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Sound proof btw masterbr. and studio
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| Rick Bass 2005-10-21, 10:21 am |
| I'm adding on to an existing. My wife's master bedroom is going to be
next to my music studio. The addition consists of a floor with a
raised foundation of 18" space in the living quarters. The music
studio will be on a 6" slab. I intend on building a studio within the
shell of the addition to accomadate proper sound proofing needs. I
wish to use the concrete floor in the studio rather than carpet or
wood, with metal studs to create the room with-in a room.
Question: Being the living quarters is on a raised foundation and the
studio on a 6' slab, will sound be transmitted to my wife's master?
Rick Meadows
Bass Players Drink Bass and Homebrew
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| "Rick Bass"> wrote
> Question: Being the living quarters is on a raised foundation and the
> studio on a 6' slab, will sound be transmitted to my wife's master?
Yes.
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| 3D Peruna 2005-10-21, 5:21 pm |
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"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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> "Rick Bass"> wrote
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> Yes.
Depends on his "room-within-a-room" concept and how well he deadens the
sound. It might be transmitted, it might not. Time to do some research
online about sound transmission.
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| "3D Peruna"> wrote
> "Don"> wrote
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> Depends on his "room-within-a-room" concept and how well he deadens the
> sound. It might be transmitted, it might not. Time to do some research
> online about sound transmission.
Go down to your nearby Sam Ash and snatch a Fender P Bass off the wall and
plug it into an Acoustic 300 watt bass head and bolt that up to a pair of
4'x4'x4' folded bass horns, wind it up to 11 and nudge that bottom E
string........you'll break concrete and your heart may seize.
There is literally *nothing* that has ever been invented that could keep
that sound from penetrating through to the next room.
**Solid 12" thick concrete walls, floor and ceiling may deaden it a little
but sound would still escape around the door.
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| Don wrote:
> "3D Peruna"> wrote
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> Go down to your nearby Sam Ash and snatch a Fender P Bass off the wall and
> plug it into an Acoustic 300 watt bass head and bolt that up to a pair of
> 4'x4'x4' folded bass horns, wind it up to 11 and nudge that bottom E
> string........you'll break concrete and your heart may seize.
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> There is literally *nothing* that has ever been invented that could keep
> that sound from penetrating through to the next room.
No doubt. Anyone who has played a bass or in a band will know those
frequencies tend to "travel".
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> **Solid 12" thick concrete walls, floor and ceiling may deaden it a little
> but sound would still escape around the door.
I wonder if you could set up a room that works on the line like those
noise cancelling headphones. Don't they create a counter frequency
that negates outside noise? Would it work in reverse? Not sure if
could handle something like a bass. I obviously dont know the
technical details on how they work, but just wondering if it could be
applied in a situation like this to create a "black box". Or maybe his
wife can just take up the drums, and bang away in her room when he's
making a racket. Drums beat Bass, much like Scissors beat Paper.
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| "Cato"> wrote
> No doubt. Anyone who has played a bass or in a band will know those
> frequencies tend to "travel".
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> I wonder if you could set up a room that works on the line like those
> noise cancelling headphones. Don't they create a counter frequency
> that negates outside noise? Would it work in reverse? Not sure if
> could handle something like a bass. I obviously dont know the
> technical details on how they work, but just wondering if it could be
> applied in a situation like this to create a "black box". Or maybe his
> wife can just take up the drums, and bang away in her room when he's
> making a racket. Drums beat Bass, much like Scissors beat Paper.
Very few can appreciate the world of the rock musician and the trials he
must endure.
Right here in my rack I have a 70's vintage analog Pioneer SX-1250 receiver
that pumps 160 watts of REAL power, unlike the plastic watts that are
spoonfed out of todays throw away receivers. That 160 watts then travels
through a series of reducers, expanders, compressors, eq's, and various
other processors until it is finally booted down the pipes at well over 300
watts per channel and it is as clean as the driven snow. (this rack is over
6' tall and weighs an estimated 1100 pounds and contains 14 seperate pieces
of equipment) These converted sine waves are converted once more as they
leave (4) HPM-100's and (4) CS-99's. You can hear the vox take a breath in
between lines, or his lip brush the Shure or the drummers ring click on the
stick. Crystal clear.
