|
Home > Archive > Architecture > September 2005 > Moving (was Re: Sill Seal)
You are viewing an archived Text-only version of the thread.
To view this thread in it's original format and/or if you want to reply to
this thread please [click here]
| Author |
Moving (was Re: Sill Seal)
|
|
| Bob Morrison 2005-09-13, 9:21 pm |
| In a previous post Don wrote...
> Yup. May go up there later this week. Still workin the details.
> You can still get acreage in whats called the *Little Smokies* there for a
> reasonably price.
> I gotta get me some woods, some terrain, some cold, and some of that white
> stuff all over the ground.
> I haven't seen snow in person since xmas 1984 and I can hardly believe it.
> Been here in gator country so long I piss sand and shit starfishes. heh-heh
>
Don:
I know it's a long way to move, but you might consider the Pacific NW.
Lots of new houses being built and if you are in the Puget sound Basin the
snow is only an hour & half away.
Or there is the desert of eastern Washington unless you are in the apple
country of central Washington. Most of the moisture falls in the winter
in the from of snow --- total precip is 17-18 inches.
For a little larger city look at Bend OR (about 50,000 people), has a
small college and Mt Bachelor is a short hop away.
--
Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA
| |
| RicodJour 2005-09-13, 10:21 pm |
|
Bob Morrison wrote:
> In a previous post Don wrote...
>
> Don:
>
> I know it's a long way to move, but you might consider the Pacific NW.
> Lots of new houses being built and if you are in the Puget sound Basin the
> snow is only an hour & half away.
>
> Or there is the desert of eastern Washington unless you are in the apple
> country of central Washington. Most of the moisture falls in the winter
> in the from of snow --- total precip is 17-18 inches.
>
> For a little larger city look at Bend OR (about 50,000 people), has a
> small college and Mt Bachelor is a short hop away.
>
> --
> Bob Morrison, PE, SE
> R L Morrison Engineering Co
> Structural & Civil Engineering............& Realty ;)
> Poulsbo WA
| |
|
| "Bob Morrison"> wrote
> In a previous post Don wrote...
>
> Don:
>
> I know it's a long way to move, but you might consider the Pacific NW.
> Lots of new houses being built and if you are in the Puget sound Basin the
> snow is only an hour & half away.
>
> Or there is the desert of eastern Washington unless you are in the apple
> country of central Washington. Most of the moisture falls in the winter
> in the from of snow --- total precip is 17-18 inches.
>
> For a little larger city look at Bend OR (about 50,000 people), has a
> small college and Mt Bachelor is a short hop away.
Thanks for the invite, Bob.
I've been to Washington and to Oregon, phenomenal places, both.
I drove past Mt St Helens on I think I80 or I90 *while it was going down*
back in early 1980, maybe April.
While the highway was prolly about 30 miles or so from the site MSH was
clearly visible across the vast expanse of valley.
Spent a little time in the Sea-Tac area.
In my migration from Alaska to Los Angeles I flew from Anchorage to Seattle,
then rode a bus to Portland Or.
From there, with $6 in my pocket, I hitchhiked to LA.
Took me 5 days on I5 and PCH.
The redwoods in the Del Norte Forest are etched in my brain forever.
Anyway I guess I should have mentioned my wife is from Indy so I'm sort of
being drawn to that area, if you know what I mean.
My own family is scattered to the winds so there is no real allegiance
there.
She can have her family as long as I get my woods, and snow.
Compromise.....the single route to a successful human relationship.....
;-)
| |
|
| "RicodJour"> wrote[color=darkred]
:-)
| |
| RicodJour 2005-09-14, 12:21 am |
|
Don wrote:
>
> Compromise.....the single route to a successful human relationship.....
Much like good government.
R
| |
|
| "RicodJour"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> Much like good government.
Contradiction.
| |
| Pierre Levesque, AIA 2005-09-14, 11:21 am |
| Plenty of places between Indy and Fla with woods and hills... There are also
plenty of places between Indy and the Northeast if snow is very important...
And lord knows I've posted plenty of pics of the Catskills area with its
snow, mountains, woods etc...
