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| OK, I barely got this thing off the ground over here and I'm taking a look
at my ladders.
I likes me sum Werner ladders but I'm starting to realize they are lacking.
Right away I need some boots for my Werners cause they're gonna be sitting
in some mud sometimes so proper footings are required.
Don't know if such a thing exists but I'm gonna fabricate some and bolt em
right up.
Skid proof treading on the rungs.
Again, muddy boots, lifting heavy materials, yep....some of that stickyback
stuff they put on commercial stairs is in order.
And whats up with the fact that there's rungs on one side only?????
F that, I'm gonna rivet some aluminum channels on the other side and use it
both ways.
Don't get me started on that top step, er, top plate.
Yeah, its nice to have those little holes for screwdrivers and stuff but
come on already.
What if that top plate was doubled with a hinge so it could instantly be
twice the size?
I can envision all sorts of flip outs, swing ups, etc.
I wants a big ol' workbench on top of my Werner, with a vice and a miter
gauge. heh
Next, I'm gonna take a look at my brand new $60 nail apron that was designed
by somebody that doesn't know what it really does, or doesn't, or cares.
By the time this things done I'll have ideas for at least 100 patentable
products.
Onward......
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| Pierre Levesque, AIA 2006-10-17, 1:25 pm |
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"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
news:eh2hb102k37@news2.newsguy.com...
> OK, I barely got this thing off the ground over here and I'm taking a look
> at my ladders.
> I likes me sum Werner ladders but I'm starting to realize they are
> lacking.
> Right away I need some boots for my Werners cause they're gonna be sitting
> in some mud sometimes so proper footings are required.
> Don't know if such a thing exists but I'm gonna fabricate some and bolt em
> right up.
>
> Skid proof treading on the rungs.
> Again, muddy boots, lifting heavy materials, yep....some of that
> stickyback stuff they put on commercial stairs is in order.
>
> And whats up with the fact that there's rungs on one side only?????
> F that, I'm gonna rivet some aluminum channels on the other side and use
> it both ways.
>
> Don't get me started on that top step, er, top plate.
> Yeah, its nice to have those little holes for screwdrivers and stuff but
> come on already.
> What if that top plate was doubled with a hinge so it could instantly be
> twice the size?
> I can envision all sorts of flip outs, swing ups, etc.
> I wants a big ol' workbench on top of my Werner, with a vice and a miter
> gauge. heh
>
> Next, I'm gonna take a look at my brand new $60 nail apron that was
> designed by somebody that doesn't know what it really does, or doesn't, or
> cares.
>
> By the time this things done I'll have ideas for at least 100 patentable
> products.
> Onward......
>
Don't forget latch a generator deck, a laptop station, hook up the internet,
the coffee maker and what the hell a nice comfie couch too for those naps
and breaks...
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Don wrote:
> OK, I barely got this thing off the ground over here and I'm taking a look
> at my ladders.
> I likes me sum Werner ladders but I'm starting to realize they are lacking.
> Right away I need some boots for my Werners cause they're gonna be sitting
> in some mud sometimes so proper footings are required.
> Don't know if such a thing exists but I'm gonna fabricate some and bolt em
> right up.
>
> Skid proof treading on the rungs.
> Again, muddy boots, lifting heavy materials, yep....some of that stickyback
> stuff they put on commercial stairs is in order.
>
> And whats up with the fact that there's rungs on one side only?????
> F that, I'm gonna rivet some aluminum channels on the other side and use it
> both ways.
>
> Don't get me started on that top step, er, top plate.
> Yeah, its nice to have those little holes for screwdrivers and stuff but
> come on already.
> What if that top plate was doubled with a hinge so it could instantly be
> twice the size?
> I can envision all sorts of flip outs, swing ups, etc.
> I wants a big ol' workbench on top of my Werner, with a vice and a miter
> gauge. heh
>
> Next, I'm gonna take a look at my brand new $60 nail apron that was designed
> by somebody that doesn't know what it really does, or doesn't, or cares.
>
> By the time this things done I'll have ideas for at least 100 patentable
> products.
> Onward......