None of those watts, though, come even close in comparison to the 160 watts
of RAW power that come out of my Fender Stage112. It is a whole nuther
animal. Like its wild or something. Uncontrollable, almost. That 112 doesn't
*come alive* until you wind it up to about 4 or 5, then its real personality
makes itself known. Maybe I should say split personality. At low volume it
is mild and unassuming. Crank it to 5 and get the hell out of the way, it
will hurt you. It will break glass and knock stuff off shelves on the other
side of the house. It can effect the structural integrity of the building
itself. It is really an outdoor amp, not meant to be used in an enclosed
room without a power sink.
When I was 14 I went into Brents and walked over to the Kustom amp section.
Hit the power switch on a stack and it started humming real loud, there was
electricity in the air. I haven't been the same since.
Guitar amp watts aren't the same as home stereo watts, not by a long shot.
White noise, Pink noise.
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Don wrote:
> "Cato"> wrote
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> Very few can appreciate the world of the rock musician and the trials he
> must endure.
> Right here in my rack I have a 70's vintage analog Pioneer SX-1250 receiver
> that pumps 160 watts of REAL power, unlike the plastic watts that are
> spoonfed out of todays throw away receivers. That 160 watts then travels
> through a series of reducers, expanders, compressors, eq's, and various
> other processors until it is finally booted down the pipes at well over 300
> watts per channel and it is as clean as the driven snow. (this rack is over
> 6' tall and weighs an estimated 1100 pounds and contains 14 seperate pieces
> of equipment) These converted sine waves are converted once more as they
> leave (4) HPM-100's and (4) CS-99's. You can hear the vox take a breath in
> between lines, or his lip brush the Shure or the drummers ring click on the
> stick. Crystal clear.
>
> None of those watts, though, come even close in comparison to the 160 watts
> of RAW power that come out of my Fender Stage112. It is a whole nuther
> animal. Like its wild or something. Uncontrollable, almost. That 112 doesn't
> *come alive* until you wind it up to about 4 or 5, then its real personality
> makes itself known. Maybe I should say split personality. At low volume it
> is mild and unassuming. Crank it to 5 and get the hell out of the way, it
> will hurt you. It will break glass and knock stuff off shelves on the other
> side of the house. It can effect the structural integrity of the building
> itself. It is really an outdoor amp, not meant to be used in an enclosed
> room without a power sink.
>
> When I was 14 I went into Brents and walked over to the Kustom amp section.
> Hit the power switch on a stack and it started humming real loud, there was
> electricity in the air. I haven't been the same since.
>
> Guitar amp watts aren't the same as home stereo watts, not by a long shot.
>
> White noise, Pink noise.
LOL. So true. I remember when I was a Freshman in college I lived in
a dorm for one semester (the one and only time, thank god). Anyway,
everyday at around 3:30 in the afternoon, after everyone had gotten out
of their classes for the day, these children would try and compete with
their "bad-XXX" stereos and see who could drown out the other ones in
the hallway. I put up with this for a week or so, and then decided
enough was enough. Grabbed the explorer, plugged in the distortion
pedal, turned on the twin reverb, and set it on '5'. (I didn't want to
stop any hearts out of the gate). I believe I started with a nice
solid 'A' and continued till they came crying to me saying they
couldn't hear their stereos anymore. Needless to say, these children
ceased and desisted with their game when they knew I was in my dorm
room. Step off bitches.......
Amp beats Stereo like Rock beats Scissors.