"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
news:LNLVe.11510$_84.10313@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> "Bob Morrison"> wrote
>
> Thanks for the invite, Bob.
> I've been to Washington and to Oregon, phenomenal places, both.
> I drove past Mt St Helens on I think I80 or I90 *while it was going down*
> back in early 1980, maybe April.
> While the highway was prolly about 30 miles or so from the site MSH was
> clearly visible across the vast expanse of valley.
> Spent a little time in the Sea-Tac area.
> In my migration from Alaska to Los Angeles I flew from Anchorage to
> Seattle, then rode a bus to Portland Or.
> From there, with $6 in my pocket, I hitchhiked to LA.
> Took me 5 days on I5 and PCH.
> The redwoods in the Del Norte Forest are etched in my brain forever.
> Anyway I guess I should have mentioned my wife is from Indy so I'm sort of
> being drawn to that area, if you know what I mean.
> My own family is scattered to the winds so there is no real allegiance
> there.
> She can have her family as long as I get my woods, and snow.
> Compromise.....the single route to a successful human relationship.....
> ;-)
>
| |
|
| Money is an issue too.
The vacant lots on either side of me are going for $90k right now, 80'x125',
1/4 acre.
We purchased our lot back in 2001 for $3500.
I'm amazed at how everything has went up around here, so purchasing acreage
around here is out of the question.
When I started my search for acreage a year ago I was finding astounding
prices everywhere.
Land is expensive stuff!
But southern Indiana seems to have been somewhat frozen in time.
I have narrowed my list to 5 properties I will be perusing in person in the
range of 6 to 86 acres.
All of them have a home of some sort and some have what I call out
building(s).
All are priced between $129k and $175k.
Say, another $100k to renovate the main house and build my detached
office/workshop (will do all of the work myself, or most of it) and we'll
still be way less expensive than around here and have decent acreage to
boot.
Believe me, I'm not going into this thing uneducated nor without extreme
apprehension. LOL
I may come running back in a year, broke, and with my tail between my legs.
So I have to stay focused on the goal rather than the obstacles.......
"Pierre Levesque, AIA" <pierrelevesqueNOSPAM@connarch.com> wrote in message
news:_vVVe.22317$Qv6.3936@trndny04...
> Plenty of places between Indy and Fla with woods and hills... There are
> also plenty of places between Indy and the Northeast if snow is very
> important...
>
> And lord knows I've posted plenty of pics of the Catskills area with its
> snow, mountains, woods etc...
>
> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
> news:LNLVe.11510$_84.10313@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
>
| |
| RicodJour 2005-09-14, 1:21 pm |
|
Don wrote:
> Money is an issue too.
> The vacant lots on either side of me are going for $90k right now, 80'x125',
> 1/4 acre.
> We purchased our lot back in 2001 for $3500.
> I'm amazed at how everything has went up around here, so purchasing acreage
> around here is out of the question.
> When I started my search for acreage a year ago I was finding astounding
> prices everywhere.
> Land is expensive stuff!
If you're basing the relative expense on the area, it may seem
expensive, but you're actually buying a volume. You have to figure the
depth and height of the property as well. It averages out to something
like $0.0000001/CF. Pretty cheap if you ask me! Make sure to get the
deepest property with the most atmosphere above it. You'll do fine.
> But southern Indiana seems to have been somewhat frozen in time.
> I have narrowed my list to 5 properties I will be perusing in person in the
> range of 6 to 86 acres.
> All of them have a home of some sort and some have what I call out
> building(s).
> All are priced between $129k and $175k.
> Say, another $100k to renovate the main house and build my detached
> office/workshop (will do all of the work myself, or most of it) and we'll
> still be way less expensive than around here and have decent acreage to
> boot.
Who are you going to get to design it?
It's like what they say about lawyers - if you represent yourself you
have a fool for a lawyer. If you design it yourself... ;)
I wonder if you'll be building subterranean housing/tunnels on the
property. Don's Underground Railroad - helping individuals escape The
Man since 2006.
> Believe me, I'm not going into this thing uneducated nor without extreme
> apprehension. LOL
> I may come running back in a year, broke, and with my tail between my legs.
