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| Notan 2005-09-27, 10:21 pm |
| "Former FEMA Head Blames Others for Hurricane Response Problems"
What a pathetic excuse for a human being.
Notan
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| 3D Peruna 2005-09-27, 11:21 pm |
| Notan wrote:
> "Former FEMA Head Blames Others for Hurricane Response Problems"
>
> What a pathetic excuse for a human being.
>
> Notan
>
Certainly...but he's not wrong.
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| P. Fritz 2005-09-27, 11:21 pm |
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"Notan" <notan@ddress.com> wrote in message
news:4339E506.D379706A@ddress.com...
> "Former FEMA Head Blames Others for Hurricane Response Problems"
And he is correct.....your point is?
>
> What a pathetic excuse for a human being.
>
> Notan
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| RicodJour 2005-09-27, 11:21 pm |
| 3D Peruna wrote:
> Notan wrote:
>
> Certainly...but he's not wrong.
As an old project manager was fond of saying, there's enough blame to
go around.
He's spinning it, so that's no surprise. He's a lawyer and a political
crony of an appointee, also no surprise.
R
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| "Notan"> wrote
> "Former FEMA Head Blames Others for Hurricane Response Problems"
>
> What a pathetic excuse for a human being.
The guy has been openly, and continuously, in acceptance of extorted funds
for years and you just now notice he has a flawed character?
What took so long?
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| Notan 2005-09-28, 12:21 am |
| Don wrote:
>
> "Notan"> wrote
>
> The guy has been openly, and continuously, in acceptance of extorted funds
> for years and you just now notice he has a flawed character?
> What took so long?
Who said I "just now" noticed?
Notan
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| Adam Weiss 2005-09-28, 2:21 am |
| RicodJour wrote:
> 3D Peruna wrote:
>
>
>
> As an old project manager was fond of saying, there's enough blame to
> go around.
>
And only by admitting to ones fuck ups, learning from them, and putting
those lessons to action the next time something happens can anyone move
forward.
> He's spinning it, so that's no surprise. He's a lawyer and a political
> crony of an appointee, also no surprise.
>
Of course he is.
But what's really dangerous about Michael Brown's behavior is that he's
actively impeding any effort to prevent the horrendous aftermath of
Katrina from happening again the next time a major hurricane hits that
region.
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| "Notan"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> Who said I "just now" noticed?
If you just now noticed the guy is criminal you don't need to feel ashamed.
I learn new stuff everyday.
(About 5 years ago I was against abortion, now I don't believe its any of my
business. Thats called *learning*)
But if you've known for a few years or more that he was criminal but are
only now voicing complaint upon recent revelation to his so called less than
acceptable job performance then shame on you.
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| Don wrote:
>
> "Notan"> wrote
>
> If you just now noticed the guy is criminal you don't need to feel ashamed.
> I learn new stuff everyday.
> (About 5 years ago I was against abortion, now I don't believe its any of my
> business. Thats called *learning*)
> But if you've known for a few years or more that he was criminal but are
> only now voicing complaint upon recent revelation to his so called less than
> acceptable job performance then shame on you.
Sorry, Don, you'll have to find someone else to "play with," today.
Have fun!
Notan
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| "Notan"> wrote
> Don wrote:
> Sorry, Don, you'll have to find someone else to "play with," today.
So, Mr Brown's recent behavior has caused you become emotional.
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| Kris Krieger 2005-09-28, 5:21 pm |
| Notan <notan@ddress.com> wrote in news:4339E506.D379706A@ddress.com:
> "Former FEMA Head Blames Others for Hurricane Response Problems"
>
> What a pathetic excuse for a human being.
You're being too kind. More like a pathetic waste of DNA.
Nobody anymore seems to have the cahones to just stand up and say, "Well,
to be honest, I accepted a job for which I was not qualified, and I screwed
up - if there is a positive effect from my situation, please let it be that
only qualified people will henceforth be given similar positions of great
responsibility".
But there are so few politicians or even businesspeople these days who are
actually Men. Or for that matter, Women. Most are snivelling, stunted,
frail creatures who never progressed mentally (or psychoemotionally) past
the onset of puberty.