If you get one of those ladders with pivot points in the middle so you
can use it as an extension ladder or a step ladder, they have rungs on
both sides when used as a step ladder. They're handy as all heck.
http://www.wernerladder.com/newprods/mt.php
But you still need to hook up the wifi
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-10-17, 1:25 pm |
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Don wrote:
> OK, I barely got this thing off the ground over here and I'm taking a look
> at my ladders.
> I likes me sum Werner ladders but I'm starting to realize they are lacking.
> Right away I need some boots for my Werners cause they're gonna be sitting
> in some mud sometimes so proper footings are required.
> Don't know if such a thing exists but I'm gonna fabricate some and bolt em
> right up.
>
> Skid proof treading on the rungs.
> Again, muddy boots, lifting heavy materials, yep....some of that stickyback
> stuff they put on commercial stairs is in order.
>
> And whats up with the fact that there's rungs on one side only?????
> F that, I'm gonna rivet some aluminum channels on the other side and use it
> both ways.
>
> Don't get me started on that top step, er, top plate.
> Yeah, its nice to have those little holes for screwdrivers and stuff but
> come on already.
> What if that top plate was doubled with a hinge so it could instantly be
> twice the size?
> I can envision all sorts of flip outs, swing ups, etc.
> I wants a big ol' workbench on top of my Werner, with a vice and a miter
> gauge. heh
>
> Next, I'm gonna take a look at my brand new $60 nail apron that was designed
> by somebody that doesn't know what it really does, or doesn't, or cares.
>
> By the time this things done I'll have ideas for at least 100 patentable
> products.
> Onward......
Wife bought el cheapo $60 14' extension ladder
rated 200#, I'm ~180-190# and it's pretty wriggly,
a little too much for my liking, but it's light.
I'm on uneven gravel, that requires blocking the
ladder feet and often tying it on the top, a pain
in the XXX. So I built a cheap light scaffold,
http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/co...scd.jpg&.src=ph
that I blocked and screwed to the wall, worked
great. It's safe to load it as an intermediate step
to transfer weight up and also doing eve detail,
(that's what I'm doing in the pic).
With a bit of reach, you can do 10'-12' off an 4x8
platform, then move it.
Subsequently I converted it to a shed, by putting
in a few ~3x8 shelves, and plan to sheath it etc.,
so it remains functional.
Used 3/8" plywood on the top with 1x4 to steady
that floor, supported by 2x2's and 1x2 gusset.
It supported me alone, but I screwed it to the wall
for safety and it was good for two adults.
Wife and I could easily move it, not sure it's a big
time saver, but it made the job easier, safer and less
stressful.
Given you have a perimeter of ~120' @ 10-12' high
that needs to be done, it might be the way to go.
Ken
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| "Pat"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> If you get one of those ladders with pivot points in the middle so you
> can use it as an extension ladder or a step ladder, they have rungs on
> both sides when used as a step ladder. They're handy as all heck.
>
> http://www.wernerladder.com/newprods/mt.php
>
> But you still need to hook up the wifi
My brother has one of those things.
Heavy as all get out and them ratchet deals look pretty untrustworthy.
But yeah, you and Pierre are right, I need to think a little more
comprehensively.
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Don wrote:
> "Pat"> wrote
>
> My brother has one of those things.
> Heavy as all get out and them ratchet deals look pretty untrustworthy.
> But yeah, you and Pierre are right, I need to think a little more
> comprehensively.
On the bottom of the page, did you notice the "options". They had
levelers and a shelf with 300lb capacity (I guess to mount your
generator or air compressor on).
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| Warm Worm 2006-10-17, 5:25 pm |
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"Pierre Levesque, AIA"
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> "Don"
> Don't forget latch a generator deck, a laptop station, hook up the
> internet, the coffee maker and what the hell a nice comfie couch too for
> those naps and breaks...
Ahhh that's the spirit.
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| RicodJour 2006-10-17, 5:25 pm |
| Don wrote:
> "Pat"> wrote
>
> My brother has one of those things.
> Heavy as all get out and them ratchet deals look pretty untrustworthy.
> But yeah, you and Pierre are right, I need to think a little more
> comprehensively.
