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| What kind of program should I use or is recommended for pool designing?
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| "jmex"> wrote
> What kind of program should I use or is recommended for pool designing?
I use autocad to draw everything, including an $120k pool package right now.
As I told someone recently in another group:
A cad program will only do what you tell it to, so it is imperative that you
know the proper things to tell it.
Lastly, unless you're *in da bidnit* the best cad program is the one your
chosen local designer with education and experience uses.
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| Don wrote:
> "jmex"> wrote
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> I use autocad to draw everything, including an $120k pool package right now.
> As I told someone recently in another group:
> A cad program will only do what you tell it to, so it is imperative that you
> know the proper things to tell it.
> Lastly, unless you're *in da bidnit* the best cad program is the one your
> chosen local designer with education and experience uses.
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>
I always thought you used AutoCAD LT Don. Have you moved up?
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Edgar
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| "Edgar"> wrote
> Don wrote:
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> I always thought you used AutoCAD LT Don. Have you moved up?
I erred, sort of.
I have both.
I started on R12 many moons ago.
Bought LT97 but never used it, including all the upgrades through 2005.
For my everyday production work I use LT 2004.
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| Don wrote:
> "Edgar"> wrote
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> I erred, sort of.
> I have both.
> I started on R12 many moons ago.
> Bought LT97 but never used it, including all the upgrades through 2005.
> For my everyday production work I use LT 2004.
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I always wondered what the difference is. At work, if all we ever work
on is 2D drafting, could we get by with LT?
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Edgar
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| > I always wondered what the difference is
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servle...130011#section2
---8<---------------------------------------------------
2. What are the key differences between AutoCAD LT 2006 and AutoCAD 2006?
The AutoCAD® 2006 and AutoCAD LT 2006 software programs use the same
software architecture and technology, and both create the same native DWG
file format and the new Autodesk® DWFT (Design Web FormatT) file format. But
AutoCAD 2006 provides additional capabilities in the following key areas:
a.. 3D functionality
b.. Sheet set management
c.. Dynamic block authoring
d.. Customization (LISP, ARX, VBA)
e.. Presentation graphics
f.. CAD standards management
g.. Network licensing
---8<---------------------------------------------------
Note: opossums and Paulina Porizkova both create brown poo.
> At work, if all we ever work on is 2D drafting, could we get by with LT?
I'm not inclined to make a real recommendation for your firm, especially if
you trade drawings with consultants. (I'm not a CAD admin and I don't play
one on TV). That aside, while 3d work is more cool and dynamic block
authoring and dynamic blocks are fun, the realest issue I can see is
customization. What tools you might use that require programming AutoCAD.
This here firm uses a number of fairly simple LISPs for inserting blocks,
setting drawing scale, drawing certain things _our_way_.
I can "well imagine" that larger firms and/or larger projects could wrest
good benefit from sheet sets and standards.
So, if you are small and working on none too large projects, LT may well do
the job. Especially if you like AutoCAD the way it is comes out of the box.
I worry that the above list isn't exhaustive, being only "key areas" rather
than a compare/contrast matrix of thousands of entries.
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| gruhn wrote:
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> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servle...130011#section2
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> ---8<---------------------------------------------------
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> 2. What are the key differences between AutoCAD LT 2006 and AutoCAD 2006?
>
> The AutoCAD® 2006 and AutoCAD LT 2006 software programs use the same
> software architecture and technology, and both create the same native DWG
> file format and the new Autodesk® DWFT (Design Web FormatT) file format. But
> AutoCAD 2006 provides additional capabilities in the following key areas:
>
> a.. 3D functionality
> b.. Sheet set management
> c.. Dynamic block authoring
> d.. Customization (LISP, ARX, VBA)
> e.. Presentation graphics
> f.. CAD standards management
> g.. Network licensing
> ---8<---------------------------------------------------
>
> Note: opossums and Paulina Porizkova both create brown poo.
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> I'm not inclined to make a real recommendation for your firm, especially if
> you trade drawings with consultants. (I'm not a CAD admin and I don't play
> one on TV). That aside, while 3d work is more cool and dynamic block
> authoring and dynamic blocks are fun, the realest issue I can see is
> customization. What tools you might use that require programming AutoCAD.
> This here firm uses a number of fairly simple LISPs for inserting blocks,
> setting drawing scale, drawing certain things _our_way_.
>
> I can "well imagine" that larger firms and/or larger projects could wrest
> good benefit from sheet sets and standards.
>
> So, if you are small and working on none too large projects, LT may well do
> the job. Especially if you like AutoCAD the way it is comes out of the box.