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| Kris Krieger wrote:
>
> Notan <notan@ddress.com> wrote in news:4339E506.D379706A@ddress.com:
>
>
> You're being too kind. More like a pathetic waste of DNA.
>
> Nobody anymore seems to have the cahones to just stand up and say, "Well,
> to be honest, I accepted a job for which I was not qualified, and I screwed
> up - if there is a positive effect from my situation, please let it be that
> only qualified people will henceforth be given similar positions of great
> responsibility".
>
> But there are so few politicians or even businesspeople these days who are
> actually Men. Or for that matter, Women. Most are snivelling, stunted,
> frail creatures who never progressed mentally (or psychoemotionally) past
> the onset of puberty.
Mind you, he's *still* being paid his $148,000/yr salary.
If you, or I, ever failed so miserably at a civilian job,
we'd be out on our asses, looking for work, elsewhere.
Notan
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| "Kris Krieger"> wrote
> Nobody anymore seems to have the cahones to just stand up and say, "Well,
> to be honest, I accepted a job for which I was not qualified, and I
> screwed
> up -
Aw come on.
Who here wouldn't take on such a thing?
Challenge.
What would life be without challenge?
Mr Brown took on the challenge and due to unusual circumstances got caught
with his pants around his ankles.
Surprise!
Since when has experience and truthfullness ever been a requirement for a
gov't job?
Haven't you heard, people with NO experience (knot-haired minorities with 3"
purple fingernails) and the inability to make it on the *outside* are prime
candidates for gov't jobs? You don't have to do anything, you'll earn $18.27
an hour + long bennies, 22 paid holidays, 9 sick days, 6 months paternity
leave for each spawn, and free donuts all day long! You'll never be held
responsible for anything, never be fired or laid off, will make consistent
paltry raises, will receive thousands of meaningless awards for such things
as the 'Cleanest Desk - April', 'Most Diverse Employee', etc. Oh yeah, you
never have to DO anything!
Gov't employees all suffer from an inferiority complex.
*Little people, little minds, little goals.......*
--gs, 2005
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| Night_Seer 2005-09-29, 12:21 pm |
| Don wrote:
> "Kris Krieger"> wrote
>
>
>
> Aw come on.
> Who here wouldn't take on such a thing?
> Challenge.
> What would life be without challenge?
> Mr Brown took on the challenge and due to unusual circumstances got caught
> with his pants around his ankles.
> Surprise!
> Since when has experience and truthfullness ever been a requirement for a
> gov't job?
> Haven't you heard, people with NO experience (knot-haired minorities with 3"
> purple fingernails) and the inability to make it on the *outside* are prime
> candidates for gov't jobs? You don't have to do anything, you'll earn $18.27
> an hour + long bennies, 22 paid holidays, 9 sick days, 6 months paternity
> leave for each spawn, and free donuts all day long! You'll never be held
> responsible for anything, never be fired or laid off, will make consistent
> paltry raises, will receive thousands of meaningless awards for such things
> as the 'Cleanest Desk - April', 'Most Diverse Employee', etc. Oh yeah, you
> never have to DO anything!
>
> Gov't employees all suffer from an inferiority complex.
>
> *Little people, little minds, little goals.......*
> --gs, 2005
>
>
Or white-haired white-skinned blue-eyed men who inherited all their
money from daddy.
--
Edgar
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| Kris Krieger 2005-09-29, 2:21 pm |
| Notan <notan@ddress.com> wrote in news:433AF4E5.6AE7D246@ddress.com:
> Kris Krieger wrote:
>
> Mind you, he's *still* being paid his $148,000/yr salary.
Of course. He's a political crony of the Power Elite (oil whores). Why
would anyone expect anything different? Money talks. Justice is for sale.
You only pay for your crimes if you're one of the "little people".
> If you, or I, ever failed so miserably at a civilian job,
> we'd be out on our asses, looking for work, elsewhere.
>
> Notan
We'd prob. be in jail. And only after that, out on our asses trying to
find work elsewhere. We don't have the money to be corrupt enough to end
up being rewarded for our crimes and stupidities. America is an
Aristocracy, and oligarchy. Adams and Jefferson et al must be spinning in
their graves...
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| Kris Krieger 2005-09-29, 3:21 pm |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
news:B2G_e.6450$q1.6278@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:
> "Kris Krieger"> wrote
>
> Aw come on.
