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Re: CHRIST: THE ARRIVAL
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| Ken S. Tucker 2005-12-26, 8:21 pm |
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cegan@egan-martinez.com wrote:
> I haved liked the guys in this group for over 10 years, and I know that
> it is sometimes fun to be irreverent and shocking. But I hope you will
> reflect a bit when I point out that this particular thread is neither
> clever nor insightful....merely crude, sophomoric and offensive.
> Yes....we boys enjoyed telling jokes like this when we were 8 years old
> in Catholic school....but I understand that most of you are a bit older
> than that now.
Ok, want to buy some Miracle Water?
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> Some of us are happy for the birth and life of Jesus, who many call
> Christ, even those who are not certain what the large-scale
> implications of that life may be. Despite the stupidities of many
> so-called Christians, the world would do well to read the words of
> Jesus from time to time.
I don't think so, you're one more religious kook.
Shove crosses up your XXX in the privacy of your
own home!
Religion is an excuse to absolve humans from his natural
empathy. Humans are better than religion.
A human is by nature an empathetic being with wisdom
to make peace and help each other. Don't need your fuckin
religious BS to know that's true, and your crappy government
that followed. All you have invented is a rationalization to war,
and catholics abusing children!
Jesus was no better than Augustus, so cut the cult shit,
and become a human.
Ken S. Tucker
[color=darkred]
> Merry Christmas to all....maybe try to find a bit of peace and
> tolerance during this time!
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> Christopher Egan
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> gruhn wrote:
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Jesus was no better than Augustus, so cut the cult shit,
> and become a human.
Seen something just today, that for an omnipotent being god sure made a lot
of mistakes.
I always thought it was a shame that some people can be convinced to
sacrifice THIS life for the hope of the NEXT life and in the process whole
groups of people have made comfortable livings off that naivete.
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| > A textbook example of how someone outclassed in an argument, and
> apparently in life, will resort to name calling.
Not that "someone outclassed" and "resort" aren't a form of name calling?
But my point is moot because you weren't in the argument.
But anyway... No.
Now I'm refraining from replying to cegan because he was offended (why? It's
stupid but it's human. Why doesn't really matter.) and he did say "please".
He did say "please," didn't he?
But he left himself open to have his buttons pushed. "Hey, I find that
really offensive. Would you please not do that?" Simple request from a
fellow human. Great, we can go with that. (He did say "please," didn't he?)
But when the basis of the request is "don't offend me" it would be better
said to not start off by being offensive. Sure, he does the "some of my best
friends are gay Jewish negroes." But all too often (like, always) that is a
fair sign of a weak argument; a declarator "what follows is bullshit."
And he cuts right in on the name calling. Dissin' our smarts. Questioning
our maturity. In the end, trying to make us behave his way by... pressure of
insult. But HE doesn't want to be insulted.
It gets worse.
"Don't hurt my beliefs." What about the belief that there is no god, there
is no immortal soul; that all of this religion noise is a dispicable
sidetrack? There may be those who hold that belief quite strongly; who find
pandering to Christians a horrible waste of human time and potential; who
find appeals to hurtle metaphysics back some two thousand years a worse
crime than dissin' their momma; who think the continued existance an mind
crushing power of religion the most offensive thing humanity has
perpetrated. Did he consider the feelings of these people? Does he show any
sign of caring about their beliefs? No, none. Just because Atheism is wrong
doesn't make it any less fervently held a belief than any of the thousands
of god options.
He attacks maturity and intelligence (and you complain about other people
not having an argument to stand on. I presume that wasn't your sense of
biting irony kicking in.). Could he have had in mind that anti-Christians
tend to be all la dee da about their keen objective intellects? Could he
have made that specific set of insults more pointedly than you might think?
Was he TRYING to be an XXXXXXX? He's not stupid. He's considered the best
writer regularly in the group... It would be insulting to assume that he
didn't write what he wrote on purpose.
In short:
"I love you all. You all suck. Do what I say." He asked for it. For what?
I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader since you clearly missed it on
the first go.
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| "gruhn"> wrote
> Sure, he does the "some of my best
> friends are gay Jewish negroes." But all too often (like, always) that is
> a
> fair sign of a weak argument; a declarator "what follows is bullshit."
Like the one thats been thrown about by the anti-war idiots, 'Yes Saddam was
a tyrant that massacred his own people, but that doesn't give the US the
right to attack a foreign country". Well, if it wasn't right, then what does
massacre have to do with it. Yes, its a weak argument with a crumbling
foundation, and will make me hit the 'channel down' button post haste.