You're brother always was the smart one - just ask him. ;)
Get over the little weight penalty and buy a Little Giant or one of the
knockoffs that are appearing all over the place. It's a little
heavier, far more stable, far more useful and can replace two or three
(at least) other ladders/scaffolds. I bought mine 12 years ago and
still consider it one of the best tools I have. The patent must have
expired within the last year or two because the once unique Little
Giant has at least two or three identical cousins.
R
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Pat wrote:
> Don wrote:
>
> On the bottom of the page, did you notice the "options". They had
> levelers and a shelf with 300lb capacity (I guess to mount your
> generator or air compressor on).
Hey, you know what you call a tall step ladder with a 300lb shelf
attached near the top of it -- TREE STAND.
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| Warm Worm 2006-10-17, 5:25 pm |
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"Ken S. Tucker"
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> Don wrote:
>
> Wife bought el cheapo $60 14' extension ladder
> rated 200#, I'm ~180-190# and it's pretty wriggly,
> a little too much for my liking, but it's light.
Wriggly or wiggly? Piggly wiggly? Jiggly giggly wiggly...
Seriously though, it makes me think of something I've always fancied; and
that's a basket that you get in and lift yourself up with a pulley system. I
should look it up online and see what I can find. Maybe treehouses might be
more likely candidates for them.
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| RicodJour 2006-10-17, 5:25 pm |
| Warm Worm wrote:
>
> Seriously though, it makes me think of something I've always fancied; and
> that's a basket that you get in and lift yourself up with a pulley system. I
> should look it up online and see what I can find. Maybe treehouses might be
> more likely candidates for them.
I wonder if I can get some odds on you winning a Darwin award. ;)
R
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| "RicodJour"> wrote
> Warm Worm wrote:
>
> I wonder if I can get some odds on you winning a Darwin award. ;)
Add a load of bricks and I'm sure you can!
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| Pierre Levesque, AIA 2006-10-18, 3:26 am |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
news:eh2hb102k37@news2.newsguy.com...
> OK, I barely got this thing off the ground over here and I'm taking a look
> at my ladders.
> I likes me sum Werner ladders but I'm starting to realize they are
> lacking.
> Right away I need some boots for my Werners cause they're gonna be sitting
> in some mud sometimes so proper footings are required.
> Don't know if such a thing exists but I'm gonna fabricate some and bolt em
> right up.
>
> Skid proof treading on the rungs.
> Again, muddy boots, lifting heavy materials, yep....some of that
> stickyback stuff they put on commercial stairs is in order.
>
> And whats up with the fact that there's rungs on one side only?????
> F that, I'm gonna rivet some aluminum channels on the other side and use
> it both ways.
>
> Don't get me started on that top step, er, top plate.
> Yeah, its nice to have those little holes for screwdrivers and stuff but
> come on already.
> What if that top plate was doubled with a hinge so it could instantly be
> twice the size?
> I can envision all sorts of flip outs, swing ups, etc.
> I wants a big ol' workbench on top of my Werner, with a vice and a miter
> gauge. heh
>
> Next, I'm gonna take a look at my brand new $60 nail apron that was
> designed by somebody that doesn't know what it really does, or doesn't, or
> cares.
>
> By the time this things done I'll have ideas for at least 100 patentable
> products.
> Onward......
>
There ya go... I'm sure you can rig this puppy to your ladder...
http://tinyurl.com/ykj6tl
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-10-18, 3:26 am |
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Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> Your septic tank looks pretty big, pic 21, is it 1200 gal?
800 gal, $1100 FOB site. We got a discount
cuz we poop every other day :-(.
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> 800 gal, $1100 FOB site. We got a discount
> cuz we poop every other day :-(.
So, mondays, wednesdays and fridays you're full of shit? <wink>
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"Pierre Levesque, AIA" <connarchNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:kTgZg.4833$Z46.2347@trndny05...
> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
> news:eh2hb102k37@news2.newsguy.com...
>
> There ya go... I'm sure you can rig this puppy to your ladder...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ykj6tl
So I can surf the porn sites while taking a break?
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| Pierre Levesque, AIA 2006-10-18, 9:25 am |
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"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
news:eh54n6026l0@news4.newsguy.com...
>
> "Pierre Levesque, AIA" <connarchNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:kTgZg.4833$Z46.2347@trndny05...
