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| rmeadows3@socal.rr.com 2005-10-21, 12:21 am |
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I'm adding on to an existing. My wife's master bedroom is going to be
next to my music studio. The addition consists of a floor with a
raised foundation of 18" space in the living quarters. The music
studio will be on a 6" slab. I intend on building a studio within the
shell of the addition to accomadate proper sound proofing needs. I
wish to use the concrete floor in the studio rather than carpet or
wood, with metal studs to create the room with-in a room.
Question: Being the living quarters is on a raised foundation and the
studio on a 6' slab, will sound be transmitted to my wife's master?
Rick Meadows
Bass Players Drink Bass and Homebrew
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| Noral Stewart 2005-10-21, 8:21 am |
| This would be a better question for alt.sci.physics.acoustics.
Sound will always be transmitted. The issue is how much.
Your description is not totally clear. You do not want a continuous
concrete slab floor between the two adjacent spaces. You will need to
either break the floor slab or float a floor in at least one of the spaces.
<rmeadows3@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I'm adding on to an existing. My wife's master bedroom is going to be
> next to my music studio. The addition consists of a floor with a
> raised foundation of 18" space in the living quarters. The music
> studio will be on a 6" slab. I intend on building a studio within the
> shell of the addition to accomadate proper sound proofing needs. I
> wish to use the concrete floor in the studio rather than carpet or
> wood, with metal studs to create the room with-in a room.
>
> Question: Being the living quarters is on a raised foundation and the
> studio on a 6' slab, will sound be transmitted to my wife's master?
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> Rick Meadows
> Bass Players Drink Bass and Homebrew
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| Pierre Levesque, AIA 2005-10-21, 11:21 am |
| > Question: Being the living quarters is on a raised foundation and the
> studio on a 6' slab, will sound be transmitted to my wife's master?
Sounds like a question better posed to your shrink but my professional and
expert opinion is... only when she's in a bad mood... or a good mood
depending on how you read the question ;^)
<rmeadows3@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I'm adding on to an existing. My wife's master bedroom is going to be
> next to my music studio. The addition consists of a floor with a
> raised foundation of 18" space in the living quarters. The music
> studio will be on a 6" slab. I intend on building a studio within the
> shell of the addition to accomadate proper sound proofing needs. I
> wish to use the concrete floor in the studio rather than carpet or
> wood, with metal studs to create the room with-in a room.
>
> Question: Being the living quarters is on a raised foundation and the
> studio on a 6' slab, will sound be transmitted to my wife's master?
>
> Rick Meadows
> Bass Players Drink Bass and Homebrew
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| OK, here's the deal.
In my last house I built an office INSIDE my 2 car garage, at the rear of
it.
This office shared a common wall with the living area of the house.
In my office I play guitar, toonz, bass, keyboards and anything else I want,
all at enormously high volumns.
In my last house my wife rode my XXX all the time because the sound would
transfer into the house.
So....
In my new house I built my office with a FOUR FOOT sonic break.
The office shares no walls with the main house and the floors are at
different levels.
Further, I sheathed my office in 3/4" plywood and 1/2" drywall on both sides
of the studs and filled the cavities with batt insulation.
I regularly exceed 130db here in the office and after 3 years have not had 1
complaint from my wife.
Ahhhhh....... I like a peaceful household.
In my next house I expect to increase that sonic break to about 200' or
more. ;-)
"Pierre Levesque, AIA" <pierrelevesqueNOSPAM@connarch.com> wrote in message
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> Sounds like a question better posed to your shrink but my professional and
> expert opinion is... only when she's in a bad mood... or a good mood
> depending on how you read the question ;^)
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> <rmeadows3@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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Don wrote:
> OK, here's the deal.
> In my last house I built an office INSIDE my 2 car garage, at the rear of
> it.
> This office shared a common wall with the living area of the house.
> In my office I play guitar, toonz, bass, keyboards and anything else I want,
> all at enormously high volumns.
> In my last house my wife rode my XXX all the time because the sound would
> transfer into the house.
> So....
>
> In my new house I built my office with a FOUR FOOT sonic break.
> The office shares no walls with the main house and the floors are at
> different levels.
> Further, I sheathed my office in 3/4" plywood and 1/2" drywall on both sides
> of the studs and filled the cavities with batt insulation.
> I regularly exceed 130db here in the office and after 3 years have not had 1
> complaint from my wife.
> Ahhhhh....... I like a peaceful household.
>
> In my next house I expect to increase that sonic break to about 200' or
> more. ;-)
>
LOL
I've also heard to optimize sound seperation, one should use a sonic
break on the order of at least one U.S. State. The larger states out
west have a better sound seperation than do some of the smaller
northeastern ones. ;-)
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| Pierre Levesque, AIA 2005-10-21, 1:21 pm |
| I hope you use that 4 foot break as a hallway or something!
