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Revolution (was Re: WTC packed with explosives, blown to smithereens - say 73 leading scientists)
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| Warm Worm 2006-10-03, 3:25 am |
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<landnotloans@hotmail.com> wrote
> Don T. wrote:
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> Dictators like Saddam Hussein have always used nepotism to protect
> their secrets and maintain control.
Check out cronyism too.
> Like a dictatorship, the inner cabal that directs the actions of the Bush
> administration uses the same
> tactics to confuse the public and conceal the truth of 9/11.
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> Dictators have always employed nepotism, the placing of family members
> in key positions, for one simple reason: only loyal family members can
> be trusted with the secrets that keep them in power. For this reason
> the shameless nepotism of the Bush administration should alarm
> Americans because
> it indicates that a dictatorship is encroaching upon the United States.
From my Canadian perspective it already appears well-entrenched.
And my information-sources sorely tempt me to consider the U(?)S government
as essentially amounting to no more than a corrupt 3rd.-world dictatorship
with world-class weaponry.
" 'Crony capitalism' or 'crapitalism' is a pejorative term describing an
allegedly capitalist economy in which success in business depends on an
extremely close relationship between the businessman and the state
institutions of politics and government, rather than by the espoused
"equitable" concepts of the free market, open competition, and economic
liberalism. It may be exhibited by favoritism in the distribution of legal
permits, government grants, special tax breaks, and so forth.
Crony capitalism arises when political cronyism spills over into the world
of business, and the relationships between powerful businessmen and powerful
politicians form a kind of aristocratic social hierarchy, influenced by
self-serving friendships and family ties, to the extent that it corrupts
public-serving economic and political ideals."
-- wikipedia.com
> One magazine article vs the majority of NY firefighters and police
> officers, literally hundreds of scientists,
> professors, engineers professionals and acedemics from a variety of
> disciplines, and 9/11 witnesses and a
> rapidly expanding mass of citizenry around the world.
Myself included.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27...us_%28slogan%29
"You are either with us or you are against us..."
-- GWB
I'm against many of your decisions as I understand them, George, and/or
those of your relevant cronies and citizens, while I stand by your country,
in principle, vis-a-vis most especially in their choice for a better good--
by any means necessary:
" In the final scene of the 1992 American film Malcolm X, Mandela --
recently released after 27 years of political imprisonment -- appears as a
schoolteacher in a classroom in Soweto. He recites a portion of one of
Malcolm X's most famous speeches, including the following sentence: "We
declare our right on this earth to be a human being, to be respected as a
human being, to be given the rights of a human being in this society, on
this earth, in this day, which we intend to bring into existence . . . ."
The final phrase of that sentence is "by any means necessary." Mandela
informed director Spike Lee that he could not utter this phrase on camera,
stating that the apartheid government would somehow use it against him if he
did. Lee understandingly obliged, and the final seconds of the film feature
black-and-white footage of the real Malcolm X speaking the words 'by any
means necessary'. "
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_mandela
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| MadDogR75@yahoo.com 2006-10-05, 8:25 pm |
| Worm,
While no great fan of Bush et al, I am heartily sick of all this
'W.T.C. was packed with explosives` nonsense.
I was party to a discussion among a group of the structural engineers
responsible for the design of the W.T.C.
The discussion had to do with the quest for a replacement for the
asbestos insulation being used on the structural steel of the building,
(asbestos having then just recently become a dirty word).
What happened on 9/11 was just what this team of experts, familiar
with the structure, was afraid would happen if a fire, hot enough, and
persistant enough, to affect the steel were to occur.
So PLEASE, take the crock that all this 'explosives` nonsense came
in , ..............and dump it on your roses.
MadDog
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| <MadDogR75> wrote
> Worm,
> While no great fan of Bush et al, I am heartily sick of all this
> 'W.T.C. was packed with explosives` nonsense.
> I was party to a discussion among a group of the structural engineers
> responsible for the design of the W.T.C.
> The discussion had to do with the quest for a replacement for the
> asbestos insulation being used on the structural steel of the building,
> (asbestos having then just recently become a dirty word).
> What happened on 9/11 was just what this team of experts, familiar
> with the structure, was afraid would happen if a fire, hot enough, and
> persistant enough, to affect the steel were to occur.
