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| Well, we just got power about 30 mins ago.
It went out about 8:30am on Mon.
In some ways Wilma was worse than Charlie.
We had a couple soffit panels ripped loose, I fixed them yesterday.
And the 80' width of the rear of our 6' estate fence is bowed out.
I will fix that today.
We were a little better prepared this time, had all the batteries charged,
ate most of the food in the fridge, had plenty of water and ice.
The climate made the diff this time around.
During Charley it was unbelievably hot the whole time, had to consume
gallons of water everyday.
During Wilma it was about 75 during the day and dropped to the high 50's at
night.
Told my wife just last night, other than concerns over my work, I'm not too
bothered that the power is out.
It does get boring though when you have no juice.
Now, all is well here.
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| Pierre Levesque, AIA 2005-10-26, 11:21 am |
| 'tis 'bout time you move outta there... like Ohio and tornado country :-)
"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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> Well, we just got power about 30 mins ago.
> It went out about 8:30am on Mon.
> In some ways Wilma was worse than Charlie.
> We had a couple soffit panels ripped loose, I fixed them yesterday.
> And the 80' width of the rear of our 6' estate fence is bowed out.
> I will fix that today.
>
> We were a little better prepared this time, had all the batteries charged,
> ate most of the food in the fridge, had plenty of water and ice.
> The climate made the diff this time around.
> During Charley it was unbelievably hot the whole time, had to consume
> gallons of water everyday.
> During Wilma it was about 75 during the day and dropped to the high 50's
> at night.
> Told my wife just last night, other than concerns over my work, I'm not
> too bothered that the power is out.
> It does get boring though when you have no juice.
>
> Now, all is well here.
>
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| 2 words
root cellar
"Pierre Levesque, AIA" <pierrelevesqueNOSPAM@connarch.com> wrote in message
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> 'tis 'bout time you move outta there... like Ohio and tornado country
> :-)
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> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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| P Fritz 2005-10-26, 12:21 pm |
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"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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> 2 words
> root cellar
Don......you are showing your age......they are called basements now.
<heehee>
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> "Pierre Levesque, AIA" <pierrelevesqueNOSPAM@connarch.com> wrote in
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| central texas
plenty of tornadoes, no basements
solutions...interior tornado rooms
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> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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> Don......you are showing your age......they are called basements now.
> <heehee>
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> ice.
> 50's
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| Guess I should have clarified.
A *stand alone* root cellar.
With a basement, if the house is blown away, theres a good chance the people
in the basement will get killed.
I'm envisioning an 1150 gal concrete septic tank (new) sunk below grade and
it would have the essential things for riding out a storm.
I remember my dad and his 2 brothers (all were homebuilders in Penna.)
talking about this stuff back in the 50's and 60's as a bomb shelter.
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> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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> Don......you are showing your age......they are called basements now.
> <heehee>
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> ice.
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| P Fritz 2005-10-26, 2:21 pm |
| yeah, but Don is talking of moving to Indy / Ohio.....where basements are
pretty standard.....although more and more peopel are looking for "walk out"
ones.
"jojo" <cgv_2000*yourhat*@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> central texas
> plenty of tornadoes, no basements
> solutions...interior tornado rooms
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> "P Fritz" <paulfritzNOSPAMFORME@voyager.net> wrote in message
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Don wrote:
> Guess I should have clarified.
> A *stand alone* root cellar.
> With a basement, if the house is blown away, theres a good chance the people
> in the basement will get killed.
> I'm envisioning an 1150 gal concrete septic tank (new) sunk below grade and
> it would have the essential things for riding out a storm.
>
> I remember my dad and his 2 brothers (all were homebuilders in Penna.)
> talking about this stuff back in the 50's and 60's as a bomb shelter.
>
Sounds a lot like one my grandmother had in rural Arkansas. It was
about 50 yds away from the main house, was made of a combination of
concrete and quarried stone blocks (I assume from the area). She just
called it the storm shelter, since it was built back in the 30's (pre
nuke). I remember having to go into once during a storm, felt safe
from the "storm", but other issues didn't make me feel quite as safe.
I was pretty afraid of that place as a kid, because snakes used to love
hanging out in it, especially the poisonous variety (primarily
copperheads), which my grandmother killed on a regular basis. Can't
stand snakes........
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| P Fritz 2005-10-26, 3:21 pm |
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"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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> Guess I should have clarified.