Wrong doesn't need to be *defined* as everyone already knows what it means.
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| Chris> wrote
> called "God". As I always warn my students...whenever they are
> confronted by orthodoxy of any kind....when anyone asks them to turn
> off their brains and accept ANYTHING on faith....then they should be
> very careful....there is usually a charlatan at work.
Good stuff Chris.
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| P. Fritz 2005-12-27, 11:21 am |
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"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
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> Ken S. Tucker wrote:
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> Is the above an example of the empathy and wisdom?
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> A textbook example of how someone outclassed in an argument, and
> apparently in life, will resort to name calling.
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> I take no sides in the matter - just pointing out the obvious as a
> public service.
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> Feel free to resume the foolishness.
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> R
Why is it there seems to be such a prevalence of people in topical NG's
these days that insist on dragging politics and religion into it. There are
plenty of NGs devoted to such.
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| "P. Fritz"> wrote
> Why is it there seems to be such a prevalence of people in topical NG's
> these days that insist on dragging politics and religion into it. There
> are plenty of NGs devoted to such.
Well, if it wasn't for the off topic topix there would be very few topix at
all, and then you'd have no topix to reply to.
Seems I'm about the only person that posts stuff, off & on topic.
Maybe I should ease off for awhile and see what happens.
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| connarch 2005-12-27, 11:21 am |
| noooooooo... we all need someone to feed our usenet co-dependence...
you're my sponsor aren't you Don?
"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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> "P. Fritz"> wrote
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> Well, if it wasn't for the off topic topix there would be very few topix
> at all, and then you'd have no topix to reply to.
> Seems I'm about the only person that posts stuff, off & on topic.
> Maybe I should ease off for awhile and see what happens.
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| P. Fritz 2005-12-27, 11:21 am |
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"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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> "P. Fritz"> wrote
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> Well, if it wasn't for the off topic topix there would be very few topix
> at all, and then you'd have no topix to reply to.
> Seems I'm about the only person that posts stuff, off & on topic.
> Maybe I should ease off for awhile and see what happens.
I don't mind the mindless OT stuff, ;-) but lets face it, religion and
politics are the two things that can set otherwise reasonable people at each
others throats.
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> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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> I don't mind the mindless OT stuff, ;-) but lets face it, religion and
> politics are the two things that can set otherwise reasonable people at
> each others throats.
LOL, my mother used to say that *decent* folk didn't talk about politics and
religion.
Now, about that 'mindless' part...... ;-)
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| Sure, I'll be yer huckleberry!
Is your billing address the same as your office address? ;-)
"connarch" <connarch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> noooooooo... we all need someone to feed our usenet co-dependence...
> you're my sponsor aren't you Don?
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> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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| Syd Mead 2005-12-27, 12:21 pm |
| "P. Fritz" <paulfritz@voyager.net> from on high, wrote in message:
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> Why is it there seems to be such a prevalence of people in topical NG's
> these days that insist on dragging politics and religion into it. There
> are plenty of NGs devoted to such.
Thank god you have always refrained from the politics in your posts.
Thank you for setting the example for the rest of us.
I have noticed most robopublicans (like yourself) have been conveniently
quiet lately, other than when they are backpedaling
or defending all of the blatant stupidity they so arrogantly mandated over
the last few years.
Your mentor Rush Limbaugh has a contract to honor. I'll bet he is having a
lot of fun defending the antics of your party all day.
Luckily you can just STFU when the going gets tough, then comment about how
wrong it is for others to drag politics into the conversation.
Go Team!
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| P. Fritz 2005-12-27, 12:21 pm |
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"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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> "P. Fritz" <paulfritz ATvoyager DOTnet> wrote in message
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> LOL, my mother used to say that *decent* folk didn't talk about politics
> and religion.
> Now, about that 'mindless' part...... ;-)
That was just for you Don LOL
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| P. Fritz 2005-12-27, 12:21 pm |
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"Syd Mead" <Oohlala@myowntime.com> wrote in message
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> "P. Fritz" <paulfritz@voyager.net> from on high, wrote in message:
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> Thank god you have always refrained from the politics in your posts.
Never said I did
> Thank you for setting the example for the rest of us.
Never said I was
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> I have noticed most robopublicans (like yourself) have been conveniently
> quiet lately, other than when they are backpedaling
> or defending all of the blatant stupidity they so arrogantly mandated over
> the last few years.
<YAWN>
> Your mentor
Yeah sure.
>Rush Limbaugh has a contract to honor. I'll bet he is having a lot of fun
>defending the antics of your party all day.
> Luckily you can just STFU when the going gets tough, then comment about
> how wrong it is for others to drag politics into the conversation.
