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The good, bad, and ugly of architecture

corinneeberly@yahoo.com

2006-10-03, 1:25 pm

I am possibly looking into changing my career. I have always been
interested in architecture, the design, the building, and completion.
I was just curious if there is an actual architect out there that can
tell me the good, bad, and ugly of being an architect. What do you
like most about your career? What do you like the least? Is it a
rewarding career? How difficult is the schooling involved with this
type of career? What hours do you normally work? Is it a salaried
job? Is there a demand for architects/architectural design? Really,
ANY information would be helpful. Thanks!

Warm Worm

2006-10-03, 5:25 pm

<corinneeberly@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am possibly looking into changing my career. I have always been
> interested in architecture, the design, the building, and completion.
> I was just curious if there is an actual architect out there that can
> tell me the good, bad, and ugly of being an architect. What do you
> like most about your career? What do you like the least? Is it a
> rewarding career? How difficult is the schooling involved with this
> type of career? What hours do you normally work? Is it a salaried
> job? Is there a demand for architects/architectural design? Really,
> ANY information would be helpful. Thanks!
>
>
Hello Corinne. (I will assume that as your name for the sake of discussion.)
What have you investigated and unveiled so far and how have you gone about
it? What is your career currently?
I think those would help us before tackling your post.
Welcome to alt.architecture by the way.

clintonG

2006-10-03, 8:25 pm

There's actually very little of the good left after the reality of the bad
and the ugly are understood. Its not the work itself, its the fascists from
the American Institute of Architects (AIA) and their members which write the
verbiage of the laws to determine who can and who can not work and then
literally buy politicians to pass the laws they want to achieve that
objective.

There's nothing wrong with credible credentialing but the AIA has corrupted
the process compelling anybody who wants to work as an architect to
voluntarily abdicate their constitutional rights. That is, to obtain a
license from the fascist state the fascists from the AIA act as proxy agents
for the state, you have to work for them whether you want to or not and they
have absolutely no obligations. None. Nada. Zip.

The way it has become one must subject one's self to the whims of an
arbitrary fascist employer who may or may not assign you to a task which the
law requires remembering it was the fascist AIA that wrote the laws. Thus, x
number of hours of experience conducting a range of required tasks must be
documented by one or more arbitrary employers in y number of categories
within a specific time of x or none of which has been accomplished will
count and one must start all over including one's required university degree
program. I also believe they now require a Masters to work in a state other
than the state where one established one's credentials. They do this using
another proxy shadow government called NCARB the AIA setup.

Most firms are owned by AIA members and they will compel employees seeking
license to work as "salaried" employees. These salaried employees are paid
in the same range as the garbage man (literally) and rarely have even half
the benefits. Salaried employees seeking licensing are compelled to work
unpaid after hours and on weekends to "play ball" as "team players."
Remember, you have accepted involuntary servitude and you are going to be
squeezed for everything these pigs can get out of you to keep you employed
for them at th elowest wages while you hope that working under such
conditions -- maybe -- just maybe -- you will be assigned one of the many
tasks which will enable you to accrue the many hours the law requires at
that given task.

Finally, the fascists have recently had their laws changed yet again. For
whatever reason, bad economy, illness, disability or whatever, if you do not
get assigned all of the tasks and do not accrue the documented hours within
a specific period of time the fascists pigs can and will compel you to start
all over including your university degree program. These pigs call this the
Internship Development Program (IDP) and every state in the former United
States of America has adopted the fascist IDP so they can control who can
and who can not work and under which circumstances.

As I recall, the architecture schools dumped something like 60,000 graduates
onto the streets over the last decade. Nothing personal but that's a lot of
girls and boys who want to be architects so what do you got to offer? Plus
99.9% of then are under 30, have CAD skills and after being funneled through
the public schools really have no mind of their own and are dumb about the
real world which is exactly the type of employee the AIA wants in their
firms. That's who they hire almosty exclusivley unless they are looking for
another licensed fascist. Worse, to even get interviewed you have to go
through the pimps "the recruiters."

If you are married to an architect or have some other nepotistic method to
get the license without being subjected to the abuse you will be subjected
to you have a chance. Otherwise, the prospects of becoming licensed as a
career change is not likely. Its a fixed racket.

