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| Sasquatch 2006-10-18, 8:25 pm |
| It's been raining on my damn house for 3 days now with no roof. It's
raining directly onto the second floor deck. Is this a problem? Is
this just a fact of life? Will there be damage? What should I do?
What *can* I do? The builder said he brushed on Thompson's water seal
onto the floor deck. Does that help? Thanks. -John
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"Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> It's been raining on my damn house for 3 days now with no roof. It's
> raining directly onto the second floor deck. Is this a problem? Is
> this just a fact of life? Will there be damage? What should I do?
> What *can* I do? The builder said he brushed on Thompson's water seal
> onto the floor deck. Does that help? Thanks. -John
Oh crap! Yer just gonna have to torch it and start over.
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"JD" <laughingarchitectNOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
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> Oh crap! Yer just gonna have to torch it and start over.
Let it dry first!
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| marson 2006-10-18, 8:25 pm |
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relax. plywood/osb can take a lot of water--google "exposure 1
plywood." people will tell you how terrible it is, yet the only time
i've heard of someone having trouble with a subfloor, the manufacturer
paid to replace it. it ain't gonna melt in the rain.
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| "Sasquatch"> wrote
> It's been raining on my damn house for 3 days now with no roof. It's
> raining directly onto the second floor deck. Is this a problem? Is
> this just a fact of life? Will there be damage? What should I do?
> What *can* I do? The builder said he brushed on Thompson's water seal
> onto the floor deck. Does that help? Thanks. -John
You can drape a million dollars worth of tarps over it.
Or do a reverse rain dance.
I'll be going through the same thing next week.
It rains like 4 mf around here and right now my truck is stuck in about a
foot of pure mud where the driveway used to be.
This is all new stuff to me.
Onward.
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JD wrote:
> "Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Oh crap! Yer just gonna have to torch it and start over.
Yeah, and that'll solve the stairway problem, too !!!!
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Don wrote:
> "Sasquatch"> wrote
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> You can drape a million dollars worth of tarps over it.
> Or do a reverse rain dance.
> I'll be going through the same thing next week.
> It rains like 4 mf around here and right now my truck is stuck in about a
> foot of pure mud where the driveway used to be.
> This is all new stuff to me.
> Onward.
Yeah, we're in the rainy season around here, too. But it beats the
snowy season.
Do you want to compare crappy weather forecasts. Here's ours. You
can't make up the crap.
Tonight: A slight chance of showers after midnight. Cloudy, with a low
around 47. West wind around 7 mph. Chance of precipitation is 20%.
Thursday: Showers likely, mainly after noon. Cloudy, with a high near
61. South wind between 4 and 7 mph becoming calm. Chance of
precipitation is 70%. New rainfall amounts between a tenth and quarter
of an inch possible.
Thursday Night: Periods of rain. Low around 40. Light wind becoming
north between 13 and 16 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New
rainfall amounts between three quarters and one inch possible.
Friday: Periods of rain, mainly before noon. High near 48. Northwest
wind between 11 and 13 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New
rainfall amounts between a quarter and half of an inch possible.
Friday Night: A chance of showers, mainly before 8pm. Partly cloudy,
with a low around 35. West wind between 6 and 10 mph. Chance of
precipitation is 30%.
Saturday: A slight chance of showers before 8am. Partly cloudy, with a
high near 51. Chance of precipitation is 20%.
Saturday Night: A chance of rain showers after 8pm, mixing with snow
after 4am. Partly cloudy, with a low around 34. Chance of precipitation
is 30%.
Sunday: Snow or rain showers likely. Mostly cloudy, with a high near
50. Chance of precipitation is 60%.
Sunday Night: Rain showers mixed with snow showers likely. Cloudy, with
a low around 35. Chance of precipitation is 60%.
Monday: A chance of snow or rain showers. Cloudy, with a high near 45.
Chance of precipitation is 50%.
Monday Night: A chance of snow or rain showers. Mostly cloudy, with a
low around 28. Chance of precipitation is 50%.
Tuesday: A chance of snow or rain showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high
near 43. Chance of precipitation is 40%.
Tuesday Night: A chance of showers. Partly cloudy, with a low around
29. Chance of precipitation is 30%.
Wednesday: A chance of snow or rain showers. Partly cloudy, with a high
near 44. Chance of precipitation is 40%.