> So I have to stay focused on the goal rather than the obstacles.......
Right. Focus on the positive. Good luck with it.
R
| |
| Pierre Levesque, AIA 2005-09-14, 1:21 pm |
| Typical vacant land in the Cats goes for about $8-10K/acre these days. Go
30 miles east across the Hudson river and that cost goes up to
$100-200K/acre. It looks like the prices pretty well stay around the former
as yopu go westward through western NY, Ohio, Penn, Indiana etc...
13 years ago when we bought our little 100 acre piece we paid $85K for the
whole thing... that's $850.00/acre... makes me sing WooHooYippyYippyDoo
"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
news:LPWVe.12163$FW1.3639@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Money is an issue too.
> The vacant lots on either side of me are going for $90k right now,
> 80'x125', 1/4 acre.
> We purchased our lot back in 2001 for $3500.
> I'm amazed at how everything has went up around here, so purchasing
> acreage around here is out of the question.
> When I started my search for acreage a year ago I was finding astounding
> prices everywhere.
> Land is expensive stuff!
> But southern Indiana seems to have been somewhat frozen in time.
> I have narrowed my list to 5 properties I will be perusing in person in
> the range of 6 to 86 acres.
> All of them have a home of some sort and some have what I call out
> building(s).
> All are priced between $129k and $175k.
> Say, another $100k to renovate the main house and build my detached
> office/workshop (will do all of the work myself, or most of it) and we'll
> still be way less expensive than around here and have decent acreage to
> boot.
> Believe me, I'm not going into this thing uneducated nor without extreme
> apprehension. LOL
> I may come running back in a year, broke, and with my tail between my
> legs.
> So I have to stay focused on the goal rather than the obstacles.......
>
> "Pierre Levesque, AIA" <pierrelevesqueNOSPAM@connarch.com> wrote in
> message news:_vVVe.22317$Qv6.3936@trndny04...
>
>
| |
|
| "RicodJour"> wrote
> Who are you going to get to design it?
>
> It's like what they say about lawyers - if you represent yourself you
> have a fool for a lawyer. If you design it yourself... ;)
Well, we'll find out pretty soon if thats true for designers. :-)
> I wonder if you'll be building subterranean housing/tunnels on the
> property. Don's Underground Railroad - helping individuals escape The
> Man since 2006.
Nah, I expect to continue to do my message on the internet and let people
control their physical stuff as they see fit.
Sort of a variation on that saying, "Kill the head and the body will die".
"Convince the head and the body will follow."
>
> Right. Focus on the positive. Good luck with it.
Thanks.
| |
|
| "Pierre Levesque, AIA"> wrote
> 13 years ago when we bought our little 100 acre piece we paid $85K for the
> whole thing... that's $850.00/acre... makes me sing WooHooYippyYippyDoo
Excellent deal, now if you can just get that cool crib stood up on it, the
one with the curved roof.
I like that one!
Is that the land with the stream/creek that flooded?
| |
|
| "Pierre Levesque, AIA"> wrote
> It looks like the prices pretty well stay around the former as yopu go
> westward through western NY, Ohio, Penn, Indiana etc...
I was looking at land around Carlisle, PA, where I'm originally from (a
stones throw north of Gettysburg) and there aren't any price breaks there.
$30-50 / acre.
I have lots of family members there that have acreage but they all bought it
back in the 70s and 80s when it was still reasonable.
| |
| Pierre Levesque, AIA 2005-09-14, 7:21 pm |
| Yep. The one that floods every year to one degree or another. The April 2
flood was the biggest one in 10 years and led to the creek going through the
neighborhood. Believe it or not, the neighbors and organized strongly
enough top get the local pols to do something about the creek.
Although my property was virtually unaffected by the flooding, any diversion
away from the neighborhood has to start at my property and required my
permission to make changes. Rather than let some Army Corps type come up
with a plan, I offered to provide historical information on past floods and
a proposal to restore the creek back to its pre-1996 streambed (the last by
flood that caused the initial movement towards the neighborhood). I
gathered USGS topo maps from 1906, 1936, 1960 and photo-reinspection from
1996 to show that the creek used to be stable, made a few sketches and was
able to get a State DEC permit to get a local contractor to re-divert the
creek to that old streamflow... so long as the work gets done by September
30, the "official" date for when the rains come back and start to fill the
creek up.