<%= Clinton Gallagher
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<corinneeberly@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I am possibly looking into changing my career. I have always been
> interested in architecture, the design, the building, and completion.
> I was just curious if there is an actual architect out there that can
> tell me the good, bad, and ugly of being an architect. What do you
> like most about your career? What do you like the least? Is it a
> rewarding career? How difficult is the schooling involved with this
> type of career? What hours do you normally work? Is it a salaried
> job? Is there a demand for architects/architectural design? Really,
> ANY information would be helpful. Thanks!
>

Don

2006-10-04, 3:25 am

"clintonG"> wrote
> As I recall, the architecture schools dumped something like 60,000
> graduates onto the streets over the last decade. Nothing personal but
> that's a lot of girls and boys who want to be architects so what do you
> got to offer? Plus 99.9% of then are under 30, have CAD skills and after
> being funneled through the public schools really have no mind of their own
> and are dumb about the real world which is exactly the type of employee
> the AIA wants in their firms. That's who they hire almosty exclusivley
> unless they are looking for another licensed fascist. Worse, to even get
> interviewed you have to go through the pimps "the recruiters."

More than 1/2 the people with college degrees do not work in their degreed
field.
My BIL's 2 sons have degrees and 1 works in the TV dept at Sears and the
other drives a Propane Truck.

The 1st 2 years of college are remedial, teaching the students stuff they
should have learned in high school, er, elementary school.

marcenmoni@cpu-net.net

2006-10-04, 9:25 am

corinneeberly@yahoo.com wrote:
> I am possibly looking into changing my career. I have always been
> interested in architecture, the design, the building, and completion.
> I was just curious if there is an actual architect out there that can
> tell me the good, bad, and ugly of being an architect.

> What do you like most about your career?

Having a satisfied client when the work is built and C.O.ed.

> What do you like the least?

Too many codes to follow and cumbersome plan review process (in Florida
anyway).

> Is it a rewarding career?

Yes, more so if you command your own firm. Then you have the power of
saying no to a client, a GC, etc.

> How difficult is the schooling involved with this type of career?

Be prepared to work long hours in a studio environment.

> What hours do you normally work?

It depends on work flow. Currently work days, nights, weekends.

> Is it a salaried job?

It can be.

> Is there a demand for architects/architectural design?

It depends. Most jobs are fairly run-of-the-mill with run-of-the-mill
requests. That constitutes the bulk of work no matter where you are.
Doing the fancy house or fancy office building only happens if your
client has big bucks, and that is a rarity.

> Really, ANY information would be helpful. Thanks!

You should see how much of your past coursework can be credited into an
NAAB accredited architecture program (university or college). If
little, then you may have start over entirely with either a 4+1
(Bachelor) or 4+2 (Master) type program. Afterwards there are 3 years
of internship, working in a studio while you gather the required points
for NCARB, then you can sit for the exam to get an architecture license
(valid only on a state-by-state basis). So it is a long process, will
be costly, andtake up a lot of time. It will be difficult to do while
maintaining a fulltime job or a family, but not impossible if you truly
want to do it.

I'd suggest working in an architecture firm for a few months and see if
you like it. You'll need basic CAD skills, even for a low level
drafting position. But, at least you'll be in the office and can get a
glimpse of how the work routine is like. Then you can decide whether
this is really for you.

Marcello

Don

2006-10-04, 9:25 am

Marcello> wrote
> corinne> wrote:
>
> Yes, more so if you command your own firm. Then you have the power of
> saying no to a client, a GC, etc.

That point right there makes all the difference in the world.
When I worked for other people, after a few months the whole thing became
boring.
On my own, boring never became an issue due to the driving force of the
underlying theme: get the job done, get paid, start the next job.
23 years later that theme still works.

Its true! "If you want something done right, do it yourself."

clintonG

2006-10-05, 1:25 pm

And I've met a person with a Phd in architecture with a wife and three
children who was literally making donuts on third shift because fascism
disallows him from freely being at liberty to work at his chosen endeavor.

I didn't go to school and subject myself to the abuse the architecture
schools and these pigs in the AIA subject employees to so I could then go
sell TVs for Sears. And its no secret that these fascist pigs change their
laws every couple of years so some people like myself are perpetually
trapped as "interns" working for low wages literally the same and sometimes
even lower than the garbage man and that is no exageration.