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| "Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> It's been raining on my damn house for 3 days now with no roof. It's
> raining directly onto the second floor deck. Is this a problem? Is
> this just a fact of life? Will there be damage? What should I do?
> What *can* I do? The builder said he brushed on Thompson's water seal
> onto the floor deck. Does that help? Thanks. -John
>
There may be damage, there may be not. You won't be able to tell for now.
It'll be too late if damage is apparent later. Candidly, this has been
going on for decades, before OSB was ever dreamed of. I've seen decks, 2nd
floors, and roofs curl up with plywood. OSB bubbles.
--
Jonny
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| Your temps are a little lower than here but the rest sounds about the same.
Rain, rain, rain, sun, rain, rain, sun.........
I jumped in the truck to go to Lowes (don't ask, please) and the battery was
dead.
<sigh>
So I grabbed my jump charger that hasn't been plugged in since I keft FL in
March and ta-daaa, it fired right up.
I threw it in reverse and immediately started spinning.
Pulled forward a little hoping for some new real estate and started spinning
again.
Shit.
Fortunately there is a bulldozer and a skidloader in my front yard and the
drivers suposed to come by in the morning to grade and gravel the drive so
he can pull me out.
Now where did I put my 30' loggin' chain?????
"Pat"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> Yeah, we're in the rainy season around here, too. But it beats the
> snowy season.
>
> Do you want to compare crappy weather forecasts. Here's ours. You
> can't make up the crap.
>
> Tonight: A slight chance of showers after midnight. Cloudy, with a low
> around 47. West wind around 7 mph. Chance of precipitation is 20%.
>
> Thursday: Showers likely, mainly after noon. Cloudy, with a high near
> 61. South wind between 4 and 7 mph becoming calm. Chance of
> precipitation is 70%. New rainfall amounts between a tenth and quarter
> of an inch possible.
>
> Thursday Night: Periods of rain. Low around 40. Light wind becoming
> north between 13 and 16 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New
> rainfall amounts between three quarters and one inch possible.
>
> Friday: Periods of rain, mainly before noon. High near 48. Northwest
> wind between 11 and 13 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New
> rainfall amounts between a quarter and half of an inch possible.
>
> Friday Night: A chance of showers, mainly before 8pm. Partly cloudy,
> with a low around 35. West wind between 6 and 10 mph. Chance of
> precipitation is 30%.
>
> Saturday: A slight chance of showers before 8am. Partly cloudy, with a
> high near 51. Chance of precipitation is 20%.
>
> Saturday Night: A chance of rain showers after 8pm, mixing with snow
> after 4am. Partly cloudy, with a low around 34. Chance of precipitation
> is 30%.
>
> Sunday: Snow or rain showers likely. Mostly cloudy, with a high near
> 50. Chance of precipitation is 60%.
>
> Sunday Night: Rain showers mixed with snow showers likely. Cloudy, with
> a low around 35. Chance of precipitation is 60%.
>
> Monday: A chance of snow or rain showers. Cloudy, with a high near 45.
> Chance of precipitation is 50%.
>
> Monday Night: A chance of snow or rain showers. Mostly cloudy, with a
> low around 28. Chance of precipitation is 50%.
>
> Tuesday: A chance of snow or rain showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high
> near 43. Chance of precipitation is 40%.
>
> Tuesday Night: A chance of showers. Partly cloudy, with a low around
> 29. Chance of precipitation is 30%.
>
> Wednesday: A chance of snow or rain showers. Partly cloudy, with a high
> near 44. Chance of precipitation is 40%.
>
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> "JD" <laughingarchitectNOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
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> Let it dry first!
If he lets it dry he can open a tobbogan <sp> and ski store!
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"marson" <briankontio@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> relax. plywood/osb can take a lot of water--google "exposure 1
> plywood." people will tell you how terrible it is, yet the only time
> i've heard of someone having trouble with a subfloor, the manufacturer
> paid to replace it. it ain't gonna melt in the rain.
I'll be using OSB on my garage but only one side is waterproof, the shiney
side.
Unfortunately that is also the slipperyest side too.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-10-19, 9:25 am |
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Don wrote:
> I'll be using OSB on my garage but only one side is waterproof, the shiney
> side.
> Unfortunately that is also the slipperyest side too.
Don, I'd double check that,
http://www.osbguide.com/faqs/faq14.html
That site claims *textured* side up.
I installed OSB for a floor shiny side up and it
went scaly from snow and stuff that I tracked
in. I thought shiny side would be easier to
sweep, but I think I made a mistake over-all.
