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Propane powered buffer in a store, Adequate Vantelation?
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| Stompy 2006-03-12, 10:21 pm |
| Hello,
I have a concern about ventalation in a retail store that was built in
the past two years. I went to visit my girlfriend at work the other
day, when I walked in the building I felt like I was walking into a
wall there was definiately a lack of oxegen in the store. A maintence
contracted person was buffing the floor with a propane powered floor
buffer.
The cubic volume of the store is 161,000 cubic feet (4560 cubic meters)
this includes the stock room in the back but most of the volume is the
retail floor. The ceiling is about 15 feet up with suspended acroustic
tile, the are 40 vents and about 12 return grilles.
Based on the engine displacement and rpm the buffer produces 1.5 cubic
meters of exaust (53 cubic feet), and the average Carbon Monoxide
output for a properly opperating propane fueled small engine is about 3
ppm, so that works out to 4.5 cc CO put out by the motor per minute
presuming the buffer is well maintained, but it looks like and old well
used machine. There are no CO monitors in the store!
Before I raise a fuss I would like to educate myself and get my facts
straight. Do modern roof top HVAC introduce fresh air, and if they do
how quickly? If they just recirculate how does fresh air get
introduced? I am in Ontario Canada, isn't there some kind of regulation
on using and maitaing these buffers to ensure peoples safety? How can I
tell what is safe and what is not? All the staff are there before the
floor is buffed and don't realize how the air quality deteriates, but
coming in from out side it is obvious.
I am seriously concerned about her and her co-workers safety, even if
CO is not a problem how can the oxegen level be evaluated?
The machine will be used again this wednesday so any propmt replies
will be most eagerly welcomed.
Stompy.
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-03-12, 10:21 pm |
| On 12 Mar 2006 17:45:24 -0800, "Stompy" <S_T_O_M_P_Y@hotmail.com>
wrote:
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>I am seriously concerned about her and her co-workers safety, even if
>CO is not a problem how can the oxegen level be evaluated?
Buy a canary ......
>
>The machine will be used again this wednesday so any propmt replies
>will be most eagerly welcomed.
Fucking go away with this bullshit.
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>
>Stompy.
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| Shake-Hull 2006-03-12, 10:21 pm |
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"Stompy" <S_T_O_M_P_Y@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142214324.060434.216540@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Hello,
>
> I have a concern about ventalation in a retail store that was built in
> the past two years. I went to visit my girlfriend at work the other
> day, when I walked in the building I felt like I was walking into a
> wall there was definiately a lack of oxegen in the store. A maintence
> contracted person was buffing the floor with a propane powered floor
> buffer.
>
> The cubic volume of the store is 161,000 cubic feet (4560 cubic meters)
> this includes the stock room in the back but most of the volume is the
> retail floor. The ceiling is about 15 feet up with suspended acroustic
> tile, the are 40 vents and about 12 return grilles.
>
> Based on the engine displacement and rpm the buffer produces 1.5 cubic
> meters of exaust (53 cubic feet), and the average Carbon Monoxide
> output for a properly opperating propane fueled small engine is about 3
> ppm, so that works out to 4.5 cc CO put out by the motor per minute
> presuming the buffer is well maintained, but it looks like and old well
> used machine. There are no CO monitors in the store!
>
> Before I raise a fuss I would like to educate myself and get my facts
> straight. Do modern roof top HVAC introduce fresh air, and if they do
> how quickly? If they just recirculate how does fresh air get
> introduced? I am in Ontario Canada, isn't there some kind of regulation
> on using and maitaing these buffers to ensure peoples safety? How can I
> tell what is safe and what is not? All the staff are there before the
> floor is buffed and don't realize how the air quality deteriates, but
> coming in from out side it is obvious.
>
> I am seriously concerned about her and her co-workers safety, even if
> CO is not a problem how can the oxegen level be evaluated?
>
> The machine will be used again this wednesday so any propmt replies
> will be most eagerly welcomed.
>
>
> Stompy.
>Call the MOL and TSSA they will help you out.