>
> So I can surf the porn sites while taking a break?
uh oh... didn't think of that one... better add one of these
http://tinyurl.com/yz6v7y
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Ken S. Tucker wrote:
> Don wrote:
>
> 800 gal, $1100 FOB site. We got a discount
> cuz we poop every other day :-(.
I thought you got a discount because it was actually a burial vault and
you were stuffing a few bodies in it.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-10-18, 1:25 pm |
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Pat wrote:
> Ken S. Tucker wrote:
>
> I thought you got a discount because it was actually a burial vault and
> you were stuffing a few bodies in it.
The contractor was a bit easier on us I think,
mainly because we didn't hurry him until the
week the permit was to expire. There's a lot
of new construction going on and everyone
wants things done yesterday.
Ken
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| "Pierre Levesque, AIA"> wrote
> uh oh... didn't think of that one... better add one of these
> http://tinyurl.com/yz6v7y
A self cleaning shitter with a warm seat, how quaint.
Think I'll buy 2.
My Werner ladder is starting to get pretty heavy......maybe I should install
a 427 engine......
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-10-18, 1:25 pm |
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Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> So, mondays, wednesdays and fridays you're full of shit? <wink>
Yes and on Sunday too, if it's an odd numbered day,
them months that have 31 days leaves you cross-eyed
by the 2nd.
BTW, we were permitted a 300 gal tank, but they weren't
available, IIRC correctly you were going to go a tank
off your new office into the existing field, so you could
probably get away with a 300 gal. Here the 800 is
kinda std because it's spec'd for a 3 bdrm house,
which is also std.
Ken
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> BTW, we were permitted a 300 gal tank, but they weren't
> available, IIRC correctly you were going to go a tank
> off your new office into the existing field, so you could
> probably get away with a 300 gal. Here the 800 is
> kinda std because it's spec'd for a 3 bdrm house,
> which is also std.
I'm gonna tie into the existing tank.
The distance is about 60' and the slope will be a minimum 1/8" per foot.
Do you think there will be any problems with solids hanging up along the
way?
I have no problem converting to a strictly coffee and beer and mexican diet
if it will help.
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| Bob Morrison 2006-10-18, 5:25 pm |
| In a previous post Don wrote...
> I'm gonna tie into the existing tank.
> The distance is about 60' and the slope will be a minimum 1/8" per foot.
> Do you think there will be any problems with solids hanging up along the
> way?
>
Don:
A 1% slope (1/8:12) should present no particular problems. Just make sure
you pass plenty of fluids (coffee or beer both work just fine).
--
Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA
bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-10-18, 5:25 pm |
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Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> I'm gonna tie into the existing tank.
> The distance is about 60' and the slope will be a minimum 1/8" per foot.
> Do you think there will be any problems with solids hanging up along the
> way?
The "tud roll" slope spec is minimum 1/50, you're
at near 1/100, but that's for 3" turds, Btw, a similiar
spec applies to the vent pipes, you really want to
know why?
> I have no problem converting to a strictly coffee and beer and mexican diet
> if it will help.
Naa, that will clog it, stay with your usual 3" dia.
turds to scrape the pipes clean.
One other thing, is the pipe reasonably below
2', (I'm thinking frost level). With a low slope
and some hang-ups freezing should be avoided.
We just installed a low flush toilet, to save water,
but I understand the're mandated in the US. I
adjusted the low flush to use less water and it
didn't flush properly so I went back to the factory
setting. Not to be to indelicate, but a low flush
is less able to move waste along 60'.
Ken
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"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
news:1161197262.576795.170420@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Don wrote:
>
> The "tud roll" slope spec is minimum 1/50, you're
> at near 1/100, but that's for 3" turds, Btw, a similiar
> spec applies to the vent pipes, you really want to
> know why?
>
>
> Naa, that will clog it, stay with your usual 3" dia.
> turds to scrape the pipes clean.
> One other thing, is the pipe reasonably below
> 2', (I'm thinking frost level). With a low slope
> and some hang-ups freezing should be avoided.