Ken
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-10-19, 1:25 pm |
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Don wrote:
> Your temps are a little lower than here but the rest sounds about the same.
> Rain, rain, rain, sun, rain, rain, sun.........
>
> I jumped in the truck to go to Lowes (don't ask, please) and the battery was
> dead.
> <sigh>
> So I grabbed my jump charger that hasn't been plugged in since I keft FL in
> March and ta-daaa, it fired right up.
> I threw it in reverse and immediately started spinning.
> Pulled forward a little hoping for some new real estate and started spinning
> again.
> Shit.
>
> Fortunately there is a bulldozer and a skidloader in my front yard and the
> drivers suposed to come by in the morning to grade and gravel the drive so
> he can pull me out.
> Now where did I put my 30' loggin' chain?????
Ohboy, if you need a dozer now you'll need
a crane at the spring thaw, nature is just
warming you up.
Btw Don, I heard the fella who bought your
FL house was from Indiana :-).
Cheer up, the long range forecast calls for
sunshine in June 2007.
Ken
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-10-19, 1:25 pm |
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Jonny wrote:
> "Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1161211302.257089.265590@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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> There may be damage, there may be not. You won't be able to tell for now.
> It'll be too late if damage is apparent later. Candidly, this has been
> going on for decades, before OSB was ever dreamed of. I've seen decks, 2nd
> floors, and roofs curl up with plywood. OSB bubbles.
> Jonny
Interesting, we wanted OSB but were advised
plywood is better for exposure and about the
same price as OSB. I wonder if the quality of
plywood has been improving to stay competitive
with OSB. Anyway, we've switched back to
plywood, we'll see.
Ken
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| OSB will take some rain, but it does swell and eventually appear
damaged. Exterior plywood will last a little longer. The shiny side
of OSB really isn't anymore water proof than the rough side. The shiny
side goes down for ease of sliding into place on the roof rafter while
the rough side goes up for ease of walking across without slipping
after its screwed down. For less than $10- you can buy at Home Depot a
huge roll of plastic sheeting that can take a little bit of weather.
Stretch it tight and watch for puddling, which can result in
catastrophic buckets of water being released when the plastic gives.
Don't enclose the wood in plastic though or dry rot could occur.
That's what I have stretched over my rafters right now, as my engineer
contemplates his work which is 3 months in progress. I'm replacing the
old warped rafters with engineered trusses, but we had to reinforce the
foundation among other things. Ideally, a good long summer of drying
the wood would be the best thing, it seems to me, since having bone dry
wall studs before putting in insulation and covering with drywall and
whatever exterior you use will help reduce mold problems. It's a good
idea to push for completion of the roofing surface to at least the
level of roofing felt right now before the major winter storms come.
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
> Jonny wrote:
>
> Interesting, we wanted OSB but were advised
> plywood is better for exposure and about the
> same price as OSB. I wonder if the quality of
> plywood has been improving to stay competitive
> with OSB. Anyway, we've switched back to
> plywood, we'll see.
> Ken
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-10-19, 1:25 pm |
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Alan wrote:
> OSB will take some rain, but it does swell and eventually appear
> damaged. Exterior plywood will last a little longer. The shiny side
> of OSB really isn't anymore water proof than the rough side. The shiny
> side goes down for ease of sliding into place on the roof rafter while
> the rough side goes up for ease of walking across without slipping
> after its screwed down. For less than $10- you can buy at Home Depot a
> huge roll of plastic sheeting that can take a little bit of weather.
> Stretch it tight and watch for puddling, which can result in
> catastrophic buckets of water being released when the plastic gives.
> Don't enclose the wood in plastic though or dry rot could occur.
> That's what I have stretched over my rafters right now, as my engineer
> contemplates his work which is 3 months in progress. I'm replacing the
> old warped rafters with engineered trusses, but we had to reinforce the
> foundation among other things. Ideally, a good long summer of drying
> the wood would be the best thing, it seems to me, since having bone dry
> wall studs before putting in insulation and covering with drywall and
> whatever exterior you use will help reduce mold problems. It's a good
> idea to push for completion of the roofing surface to at least the
> level of roofing felt right now before the major winter storms come.
That plastic sheeting (10' wide x 100') is a stock item
around here, we also use tarps 30'x40' for $50 and
thicker for more coin.