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| Noral Stewart 2005-10-21, 9:21 pm |
| As I read again, it looks like the floor levels of the bedroom and studio
are not the same. This helps. Ideally, the slab of the studio should have
an isolation joint between it and the foundation of the other room. Then
you should have separate studs on both floors to support the walls of each
space. Do not tie these studs together anywhere except the perimeter. Do
not try to put any gypsum or other solid material between the two sets of
studs. That would help blockage of high frequency sounds but would hurt
blockage of low frequencies that are more difficult to control. Put as much
gypsum as you can on the wall surfaces. Layers of different thicknesses of
gypsum with acoustical sealant between them can help damp out resonances and
coincident frequency effects. Alternatively, consider using some of the new
Quiet Solution proprietary wallboard. Of course you want batts in the wall
cavity. This is just a beginning. Details must be handled carefully. If
you have the space to spare, a large gap as suggested by Don can be helpful,
but is not necessary if you handle the details carefully. Just do be aware
that if it is very quiet in the bedroom and very loud in the studio, you
will always be able to hear some leakage.
"Rick Bass" <rmeadows3@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I'm adding on to an existing. My wife's master bedroom is going to be
> next to my music studio. The addition consists of a floor with a
> raised foundation of 18" space in the living quarters. The music
> studio will be on a 6" slab. I intend on building a studio within the
> shell of the addition to accomadate proper sound proofing needs. I
> wish to use the concrete floor in the studio rather than carpet or
> wood, with metal studs to create the room with-in a room.
>
> Question: Being the living quarters is on a raised foundation and the
> studio on a 6' slab, will sound be transmitted to my wife's master?
>
> Rick Meadows
> Bass Players Drink Bass and Homebrew
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| Rick Bass 2005-10-21, 10:21 pm |
| Thank you Mr. Steward. I intend on doing all of the above, as you
stated, dead space btw rooms, r-30, sound proof wall board and two
5/8s' sheet rock.
My wife does play, she plays the radio, very loud, thank you. My
concern was not for her being in the room and having it quiet, I now
there is leakage. I was more concerned with the concrete floor
transmitting into and out of the room. Should I put concrete felt btw
the stem wall (18") and the 6" slab, or is that not any different than
pouring against one another.
I play bass guitar in a jazz, blues and Hendrix cover band. I
understand the large waves of the bass. I record the bass on two
tracks, one direct and the other amped. The vol. can stay low and not
create much leakage.
And really, I want to stop most, if not all sound coming into the
studio.
Thank you once again Gents for a fine bit of conversation.
Rick
Bass Players Drink Bass
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> Thank you once again Gents for a fine bit of conversation.
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> Rick
> Bass Players Drink Bass
Rick, thanks for the topic. Speaking for myself (and I'm sure Don), as
a fellow musician, I am a bit jealous your getting to set up your own
"room" properly. My wife already knows it's on the agenda for our next
house (that I will be designing). I will definitely revisit this
thread when that happens. Although, I will be ignoring my own posts.
;)
What kind of gear do you have?
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| Rick Bass 2005-10-22, 12:21 am |
| Thank you Cato for your assistance.
I have the following:
62 330 Ricky
65 Strat, stock blk
67 Duo Sonic w/ lipstick p.u.
70 Fender F-210 Acou.
75 P Bass, Artic White
97 50th Annv. Jazz , blk
00 Carvin Fretless hollow w/ trans. p.u.
02 Tely, Lipstick and Humb., blk on wht
1000w Carvin Bass Head w/ 410 and 1-18 folded
75 450 Acoustic w/ 2-15 and front loaded 18
16/4/2 channel Sound Master board
2- T-38'
2-Adat 8's
Bunch of outboard gear...
357 Colt lever/12 gage/2 Marlin 22's w scopes and I make my own beer
(great stuff, says Laura, and she's a wine drinker)..........All
looking for a new studio to reside in, and this will happen after the
city (Garden Grove, Ca.) approves my plans, altho I plan on deveating
from the plans allitle in regards to the studio.
Thank you again gents,
Rick
Bass Players Drink Bass and Homebrew
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| "Rick Bass"> wrote
> Thank you Cato for your assistance.
> I have the following:
> 62 330 Ricky
MURDER!
> 65 Strat, stock blk
> 67 Duo Sonic w/ lipstick p.u.
> 70 Fender F-210 Acou.
> 75 P Bass, Artic White
All vintage stuff.