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| Bubba 2006-03-12, 11:21 pm |
| On 12 Mar 2006 17:45:24 -0800, "Stompy" <S_T_O_M_P_Y@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I have a concern about ventalation in a retail store that was built in
>the past two years. I went to visit my girlfriend at work the other
>day, when I walked in the building I felt like I was walking into a
>wall there was definiately a lack of oxegen in the store. A maintence
>contracted person was buffing the floor with a propane powered floor
>buffer.
>
>The cubic volume of the store is 161,000 cubic feet (4560 cubic meters)
>this includes the stock room in the back but most of the volume is the
>retail floor. The ceiling is about 15 feet up with suspended acroustic
>tile, the are 40 vents and about 12 return grilles.
>
>Based on the engine displacement and rpm the buffer produces 1.5 cubic
>meters of exaust (53 cubic feet), and the average Carbon Monoxide
>output for a properly opperating propane fueled small engine is about 3
>ppm, so that works out to 4.5 cc CO put out by the motor per minute
>presuming the buffer is well maintained, but it looks like and old well
>used machine. There are no CO monitors in the store!
>
>Before I raise a fuss I would like to educate myself and get my facts
>straight. Do modern roof top HVAC introduce fresh air, and if they do
>how quickly? If they just recirculate how does fresh air get
>introduced? I am in Ontario Canada, isn't there some kind of regulation
>on using and maitaing these buffers to ensure peoples safety? How can I
>tell what is safe and what is not? All the staff are there before the
>floor is buffed and don't realize how the air quality deteriates, but
>coming in from out side it is obvious.
>
>I am seriously concerned about her and her co-workers safety, even if
>CO is not a problem how can the oxegen level be evaluated?
>
>The machine will be used again this wednesday so any propmt replies
>will be most eagerly welcomed.
>
>
>Stompy.
Hopefully, and with any luck, when Wednesday rolls around you will be
crossing the street to head to your girlfriends store and you will be
run over by the biggest heaviest fucking truck imaginable. That should
cure the problem.
By the way............How big are your girlfriends boobs?
Bubba
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| Mo Hoaner 2006-03-13, 12:21 am |
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"Bubba >" <<ReMoVe likealake@iname.com> wrote in message
news:vkm9125eog965lphp1r0vhbnogo8rq3bnc@4ax.com...
> On 12 Mar 2006 17:45:24 -0800, "Stompy" <S_T_O_M_P_Y@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hopefully, and with any luck, when Wednesday rolls around you will be
> crossing the street to head to your girlfriends store and you will be
> run over by the biggest heaviest fucking truck imaginable. That should
> cure the problem.
> By the way............How big are your girlfriends boobs?
> Bubba
Here she is. I found a picture of the happy couple. http://tinyurl.com/nhprc
Amazing what a little CO might do for you.
I suppose that you can't use Internet search engines in Cananada, eh?
Otherwise you might have found this gem right from your oil cartel.
http://www.psc.ca/safety_info/safet...on_monoxide.htm
BTW: Did you do that?
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| Tom Williams 2006-03-13, 12:21 am |
| Bubba < wrote:
> On 12 Mar 2006 17:45:24 -0800, "Stompy" <S_T_O_M_P_Y@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hopefully, and with any luck, when Wednesday rolls around you will be
> crossing the street to head to your girlfriends store and you will be
> run over by the biggest heaviest fucking truck imaginable. That should
> cure the problem.
> By the way............How big are your girlfriends boobs?
Almost as big as yours, I'll bet.
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| Tom Williams 2006-03-13, 12:21 am |
| ..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> On 12 Mar 2006 17:45:24 -0800, "Stompy" <S_T_O_M_P_Y@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Buy a canary ......
>
>
>
>
> Fucking go away with this bullshit.
Lookout! Pjm aka Paul Miller is getting angry! He's going to.....write
more prose on the Internet, snigger.
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| Oscar_Lives 2006-03-13, 12:21 am |
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"Stompy" <S_T_O_M_P_Y@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142214324.060434.216540@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Hello,
>
> I have a concern about ventalation in a retail store that was built in
> the past two years. I went to visit my girlfriend at work the other
> day, when I walked in the building I felt like I was walking into a
> wall there was definiately a lack of oxegen in the store. A maintence
> contracted person was buffing the floor with a propane powered floor
> buffer.