<%= Clinton

"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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> "clintonG"> wrote
>
>
> More than 1/2 the people with college degrees do not work in their degreed
> field.
> My BIL's 2 sons have degrees and 1 works in the TV dept at Sears and the
> other drives a Propane Truck.
>
> The 1st 2 years of college are remedial, teaching the students stuff they
> should have learned in high school, er, elementary school.
>

Ken S. Tucker

2006-10-05, 1:25 pm

clintonG wrote:
> And I've met a person with a Phd in architecture with a wife and three
> children who was literally making donuts on third shift because fascism
> disallows him from freely being at liberty to work at his chosen endeavor.
>
> I didn't go to school and subject myself to the abuse the architecture
> schools and these pigs in the AIA subject employees to so I could then go
> sell TVs for Sears. And its no secret that these fascist pigs change their
> laws every couple of years so some people like myself are perpetually
> trapped as "interns" working for low wages literally the same and sometimes
> even lower than the garbage man and that is no exageration.

Nonsense, every field is evolving, in electronics/physics
need to study 1-2 hours a day, that's progress, some
shit looks like political bureau-crap, but technology
happens, slide rules and drafting tables are dated.
Ken
....

eds

2006-10-05, 5:25 pm

"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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>
> Marcello> wrote
>
> That point right there makes all the difference in the world.
> When I worked for other people, after a few months the whole thing became
> boring.
> On my own, boring never became an issue due to the driving force of the
> underlying theme: get the job done, get paid, start the next job.
> 23 years later that theme still works.
>
> Its true! "If you want something done right, do it yourself."
>
I've been in the business for 50+ years and enjoyed most of it. It is a lot
of fun! Seeing your building (even if only a little bit yours) completed is
a real high. Going back years later is even better (if it has been
maintained). You will never get rich (the rich architects were usually born
that way) but you will get satisfaction. My own best moment was when my 20
year old daughter told me about a fabulous apartment she had seen while at a
party, and her joy when I told her I had designed it. She never thought dad
was an old poop again. This is a fun profession, however you do have to pay
the dues in the beginning. (I remember checking window and door shop
drawings for a 600,000 sf federal office building uggh). Also remember that
the profession is full of genuine self centered assholes, who can make your
life miserable until you leave their firm. I have been out of work only 2
days since 1959, and generally put in 10 hours a day including weekends.
Architecture is not only my work, but my hobby. Good luck
EDS

eds

2006-10-05, 5:25 pm

"clintonG" <csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote in message
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> And I've met a person with a Phd in architecture with a wife and three
> children who was literally making donuts on third shift because fascism
> disallows him from freely being at liberty to work at his chosen endeavor.
>
> I didn't go to school and subject myself to the abuse the architecture
> schools and these pigs in the AIA subject employees to so I could then go
> sell TVs for Sears. And its no secret that these fascist pigs change their
> laws every couple of years so some people like myself are perpetually
> trapped as "interns" working for low wages literally the same and
> sometimes even lower than the garbage man and that is no exageration.
>
> <%= Clinton
>
>
>
> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
> news:efvf9m01c0o@news4.newsguy.com...
>
>
Clinton,
What school gives a PHD in Architecture? Never heard of one on this side of
the pond. If you are willing to work hard and constantly learn, you will
never be out of work. When I worked for others, I was always being given
offers to jump to another firm because of my working reputation.

When I got my degree, it was from night school and the equivalent of an
associate's degree. I did my time, passed the exams (1st try) and have never
griped or looked back. All work is 90% crap, it's the 10% that makes it
worth being an architect!!!
EDS

jojo

2006-10-05, 5:25 pm

"eds" <snowed@comcast.net> wrote in message
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You will never get rich (the rich architects were usually born
that way) but you will get satisfaction.

One of my favorite saying is, "If I ever win the lottery, I'm gonna practice
architecture"

jojo

Kris Krieger

2006-10-05, 5:25 pm

"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in
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>
> clintonG wrote:

Fascism? Good grief. Well, otoh, it *is* always so easy and convenient
to blame others for one's problems, most especially when those supposed
others are unidentifiable (and dubious) entities who are unlikely to sue
for libel.