>
> We just installed a low flush toilet, to save water,
> but I understand the're mandated in the US. I
> adjusted the low flush to use less water and it
> didn't flush properly so I went back to the factory
> setting. Not to be to indelicate, but a low flush
> is less able to move waste along 60'.
> Ken
>
Low flush toilets are OK as long as there is lots of water from showers,
kitchens, etc. flowing in the system. About 15 years ago an owner had us
install low flow toilets in a 40,000 sf office building. Pipe slope was
definitely less than 1/8/ft as headroom was tight. First weekend the
building was used, all those turds dried in the pipes. Owner ended up
running water in the sinks and flushing the toilets several times before
everyone left in the evening. The low flow toilets have improved a lot since
then, especially the pressure ones.
BTW Don, I suspect that your pipes should be 4' below grade as that is what
is required around here and Indiana should be as cold.
EDS
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| "Bob Morrison"> wrote
> In a previous post Don wrote...
>
> Don:
>
> A 1% slope (1/8:12) should present no particular problems. Just make sure
> you pass plenty of fluids (coffee or beer both work just fine).
>
> --
> Bob Morrison, PE, SE
> R L Morrison Engineering Co
> Structural & Civil Engineering
> Poulsbo WA
> bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com
The office part will have a small 6' wide kitchenette area just big enough
for a 14 cf frig, a counter with small sink and a microwave.
Now that I have written documentation to prove to my wife that beer is
mandatory in order for the septic system to function properly I'll print
this message out and keep it for future reference.
Thanks Bob!
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> The "tud roll" slope spec is minimum 1/50, you're
> at near 1/100, but that's for 3" turds, Btw, a similiar
> spec applies to the vent pipes, you really want to
> know why?
>
>
> Naa, that will clog it, stay with your usual 3" dia.
> turds to scrape the pipes clean.
> One other thing, is the pipe reasonably below
> 2', (I'm thinking frost level). With a low slope
> and some hang-ups freezing should be avoided.
>
> We just installed a low flush toilet, to save water,
> but I understand the're mandated in the US. I
> adjusted the low flush to use less water and it
> didn't flush properly so I went back to the factory
> setting. Not to be to indelicate, but a low flush
> is less able to move waste along 60'.
I'll have to rework that low-flo thing as it just doesn't seem to be
adequate in *moving things along* if you know what I mean.
Maybe I'll keep a 5 gal bucket of water close by to give it that turbo-boost
when necessary.
3" logs. LOL
What the hell you been consumin' boy???
OK, give me the low down on the vent pipes.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-10-18, 8:25 pm |
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Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> I'll have to rework that low-flo thing as it just doesn't seem to be
> adequate in *moving things along* if you know what I mean.
> Maybe I'll keep a 5 gal bucket of water close by to give it that turbo-boost
> when necessary.
> 3" logs. LOL
Ed's spec might be better, tho code calls
for 3' deep pipes in Muskoka, smart guys go 4',
but a few years back the frost went 6' into
the ground and froze water supply pipes.
> What the hell you been consumin' boy???
> OK, give me the low down on the vent pipes.
LOL, humidity moves up, cold air moves down
the stink pipe, and they meet to glaciate.
See that Don, I almost described that poetically!
Once again, the humidy/frost needs to flow out
of the vents, so the figure given is slope 1/50.
By the time you take figuring the sag, 1/50
is a minimum average. Jeez...
Ken
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Ed's spec might be better, tho code calls
> for 3' deep pipes in Muskoka, smart guys go 4',
> but a few years back the frost went 6' into
> the ground and froze water supply pipes.
>
>
> LOL, humidity moves up, cold air moves down
> the stink pipe, and they meet to glaciate.
> See that Don, I almost described that poetically!
>
> Once again, the humidy/frost needs to flow out
> of the vents, so the figure given is slope 1/50.
>
> By the time you take figuring the sag, 1/50
> is a minimum average. Jeez...
I only have 1 stinkpipe in this deal and it will handle the shitter, a small
bar type sink and a laundry tub (for soaking carburators and such).
It is a 2" pvc pipe and goes straight up through the low part of the roof,
about 2' from the eaves.