Hear ya about wet studs, hopefully the wall breathes,
but maybe a blast of propane heat for a day might be
a good thing, if the studs are slimy.
Ken
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| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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> Your temps are a little lower than here but the rest sounds about the
> same.
> Rain, rain, rain, sun, rain, rain, sun.........
>
> I jumped in the truck to go to Lowes (don't ask, please) and the battery
> was dead.
> <sigh>
> So I grabbed my jump charger that hasn't been plugged in since I keft FL
> in March and ta-daaa, it fired right up.
> I threw it in reverse and immediately started spinning.
> Pulled forward a little hoping for some new real estate and started
> spinning again.
> Shit.
>
> Fortunately there is a bulldozer and a skidloader in my front yard and the
> drivers suposed to come by in the morning to grade and gravel the drive so
> he can pull me out.
> Now where did I put my 30' loggin' chain?????
Maybe they were right about the lady bugs! Get out while you can!
--
Edgar
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> Don, I'd double check that,
> http://www.osbguide.com/faqs/faq14.html
> That site claims *textured* side up.
>
> I installed OSB for a floor shiny side up and it
> went scaly from snow and stuff that I tracked
> in. I thought shiny side would be easier to
> sweep, but I think I made a mistake over-all.
Hmmm...I will check that out.
I was just told last week by my brother, shiny side up.
Regardless, I'll have black paper on the whole thing almost immediately.
I've seen roofs sit for weeks in FL with OSB on and no felt and there were
no problems.
Where I'm at though the cold air combined with massive rain may make a fatal
mix.
BTW: I'm going to install blocking between the trusses at 48" centers.
I never liked the idea that roof plywood is only nailed at the trusses.
I want my plywood nailed on all 4 sides.
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Alan wrote:
>
>
> That plastic sheeting (10' wide x 100') is a stock item
> around here, we also use tarps 30'x40' for $50 and
> thicker for more coin.
> Hear ya about wet studs, hopefully the wall breathes,
> but maybe a blast of propane heat for a day might be
> a good thing, if the studs are slimy.
I bought a 300,000btu propane heater that I'll use in the garage to help dry
the studs and trusses after I have all the exterior sheathing on.
I'm seriously considering sacrificial roof felt that I will replace in the
spring.
I have an aversion to installing shingles in real cold weather, I don't
think they'll seal properly.
I'd rather replace just the felt than the felt AND the shingles.
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> Ohboy, if you need a dozer now you'll need
> a crane at the spring thaw, nature is just
> warming you up.
> Btw Don, I heard the fella who bought your
> FL house was from Indiana :-).
> Cheer up, the long range forecast calls for
> sunshine in June 2007.
The grader dood came by this morning but it was raining and cold so we just
stood on the porch and yapped.
Tomorrow is supposed to be nicer so he'll come back, pull me out, and drop
some 53 gravel in the drive, about 80 tons of it.
Then I'll have some traction.
My wife and son have been parking at the neighbors across the road.
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| "Edgar"> wrote
> "Don"> wrote
>
>
> Maybe they were right about the lady bugs! Get out while you can!
Funny thing, other than a couple inside the house, on the ceiling, there are
none to be found outside.
Weird.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-10-20, 3:25 am |
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Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> Hmmm...I will check that out.
> I was just told last week by my brother, shiny side up.
Ah, is this the brother that you played "who
can punch the lightest" with :-).
> Regardless, I'll have black paper on the whole thing almost immediately.
> I've seen roofs sit for weeks in FL with OSB on and no felt and there were
> no problems.
> Where I'm at though the cold air combined with massive rain may make a fatal
> mix.
"fatal" don't see why, I had a floor (October)
that had ice on it in the morning, wasn't happy
but, it was to be a sub-floor if quality is an
issue.
> BTW: I'm going to install blocking between the trusses at 48" centers.
> I never liked the idea that roof plywood is only nailed at the trusses.
> I want my plywood nailed on all 4 sides.
Well if it's 5/8" tongue & groove, which is
easy to glue and a bit of easy pounding,
usually makes a good fit. Not sure any
tangible benefit can be derived for the labor
of blocking.
Ken
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-10-20, 3:25 am |
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Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> I bought a 300,000btu propane heater that I'll use in the garage to help dry
> the studs and trusses after I have all the exterior sheathing on.
> I'm seriously considering sacrificial roof felt that I will replace in the
> spring.
