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| Geetings to all.
Does anyone have experience with what might be causing sooting in a power
vented Bradford White water heater. (40 gal) My understanding is that if
there is insufficient air then the flame will burn yellow and cause carbon
to build up. The power venter on the top seems to be drawing sufficient
dilution air through the openings indicating that there should be sufficient
combustion air flow into the bottom of the appliance. The burner has been
replaced once and upon inspection of the flame, there is some yellow flame
in the center of the burner. The burner is a steel non adjustable burner. I
think the flame should be ALL blue? Could the regulator be set incorectly
such that the burner is overwhelmed with fuel? Also I suppose that the
center passage has turbulators in it that could be plugged perhaps. I would
like to narrow the problem down to just a few causes. I have been asked to
submit a report on the cause of the sooting to a claims adjuster and any
professional advice is appreciated.
Thank you in advance.
Kevin
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-02-28, 8:21 pm |
| On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:10:06 -0500, "Kevin" <not@here.com> wrote:
>Geetings to all.
>
>Does anyone have experience with what might be causing sooting in a power
alt.home.repair, not here
>vented Bradford White water heater. (40 gal) My understanding is that if
>there is insufficient air then the flame will burn yellow and cause carbon
>to build up. The power venter on the top seems to be drawing sufficient
>dilution air through the openings indicating that there should be sufficient
>combustion air flow into the bottom of the appliance. The burner has been
>replaced once and upon inspection of the flame, there is some yellow flame
>in the center of the burner. The burner is a steel non adjustable burner. I
>think the flame should be ALL blue? Could the regulator be set incorectly
>such that the burner is overwhelmed with fuel? Also I suppose that the
>center passage has turbulators in it that could be plugged perhaps. I would
>like to narrow the problem down to just a few causes. I have been asked to
>submit a report on the cause of the sooting to a claims adjuster and any
>professional advice is appreciated.
>
>Thank you in advance.
>
>Kevin
>
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| Noon-Air 2006-02-28, 8:21 pm |
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"Kevin" <not@here.com> wrote in message
news:9tednXkn5rvRRZnZRVn-vQ@tbaytel.net...
> Geetings to all.
>
> Does anyone have experience with what might be causing sooting in a power
> vented Bradford White water heater. (40 gal) My understanding is that if
> there is insufficient air then the flame will burn yellow and cause carbon
> to build up. The power venter on the top seems to be drawing sufficient
> dilution air through the openings indicating that there should be
> sufficient combustion air flow into the bottom of the appliance. The
> burner has been replaced once and upon inspection of the flame, there is
> some yellow flame in the center of the burner. The burner is a steel non
> adjustable burner. I think the flame should be ALL blue? Could the
> regulator be set incorectly such that the burner is overwhelmed with fuel?
> Also I suppose that the center passage has turbulators in it that could be
> plugged perhaps. I would like to narrow the problem down to just a few
> causes. I have been asked to submit a report on the cause of the sooting
> to a claims adjuster and any professional advice is appreciated.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Kevin
Maybe if your were to call a local pro??? Much as I would like to, I still
can't *see* the problem through the computer screen
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-02-28, 8:21 pm |
| On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:10:06 -0500, "Kevin" <not@here.com> wrote:
>Geetings to all.
>
>Does anyone have experience with what might be causing sooting in a power
>vented Bradford White water heater. (40 gal) My understanding is that if
>there is insufficient air then the flame will burn yellow and cause carbon
>to build up. The power venter on the top seems to be drawing sufficient
>dilution air through the openings indicating that there should be sufficient
>combustion air flow into the bottom of the appliance. The burner has been
>replaced once and upon inspection of the flame, there is some yellow flame
>in the center of the burner. The burner is a steel non adjustable burner. I
>think the flame should be ALL blue? Could the regulator be set incorectly
>such that the burner is overwhelmed with fuel? Also I suppose that the
>center passage has turbulators in it that could be plugged perhaps. I would
>like to narrow the problem down to just a few causes. I have been asked to
>submit a report on the cause of the sooting to a claims adjuster and any
>professional advice is appreciated.
Then fucking go pay for some, instead of asking for free shit
on the Internet.
>
>Thank you in advance.
>
>Kevin
>
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'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
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| On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:10:06 -0500, "Kevin" <not@here.com> wrote:
>I think the flame should be ALL blue?
You don't know what color it should be. Not a bad/shameful thing,
you just do not have this knowledge.
> Could the regulator be set incorrectly such that the burner is overwhelmed with fuel?
Maybe or maybe not. It should be diagnosed, not guessed at.