> Who here wouldn't take on such a thing?
> Challenge.
> What would life be without challenge?
> Mr Brown took on the challenge and due to unusual circumstances got
> caught with his pants around his ankles.
> Surprise!
I know you're being sarcastic (it's almost impossible to not be). But in
truth, the people who would be capable of accepting such a challenge would
*never* be given it. Never.
It's like an orchestra. After leaving classical guitar, I took on the
oboe, and became proficient enough to again thin about a career in music -
but my teacher told me something interesting, whcih I later learned held
true universally. She said, "The first oboist has a say over who will be
hired as the second oboist. So, before you audition, spend time studying
the performances of both the second oboist and the first oboist - the trick
is to be better than the second, but not so good that the first oboist
perceives you as a threat, because a threat will not be hired."
That is why stupidity reigns. The idiots and crooks in charge will *NEVER*
hire, or appoint, *anyone* for or to a position who is percieved as being a
threat to the status quo - they'll *ALWAYS* hire or appoint people who are
also idiots and crooks, and most especially, people who are more idiotic
and more crooked.
This holds true in gov.t, corporations, and any other realm of human
affairs.
The only way for an intelligent person to get anywhere is to realize at a
very young age (i.e., grade school) that they have to *pretend* to be an
idiot, or at least a semi-idiot, and learn to suck up to idiots, and only
after years of that, make the big power move.
Society is created by, and exists for, idiots. That's why, starting with
cartoons for the youngest children and through to popular movies, it's
always the "evil professor/scientist", or at best, the "bungling
professor/scientist", and very *very* rarely the "competent and concerned
solution-finding professor/scientist". America was founded by intelligent
people, and in the early years, democracy was understood to demand a
certain level of intelligence and education and rational thought in order
for it to function. Now, however? Current society is anti-Intellectual.
the word "intellectual" has become a condemnation.
So why in bloody hell did and does *anyone* actually EXPECT <!!!> that a
gov.t entity such as FEMA is capable of actually *doing* anything at all?
People who sit around waiting for the gov.t, ot any other large entity, to
"help them", to "do the reconstruction", are fooling themselves.
Even if NO gets rebuilt, nobody with any brains will think that it will be
rebuilt so as to repopulate it with the poor. Or even the middle class,
which is seen as bieng nothing more than a donkey (a.k.a. XXX), a beast of
burden, by the Power Elite. And the only thing hte Power Elite will do
"for" anyone who isn't one of their own is give them a high colonic.
If anything, Brown will be promoted, or at least moved laterally because
he's one of their "good buddies".
> Since when has experience and truthfullness ever been a requirement
> for a gov't job?
> Haven't you heard, people with NO experience (knot-haired minorities
> with 3" purple fingernails) and the inability to make it on the
> *outside* are prime candidates for gov't jobs? You don't have to do
> anything, you'll earn $18.27 an hour + long bennies, 22 paid holidays,
> 9 sick days, 6 months paternity leave for each spawn, and free donuts
> all day long! You'll never be held responsible for anything, never be
> fired or laid off, will make consistent paltry raises, will receive
> thousands of meaningless awards for such things as the 'Cleanest Desk
> - April', 'Most Diverse Employee', etc. Oh yeah, you never have to DO
> anything!
I used to work for the gov.t, as I've mentioned, but the bureaucracy made
me sick. As I've said, you can be a top-notch analyst, you can have a
genius IQ and the ability to know what to do with it in terms of hunting
and ferreting out information and putting it together, your reports can
make it all the way to the NIE - and all it takes is ONE idiot politician
whining "Well I don't *believe* that!" to have all your work summarily
flushed down the toilet. And so what if the adversary nation falls and the
new reoprts reveal that everything you ever reported turned out to be
right. So the bloody hell what. You're still, to them, just a piece of
moldy lettuce that ends up in the landfill.
Not that corporations or most businesses are any better, because they are
not, but at least they pay more for one to pretend to be an idiot.
> Gov't employees all suffer from an inferiority complex.
No, Don, sorry but you are wrong on that one. It's completely the
opposite. The people who last are the ones who are so full of themselves
that there is no room in their thoughts for anything else.