> A *stand alone* root cellar.
> With a basement, if the house is blown away, theres a good chance the
people
> in the basement will get killed.
> I'm envisioning an 1150 gal concrete septic tank (new) sunk below grade
and
> it would have the essential things for riding out a storm.
But think about it.......storm starts to blow, your in the house and NOW
you want to make the mad dash away from the house. It would make more
sense to have a solid structure in the basement (maybe with its own roof) if
you are that concerned........but I have lived in the midwest for over 30
years and have never evcen seen a twister. It is all a matter of $$$ /
risk
>
> I remember my dad and his 2 brothers (all were homebuilders in Penna.)
> talking about this stuff back in the 50's and 60's as a bomb shelter.
>
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> "P Fritz" <paulfritzNOSPAMFORME@voyager.net> wrote in message
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| Don wrote:
>
> Guess I should have clarified.
> A *stand alone* root cellar.
> With a basement, if the house is blown away, theres a good chance the people
> in the basement will get killed.
> I'm envisioning an 1150 gal concrete septic tank (new) sunk below grade and
> it would have the essential things for riding out a storm.
>
> I remember my dad and his 2 brothers (all were homebuilders in Penna.)
> talking about this stuff back in the 50's and 60's as a bomb shelter.
Ah, the 60s.
When my folks built their home, my father had a shelter built
into the foundation, with reinforced concrete.
Kinda cool, but, fortunately, we never used it.
Notan
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| Kris Krieger 2005-10-26, 3:21 pm |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
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> 2 words
> root cellar
Or a decommissioned missile silo. I saw that on teevee - two people bought
one, fixed it up and live in it.
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> "Pierre Levesque, AIA" <pierrelevesqueNOSPAM@connarch.com> wrote in
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| Kris Krieger wrote:
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> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
> news:_KM7f.1380$AS6.1339@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:
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> Or a decommissioned missile silo. I saw that on teevee - two people bought
> one, fixed it up and live in it.
Did they have it delivered?
Notan
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| Kris Krieger 2005-10-26, 4:21 pm |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
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> Guess I should have clarified.
> A *stand alone* root cellar.
A.K.A. storm cellar. Or survival bunker <g!>
> With a basement, if the house is blown away, theres a good chance the
> people in the basement will get killed.
Yup. Indoor "tornado room" is good but best is to be below ground so as to
avoid debris being thrown around at 100+ mph.
> I'm envisioning an 1150 gal concrete septic tank (new)
New? Oh where's the fun in that =:-o
> sunk below
> grade and it would have the essential things for riding out a storm.
>
> I remember my dad and his 2 brothers (all were homebuilders in Penna.)
> talking about this stuff back in the 50's and 60's as a bomb shelter.
Right. IMO, always a really good idea. Makes a good "provate space" ;)
And, if nothing else, you can go down there and blast the stereo and party
to your heart's content <G!>
You also can buy units that come pretty much stocked with things like air
filter, heater, power supply, and so on, tho' I have no recollection of
price ranges. They're reinforced steel blunt-edged cylinders, I think
originally mfg.d to be truck-mounted gas/chemical transport containers (so
they're also leakproof).
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| > > it would have the essential things for riding out a storm.
Riding out the storm
<dum de dum da dum>
Around this world we're blown
A shelter made of stone
<dum de dum da dum>
Like a Don without a home
Now where the heck's he gone
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> Riding out the storm
>
> <dum de dum da dum>
>
> Around this world we're blown
> A shelter made of stone
>
> <dum de dum da dum>
>
> Like a Don without a home
> Now where the heck's he gone
M'be change that last line to
Dorothy's out alone
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| gotcha
"P Fritz" <paulfritzNOSPAMFORME@voyager.net> wrote in message
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> yeah, but Don is talking of moving to Indy / Ohio.....where basements are
> pretty standard.....although more and more peopel are looking for "walk
out"
> ones.
>
> "jojo" <cgv_2000*yourhat*@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| 3D Peruna 2005-10-26, 8:21 pm |
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"P Fritz" <paulfritzNOSPAMFORME@voyager.net> wrote in message
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> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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> people
> and
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> But think about it.......storm starts to blow, your in the house and NOW
> you want to make the mad dash away from the house. It would make more
> sense to have a solid structure in the basement (maybe with its own roof)
> if
> you are that concerned........but I have lived in the midwest for over 30
> years and have never evcen seen a twister. It is all a matter of $$$ /
> risk
When I did my in-law's house in Missouri, we added a small "tornado" room
for relatively little cost in the basement. It's concrete 6 sides with
appropriate doors. Prolly much less costly and far more convenient than
something outside and separate.