>I would like to narrow the problem down to just a few causes.
I feel the same way when I have a chest pain.
>I have been asked to submit a report on the cause of the sooting to a claims adjuster .....
You mean submit the report left with you by a qualified repair
person. You can _NOT_ fill out a report on the cause of a problem if
you do not have the knowledge.
If a claims adjuster wants a report on the cause of an equipment
failure that's fine.
I don't think he wants a report by you. If he is, then he has no
knowledge of claims adjustment.
-zero
>Kevin
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| Bubba 2006-02-28, 10:21 pm |
| On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:10:06 -0500, "Kevin" <not@here.com> wrote:
>Geetings to all.
>
>Does anyone have experience with what might be causing sooting in a power
>vented Bradford White water heater. (40 gal) My understanding is that if
>there is insufficient air then the flame will burn yellow and cause carbon
>to build up. The power venter on the top seems to be drawing sufficient
>dilution air through the openings indicating that there should be sufficient
>combustion air flow into the bottom of the appliance. The burner has been
>replaced once and upon inspection of the flame, there is some yellow flame
>in the center of the burner. The burner is a steel non adjustable burner. I
>think the flame should be ALL blue? Could the regulator be set incorectly
>such that the burner is overwhelmed with fuel? Also I suppose that the
>center passage has turbulators in it that could be plugged perhaps. I would
>like to narrow the problem down to just a few causes. I have been asked to
>submit a report on the cause of the sooting to a claims adjuster and any
>professional advice is appreciated.
>
>Thank you in advance.
>
>Kevin
>
Sounds like you are trying to "hose" the insurance company and dont
want to screw up the wording on the forged invoice you are trying to
turn in. Must suck to be as stupid as you.
Hope you get caught.
Bubba
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"Kevin" <not@here.com> wrote in message
news:9tednXkn5rvRRZnZRVn-vQ@tbaytel.net...
> Geetings to all.
>
> Does anyone have experience with what might be causing sooting in a power
> vented Bradford White water heater. (40 gal) My understanding is that if
> there is insufficient air then the flame will burn yellow and cause carbon
> to build up. The power venter on the top seems to be drawing sufficient
> dilution air through the openings indicating that there should be
> sufficient combustion air flow into the bottom of the appliance. The
> burner has been replaced once and upon inspection of the flame, there is
> some yellow flame in the center of the burner. The burner is a steel non
> adjustable burner. I think the flame should be ALL blue? Could the
> regulator be set incorectly such that the burner is overwhelmed with fuel?
> Also I suppose that the center passage has turbulators in it that could be
> plugged perhaps. I would like to narrow the problem down to just a few
> causes. I have been asked to submit a report on the cause of the sooting
> to a claims adjuster and any professional advice is appreciated.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Kevin
You guys are the best.
Kevin
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| Raines 2006-03-09, 1:21 am |
| <.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:10:06 -0500, "Kevin" <not@here.com> wrote:
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> alt.home.repair, not here
Who says hes trying to repair anything himself moron?
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| Raines 2006-03-09, 1:21 am |
| Kevin..you are going to get some in here that have come to the harsh
realization that most of this stuff can be done without calling a "pro". It
hurts them to no end to know they are in a profession that most aspects of
it with just a little research doesn't take much brainpower (no offense to
the real techs in here that really do know their stuff).
It just pisses them off to know an average Joe can do what they can do. Its
an emasculation thing.
"Kevin" <not@here.com> wrote in message
news:9tednXkn5rvRRZnZRVn-vQ@tbaytel.net...
> Geetings to all.
>
> Does anyone have experience with what might be causing sooting in a power
> vented Bradford White water heater. (40 gal) My understanding is that if
> there is insufficient air then the flame will burn yellow and cause carbon
> to build up. The power venter on the top seems to be drawing sufficient
> dilution air through the openings indicating that there should be
> sufficient combustion air flow into the bottom of the appliance. The
> burner has been replaced once and upon inspection of the flame, there is
> some yellow flame in the center of the burner. The burner is a steel non
> adjustable burner. I think the flame should be ALL blue? Could the
> regulator be set incorectly such that the burner is overwhelmed with fuel?
> Also I suppose that the center passage has turbulators in it that could be
> plugged perhaps. I would like to narrow the problem down to just a few
> causes. I have been asked to submit a report on the cause of the sooting
> to a claims adjuster and any professional advice is appreciated.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Kevin
>
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| Noon-Air 2006-03-09, 10:21 am |
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"Raines" <nunya@business.com> wrote in message
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> Kevin..you are going to get some in here that have come to the harsh
> realization that most of this stuff can be done without calling a "pro".