It's the relatively few competent, hard-working gov.t employees who have
the inferiority complex.
> *Little people, little minds, little goals.......*
> --gs, 2005
Exactly. The world might be burning, but the main "goal" (both gov.t and
corporate) is nothing more than trying by any means to claw one's way up to
a "higher" bureaucratic level and gain and additional modicum of the
pathetic excuse for "power" and the extra allmighty Goddollars that the
promotion brings.
Such is the glory of the human species. In essence, no better than a
troupe of baboons with the ability to speak. The superior point of baboons
being that at least they have no pretensions of nobility - they simply are
what they are.
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| Kris Krieger 2005-09-29, 3:21 pm |
| Night_Seer <ecamacho4@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:433bfc2a$0$49009$14726298@news.sunsite.dk:
> Don wrote:
>
> Or white-haired white-skinned blue-eyed men who inherited all their
> money from daddy.
The vast majority of the Power Elite are indeed Caucasian, but that doesn't
mean all melanin-deficient people are part of the WASP Caucasian/Western-
European Power Elite.
I'm "white-skinned blue-eyed", but that's it - OK, yes, my 'daddy' did
finally relent and pay for me to go to University, so that is indeed a
blessing that I have never taken for granted, *but*, as for 'daddy's
money', well, as the son of a "stupid Slav" (i.e. non-WASP) immigrant, the
*only* money he had was what he slaved to earn and scrimped to save. And
my education was the last thing I got from my parents - once I hit 21,
nada, nichts, nichevo, zilch, zero. No inheritance, no gifts, no checks in
the Christmas cards (hell, no Christmas cards to begin with...). We've
managed to gain some level of comfort and a little bit of financial
security, not materially, nobody - not parents, and most certainly not
gov.t!, ever gave us so much as a wooden nickel.
The thing I hate is when people look at me and automatically ASSume I have
anything at all in common with the Power Elite other than being melanin-
deficient.
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| Night_Seer 2005-09-29, 4:21 pm |
| Kris Krieger wrote:
> Night_Seer <ecamacho4@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:433bfc2a$0$49009$14726298@news.sunsite.dk:
>
>
>
>
> The vast majority of the Power Elite are indeed Caucasian, but that doesn't
> mean all melanin-deficient people are part of the WASP Caucasian/Western-
> European Power Elite.
>
> I'm "white-skinned blue-eyed", but that's it - OK, yes, my 'daddy' did
> finally relent and pay for me to go to University, so that is indeed a
> blessing that I have never taken for granted, *but*, as for 'daddy's
> money', well, as the son of a "stupid Slav" (i.e. non-WASP) immigrant, the
> *only* money he had was what he slaved to earn and scrimped to save. And
> my education was the last thing I got from my parents - once I hit 21,
> nada, nichts, nichevo, zilch, zero. No inheritance, no gifts, no checks in
> the Christmas cards (hell, no Christmas cards to begin with...). We've
> managed to gain some level of comfort and a little bit of financial
> security, not materially, nobody - not parents, and most certainly not
> gov.t!, ever gave us so much as a wooden nickel.
>
> The thing I hate is when people look at me and automatically ASSume I have
> anything at all in common with the Power Elite other than being melanin-
> deficient.
And that my friend, was my whole point. Don over here decides to throw
around the word "minorities", and I'm gonna call him on it. My best
friend who I call my brother, is the whitest, blondest (but balding)
bluest eyed guy you can find, and he'd work stringing tennis rackets
before he ever worked for the power elite. I am half-Bolivian,
half-Guatemalan, son of a couple of once "illegal aliens" now perfectly
legal, now that they have their papers in order, working guy who
probably is much too close to working for the government for Don's
liking. Our firm designs schools  . We get paid by them, and we keep
the public education thing going, plus I'd lean more towards socialism
than anarchy any day of the week.
I'm just waiting for the day that Don finally decides to shit, cause I
need to go too. He says the day is coming soon.
--
Edgar
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| "Kris Krieger"> wrote
> The only way for an intelligent person to get anywhere is to realize at a
> very young age (i.e., grade school) that they have to *pretend* to be an
> idiot, or at least a semi-idiot, and learn to suck up to idiots, and only
> after years of that, make the big power move.