I've heard this same sort of crap out of a lot of people, and it's
*always* been a case where someone had basically had made their own bed,
but didn't want to lie in it.

[color=darkred]
>
> Nonsense, every field is evolving, in electronics/physics
> need to study 1-2 hours a day, that's progress, some
> shit looks like political bureau-crap, but technology
> happens, slide rules and drafting tables are dated.
> Ken
> ...

Oh Ken, you devil, stop confusing the issue with those pesky facts. We
all know it is far easier, thus far preferable, to merely blame all of
one's difficulties, problems, and/or disappointments on fascistic
communists or communistic fascists or liberals or conservatives or Baal
or Ishkabibble or extraterrestrials or the Jews or the ILGWU or Fast
Food Purveyors or etc. or so on or so forth, ad infinitum, as absurdum.
Nobody ever has to prove any part of such beliefs, yet they can be used
to absolve oneself of any and all responsibility for one's life.

But again, that's just confusing the issue with the facts, and people
really get **pissed** when you do that...

Kris Krieger

2006-10-05, 8:25 pm

"eds" <snowed@comcast.net> wrote in
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>
> "clintonG" <csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote in
> message news:RO9Vg.280$GH5.29@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Clinton,
> What school gives a PHD in Architecture? Never heard of one on this
> side of the pond.

I think he was talking about restaurant design - you know, phud - and
just dropped the "u" <G!>

Reminds me of the old quip:
BS = bullsh*t
MS = more sh*t
PhD = Piled Highest and Deepest

> If you are willing to work hard and constantly
> learn, you will never be out of work. When I worked for others, I was
> always being given offers to jump to another firm because of my
> working reputation.
>
> When I got my degree, it was from night school and the equivalent of
> an associate's degree. I did my time, passed the exams (1st try) and
> have never griped or looked back. All work is 90% crap, it's the 10%
> that makes it worth being an architect!!!
> EDS
>

Cool ;)

I enjoyed your other longer post quite a lot, but will comment here to
say that, really, most of *any* job, in *any* profession, is mostly
annoying nonsense. If it isn't a bena-brained boss, it's some coworker
who resents you and tries to sabotage you, and if it isn't that, well,
it's something else.

I've worked in labs, gov.t offices, malls <!>, home, and in the end, the
main difference is just that there are viaraitions on the bits of
nonsense but nonsense itself is unavoidable.

I think that too many people confuse "doing what you love" with "never
having to deal with nonsense". When that turns out to be, itself,
nonsense, they choose to only see the bad and then get bitter about it.

Don

2006-10-05, 9:25 pm

"Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> drafting tables are dated.

Never been one to follow fashion crazes and I pretty much do what I want.
Like, in about 2 months I'm gonna build a big honkin' *drafting* table with
all the bells and whistles out of 11 different exotic woods and various
expensive metals.
Why?

......cuz i want 2...... heh

Don

2006-10-05, 9:25 pm

Everybody should be self employed and the tyrannists be damned.

"clintonG" <csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote in message
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> And I've met a person with a Phd in architecture with a wife and three
> children who was literally making donuts on third shift because fascism
> disallows him from freely being at liberty to work at his chosen endeavor.
>
> I didn't go to school and subject myself to the abuse the architecture
> schools and these pigs in the AIA subject employees to so I could then go
> sell TVs for Sears. And its no secret that these fascist pigs change their
> laws every couple of years so some people like myself are perpetually
> trapped as "interns" working for low wages literally the same and
> sometimes even lower than the garbage man and that is no exageration.
>
> <%= Clinton
>
>
>
> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
> news:efvf9m01c0o@news4.newsguy.com...
>
>

Don

2006-10-05, 9:25 pm

"jojo"> wrote
> "eds"> wrote
> You will never get rich (the rich architects were usually born
> that way) but you will get satisfaction.
>
> One of my favorite saying is, "If I ever win the lottery, I'm gonna
> practice architecture"

Just yesterday my brother and I were yappin about people that live their
entire lives for other people, altruism, and I told him that if I won the
lotto today you'd never know it to look at me in 6 months. I'd get a new
truck and maybe a new tablesaw and the rest would be invested.
I would continue to design houses but my new client would be very tough, me.
I would design and build and if someone felt the thing was worthy I'd sell
it to them.
If not, so what?
Over and over and over......