> So PLEASE, take the crock that all this 'explosives` nonsense came
> in , ..............and dump it on your roses.
> MadDog
Its symbolic of the times I suppose that these discussions even come up.
Expect them to be more frequent.
Thank you Warren Commission.
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| gruhn@rararchitects.com 2006-10-12, 3:25 am |
| > 73 top scientists
If 0 top scientists agree then it must be bullshit.
If 1 top scientists agree then it's still probably bullshit.
What is the turning point? How many scientists are required to create a
truth?
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| Kris Krieger 2006-10-12, 1:25 pm |
| gruhn@rararchitects.com wrote in news:1160627916.646316.62920
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> If 0 top scientists agree then it must be bullshit.
> If 1 top scientists agree then it's still probably bullshit.
>
> What is the turning point? How many scientists are required to create a
> truth?
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>
It also depends upon whether they're actually scientists, or people
screwing around with pseudosceince/junk-science. Seems that fewer and
fewer lyapeople even realize there is a difference... Then too, a
scientist who is an expert in, say, the mating habits of the tsetse fly, is
not necessarily at all informed of the finer points of explosives and/or
metallurgy - so, once you get outside their field of expertise, well,
opinion is opinion and is not necessarily *informed* opinion.
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"Kris Krieger" <me@dowmuff.in> wrote in message
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> gruhn@rararchitects.com wrote in news:1160627916.646316.62920
> @m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
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> It also depends upon whether they're actually scientists, or people
> screwing around with pseudosceince/junk-science. Seems that fewer and
> fewer lyapeople even realize there is a difference... Then too, a
> scientist who is an expert in, say, the mating habits of the tsetse fly,
> is
> not necessarily at all informed of the finer points of explosives and/or
> metallurgy - so, once you get outside their field of expertise, well,
> opinion is opinion and is not necessarily *informed* opinion.
Flash Kris. Flash.
Flash something 20 times a second for 30 seconds with a tribal beat in the
background on the TV, the more nonsensical the better, and all will bow to
you.
Put on a t-shirt then write *reality* on the front.
Then take it off, turn it inside out and put it back on, backwards.
Ta Daaaa!
Welcome to the new reality.....of today!
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Don wrote:
> "Kris Krieger" <me@dowmuff.in> wrote in message
> news:ufuXg.12935$UG4.7404@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
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> Flash Kris. Flash.
> Flash something 20 times a second for 30 seconds with a tribal beat in the
> background on the TV, the more nonsensical the better, and all will bow to
> you.
> Put on a t-shirt then write *reality* on the front.
> Then take it off, turn it inside out and put it back on, backwards.
> Ta Daaaa!
> Welcome to the new reality.....of today!
Not exactly sure what you're saying, but it sounds profound. ;-)
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| Warm Worm 2006-10-12, 5:25 pm |
| "Kris Krieger"
> "gruhn"
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> It also depends upon whether they're actually scientists, or people
> screwing around with pseudosceince/junk-science. Seems that fewer and
> fewer lyapeople even realize there is a difference... Then too, a
> scientist who is an expert in, say, the mating habits of the tsetse fly,
> is
> not necessarily at all informed of the finer points of explosives and/or
> metallurgy - so, once you get outside their field of expertise, well,
> opinion is opinion and is not necessarily *informed* opinion.
>
It's curious to watch tv-- especially news-shows -- and see all these
apparent journalists (with what kind of experience and education? A degree
in journalism?) with their very own segments or (layperson)
panel-discussions, where they get to spout opinions on an incredible range
of topics that they couldn't possibly know anything or everything about!
This also often seems to occur not only with so-called experts, whose
expertise is ill-fitted to the topics, but also in the complete absence of
anyone who might be versed in them!
If this is the case, to use a recent alt.architecture post's circus analogy;
it seems as though many clowns are "posing" as acrobats, lion-tamers,
jugglers and the like.
That's not a circus, it's an illusion. (It's Don's T-shirt.)
And, considering this post's topic; I imagine some politicians like it that
way.
I want my money back.
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| "Warm Worm"> wrote
> It's curious to watch tv-- especially news-shows -- and see all these
> apparent journalists (with what kind of experience and education? A degree
> in journalism?) with their very own segments or (layperson)
> panel-discussions, where they get to spout opinions on an incredible range
> of topics that they couldn't possibly know anything or everything about!
