor Morrison 2006-03-05, 6:21 pm |
| PrecisionMechanical wrote:
> "Marissa" <marissa_ubert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1141001540.350205.263560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> http://www.radioing.com/eengineer/d...ts/fccbook.html
>
>
> Yes, they're different....
>
Yeah different as in the residential marketing names are different, and one
has model numbers that begin with an A, and the other's begin with a T. Oh
yeah, some Trane compressor units have a unique top that the A-S brand
doesn't have.
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| Taylor Morrison 2006-03-05, 11:21 pm |
| "Bubba " wrote:
> You'll figure it out when you dispense some information that a
> customer mis-interprets and gets hurt badly or even kills someone.
> They will then find who you are and you will get to deal with the fall
> out. It doesnt really matter though. You wont get it. If that so is to
> your liking, Have a Wonderful Time.
> The world needs a few more idiots like you.
> That thermostat with a Nordyne system needs a DPDT relay added.
>
> Connect R and W to the coil terminals on the new DPDT relay.
> Connect wire from R on the unit to one of the open terminals on the
> relay. Connect the C terminal on unit to the other open terminal on
> the relay. Run a Y wire to the closed set of contacts on the relay and
> finally, bring a W2 wire from the new stat to the remaining closed
> contact on the wire. You may also need a resistor added to the C and W
> terminals on your circuit board but try it without first. You might
> also have to get a new Honeywell Vision Pro stat to be compatible with
> your Nordyne. You have to watch those stats. Its almost always the
> stat. They also make @StatWireBooster relays to help keep the low
> voltage signal up in the system.
>
Yeah, Bubbles you only have everyone's safety and well being in mind as you give
crap advice while calling others idiots, LoL. Glad to see that you can be real
funny, even if you have to work so hard for it!
And you can save your new meat references for your rest stop encounters, I don't
play for that team. Have a great day, Bubbles!
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| ~^Johnny^~ 2006-03-17, 3:21 am |
| On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 16:37:03 -0500, Taylor Morrison
<taylor@a.spam.free> wrote:
>Yeah, you forgot to tell me to change a thermostat!
Less heat, please.
--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info
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