I've heard that a high percentage of gov't employees were honest and
trustworthy people BEFORE taking a gov't job, and did so believing they
could make a change. Well, the change was in them, upon confrontation of a
flawed system based on corruption their eyes glazed over and they went with
the flow.
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| "Night_Seer"> wrote
> Kris Krieger wrote:
>
> And that my friend, was my whole point. Don over here decides to throw
> around the word "minorities", and I'm gonna call him on it. My best
> friend who I call my brother, is the whitest, blondest (but balding)
> bluest eyed guy you can find, and he'd work stringing tennis rackets
> before he ever worked for the power elite. I am half-Bolivian,
> half-Guatemalan, son of a couple of once "illegal aliens" now perfectly
> legal, now that they have their papers in order, working guy who probably
> is much too close to working for the government for Don's liking. Our
> firm designs schools . We get paid by them, and we keep the public
> education thing going, plus I'd lean more towards socialism than anarchy
> any day of the week.
>
> I'm just waiting for the day that Don finally decides to shit, cause I
> need to go too. He says the day is coming soon.
Your attitude on minorities is so 80's and your view of gov't employees is
vacant.
Catch up.
Oh BTW: I was the lead designer on 3 public schools and several other large
gov't projects.
I too did a lot of stupid things in my youth.
In 20 years I will look back at now and consider myself youthful then.
Chase that around for awhile......
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| Don wrote:
> "Night_Seer"> wrote
>
>
>
> Your attitude on minorities is so 80's and your view of gov't employees is
> vacant.
> Catch up.
> Oh BTW: I was the lead designer on 3 public schools and several other large
> gov't projects.
> I too did a lot of stupid things in my youth.
> In 20 years I will look back at now and consider myself youthful then.
> Chase that around for awhile......
>
>
Oooh that one hurt Don, you called me so 80s. You'll pay for that one .
Seriously though, bigotry when out a while back too, why don't you try
catching up some time.
--
Edgar
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| Kris Krieger 2005-09-29, 9:21 pm |
| Night_Seer <ecamacho4@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:433c32fc$0$49021$14726298@news.sunsite.dk:
> Kris Krieger wrote:
>
> And that my friend, was my whole point.
Yeah, I just have a genetic-level drive to elaborate =:-o
> Don over here decides to
> throw around the word "minorities", and I'm gonna call him on it. My
> best friend who I call my brother, is the whitest, blondest (but
> balding) bluest eyed guy you can find, and he'd work stringing tennis
> rackets before he ever worked for the power elite. I am
> half-Bolivian, half-Guatemalan, son of a couple of once "illegal
> aliens" now perfectly legal, now that they have their papers in order,
> working guy who probably is much too close to working for the
> government for Don's liking. Our firm designs schools . We get
> paid by them, and we keep the public education thing going, plus I'd
> lean more towards socialism than anarchy any day of the week.
A lot of people have a history of struggle. I sometimes think that people
only become arrogant when they have never had to struggle because they are
living off the fruits of their grandparents' and/or great-granndparents'
sweat and tears.
There is a lot of blither about "white backlash" but, even tho' I defend my
Slavicness, I think that the "backlash" is largely absurd because, as I see
it, it's merely a matter of certain people being inexplicably terrified to
let others (who are different in some way) simply have and exercise their
Constitutionally-guaranteed rights and liberties. A lot of people try to
convince everyone else that Equal Rights, when exercised by melanin-
enriched peoples, somehow turn into "special rights", which IMO is at best
illogical. ((Things like quotas and so on are a separate topic, but I'll
just say that IMO, the intent was good although the implementation left
something to be desired.))
I was raised, as I've mentioned, by a very prejudicial, almost neo-Nazi,
mother, but she was (and still is) a total XXXXXXX at best, and I hate the
things she said and stood for, simply because I did actually read, and
actually believe in, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
Especially the foundational principle that we are *all* created equal. Not
identical - equal. IMO, everyone deserves to be treated with simple common
civility, even if their cultural background is totally different from one's
own. I do remember what it was like to be treated like dirt for no reason
other than the hatefulness of ignorent, arrogant fools, so even if I find
someone to be a little scary, I try to treat that person as civilly as
anyone else. It's not because I'm brave, it's not because I love my fellow
man, and it sure as hell is not because I'm a great person - I'm not. It
is a simple matter of trying to have something that at least remotely
resembles integrity and, if I'm lucky, perhaps even a modicum of honor - a
simple attempt to not be a total hypocrite.