A standard acoustic wall would have sufficed. An acoustic wall is an 8 inch
thick wall using 2X4's set in a staggered pattern that is insulated in a
zigzag between the studs. The studs for each face of wall are at 24"OC -
12"OC on one side 12" OC on the other side- forming a continuous insulating
buffer. Also, you sandwich the sill and top plates to the floor/ceiling
with a foam rubber seal so as to absorb vibrations. If you really need more
sound insulation you drop a ceiling and raise the floor making sure that
they are fastened to the inside facing wall studs and insulate those spaces
to continue the insulating buffer zone.
"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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> OK, here's the deal.
> In my last house I built an office INSIDE my 2 car garage, at the rear of
> it.
> This office shared a common wall with the living area of the house.
> In my office I play guitar, toonz, bass, keyboards and anything else I
> want, all at enormously high volumns.
> In my last house my wife rode my XXX all the time because the sound would
> transfer into the house.
> So....
>
> In my new house I built my office with a FOUR FOOT sonic break.
> The office shares no walls with the main house and the floors are at
> different levels.
> Further, I sheathed my office in 3/4" plywood and 1/2" drywall on both
> sides of the studs and filled the cavities with batt insulation.
> I regularly exceed 130db here in the office and after 3 years have not had
> 1 complaint from my wife.
> Ahhhhh....... I like a peaceful household.
>
> In my next house I expect to increase that sonic break to about 200' or
> more. ;-)
>
>
> "Pierre Levesque, AIA" <pierrelevesqueNOSPAM@connarch.com> wrote in
> message news:ta66f.1$dW6.0@trndny09...
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| "Pierre Levesque, AIA"> wrote
>I hope you use that 4 foot break as a hallway or something!
Yes, a hallway, that leads to side door out of my garage.
My house was designed to have a 3 car garage, but the 3rd car part didn't
receive an OHD (I installed a 35 SH window instead) and I enclosed it like I
mentioned to be my office (16'x12').
Its completely trimmed out, ducted for AC/heat, has electric, lights, fans,
carpet, etc.
For real estate marketing we are calling it a multi-purpose room.
For the record, designing and then building this house was a powerful
learning experience, one in which ALL designers should embark as soon as
possible, if possible. You cannot fully understand nor appreciate the
intricacies of coordinating with perhaps a hundred other people in order to
achieve a single goal until after you have done this. When we moved into
this house my wife was just about emotionally drained and swore she'd never
build anything ever again. I however was chomping at the bit, having learned
so much over the past year, I was ready to do it again and use the things I
had learned to my advantage.
Its not possible to design and then build something as complex as a house
without many incidents along the way. It is how you respond to such things
as to the success of the project. Roll with the punches and then come up
firing!
My biggest problem with this project was that I ran out of money before I
ran out of house. :-(
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| 3D Peruna 2005-10-21, 5:21 pm |
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"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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> "Pierre Levesque, AIA"> wrote
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> Yes, a hallway, that leads to side door out of my garage.
> My house was designed to have a 3 car garage, but the 3rd car part didn't
> receive an OHD (I installed a 35 SH window instead) and I enclosed it like
> I mentioned to be my office (16'x12').
> Its completely trimmed out, ducted for AC/heat, has electric, lights,
> fans, carpet, etc.
> For real estate marketing we are calling it a multi-purpose room.
>
> For the record, designing and then building this house was a powerful
> learning experience, one in which ALL designers should embark as soon as
> possible, if possible. You cannot fully understand nor appreciate the
> intricacies of coordinating with perhaps a hundred other people in order
> to achieve a single goal until after you have done this. When we moved
> into this house my wife was just about emotionally drained and swore she'd
> never build anything ever again. I however was chomping at the bit, having
> learned so much over the past year, I was ready to do it again and use the
> things I had learned to my advantage.
>
> Its not possible to design and then build something as complex as a house
> without many incidents along the way. It is how you respond to such things
> as to the success of the project. Roll with the punches and then come up
> firing!
>
> My biggest problem with this project was that I ran out of money before I
> ran out of house. :-(
>
Ditto...
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| Kris Krieger 2005-10-24, 2:21 pm |
| "Pierre Levesque, AIA" <pierrelevesqueNOSPAM@connarch.com> wrote in
news:Pl86f.47$%A1.18@trndny01:
> I hope you use that 4 foot break as a hallway or something!
>
> A standard acoustic wall would have sufficed. An acoustic wall is an
> 8 inch thick wall using 2X4's set in a staggered pattern that is
> insulated in a zigzag between the studs. The studs for each face of
> wall are at 24"OC - 12"OC on one side 12" OC on the other side-
> forming a continuous insulating buffer. Also, you sandwich the sill
> and top plates to the floor/ceiling with a foam rubber seal so as to
> absorb vibrations. If you really need more sound insulation you drop
> a ceiling and raise the floor making sure that they are fastened to
> the inside facing wall studs and insulate those spaces to continue the
> insulating buffer zone.
Good stuff. Seems like this info would also be applicable to a workshop.
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