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| "Cato"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> Sounds a lot like one my grandmother had in rural Arkansas. It was
> about 50 yds away from the main house, was made of a combination of
> concrete and quarried stone blocks (I assume from the area). She just
> called it the storm shelter, since it was built back in the 30's (pre
> nuke). I remember having to go into once during a storm, felt safe
> from the "storm", but other issues didn't make me feel quite as safe.
> I was pretty afraid of that place as a kid, because snakes used to love
> hanging out in it, especially the poisonous variety (primarily
> copperheads), which my grandmother killed on a regular basis. Can't
> stand snakes........
Yeah, I gotta real problem with snakes too, just don't like em.
I like to look at them, but thats about it.
They look like they defy nature and physics, especially them Sidewinders.
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| "3D Peruna"> wrote
> When I did my in-law's house in Missouri, we added a small "tornado" room
> for relatively little cost in the basement. It's concrete 6 sides with
> appropriate doors. Prolly much less costly and far more convenient than
> something outside and separate.
If the tornado blows up the house how do you keep the debris (2x12 joists,
etc.) from falling into the room?
I like the idea of a safe room in the basement, but it would have to have
solid concrete walls floor and roof.
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| "Notan"> wrote
> Don wrote:
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> Ah, the 60s.
>
> When my folks built their home, my father had a shelter built
> into the foundation, with reinforced concrete.
>
> Kinda cool, but, fortunately, we never used it.
Come on now, I know you and the neighbor kids used that thing for a fort!
LOL
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| "Kris Krieger"> wrote
> Or a decommissioned missile silo. I saw that on teevee - two people
> bought
> one, fixed it up and live in it.
I saw that too. Looked pretty cool.
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| "gruhn"> wrote
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> Riding out the storm
>
> <dum de dum da dum>
>
> Around this world we're blown
> A shelter made of stone
>
> <dum de dum da dum>
>
> Like a Don without a home
> Now where the heck's he gone
LOL
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| Kris Krieger 2005-10-26, 9:21 pm |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
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> "3D Peruna"> wrote
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> If the tornado blows up the house how do you keep the debris (2x12
> joists, etc.) from falling into the room?
Maybe by 6 sides he meant, including floor and ceiling...?
> I like the idea of a safe room in the basement, but it would have to
> have solid concrete walls floor and roof.
I'm with you there, tho' from what I've seen (such as it is), the trend
seems to have been for developments to have the houses on slabs. No doubt
it's cheaper (for the builder that is) than putting in a basement.
Personally, I'd have thought that the climate extremes of the continental
climate type (i.e. at the continent's interior, unmitigated by any large
body of water) would lead to as awful lot of buckling, which is one of the
things I don't like about slab construction - it's not like most places
have the slabs built on stable'stabilized pillars.
So, an above-ground "shelter room" is all that most people can probably
get, since I'm also sure the yards in the majority recent developments
(i.e. regardless of geographical area) are too tiny to hold an actual
underground shelter.
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| Kris Krieger 2005-10-26, 9:21 pm |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
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> "Kris Krieger"> wrote
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> I saw that too. Looked pretty cool.
Yup. Very interesting idea. The lack of windows was a bit disturbing, but
it all depends upon one's psychology, and one's decorating skills <g>.
OTOH, when they go outside, it's all sky and grassland - imagine, no people
for miles around, no poop from the neighbor's pets, or strewn junk form the
neighbors' kids, or peopel always banging on your door trying to seel you
junk or convert you or whatever, no damn lawnmower or leafblower racket
every day of the week, no nosy nellies trying to pry into your business or
tell you how to live...
....just about heaven in that regard <G!>
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| Adam Weiss 2005-10-26, 10:21 pm |
| Don wrote:
> Well, we just got power about 30 mins ago.
> It went out about 8:30am on Mon.
> In some ways Wilma was worse than Charlie.
> We had a couple soffit panels ripped loose, I fixed them yesterday.
> And the 80' width of the rear of our 6' estate fence is bowed out.
> I will fix that today.