>
> I worry that the above list isn't exhaustive, being only "key areas" rather
> than a compare/contrast matrix of thousands of entries.
>
>
Well I pretty much have completely changed the way AutoCAD works on this
here computer, and I ain't going back. Not sure exactly what "Dynamic
Block Authoring" is. Our projects get fairly large, and I've actually
been looking at using the sheet set manager. Though it looks like it
might be a huge pain in the XXX to set up the first time, after the fact
it seems like it might make a lot of things faster.
We should start a thread about good Auto LISP routines and customization.
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Edgar
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| > Not sure exactly what "Dynamic Block Authoring" is
A classic example:
Insert your conference table block.
Pull on the length grip. The length of the table changes, not the scale, the
length.
And it can be constrained to, oh say, 8" steps.
And the number of chairs changes to look right on the table.
And each chair can rotate and move so you can add a certain "lived in
casual" look if you want.
And the mirror grip flips which end the Chairman's Setting is drawn on.
That's a dynamic block.
Dynamic block authoring is the creation of said with the constraints and
rules.
> might be a huge pain in the XXX to set up the first time
Writing AutoCAD was a huge pain in the XXX the firt time. But after the
fact, it made a lot of things faster. ;-)
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| gruhn wrote:
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> A classic example:
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> Insert your conference table block.
> Pull on the length grip. The length of the table changes, not the scale, the
> length.
> And it can be constrained to, oh say, 8" steps.
> And the number of chairs changes to look right on the table.
> And each chair can rotate and move so you can add a certain "lived in
> casual" look if you want.
> And the mirror grip flips which end the Chairman's Setting is drawn on.
>
> That's a dynamic block.
>
> Dynamic block authoring is the creation of said with the constraints and
> rules.
Sounds sweet, never even knew that was possible. Something more for me
to learn  .
--
Edgar
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| >> Not sure exactly what "Dynamic Block Authoring" is
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> A classic example:
>
> Insert your conference table block.
> Pull on the length grip. The length of the table changes, not the
> scale, the length.
> And it can be constrained to, oh say, 8" steps.
> And the number of chairs changes to look right on the table.
> And each chair can rotate and move so you can add a certain "lived
> in casual" look if you want.
> And the mirror grip flips which end the Chairman's Setting is
> drawn on.
Grun
Just out of interest how does ACAD get round changing block sizes and
attribute extraction
Thinking of say door sizes beeing stretched and this throwing out a door
schedule?
Tim
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| 3D Peruna 2005-12-15, 5:21 pm |
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> Grun
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> Just out of interest how does ACAD get round changing block sizes and
> attribute extraction
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> Thinking of say door sizes beeing stretched and this throwing out a door
> schedule?
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> Tim
If you're using ADT, then the door is a door, not a block (that is a door is
an ADT element, rather than a block or lines). Doors are easy to
stretch...grab a grip and go. You can even type in the size 'o door you
want.
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| gruhn 2005-12-15, 10:21 pm |
| > Sounds sweet, never even knew that was possible. Something more for me
New in 2006. Fun.
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| gruhn 2005-12-15, 10:21 pm |
| > Thinking of say door sizes beeing stretched and this throwing out a door
> schedule?
Dunno. If you're just scaling a block old school your reader would have to
inspect the x & y scales of the door. If using dynamic blocks and you use
the grips like you are supposed to, the width should be correctly reflected
in the width attribute (or "attribute"). Not something we do in this office
and don't expect in house dynamic blocks to be used any time soon so I
didn't go that far in to it.
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| "Edgar"> wrote
> Don wrote:
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> I always wondered what the difference is. At work, if all we ever work on
> is 2D drafting, could we get by with LT?
For me, there is no diff between the 2.
Depends on how you use it I suppose.
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| "gruhn"> wrote
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> A classic example:
>
> Insert your conference table block.
> Pull on the length grip. The length of the table changes, not the scale,
> the
> length.
> And it can be constrained to, oh say, 8" steps.
> And the number of chairs changes to look right on the table.
> And each chair can rotate and move so you can add a certain "lived in
> casual" look if you want.
> And the mirror grip flips which end the Chairman's Setting is drawn on.
That sounds cool, but does that *authored* block now become a whole new
block with a different name?
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| "Edgar"> wrote
> gruhn wrote:
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> Sounds sweet, never even knew that was possible. Something more for me to
> learn .
With acad, the more you learn, the less you know.
Its an amazing program.
Maybe I've been lucky but I've never had any major issues with it.
I've compared it to an employee that does EXACTLY what you ask, so you have
to be very careful what you ask of it.
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