Re: anarchy versus socialism, I'm not really for either. I think that the
Constitution was drafted because people did realize that small, isolated
groups/villages/tribes/clans can only achieve a certain level of comfort
and health, and can not defend themselves from a powerful invader. I also
think it recognizes that trade makes villages (et al) inter-dependent, and
that thterfore, what affects one directly, can affect another, or even many
others, either directly or indirectyl. Therefore, some sort of common laws
and agreements will be needed and, since it's impractical for all the
people of every village (et al) to attend a meeting to make decisions about
such things, the villages send representatives.
All that being said, I believe in *minimal* government, and maximum liberty
(so long as one person's freedoms aren't negatively impinging upon another
person's, as is so common today where the ultra-wealthy, a.k.a. the Power
Elite, have more liberties than do we "little people".
Socialism equals big government and big government is anti-Constitutional.
At the same time, small government is not the same as leaving people to rot
just because they're down on their luck.
My grip with socialism is that, as I saw it implemented in both Canada and
the US, it favors those who never worked over the working poor, who often
end up having less income and fewer benefits than those who never worked.
IOW, a socialist bureaucracy is far too easy to bilk. And from what I've
seen and experienced, socialism does not encourage excellence, but rather,
discourages it, because Big Bureaucracy cannot cope with exceptional
people.
In this regard, I have to agree with the ideas in "Atlas Shrugged". Hard
work should always be compensated, personal excellence should be reqarded
and encouraged, and laziness should be seen as the anathema it is.
**None** of that is to say that people who have problems - learning
difficulties, neurochemical imbalances, physical challenges, and the like -
are to be cast off, as so much of current society seems to do. Rather,
each person has some level of ability and talent, and a just society helps
*all* people to achieve their maximum level of ability. If some people
*choose* to refuse that help and that self-fulfillment, well, that's their
problem then, *not* everyone else's.
Socialism as implemented, OTOH, makes one person's laziness every person's
problem. The high taxes required actually discorage people from taking
positiohns of responsibility, because, for each dollar earned, more and
more is taken away, so achievement ends up being punished. I lived that
for 10 years, and it is not the way to form a progressive society.
> I'm just waiting for the day that Don finally decides to shit, cause I
> need to go too. He says the day is coming soon.
I don't understand...
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| Kris Krieger 2005-09-29, 9:21 pm |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
news:t8__e.6002$QE1.4676@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
> "Kris Krieger"> wrote
>
> I've heard that a high percentage of gov't employees were honest and
> trustworthy people BEFORE taking a gov't job, and did so believing
> they could make a change. Well, the change was in them, upon
> confrontation of a flawed system based on corruption their eyes glazed
> over and they went with the flow.
I just quit.
Which ended up being the equivalent of shooting myself in the foot, because
I looked for work for 9 yrs in Canada but, regardless of my "excellent
qualifications", I was never hired because I "only" had US work experience
and was "only" a Landed Immigrant and "only" a US citizen. Thank goodness
for Freelance Work. But after 10+ years in the Socialist Paradise, my
health had gone to hell and my professional life was nonexistent.
Principles never come cheap, it seems. Which would explain why so many
people tend to not bother with them.
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| Edgar 2005-09-29, 10:21 pm |
| Kris Krieger wrote:
> Night_Seer <ecamacho4@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:433c32fc$0$49021$14726298@news.sunsite.dk:
>
>
>
>
> Yeah, I just have a genetic-level drive to elaborate =:-o
>
>
>
>
> A lot of people have a history of struggle. I sometimes think that people
> only become arrogant when they have never had to struggle because they are
> living off the fruits of their grandparents' and/or great-granndparents'
> sweat and tears.
>
>
> There is a lot of blither about "white backlash" but, even tho' I defend my
> Slavicness, I think that the "backlash" is largely absurd because, as I see
> it, it's merely a matter of certain people being inexplicably terrified to
> let others (who are different in some way) simply have and exercise their
> Constitutionally-guaranteed rights and liberties. A lot of people try to
> convince everyone else that Equal Rights, when exercised by melanin-
> enriched peoples, somehow turn into "special rights", which IMO is at best
> illogical. ((Things like quotas and so on are a separate topic, but I'll
> just say that IMO, the intent was good although the implementation left
> something to be desired.))