I'm gonna come up with some sort of ventilated cap arrangement to keep the
leaves and other debris and small creatures out.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-10-19, 9:25 am |
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Don wrote:
> I only have 1 stinkpipe in this deal and it will handle the shitter, a small
> bar type sink and a laundry tub (for soaking carburators and such).
> It is a 2" pvc pipe and goes straight up through the low part of the roof,
> about 2' from the eaves.
> I'm gonna come up with some sort of ventilated cap arrangement to keep the
> leaves and other debris and small creatures out.
I've been warned about the pipe icing up,
makes sense, humidity hitting the cold
pipe and freezes, so I hestitate to put a
screen over it that would frost up.
Please let me know what you figure out.
My stinker is sticking out of the wall
awaiting a pleasant looking upright pipe
solution, maybe I'll use it for a TV antenna
mast, reception stinks anyway:-).
Ken
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> I've been warned about the pipe icing up,
> makes sense, humidity hitting the cold
> pipe and freezes, so I hestitate to put a
> screen over it that would frost up.
> Please let me know what you figure out.
>
> My stinker is sticking out of the wall
> awaiting a pleasant looking upright pipe
> solution, maybe I'll use it for a TV antenna
> mast, reception stinks anyway:-).
Another option is to run the pipe up into the attic and install a Studor
vent.
I had one of those on my last house and had no problems in the 4 years we
lived there.
www.studor.com
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-10-20, 3:25 am |
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Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> Another option is to run the pipe up into the attic and install a Studor
> vent.
> I had one of those on my last house and had no problems in the 4 years we
> lived there.
> www.studor.com
Maybe ok in FL, but in cold winters that defeats
the purpose of a ceiling vapor barrier by sending
humidity into the attic where it will definite
condense.
We moved into a cottage/home and the 1st
winter the condensate was so bad it was
like the roof leaked, there was frost and slime
in the attic and drip to the ceiling, yuck. We
reno'd it to ok, but not to my satisfaction.
The architectural paradigm shifts at 0F and
the expectation of -20F, ie a 90F diff between
inside and outside.
One time my daughter reported a hallway
ceiling light was smoking, turned out that
it was filling with condensation, the top of
box was in the attic without insulation,
easy to fix but scary. In this new box we
have no ceiling penetration and minimized
wall receptacles to those required by code.
Ken
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> Maybe ok in FL, but in cold winters that defeats
> the purpose of a ceiling vapor barrier by sending
> humidity into the attic where it will definite
> condense.
Take another look at the Studor.
It doesn't let air OUT, it only lets air IN.
In my last house I had one installed under the kitchen sink cause the
horizontal run was too far to make a proper vent.
They work on negative pressure which develops when water runs down the
drain.
Fill a milk jug with water, turn it upside and drain, while draining, knife
a hole in the bottom and put your lip close to the hole.
Do you feel air coming out or going in?
When the water is draining you'll not feel any air coming from the hole.
If you put your lip right on the hole it will be sucked up against it.
This is the principle behind a studor vent, it lets air in but doesn't let
any out, by way of check valve.
Its ingenious.
The term *stink pipe* is a somewhat improper term.
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| Kris Krieger 2006-10-20, 1:25 pm |
| "Pat" <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote in
news:1161103546.402181.83200@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:
[snip]
>
> If you get one of those ladders with pivot points in the middle so you
> can use it as an extension ladder or a step ladder, they have rungs on
> both sides when used as a step ladder. They're handy as all heck.
>
> http://www.wernerladder.com/newprods/mt.php
>
Hey, thanks! I've heard of the things called "Little Giant" or something
like that, but it's better to know who actually makes and sells them.
And it rated to 300 lbs! Nothing likie having a safety margin ;)
Just trying to decide whether 17' will do - the 22' should go all the way
to the ceiling, but might actually be higher, so I have to measure the
height...
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| Kris Krieger 2006-10-20, 1:25 pm |
| "Pat" <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote in
news:1161103546.402181.83200@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:
>
> Don wrote:
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I keep tellin' ya to get patents ;)
Seriously, I've had it happen where I had listened (don't make that error any
more tho'!) to people saying BS like, That's stupid, or like, Wy bother with
a patenet bnobody will want that. And so on. And THEN, several years later,
found the exact same product idea being sold both online and in physical
stores. One was the solar-powered fountain. ANother was the folding "EZ-
Move" desk and other furniture items. OK, not million-dollar ideas, but
heck, a hundred bucks here or there wouldn't be bad at all...