> It hurts them to no end to know they are in a profession that most aspects
> of it with just a little research doesn't take much brainpower (no offense
> to the real techs in here that really do know their stuff).
>
> It just pisses them off to know an average Joe can do what they can do.
> Its an emasculation thing.
Actually its all about liability, along with not knowing what the
installation is, where it is, what equipment, the home-owners capabilities,
the home-owners available tools and equipment, then there is the common
sense factor.
Some of the posters that come here may very well be able to do their own
repairs, however, *most* can be posthumously be given Darwin Awards from
screwing with stuff that is far beyond their comprehension.
Can *you* tell which ones are which through a computer screen?? Do *you*
want to assume the liability for the posters life, limb, and/or property
when he screws up something you told him to do??
I personnaly don't want to assume that kind of liability or responsibility.
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| Nathan W. Collier 2006-03-09, 11:21 am |
| "Noon-Air" <Noon-Air@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I personnaly don't want to assume that kind of liability or
> responsibility.
you seem reasonable, but in addition to some good thechs there is an
undeniable "prick-factor" in here who act just as raines suggests. i
wouldnt attempt my own surgery, but this wouldnt stop me from calling an
on-call nurse line to get some education on what my problem might be based
on my symptoms.
.......er, i would call an on-call nurse line if i didnt have my own RN at
home that is. :-)
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http://BighornRefrigeration.com
http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
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| Cooltemp Industries 2006-03-09, 12:21 pm |
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Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> ......er, i would call an on-call nurse line if i didnt have my own RN at
> home that is. :-)
Nice!
Gotta love those RN's!
You know what they say..."Can't get a date, get a nurse!" :-)
I had one years ago.
Let's just say she knew where all the body parts were, and knew what to
do with them!
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| On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 07:49:41 -0700, "Nathan W. Collier"
<Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>"Noon-Air" <Noon-Air@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>you seem reasonable, but in addition to some good thechs there is an
>undeniable "prick-factor" in here who act just as raines suggests. i
>wouldnt attempt my own surgery, but this wouldnt stop me from calling an
>on-call nurse line to get some education on what my problem might be based
>on my symptoms.
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>......er, i would call an on-call nurse line if i didnt have my own RN at
>home that is. :-)
Nathan,
"Blow-up" nurses dont count.
Bubba
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-03-09, 7:21 pm |
| On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 22:49:41 GMT, Bubba <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com>>
wrote:
>On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 07:49:41 -0700, "Nathan W. Collier"
><Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote:
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>Nathan,
>"Blow-up" nurses dont count.
>Bubba
How could they ? No fingers !
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'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
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Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
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| CAVHBC 2006-03-09, 8:21 pm |
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"Bubba >" <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 07:49:41 -0700, "Nathan W. Collier"
> <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote:
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> Nathan,
> "Blow-up" nurses dont count.
> Bubba
LOL...man...his wife is an RN, and shes kinda...umm...HOT.
Even at 3am...LOL....
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| PrecisionMechanical 2006-03-10, 3:21 am |
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<.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 22:49:41 GMT, Bubba <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com>>
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> How could they ? No fingers !
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Really ???
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-03-10, 11:22 am |
| On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 22:44:39 -0800, "PrecisionMechanical"
<precisionmachinist@hotmail.com> wrote:
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><.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
>news:ljc112dt5ru48s7s64bjtfup7i7ql5jjr3@4ax.com...
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>Really ???
Oh, like you didn't know !
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Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
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| CAVHBC 2006-03-10, 1:24 pm |
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"Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
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> "CAVHBC" <biteme@fuckoff.com> wrote in message
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> :-)
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> we need another night out like that. im taking a 2 week vacation in june,
> will be in north carolina visiting friends/family if you wanna go see how
> many bars we can get thrown out of (again). :-)
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LOL!
Sure...marking calender now...lets see....june..oh..ok..here we go...get
thrown out of bar for no real reason by a long haired chinese looking guy
that thinks hes the next chuck norris....
OK..marked.
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://InlineDiesel.com
> http://BighornRefrigeration.com
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
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| On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 22:44:39 -0800, "PrecisionMechanical"
<precisionmachinist@hotmail.com> wrote:
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><.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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>Really ???
Well he is the expert.
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| PrecisionMechanicaL 2006-03-11, 5:21 am |
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"ftwhd" <U.A.Star@home.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 22:44:39 -0800, "PrecisionMechanical"
> <precisionmachinist@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Well he is the expert.
Seriously, I hadnt a clue.......
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