Wealth, to me, is not a goal but merely a tool that is required in this day
and age.
I'm selfish, and its all about me.
I have to be busy doing something all the time and usually on things that
occur in my head, my minds eye.
An inquisitive dreamer.

Ken S. Tucker

2006-10-06, 9:25 am

Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> Never been one to follow fashion crazes and I pretty much do what I want.
> Like, in about 2 months I'm gonna build a big honkin' *drafting* table with
> all the bells and whistles out of 11 different exotic woods and various
> expensive metals.
> Why?
>
> .....cuz i want 2...... heh

Got a buddy here!
In drafting I did a jet-engine cut away in the 70's
(1h,2h,4h,6h) lovingly shading each blade to
provide a vision of the twist...the world seems to
just disappear when you get more and more
focused...turns me on.
Ken

Don

2006-10-06, 9:25 am

"Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> Got a buddy here!
> In drafting I did a jet-engine cut away in the 70's
> (1h,2h,4h,6h) lovingly shading each blade to
> provide a vision of the twist...the world seems to
> just disappear when you get more and more
> focused...turns me on.

In 7th grade drafting (actually, at that time it was called *Mechanical
Drawing*) I had an old german dood for a teacher and he pulled out his
secret weapon to weed out the fodder, we all were assigned a WWII aircraft
to draw in ink with them old *ruling pens*.
God.

Ruling pens and french curves WITHOUT inking edges weilded by pimply faced
novices. sheesh
Probably 90% of the class did NOT sign up for drafting classes the next
year.
I was one of the dumbasses that did, the rest is ancient history........

Ken S. Tucker

2006-10-06, 9:25 am

Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> In 7th grade drafting (actually, at that time it was called *Mechanical
> Drawing*) I had an old german dood for a teacher and he pulled out his
> secret weapon to weed out the fodder, we all were assigned a WWII aircraft
> to draw in ink with them old *ruling pens*.
> God.
>
> Ruling pens and french curves WITHOUT inking edges weilded by pimply faced
> novices. sheesh
> Probably 90% of the class did NOT sign up for drafting classes the next
> year.
> I was one of the dumbasses that did, the rest is ancient history........

I'm drooling, in the 60's space race days I got
into space craft and rocket sectionals and bot
every color of ball point pen I could find, recall
those big fat pens with 12 colors or some damn
thing. Multi colored ink is super for cross overs,
then back that with a bit of pencil shading, I even
got compliments for some of my illustrations.
It's flooding back...
Ken

Ken S. Tucker

2006-10-06, 9:25 am

Ken S. Tucker

2006-10-06, 9:25 am

Ken S. Tucker

2006-10-06, 9:25 am

clintonG

2006-10-06, 1:25 pm

"eds" <snowed@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "clintonG" <csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote in message
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> Clinton,
> What school gives a PHD in Architecture? Never heard of one on this side
> of the pond. If you are willing to work hard and constantly learn, you
> will never be out of work. When I worked for others, I was always being
> given offers to jump to another firm because of my working reputation.
>
> When I got my degree, it was from night school and the equivalent of an
> associate's degree. I did my time, passed the exams (1st try) and have
> never griped or looked back. All work is 90% crap, it's the 10% that makes
> it worth being an architect!!!
> EDS
>

Hello eds,

The university of Wisconsin -- Milwaukee -- and others throughout the
Jewnited States -- have Phd programs in architecture.

I never griped about the work and yes, we both agree drafting toilet
partitions is not "architecture" but it must be done. In fact if you review
my comments I think I clearly made that point that its not the work itself.
Where I live here in Milwaukee, Wisconsin in the Jewnited States we have
lost our government "of the people, for the people, by the people" which our
forefathers struggled, fought and died for so people would be at liberty to
freely choose to work at their chosen endeavor.

Our nation's form of government has become fascism where corporate pigs in
the private sector literally write the laws, buy politicians and pay them to
pass the laws the corporations want. This is not an opinion. It is a fact.
Voting does nothing anymore because there are only two partys: republicans
and democrats which are separate wings on the same bird of prey. These pigs
actually have people arrested when trying to run for office. This too is a
fact.