> This also often seems to occur not only with so-called experts, whose
> expertise is ill-fitted to the topics, but also in the complete absence of
> anyone who might be versed in them!
>
> If this is the case, to use a recent alt.architecture post's circus
> analogy; it seems as though many clowns are "posing" as acrobats,
> lion-tamers, jugglers and the like.
> That's not a circus, it's an illusion. (It's Don's T-shirt.)
>
> And, considering this post's topic; I imagine some politicians like it
> that way.
>
> I want my money back.
Nope.
You don't get to get your money back if you're dissatisfied with the product
or service.
You can, however, choose to not purchase the product or service in the first
place.
Since moving here in March I have watched less than an hour of direct TV.
(mainly old b/w Twilight Zones on sci-fi or a little bit of turner classic
movies)
When I go to the Porthole Inn on my weekly or bi-weekly excursions I observe
the soundless TV on display while classic rock plays in the background and
its invariably on a ?news? channel. I'm outside the envelope now so the
sight of that thing is like watching a psychedelic screensaver or a
lightshow with all the scrolling stuff along the top and bottom, quick scene
changes, imediate influx of a commercial or 8 and then right back at it.
Visually the whole thing is a little overwhelming and keep in mind that this
doesn't include the audio portion nor am I aware of what they are talking
about.
From my current perspective I'd have to say watching such things, with the
audio on, is not a good thing to do and its even worse to place any
creedence in that stuff.
For the most part I've traded the TV in for the realtime natural phenomenon
going on all around me all the time.
I prefer a hands-on interactive world.
The leaves are changing, the colors are stunning, the wild creatures are
preparing, the temps are dropping, a new season is in full swing.
I haven't experienced this sort of thing since way back when I was too young
to understand it.
Sometimes flavor is enhanced with age and things may be better the 2nd time
around.......
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| Don T. 2006-10-13, 1:25 pm |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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> "Warm Worm"> wrote
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> Nope.
> You don't get to get your money back if you're dissatisfied with the
> product or service.
> You can, however, choose to not purchase the product or service in the
> first place.
> Since moving here in March I have watched less than an hour of direct TV.
> (mainly old b/w Twilight Zones on sci-fi or a little bit of turner classic
> movies)
> When I go to the Porthole Inn on my weekly or bi-weekly excursions I
> observe the soundless TV on display while classic rock plays in the
> background and its invariably on a ?news? channel. I'm outside the
> envelope now so the sight of that thing is like watching a psychedelic
> screensaver or a lightshow with all the scrolling stuff along the top and
> bottom, quick scene changes, imediate influx of a commercial or 8 and then
> right back at it. Visually the whole thing is a little overwhelming and
> keep in mind that this doesn't include the audio portion nor am I aware of
> what they are talking about.
> From my current perspective I'd have to say watching such things, with the
> audio on, is not a good thing to do and its even worse to place any
> creedence in that stuff.
>
> For the most part I've traded the TV in for the realtime natural
> phenomenon going on all around me all the time.
> I prefer a hands-on interactive world.
> The leaves are changing, the colors are stunning, the wild creatures are
> preparing, the temps are dropping, a new season is in full swing.
> I haven't experienced this sort of thing since way back when I was too
> young to understand it.
> Sometimes flavor is enhanced with age and things may be better the 2nd
> time around.......
And there, my friend, you have it. I watch my Deer. I watch the trees. Then
I go to the shop and plan a shot. Not many big ones these days. Just the
occasional contract. Yesterday, some XXXXXXX shot one of my fauns. Not to
eat. Just to kill. Left the poor critter laying on the verge. Pissed me off.
--
Don Thompson
There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
~Goethe
It is a worthy thing to fight for one’s freedom;
it is another sight finer to fight for another man’s.
~Mark Twain
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| Kris Krieger 2006-10-13, 1:25 pm |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
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> "Kris Krieger" <me@dowmuff.in> wrote in message
> news:ufuXg.12935$UG4.7404@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
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> Flash Kris. Flash.
> Flash something 20 times a second for 30 seconds with a tribal beat in
> the background on the TV, the more nonsensical the better, and all
> will bow to you.
> Put on a t-shirt then write *reality* on the front.
> Then take it off, turn it inside out and put it back on, backwards.
> Ta Daaaa!