Last Saturday, the work started.
Check it out the report I sent the parties involved:
-----------------
Last Saturday, Clark Van Etten started the work to move the creek to divert
the water towards the turn where there are Gabion baskets and Rip Rap along
Rte 47.
The goal of the project is to restore the creek streambed to the location
where it used to flow (blue line/arrow) back to the pre-1990 location as
shown in this aerial photograph: http://tinyurl.com/7cmn6
The green line/arrow is where it currently flows.
The red line/arrow shows the creek direction after the 1996 flood rip-rap
work as shown in this photo:
http://tinyurl.com/7r94n
Here are photographs from the first day of work.
http://tinyurl.com/exh9u
The photographs essentially show how the path was created by first removing
the brush near the "bush in the center of the creek" between Catherine's and
our property and then pulling that brush down towards the turn next to Rte
47. By pulling material out and building a new embankment to make the new
streambed, Clark will continue this along the cleared path until he reaches
the existing streambed at the start (top/upstream) point. At the top of the
new streambed he will "connect' the old and new streambed and provide a bank
that should hold future floods for years to come.
I will return at the end of this week to see the finished work and help
assess if the cut and fill work of the creek and new embankment appears
sufficient based on my historical knowledge of water levels and the behavior
of the creek during floods.
Here is a video of the work (please excuse the quality, iy was made with my
cell phone)http://tinyurl.com/9su6t
PS 1 the pics of the flood and others are in this directory
http://tinyurl.com/an8tw
PS 2 though I'm in no hurry to build the crib w/ the gluelams, my wife
started crunching numbers for a construction loan to build the thing...
"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
news:oeYVe.11701$_84.9831@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> "Pierre Levesque, AIA"> wrote
>
> Excellent deal, now if you can just get that cool crib stood up on it, the
> one with the curved roof.
> I like that one!
> Is that the land with the stream/creek that flooded?
>
| |
|
| Glad you didn't let the COE get involved, it would have been a nightmare for
sure and taken years to rectify.
I'm sort of surprised they *let* you take charge like that.
They're much more firmly entrenched around here.
Re: That sketch. Holy cow! I hope someone knows whats going on with all that
stuff! LOL
Video cellphone? Which one do you have?
Yeah, the quality wasn't nothing to write home about but it would be
acceptable for emergencies, etc.
I wanna see that house get built, just exactly like you've drawn it.
Its that roof that knocks me out, but its also the combination and placement
of the materials and the way the whole thing sort of flows and balances.
And then to plop it down in the woods like that. Man.
It'll be expensive, but if its what you want and can afford it, go for it!
I sure would.
"Pierre Levesque, AIA"> wrote
> Yep. The one that floods every year to one degree or another. The April
> 2 flood was the biggest one in 10 years and led to the creek going through
> the neighborhood. Believe it or not, the neighbors and organized strongly
> enough top get the local pols to do something about the creek.
>
> Although my property was virtually unaffected by the flooding, any
> diversion away from the neighborhood has to start at my property and
> required my permission to make changes. Rather than let some Army Corps
> type come up with a plan, I offered to provide historical information on
> past floods and a proposal to restore the creek back to its pre-1996
> streambed (the last by flood that caused the initial movement towards the
> neighborhood). I gathered USGS topo maps from 1906, 1936, 1960 and
> photo-reinspection from 1996 to show that the creek used to be stable,
> made a few sketches and was able to get a State DEC permit to get a local
> contractor to re-divert the creek to that old streamflow... so long as the
> work gets done by September 30, the "official" date for when the rains
> come back and start to fill the creek up.
>
> Last Saturday, the work started.
>
> Check it out the report I sent the parties involved:
> -----------------
> Last Saturday, Clark Van Etten started the work to move the creek to
> divert the water towards the turn where there are Gabion baskets and Rip
> Rap along Rte 47.