Free hint for the clueless........
try some simple readin comprehension before making an XXX of yourself
again.
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> Go Team!
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| "Syd Mead"> wrote
> Your mentor Rush Limbaugh has a contract to honor. I'll bet he is having
> a lot of fun defending the antics of your party all day.
Caught a few mins of Rush yesterday when I was driving around.
Man, he's earning his money these days.
And taking alot of breaks, bout every 3 minutes it seems.
I guess its rather taxing when the only way you can defend something is by
attacking the other side and the other side is providing little ammo.
Glad I jumped the ship before it sabotaged itself.
The waters not so bad once you get used to it......
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| P. Fritz 2005-12-27, 1:21 pm |
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"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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> "Syd Mead"> wrote
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> Caught a few mins of Rush yesterday when I was driving around.
> Man, he's earning his money these days.
> And taking alot of breaks, bout every 3 minutes it seems.
He is nothing more than a news reader. The time I hear him, the content is
stuff I have already rad in the morning on the internet through various news
services and blogs.
> I guess its rather taxing when the only way you can defend something is by
> attacking the other side and the other side is providing little ammo.
You mean like 'syd' ????
> Glad I jumped the ship before it sabotaged itself.
> The waters not so bad once you get used to it......
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> like Catholics who sin, confess, clear
> their conscience and turn around and repeat the sin.
I dated a catholic girl long ago, a slut at night, and then stepping through
the closet she was virginal again the next day.
A religion of convenience.
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| Notan 2005-12-27, 11:21 pm |
| Don wrote:
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> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
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> I dated a catholic girl long ago, a slut at night, and then stepping through
> the closet she was virginal again the next day.
I dated a Jewish girl... Just the opposite!
Notan
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| "RicodJour"> wrote
> Don wrote:
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> That was a problem for you?!
Hell no, she was a slut of convenience!
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| > > PS: Some may reasonably argue that the moment the Roman Republic became[color=darkred]
What's a "social conscience"? How can a republic have one?
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| Marcello> wrote
> Nevertheless one still ought to ask, does
> the phrase 'do unto others as you would have them do to you' seem like
> a decent paradigm to go by? I believe so, even though I myself am a
> panantheist of sorts (no religious affiliation). And in that sense, the
> words attributed to Christ have real personal / moral value.
Good one.
It doesn't matter to me to what those words are attributed, they are the
essence of all humans.
I'm agnostic and believe words have concrete meaning.
Unfortunately, some will dismiss those words outright because of the
assumption they are rooted in religion.
They have blinded themselves to the larger picture.
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| "gruhn"> wrote
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> What's a "social conscience"? How can a republic have one?
That would be a *concept* rather than a *reality*.
The *moment* Marcello mentioned was not a particular time but a series of
movements which resulted in overall change, to the worse, for that
*concept*.
I don't think this thing can be changed, it is going to do what it always
does, and all anyone can do is hang on and try to stay out of the way.
Observing history in realtime.......
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| "RicodJour"> wrote
> marcenmoni wrote:
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> Rome wasn't built in a day, but it became an empire in a single moment?
Well, you must first define the word *empire*, then you can determine when
that actual *moment* occurred.
Surely an act, or action, or maybe a series of, happened that caused the
irreversible change.
Has this *moment* already occurred in the US?
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| Pierre Levesque, AIA 2005-12-28, 10:21 am |
| Do you know what the difference is between Catholic guilt and Jewish guilt?
Catholic guilt is being guilty for what you've done (You broke that window
you evil little brat!)
Jewish guilt is being guilty for what you HAVEN'T done (You could have been
a doctor! A lawyer! OyVey!)
"Notan" <notan@ddress.com> wrote in message
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> Don wrote:
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> I dated a Jewish girl... Just the opposite!
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> Notan
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| Notan 2005-12-28, 11:21 am |
| "Pierre Levesque, AIA" wrote:
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> Do you know what the difference is between Catholic guilt and Jewish guilt?
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> Catholic guilt is being guilty for what you've done (You broke that window
> you evil little brat!)
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> Jewish guilt is being guilty for what you HAVEN'T done (You could have been
> a doctor! A lawyer! OyVey!)
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Along the same lines, I was once told that "Jews are born with guilt,
Catholics learn it in school." <g>
Notan
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| Marcello> wrote
> But my observation is more of a cultural one; after all, the public
> must be willing to accept someone as an emperor,
You can go ahead and leave me out of that equation.
> and I think that when that happens,
The end is not too far off.
Only individuals deserve freedom.
Herds deserve cages.
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