> Welcome to the new reality.....of today!
>
Oh, I don't qustion the williingness of people to avoid thinking. But I
do most definitely question what your average nitwit considers
"science".
If people want to say, "This is my opinion, and here is why...", hey,
that's fine. But what really gripes my gizzard is that people who don't
know squat about what sceince is, throw up the *word* science in a
transparently absurd attempt to give credence to what is only opinion.
Hell, I was trained, and, technically, worked for numerous years, as a
sceintist. Bacteria, yes, I know something about. But I know little
about metallurgy, or explosives, or, well, whole passels of other
things. I have *opinions* about a lot fo things, and with others, I can
apply rational thought and logic (well sometimes, anyway <g!> ) to
support or reject an opinion. But it'd be absurd for anyone to claim
that my *opinion* is the same thing as a scientific inquiry. ANd I
equally reject statements that any other scientist's *opinion* is the
same thing as scientific inquiry.
Just because someone is a scientist doesn't mean they can't have some
*opinions* that are just plain screwy.
Of course, this a-hole society also is now, due to PC BS, confusing
*belief* with *scientific theory*, so I of course do not expect the
average blow-hole on the street to comprehend the differences between
science and non-science in general. Average people are just that -
average, meaning, IQ between 90 and 100, other mental abilities on a
similar level.
So, no, I am, and have been for a great many years, fully and painfully
aware of the reality that, for the mundane mentally-miniature masses,
absurdity is given far more credence than are things such as facts,
logic, and reason. But that doesn't mean I have to like it, or
acquiesce to it, or jump off a bridge because I have the "pathology" of
having at least 60 IQ points over John Q. Average. I know than my
comments will be meaningless to 90% of the human species. But, I
nonetheless am compelled to protest that nonsense which is commonly,
mundanely accepted as "reality.
No flash or t-shirt needed. It's hard enough blocking out all the crap
as it is, no need for more reminders that, as my father used to say,
"there are more horse's asses than horses".
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| "Don T."> wrote
> And there, my friend, you have it. I watch my Deer. I watch the trees.
> Then I go to the shop and plan a shot. Not many big ones these days. Just
> the occasional contract. Yesterday, some XXXXXXX shot one of my fauns. Not
> to eat. Just to kill. Left the poor critter laying on the verge. Pissed me
> off.
I understand.
That sort of thing makes wnat to abolish my principles for a few minutes and
lay waste to the assholes.
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| Don T. 2006-10-13, 9:25 pm |
| "Michel Oui" <GGOAT@example.com> wrote in message
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> Don T. wrote:
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> FYI, In Roman mythology, fauns were place-spirits of untamed woodland.
> Romans connected their fauns with the Greek satyrs, wild and
> orgiastic drunken followers of Dionysus. Fauns have a human shape,
> with horns, pointed ears and a goat's tail.
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Well. 'round here there ain't a hell of a lot of "untamed woodland". Used
to be at least a quarter mile between neighbors and mostly a mile, now there
is a big XXX Nuevo riche mansion every 20 acres. The fauns have light
red-gray hair with spots and speckles. Look just like their mommas. But
smaller. They don't show horns till late September and then it is mostly
just a single spike with an occasional forkhorn. Ears are nicely oval in
shape with black tufts of hair softening toe outline. Don't look a thing
like a human. Don't get drunk much either lessen they run across some
fermented berries. No Orgies either. The biggest and strongest Buck starts
gathering in his harem and then spends most of his time running other
smaller bucks off and capturing their own doe harem. Only the Strongest get
to mate. By the time rut is over the poor old Buck is worn plumb down to a
frazzle.
--
Don Thompson
There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
~Goethe
It is a worthy thing to fight for one's freedom;
it is another sight finer to fight for another man's.
~Mark Twain
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| Don T. 2006-10-13, 9:25 pm |
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"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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> "Don T."> wrote
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> I understand.
> That sort of thing makes wnat to abolish my principles for a few minutes
> and lay waste to the assholes.
>
Hell there's a new crop of assholes hatched every week. Can't waste 'em all.
Be nice though if society placed an open season on them for a couple weeks
each year. They'd soon learn NOT to be so assholish.
--
Don Thompson
There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
~Goethe
It is a worthy thing to fight for one’s freedom;
it is another sight finer to fight for another man’s.
~Mark Twain
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