>
> I was raised, as I've mentioned, by a very prejudicial, almost neo-Nazi,
> mother, but she was (and still is) a total XXXXXXX at best, and I hate the
> things she said and stood for, simply because I did actually read, and
> actually believe in, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
> Especially the foundational principle that we are *all* created equal. Not
> identical - equal. IMO, everyone deserves to be treated with simple common
> civility, even if their cultural background is totally different from one's
> own. I do remember what it was like to be treated like dirt for no reason
> other than the hatefulness of ignorent, arrogant fools, so even if I find
> someone to be a little scary, I try to treat that person as civilly as
> anyone else. It's not because I'm brave, it's not because I love my fellow
> man, and it sure as hell is not because I'm a great person - I'm not. It
> is a simple matter of trying to have something that at least remotely
> resembles integrity and, if I'm lucky, perhaps even a modicum of honor - a
> simple attempt to not be a total hypocrite.
>
>
> Re: anarchy versus socialism, I'm not really for either. I think that the
> Constitution was drafted because people did realize that small, isolated
> groups/villages/tribes/clans can only achieve a certain level of comfort
> and health, and can not defend themselves from a powerful invader. I also
> think it recognizes that trade makes villages (et al) inter-dependent, and
> that thterfore, what affects one directly, can affect another, or even many
> others, either directly or indirectyl. Therefore, some sort of common laws
> and agreements will be needed and, since it's impractical for all the
> people of every village (et al) to attend a meeting to make decisions about
> such things, the villages send representatives.
>
> All that being said, I believe in *minimal* government, and maximum liberty
> (so long as one person's freedoms aren't negatively impinging upon another
> person's, as is so common today where the ultra-wealthy, a.k.a. the Power
> Elite, have more liberties than do we "little people".
>
> Socialism equals big government and big government is anti-Constitutional.
> At the same time, small government is not the same as leaving people to rot
> just because they're down on their luck.
>
> My grip with socialism is that, as I saw it implemented in both Canada and
> the US, it favors those who never worked over the working poor, who often
> end up having less income and fewer benefits than those who never worked.
> IOW, a socialist bureaucracy is far too easy to bilk. And from what I've
> seen and experienced, socialism does not encourage excellence, but rather,
> discourages it, because Big Bureaucracy cannot cope with exceptional
> people.
>
> In this regard, I have to agree with the ideas in "Atlas Shrugged". Hard
> work should always be compensated, personal excellence should be reqarded
> and encouraged, and laziness should be seen as the anathema it is.
> **None** of that is to say that people who have problems - learning
> difficulties, neurochemical imbalances, physical challenges, and the like -
> are to be cast off, as so much of current society seems to do. Rather,
> each person has some level of ability and talent, and a just society helps
> *all* people to achieve their maximum level of ability. If some people
> *choose* to refuse that help and that self-fulfillment, well, that's their
> problem then, *not* everyone else's.
>
> Socialism as implemented, OTOH, makes one person's laziness every person's
> problem. The high taxes required actually discorage people from taking
> positiohns of responsibility, because, for each dollar earned, more and
> more is taken away, so achievement ends up being punished. I lived that
> for 10 years, and it is not the way to form a progressive society.
>
>
>
>
>
> I don't understand...
>
I agree with pretty much everything you say, and often find myself doing
so, thanks for your posts. One thing though, I still get those kind of
looks today, in many places, as do lots of people, including whites
walking around in Compton.
As for Socialism/Anarchy, I would prefer one or the other in a Utopia
maybe, but I think reality deems otherwise. I liked Atlas Shrugged's
message, but it also dealt in a unrealistic world I think, where the
extremes are emphasized more than the real middle ground. In everything
I read and see, I always think of the people on the side, and what they
are doing, outside of the main character. I often do that wondering
where people right next to me driving might be headed too, just wondering.