>
> We were a little better prepared this time, had all the batteries charged,
> ate most of the food in the fridge, had plenty of water and ice.
> The climate made the diff this time around.
> During Charley it was unbelievably hot the whole time, had to consume
> gallons of water everyday.
> During Wilma it was about 75 during the day and dropped to the high 50's at
> night.
> Told my wife just last night, other than concerns over my work, I'm not too
> bothered that the power is out.
> It does get boring though when you have no juice.
>
> Now, all is well here.
>
>
Glad to hear you came through it fine.
Good to hear the house suffered only cosmetic damage.
Sorry to hear you were bored. Being an easterner by birth, and having
spent 6 days without power during a nor-easter in 1997, I can say that
it doesn't have to be boring.
My recipe:
Once the storm's passed through and you don't need to stay sober for
safety, gather a flashlight with batteries, a bottle of cheap, strong
liquor a big book or a collection of National Geographics and a
newspaper or magazine or two - even old ones are OK. You can sustain
interest for days.
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"Kris Krieger" <pteroDELETE_THISchromics@earthlinkDELETE.net> wrote in
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> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
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> Maybe by 6 sides he meant, including floor and ceiling...?
<smacks forehead> Sorry Paul.
>
> I'm with you there, tho' from what I've seen (such as it is), the trend
> seems to have been for developments to have the houses on slabs. No doubt
> it's cheaper (for the builder that is) than putting in a basement.
> Personally, I'd have thought that the climate extremes of the continental
> climate type (i.e. at the continent's interior, unmitigated by any large
> body of water) would lead to as awful lot of buckling, which is one of the
> things I don't like about slab construction - it's not like most places
> have the slabs built on stable'stabilized pillars.
>
> So, an above-ground "shelter room" is all that most people can probably
> get, since I'm also sure the yards in the majority recent developments
> (i.e. regardless of geographical area) are too tiny to hold an actual
> underground shelter.
If its above ground it will become a kite in a cat 5 unless it has some
stern anchors.
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| "Kris Krieger"> wrote
> OTOH, when they go outside, it's all sky and grassland - imagine, no
> people
> for miles around, no poop from the neighbor's pets, or strewn junk form
> the
> neighbors' kids, or peopel always banging on your door trying to seel you
> junk or convert you or whatever, no damn lawnmower or leafblower racket
> every day of the week, no nosy nellies trying to pry into your business or
> tell you how to live...
> ...just about heaven in that regard <G!>
Are you dreaming about utopia again?
Stop it, just stop it right now cause when I think like that and then have
to come back to reality, well...its just too much to bear.... heh-heh
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| "Adam Weiss"> wrote
> Once the storm's passed through and you don't need to stay sober for
> safety, gather a flashlight with batteries, a bottle of cheap, strong
> liquor a big book or a collection of National Geographics and a newspaper
> or magazine or two - even old ones are OK. You can sustain interest for
> days.
Unfortunately, over the past few years I have slacked off on paper media but
have literally thousands of ebooks and mags.
All of my real books were packed and sent to my storage unit.
I read what was available around here, continued to get the house ready for
selling, played with the dogs and cats quite a bit and slept like there was
no tomorrow.
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| Kris Krieger 2005-10-27, 4:21 pm |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
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> "Kris Krieger" <pteroDELETE_THISchromics@earthlinkDELETE.net> wrote in
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> If its above ground it will become a kite in a cat 5 unless it has
> some stern anchors.
I think these are supposed to be tornado shelters - I've no idea whether
they could stand a direct hit; I think they're mainly supposed to be a
buffer between you and tornado-flung missiles.
But I keep wondering whether a semi-underground "turtle shell" (domed
reinforced concrete) would be able to withstand a hit by a tornado.
Flooding would be a concern but it seems like it'd also lessen the need for
heating and A/C.
Because of flood concerns, I don't think being semi-underground would work
in hurricane-prone areas - but I dunno.
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| Kris Krieger 2005-10-27, 4:21 pm |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
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> "Kris Krieger"> wrote
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> Are you dreaming about utopia again?
Well, actually, yeah...
> Stop it, just stop it right now cause when I think like that and then
> have to come back to reality, well...its just too much to bear....
> heh-heh
Too true!
OTOH, as the whole saying goes, "I think, therefore I am; I dream,
therefore I become". So what the hell, dream a little ;)
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