>
> The goal of the project is to restore the creek streambed to the location
> where it used to flow (blue line/arrow) back to the pre-1990 location as
> shown in this aerial photograph: http://tinyurl.com/7cmn6
> The green line/arrow is where it currently flows.
>
> The red line/arrow shows the creek direction after the 1996 flood rip-rap
> work as shown in this photo:
> http://tinyurl.com/7r94n
>
> Here are photographs from the first day of work.
> http://tinyurl.com/exh9u
>
> The photographs essentially show how the path was created by first
> removing the brush near the "bush in the center of the creek" between
> Catherine's and our property and then pulling that brush down towards the
> turn next to Rte 47. By pulling material out and building a new embankment
> to make the new streambed, Clark will continue this along the cleared path
> until he reaches the existing streambed at the start (top/upstream) point.
> At the top of the new streambed he will "connect' the old and new
> streambed and provide a bank that should hold future floods for years to
> come.
>
> I will return at the end of this week to see the finished work and help
> assess if the cut and fill work of the creek and new embankment appears
> sufficient based on my historical knowledge of water levels and the
> behavior of the creek during floods.
>
> Here is a video of the work (please excuse the quality, iy was made with
> my cell phone)http://tinyurl.com/9su6t
>
> PS 1 the pics of the flood and others are in this directory
> http://tinyurl.com/an8tw
>
> PS 2 though I'm in no hurry to build the crib w/ the gluelams, my wife
> started crunching numbers for a construction loan to build the thing...
>
> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
> news:oeYVe.11701$_84.9831@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
>
| |
| Pierre Levesque, AIA 2005-09-14, 8:21 pm |
| Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
news:T41We.11680$9i4.4029@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Glad you didn't let the COE get involved, it would have been a nightmare
> for sure and taken years to rectify.
> I'm sort of surprised they *let* you take charge like that.
> They're much more firmly entrenched around here.
Actually, the pols were played like a finely tuned fiddle. Shortly after
the flood in April a few State level pols came around with the town
supervisor (as equal to a mayor out town has) and some FEMA folks. One of
the neighbors managed to get a promise from a state assemblyman to meet at a
later date to "show how the creek's beed creeping closer and closer to their
homes over the years"
We had that meeting with the assemblyman and got him onboard to believing
that the creek could be relocated fairly inexpensively now rather than in a
few years. He agreed to sign any letter we sent to the Governors office and
to the Feds. One letter written to Hillary's office was returned with the
same promise... to sign any other letter we might send out.
They weren't needed. When I presented my plan to the local DEC (Department
of Environmental Conservation), the guy issuing the permits had copies of
all those letters and since they were all from people above him, immediately
issued the permit providing a few basic requirements were met. The rest, as
they say, is history.
>
> Re: That sketch. Holy cow! I hope someone knows whats going on with all
> that stuff! LOL
That sketch was purposefully chocked and overloaded with information so that
it would be REQUIRED that I meet with whoever looked at it for personal
explanation and description. Worked wonders with the assemblyman meeting.
>
> Video cellphone? Which one do you have?
> Yeah, the quality wasn't nothing to write home about but it would be
> acceptable for emergencies, etc.
It's the TREO 600. Only 160 DPI. The newer 650 has double the DPI and
resolution but I won't be getting it until my contract runs out in 3 months.
Will save about $200 by "upgrading"
>
> I wanna see that house get built, just exactly like you've drawn it.
> Its that roof that knocks me out, but its also the combination and
> placement of the materials and the way the whole thing sort of flows and
> balances.
> And then to plop it down in the woods like that. Man.
> It'll be expensive, but if its what you want and can afford it, go for it!
> I sure would.
It's changed a bit (for the better) but for the most part it's still the
same.
http://tinyurl.com/77tm5
http://tinyurl.com/8zlwn
>
>
> "Pierre Levesque, AIA"> wrote
>
>
| |
|
| "Pierre Levesque, AIA"> wrote
>
> It's changed a bit (for the better) but for the most part it's still the
> same.
> http://tinyurl.com/77tm5
> http://tinyurl.com/8zlwn
OK, I just looked it over pretty good, its not that big, so maybe it won't
be as expensive as I thought.