Somebody has access to some long coin!
> 97 50th Annv. Jazz , blk
> 00 Carvin Fretless hollow w/ trans. p.u.
Ouch! Did somebody kill me just now?
Been getting Carvin catalogs in the mail forever, been wanting a Carvin
DC400 even longer.
> 02 Tely, Lipstick and Humb., blk on wht
> 1000w Carvin Bass Head w/ 410 and 1-18 folded
Umph.
You need another house man, seriously.
Or at least your own *out building*, say, 60' x 60' with 30' ceilings?
> 75 450 Acoustic w/ 2-15 and front loaded 18
> 16/4/2 channel Sound Master board
> 2- T-38'
> 2-Adat 8's
> Bunch of outboard gear...
If I ever go into a coma I want to wake up in this doods house.
> 357 Colt lever/12 gage/2 Marlin 22's w scopes
Just bought me a Marlin 66 SS with a scope. I like it.
> and I make my own beer
> (great stuff, says Laura, and she's a wine drinker)..........All
> looking for a new studio to reside in, and this will happen after the
> city (Garden Grove, Ca.) approves my plans, altho I plan on deveating
> from the plans allitle in regards to the studio.
Thats to be expected, in fact, I insist!
Guten Luck!
> Thank you again gents,
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> Rick
> Bass Players Drink Bass and Homebrew
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| Noral Stewart 2005-10-22, 8:21 am |
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"Rick Bass" <rmeadows3@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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Should I put concrete felt btw
> the stem wall (18") and the 6" slab, or is that not any different than
> pouring against one another.
> Rick
> Bass Players Drink Bass
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Yes put a soft material between the slab and raised foundation and you
should be fine.
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| Pierre Levesque, AIA 2005-10-22, 11:21 am |
| When life gets "real" good consider recording here:
www.allairestudios.com
Be sure to check out the "studios" section and plans, equipment etc links
Then again, you seem to be on your way to building your own recording studio
but a visit here is like walking into a great great model for what you might
be dreaming of.
"Rick Bass" <rmeadows3@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1129950398.938521.82570@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Thank you Cato for your assistance.
> I have the following:
> 62 330 Ricky
> 65 Strat, stock blk
> 67 Duo Sonic w/ lipstick p.u.
> 70 Fender F-210 Acou.
> 75 P Bass, Artic White
> 97 50th Annv. Jazz , blk
> 00 Carvin Fretless hollow w/ trans. p.u.
> 02 Tely, Lipstick and Humb., blk on wht
> 1000w Carvin Bass Head w/ 410 and 1-18 folded
> 75 450 Acoustic w/ 2-15 and front loaded 18
> 16/4/2 channel Sound Master board
> 2- T-38'
> 2-Adat 8's
> Bunch of outboard gear...
> 357 Colt lever/12 gage/2 Marlin 22's w scopes and I make my own beer
> (great stuff, says Laura, and she's a wine drinker)..........All
> looking for a new studio to reside in, and this will happen after the
> city (Garden Grove, Ca.) approves my plans, altho I plan on deveating
> from the plans allitle in regards to the studio.
>
> Thank you again gents,
>
> Rick
> Bass Players Drink Bass and Homebrew
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| Nice stuff.
That Great Hall.
"Pierre Levesque, AIA" <pierrelevesqueNOSPAM@connarch.com> wrote in message
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> When life gets "real" good consider recording here:
> www.allairestudios.com
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> Be sure to check out the "studios" section and plans, equipment etc links
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> Then again, you seem to be on your way to building your own recording
> studio but a visit here is like walking into a great great model for what
> you might be dreaming of.
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> "Rick Bass" <rmeadows3@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:1129950398.938521.82570@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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| Rick Bass 2005-10-22, 5:21 pm |
| The "All Aire" is beautiful. I showed Laura and tried to explain that
we should move to the country, (like she said, "wheres' the "country"
here in Socal) and build a studio/house. Of course she said
House/Studio, so those plans are out. Oh well, the place is stunning.
Rick
Bass Players Drink Bass and Home Brew
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