So, yeah, the system exists (for patenting things), so what the heck, make
use of it! I wish I had. Just be sure to avoid those "let us market your
product' rip-off companies. Go right to a patent lawyer, or file the patent
yourself - there are so many cases where those companies never filed the
actual patent, and were the only ones to make any money.
BTW, all the ideas for he ladder sounded great to me. The flip-outs could
also eliminate that silly "paint can shelf" so that another rung could be
added. The non-skid pads would also be excellent. Ladders are hazardous
enough (well, OK, for some of us more than others <L!> ), so a few added
safety details wouldn't hurt.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-10-20, 1:25 pm |
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Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> Take another look at the Studor.
> It doesn't let air OUT, it only lets air IN.
Thanks Don, (I should install one in my ear
to let more fresh air in when I piss).
> In my last house I had one installed under the kitchen sink cause the
> horizontal run was too far to make a proper vent.
> They work on negative pressure which develops when water runs down the
> drain.
>
> Fill a milk jug with water, turn it upside and drain, while draining, knife
> a hole in the bottom and put your lip close to the hole.
> Do you feel air coming out or going in?
> When the water is draining you'll not feel any air coming from the hole.
> If you put your lip right on the hole it will be sucked up against it.
> This is the principle behind a studor vent, it lets air in but doesn't let
> any out, by way of check valve.
> Its ingenious.
> The term *stink pipe* is a somewhat improper term.
Right, prior to plumbing I consulted a plumber,
got books from the library, got the plumbing code,
and talked to the supplier(s), and never did anyone
mention that AAV product, so you zinged me!
I'm going to put a cig near the vent and run some
water (next flush) for an experiment.
What did you $pay for a small one?
Thanks again
Ken
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| Warm Worm 2006-10-20, 5:25 pm |
|
"Don"
> "RicodJour"
>
> Add a load of bricks and I'm sure you can!
lol... hell no, I'd over-engineer it for that. ;)
In any case, awhile ago I recall mentioning an idea for something like a
vertically-mobile room or platform on a hydraulic car-lift that you seemed
cool with.
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| Warm Worm 2006-10-20, 8:25 pm |
|
"Pierre Levesque, AIA"
> "Don"
>
> uh oh... didn't think of that one... better add one of these
> http://tinyurl.com/yz6v7y
The bidet thing might also go a little way in adding some extra waterflow to
a low-pipe-sloped system.
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Right, prior to plumbing I consulted a plumber,
> got books from the library, got the plumbing code,
> and talked to the supplier(s), and never did anyone
> mention that AAV product, so you zinged me!
> I'm going to put a cig near the vent and run some
> water (next flush) for an experiment.
> What did you $pay for a small one?
Wasn't much, don't recall 'xactly but prolly in the $10 range, at Lowes.
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"Warm Worm"> wrote
>
> "Don"
>
> lol... hell no, I'd over-engineer it for that. ;)
>
> In any case, awhile ago I recall mentioning an idea for something like a
> vertically-mobile room or platform on a hydraulic car-lift that you seemed
> cool with.
I'm cool with anything, til an eye gets knocked out or divorce papers are
filed........
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Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> Take another look at the Studor.
> It doesn't let air OUT, it only lets air IN.
> In my last house I had one installed under the kitchen sink cause the
> horizontal run was too far to make a proper vent.
> They work on negative pressure which develops when water runs down the
> drain.
>
> Fill a milk jug with water, turn it upside and drain, while draining, knife
> a hole in the bottom and put your lip close to the hole.
> Do you feel air coming out or going in?
> When the water is draining you'll not feel any air coming from the hole.
> If you put your lip right on the hole it will be sucked up against it.
Oh great. I tried this. It works. Now I have to try to explain the
hicky to my wife. HELP !!!!!!!
> This is the principle behind a studor vent, it lets air in but doesn't let
> any out, by way of check valve.
> Its ingenious.