What, maybe 1000 sf?
There's only 1 BR right, down on the 1st floor, on the left?
You got some nice stuff going on all over the place on that thing so while
over all it may not be very expensive, for its size it will be.
Maybe in the $200-250 / ft range?
| |
| RicodJour 2005-09-14, 11:21 pm |
|
Pierre Levesque, AIA wrote:
> Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
>
>
> It's the TREO 600. Only 160 DPI. The newer 650 has double the DPI and
> resolution but I won't be getting it until my contract runs out in 3 months.
> Will save about $200 by "upgrading"
That video was kinda unsettling. It was jerky in an odd way. Almost
made me feel nauseous! I could see how it would be a useful tool, but
I wouldn't want to have to look at that video too often/long.
Nice area and sketches. You used one of those thin, long and yellow
computers for the sketches, right? I didn't know you could still get
software for them.
R
| |
| Pierre Levesque, AIA 2005-09-14, 11:21 pm |
| Depends on a lot of stuff... That hot tub and patio ain't cheap... That
loft and bridge and interior bookcases and glasswork ain't cheap... That
polycarbonate panelling ain't cheap.... That stairway and exterior tower
ain't cheap... Those windows aren'y cheap... That maple ply wrapped 2
sided fireplace ain't cheap... gluelams ain't cheap...
On the other hand, I'll be building it myself as well as doing all the
stonework and landscaping. The rest is pretty minimalist and basic...
painted pine bases, painted drywall, standard tile and bathroom accessories,
simple plumbing...
So yeah, even by building it myself I expect it to be in that $200/250 SF
range. Good thing too 'cuz if I were contracting it out it'be in the
$300/350 SF range
The SF is about 800FT/FL but don't forget that there's the loft and library.
There are actually 2 bedrooms... the one the main floor and the guest
bedroom below that.
I have a GC friend that really wants to build it so depending on future
prospects and future $$$ I might just reel in all my favors and let him do
it... He has a few good ideas and he too is owed a few favors (mech eng and
electrical) so he wants to pass some of those savings on in exchange/barter
for a set amount amount of use of that guest suite.
One of those things he wants to push is an offsite heat exchanger/boiler
plant (up in the woods a few dozen feey away). I'm starting to warm up (no
pun intended) to that idea... :^)
"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
news:4A3We.12414$FW1.11131@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> "Pierre Levesque, AIA"> wrote
>
> OK, I just looked it over pretty good, its not that big, so maybe it won't
> be as expensive as I thought.
> What, maybe 1000 sf?
> There's only 1 BR right, down on the 1st floor, on the left?
> You got some nice stuff going on all over the place on that thing so while
> over all it may not be very expensive, for its size it will be.
> Maybe in the $200-250 / ft range?
>
| |
| Pierre Levesque, AIA 2005-09-14, 11:21 pm |
| > You used one of those thin, long and yellow
> computers for the sketches, right?
LOL... hell no, I use a long and plastic one with ink in it...
"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
news:1126748193.910358.232950@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
> Pierre Levesque, AIA wrote:
>
> That video was kinda unsettling. It was jerky in an odd way. Almost
> made me feel nauseous! I could see how it would be a useful tool, but
> I wouldn't want to have to look at that video too often/long.
>
> Nice area and sketches. You used one of those thin, long and yellow
> computers for the sketches, right? I didn't know you could still get
> software for them.
>
> R
>
| |
| RicodJour 2005-09-15, 2:21 am |
| Pierre Levesque, AIA wrote:
> "RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
>
> LOL... hell no, I use a long and plastic one with ink in it...
Damn. I want one of those, but I'm waiting for the price to come down.
I hear they even have some that will, get this, work upside down!
R
| |
|
| "RicodJour"> wrote
> Pierre Levesque, AIA wrote:
>
> Damn. I want one of those, but I'm waiting for the price to come down.
> I hear they even have some that will, get this, work upside down!
Yeah, there's an old guy down in FL that gives them away.
All you gotta do in return is buy your father a Cadillac.
|
|
|
|
|