I think there is a lot of problems with our government right now, and
has been for a long time, but I think they can be fixed, and made
better. We humans are in fact still babies in the whole scheme of
things. We have to either grow and become better or die off, guess
which one I choose . I still think at the very least, the government
should provide for the things that shouldn't have a price tag put on
them, like life, and health. Beauracracy and laziness like you say, is
the real problem, not the system.
I fall into a more Buddhist idea of a sense of balance, following the
middle way. Nature is one of the best teachers of that. My dream is to
do the same with architecture some day.
As for my last line...have you ever heard the old saying:
"Shit or get off the pot."
--
Edgar
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| "Edgar"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> Oooh that one hurt Don, you called me so 80s. You'll pay for that one .
>
> Seriously though, bigotry when out a while back too, why don't you try
> catching up some time.
Get back with me when you learn what bigotry means.
Less than 10 mins ago I was dining with several, ahem, *minorities* here in
my office.
We had chicken and steak fajita's and they were awesome.
Guess what, none of them had 3" purple nails nor did they have the time to
tie knots in their hair and they didn't waste their lives on the gov't
clock.
BTW: These folks were filthy, sweaty and could barely speak english and it
wouldn't surprise me if they were *illegal*, none of which bother me at all
because they were hard working honest folks.
*You see it's not the skin color that defines the man, but rather his
character.*
--gs, 2005
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| "Edgar"> wrote
> As for my last line...have you ever heard the old saying:
>
> "Shit or get off the pot."
I'm one step closer to it right now.
Long range goal: to be living elsewhere by xmas.
Eventually, I won't *exist* anymore.
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| Edgar 2005-09-30, 12:21 pm |
| Don wrote:
> "Edgar"> wrote
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> Get back with me when you learn what bigotry means.
> Less than 10 mins ago I was dining with several, ahem, *minorities* here in
> my office.
> We had chicken and steak fajita's and they were awesome.
> Guess what, none of them had 3" purple nails nor did they have the time to
> tie knots in their hair and they didn't waste their lives on the gov't
> clock.
> BTW: These folks were filthy, sweaty and could barely speak english and it
> wouldn't surprise me if they were *illegal*, none of which bother me at all
> because they were hard working honest folks.
>
> *You see it's not the skin color that defines the man, but rather his
> character.*
> --gs, 2005
>
>
HAHAHAHAH...you know that is exactly what I did before I even bothered
to use the word bigot. Let me show you:
A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions
differing from his own.
fits pretty well I would say.
--
Edgar
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| Edgar 2005-09-30, 12:21 pm |
| Don wrote:
> "Edgar"> wrote
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> I'm one step closer to it right now.
> Long range goal: to be living elsewhere by xmas.
> Eventually, I won't *exist* anymore.
>
>
I hope you mean outside the US, otherwise it don't mean a damn thing.
--
Edgar
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| "Edgar"> wrote
> Don wrote:
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> I hope you mean outside the US, otherwise it don't mean a damn thing.
Like the word *bigotry* you seem to have your own meaning for the word
*exist*.
Why am I not surprised?
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| "Edgar"> wrote
> Don wrote:
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> HAHAHAHAH...you know that is exactly what I did before I even bothered to
> use the word bigot. Let me show you:
He looks it up and STILL gets it wrong.
> A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing
> from his own.
>
> fits pretty well I would say.
Of course you would.
You describe a condition, then you make words to fit it.
jethro klintin was an expert at that sort of thing.
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| Don wrote:
> "Edgar"> wrote
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> He looks it up and STILL gets it wrong.
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> Of course you would.
> You describe a condition, then you make words to fit it.
> jethro klintin was an expert at that sort of thing.
>
>
Hey, I just went to google and hit define:bigot...its not perfect, but
it works. Of course you would always asign some sort of underlying evil
to anything anyone does that doesn't fit into your views. Here you go
buddy, since everyone around here always has to do the work for you
http://www.askoxford.com/results/?v...er=score%2Cname
or
http://tinyurl.com/85qta
if that's not good enough for you, then fuck off.
Still fits perfectly if you ask me.
--
Edgar
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| Don wrote:
> "Edgar"> wrote
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> Like the word *bigotry* you seem to have your own meaning for the word
> *exist*.
> Why am I not surprised?
>
>
Always the good hypocrite.
--
Edgar
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> if that's not good enough for you, then fuck off.
thank you
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