> The term *stink pipe* is a somewhat improper term.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-10-21, 1:25 pm |
|
Pat wrote:
> Don wrote:
>
> Oh great. I tried this. It works. Now I have to try to explain the
> hicky to my wife. HELP !!!!!!!
I blame the shop-vac, depending on where the
hicky is.
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Pat wrote:
>
>
> I blame the shop-vac, depending on where the
> hicky is.
Couple years ago someone sent me a link describing a certain brand of vacuum
cleaner sold exclusively in the UK that is notorious for knocking single men
down on the stairs and affixing itself almost permanently to their
genitalia, requiring emergency medical procedures. Apparently this vacuum
cleaner attacks several hundred men per year there. Interesting that no
females have ever had the same problem.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-10-21, 1:25 pm |
|
Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> Couple years ago someone sent me a link describing a certain brand of vacuum
> cleaner sold exclusively in the UK that is notorious for knocking single men
> down on the stairs and affixing itself almost permanently to their
> genitalia, requiring emergency medical procedures. Apparently this vacuum
> cleaner attacks several hundred men per year there. Interesting that no
> females have ever had the same problem.
Did you hear the one about the girl friend who put
crazy glue in the tube prior to the boy-friends
aforementioned accidental shop-vac genital hiccy?
No, well afterward he didn't know whether to
complain or brag, btw the tube was black.
Ken
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-10-21, 8:25 pm |
|
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
> Don wrote:
>
> Thanks Don, (I should install one in my ear
> to let more fresh air in when I piss).
>
Checked it out.
[color=darkred]
>
> Right, prior to plumbing I consulted a plumber,
> got books from the library, got the plumbing code,
> and talked to the supplier(s), and never did anyone
> mention that AAV product, so you zinged me!
> I'm going to put a cig near the vent and run some
> water (next flush) for an experiment.
Did the experiment and sure enough the
"stink pipe" sucked when the toilet flushes,
cig smoke sucked in when the flush was did!
That confirms Don's theory.
Ken
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| Warm Worm 2006-10-22, 3:25 am |
|
"Ken S. Tucker"
>
> Don wrote:
>
> Did you hear the one about the girl friend who put
> crazy glue in the tube prior to the boy-friends
> aforementioned accidental shop-vac genital hiccy?
> No, well afterward he didn't know whether to
> complain or brag, btw the tube was black.
> Ken
What the hell are you guys talking about?
Anyway, when I was a lifeguard many moons ago, I once made a joke about the
underwater pool vacuum-cleaner that I used to clean the bottom of the pool
with.
If recalled, it worked in conjunction with the pool's main water-filtering
pump, and I imagine that it might have had enough suction in some cases to
suck your penis clean off.
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| "Warm Worm"> wrote
> Anyway, when I was a lifeguard many moons ago, I once made a joke about
> the underwater pool vacuum-cleaner that I used to clean the bottom of the
> pool with.
> If recalled, it worked in conjunction with the pool's main water-filtering
> pump, and I imagine that it might have had enough suction in some cases to
> suck your penis clean off.
Our pool had an inlet on the side of the pool below the waterline where the
vacuum hose would plug in and there was some real serious pressure going on
there, far more than any ShopVac could summons. So yes, if you stuck it in
there it would instantly tear it clean out by the roots, sack, plums and
all. <shudder>
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Don wrote:
> "Warm Worm"> wrote
>
> Our pool had an inlet on the side of the pool below the waterline where the
> vacuum hose would plug in and there was some real serious pressure going on
> there, far more than any ShopVac could summons. So yes, if you stuck it in
> there it would instantly tear it clean out by the roots, sack, plums and
> all. <shudder>
I know a guy who had testicular cancer. They pulled it out from the
top near the "bikini line". That's got to hurt. Then it got infected
and filled his scrotum. Then it overfilled the ruptured. I can't even
imagine .......
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-10-22, 1:25 pm |
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Pat wrote:
> Don wrote:
And that's why Don can once again skinny dip,
problem solved.
[color=darkred]
> I know a guy who had testicular cancer. They pulled it out from the
> top near the "bikini line". That's got to hurt. Then it got infected
> and filled his scrotum. Then it overfilled the ruptured. I can't even
> imagine .......
It's Sunday AM, I think I'll skip breakfast.
Ken
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