The American Institute of Architects is one such group of fascit pigs that
has secured the power to determine who can and who can not work providing
drafting and design services in the construction industry. This has also
happened to something like 350 other types of businesses throughout
Wisconsin.

Here's a sobering story...

During the Viet Nam war era thousands of Vietnamese merchants,
manufacturers, bankers and others who refused to go along with the jew
bankers blackmail were assasinated. These were all civilians whose families
were also butchered by the the Jewnited States CIA and the Laoatians who did
most of the dirty work. Many Laoatians and their families were then brought
to America to pay them back for their "loyalty" to America. They were
settled in Northern regions like Wisconsin. The people were told by the
"news" that Wisconsin had land and climate most like their former lands in
Laos.

Now many Americans happened to know the truth about these Laoatian pigs and
other American are simply racist so the Laoatian men rarely became employed.
The Laoatian women started businesses painting fingernails. It actually
became a big craze and these little shops started popping up all over until
the fascist pigs claimed painting fingernails was dangerous to the health of
the customer and the fingernail painters had to have special training that
only the fascist pigs that had licenses from the state to give a hair cut
could provide. Poof. No more fingernail painting as it is now a criminal
offense to paint a fingernal without a license from these fascist pigs.

This is what America has become. In the State of Wisconsin there's something
like over 300 occupations that people can no longer freely work at without
subjecting themselves to indentured labor to an employer who has no
obligation or any responsibilites. Working without the license from the
fascist pigs is a criminal offense and obtaining the license is not a matter
of an individual working on his or her own merit.

<%= Clinton Gallagher

Don

2006-10-06, 5:25 pm

"clintonG"> wrote
> Jewnited States

LOL

Kris Krieger

2006-10-06, 5:25 pm

"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
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> "jojo"> wrote
>
> Just yesterday my brother and I were yappin about people that live
> their entire lives for other people, altruism, and I told him that if
> I won the lotto today you'd never know it to look at me in 6 months.
> I'd get a new truck and maybe a new tablesaw and the rest would be
> invested. I would continue to design houses but my new client would be
> very tough, me. I would design and build and if someone felt the thing
> was worthy I'd sell it to them.
> If not, so what?
> Over and over and over......

Well, there is nothing worng with being altruistic, *if* that is who one
is and what one wishes to be. Forced altruism, tho', is merely an
attempt to enslave others - because nobody tries to *force* others to be
altruistic unless they (the would-be forcers) have something to gain.

Like, "You'll go to hell unless you join my church" - and, of course,
tithe everything you earn and own to the head of said church. "You are
a crappy human being if you don't donate to my charity" - wherein, of
course, 90% of all the $$ coming in go into the pockets of the
"organizers".

And so on. Most "altruism" is disguised greed. Or a way to get
applause and fame, and all of the ego-stroking *and* indirect power that
come from the way people kowtow to the famous.

Being altruistic is different from living one's life by committee, as
tho' one is merely a servant of anyone and everyone else. A truely
altruistic persons gives donations anonymously, privately - not to get
fame or rook others out of their money or any of that other common crap.

Actually, most people who win lotteries probably do things that arefar
less, well, constructive (pun not intended) than what you said you'd do.
IMO, one of the best uses for winnings is following through on one's
creativity.

> Wealth, to me, is not a goal but merely a tool that is required in
> this day and age.
> I'm selfish, and its all about me.
> I have to be busy doing something all the time and usually on things
> that occur in my head, my minds eye.
> An inquisitive dreamer.

And the problem with that is......? ;)

2006-10-09, 8:25 pm

"eds" <snowed@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Clinton,
> What school gives a PHD in Architecture? Never heard of one on this side
> of > the pond.

Cal, GaTech, Penn...

Want more?

MIT, Columbia, Princeton

More?

Nope, enough for you.

2006-10-10, 1:25 pm

gruhn@rararchitects.com

2006-10-12, 3:25 am

> tell me the good, bad, and ugly of being an architect

Architects like doing architecture. The good part is getting to design
and build. They are not in it for the money.

> How difficult is the schooling involved with this type of career?

Like anything, it has it's difficulties. For instance, "what color is
rotate"?

> Is it a salaried job?

Generally yes, once you are an architect. Wages on the way up.

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