>
> The cubic volume of the store is 161,000 cubic feet (4560 cubic meters)
> this includes the stock room in the back but most of the volume is the
> retail floor. The ceiling is about 15 feet up with suspended acroustic
> tile, the are 40 vents and about 12 return grilles.
>
> Based on the engine displacement and rpm the buffer produces 1.5 cubic
> meters of exaust (53 cubic feet), and the average Carbon Monoxide
> output for a properly opperating propane fueled small engine is about 3
> ppm, so that works out to 4.5 cc CO put out by the motor per minute
> presuming the buffer is well maintained, but it looks like and old well
> used machine. There are no CO monitors in the store!
>
> Before I raise a fuss I would like to educate myself and get my facts
> straight. Do modern roof top HVAC introduce fresh air, and if they do
> how quickly? If they just recirculate how does fresh air get
> introduced? I am in Ontario Canada, isn't there some kind of regulation
> on using and maitaing these buffers to ensure peoples safety? How can I
> tell what is safe and what is not? All the staff are there before the
> floor is buffed and don't realize how the air quality deteriates, but
> coming in from out side it is obvious.
>
> I am seriously concerned about her and her co-workers safety, even if
> CO is not a problem how can the oxegen level be evaluated?
>
> The machine will be used again this wednesday so any propmt replies
> will be most eagerly welcomed.
>
>
> Stompy.
Simple fix: You need the remote exhaust kit installed on the buffer. This
is basically a thinwall flexible silicone tube that vents to a window. They
are not real expensive. Check the buffer manufacturer for the
price/ordering info. They are very simple to install with basic hand tools
(screwdriver, knife, etc.).
I'm surprised they don't have the exhaust kit installed. Usually an OSHA
requirement whenever operated indoors.
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| Mo Hoaner 2006-03-13, 12:21 am |
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"Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> "Stompy" <S_T_O_M_P_Y@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1142214324.060434.216540@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> Simple fix: You need the remote exhaust kit installed on the buffer.
> This is basically a thinwall flexible silicone tube that vents to a
> window. They are not real expensive. Check the buffer manufacturer for
> the price/ordering info. They are very simple to install with basic hand
> tools (screwdriver, knife, etc.).
>
> I'm surprised they don't have the exhaust kit installed. Usually an OSHA
> requirement whenever operated indoors.
They're in Canada. There's no OSHA office in that state yet.
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| Oscar_Lives 2006-03-13, 12:21 am |
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"Mo Hoaner" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
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> "Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:t%5Rf.22228$oL.15791@attbi_s71...
> They're in Canada. There's no OSHA office in that state yet.
Good point.
However, I hear that Ontario is the 51st state...
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| .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com 2006-03-13, 1:21 am |
| On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 22:57:40 -0500, "Mo Hoaner" <spam@uce.gov> wrote:
>
>"Oscar_Lives" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
>news:t%5Rf.22228$oL.15791@attbi_s71...
>They're in Canada. There's no OSHA office in that state yet.
>
It's what a drunk Canadian sounds like when he tries to say
'Oh, sure, have another' :-)
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'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
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| B-Hate-Me 2006-03-13, 1:21 pm |
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"Stompy" <S_T_O_M_P_Y@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142214324.060434.216540@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Hello,
>
> I have a concern about ventalation in a retail store that was built in
> the past two years. I went to visit my girlfriend at work the other
> day, when I walked in the building I felt like I was walking into a
> wall there was definiately a lack of oxegen in the store. A maintence
> contracted person was buffing the floor with a propane powered floor
> buffer.
You sound like an officious prick.
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| triadcm@hotmail.com 2006-03-13, 3:21 pm |
| You and Bulbar are such easy targets for ridicule. WTF happened to you as
children? Mom and Dad a little hard on you?
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| triadcm@hotmail.com wrote:
> You and Bulbar are such easy targets for ridicule. WTF happened to
> you as children? Mom and Dad a little hard on you?
Their mom and dad probably used a propane buffer in the house ;)
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| PrecisionMechanicaL 2006-03-14, 1:21 am |
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<triadcm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> hard on you?
Suggest lay off a bit on the fuckin Viagra, dude.....
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SVL
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