> I have an aversion to installing shingles in real cold weather, I don't
> think they'll seal properly.
> I'd rather replace just the felt than the felt AND the shingles.
One common hassle is "ice bridging", snow melts
at the peak and freezes near the eaves, hopefully
you'll have ceiling insulation before that's a problem
and a well vented attic, darn weather clocks tickin'.
Another option is steel roofing in place of shingles,
I'm told it's better, tho more $, but then you'll get
the roof done in any weather this season.
Again, on hear-say, I'm told steel roofs don't have
"ice bridging" problems. Hope others will chime in
about that.
Ken
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> "fatal" don't see why, I had a floor (October)
> that had ice on it in the morning, wasn't happy
> but, it was to be a sub-floor if quality is an
> issue.
A frozen roof is a little different than a frozen floor.
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| Bob Morrison 2006-10-20, 1:25 pm |
| In a previous post Ken S. Tucker wrote...
> Well if it's 5/8" tongue & groove, which is
> easy to glue and a bit of easy pounding,
> usually makes a good fit. Not sure any
> tangible benefit can be derived for the labor
> of blocking.
>
Ken:
Actually, there is a structural benefit. A blocked diaphragm has a higher
load capacity for the same nail spacing as an unblocked diaphragm.
Having said that, it takes a pretty big roof (think 60x100) before one
even begins to approach the load capacity of an unblocked diaphragm.
For 7/16" OSB or 15/32" plywood, edge clips at midspan are required by
code when the support spacing is more than 16" o/c. However, if you use
19/32" (5/8") sheathing then clips are not required.
--
Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA
bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-10-20, 1:25 pm |
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Bob Morrison wrote:
> In a previous post Ken S. Tucker wrote...
>
> Ken:
>
> Actually, there is a structural benefit. A blocked diaphragm has a higher
> load capacity for the same nail spacing as an unblocked diaphragm.
I've used blocking between trusses to keep
them aligned vertically, but because the roof
was T&G, I didn't worry about them being
carefully aligned to any seam so the blocks
could be offset for easy nailing. A floor is
a different story (pun) because a live load
moves on it and blocking transfers load to
adjacents joists. But a roof has a dead snow
load, and for the most part, each truss is
equally burdened so blocking them for
strength is not very effective, that I can see.
> Having said that, it takes a pretty big roof (think 60x100) before one
> even begins to approach the load capacity of an unblocked diaphragm.
>
> For 7/16" OSB or 15/32" plywood, edge clips at midspan are required by
> code when the support spacing is more than 16" o/c. However, if you use
> 19/32" (5/8") sheathing then clips are not required.
Not sure I recall Don mentioning his roof
sheathing, certainly if it's not T&G then
blocking for the edges is certainly best,
(I've done that on small buildings).
> --
> Bob Morrison, PE, SE
> R L Morrison Engineering Co
> Structural & Civil Engineering
> Poulsbo WA
> bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com
Thanks
Ken
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| Kris Krieger 2006-10-20, 5:25 pm |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
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> "Edgar"> wrote
>
> Funny thing, other than a couple inside the house, on the ceiling,
> there are none to be found outside.
> Weird.
>
The ones outside might already be tucked into nooks and crannies and
beginning to hibernate, which is why you wouldn't see them. At least, I
recall learning somehere that they hibernate - I might be wrong. If
they do, tho', t The ones that got, and are now trapped, inside are prob
too warm to actually get into hibernation mode, so are still looking for
a nosh, and a good place to pass the Winter.
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| Bob Morrison 2006-10-20, 8:25 pm |
| In a previous post Ken S. Tucker wrote...
> I've used blocking between trusses to keep
> them aligned vertically, but because the roof
> was T&G, I didn't worry about them being
> carefully aligned to any seam so the blocks
> could be offset for easy nailing. A floor is
> a different story (pun) because a live load
> moves on it and blocking transfers load to
> adjacents joists. But a roof has a dead snow
> load, and for the most part, each truss is
> equally burdened so blocking them for
> strength is not very effective, that I can see.
>
Ken:
I should have been more specific. The higher load capacity is for LATERAL
LOADS, not gravity loads like snow.
--
Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA
bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com
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| frawggy 2006-10-21, 3:25 am |
| There is a specified way to install OSB on both floors and walls. OSB
can handle being exposed to some pretty harsh weather. I'm a framer in
Utah, and we get tons of snow and rain on the benches.. We've chipped
away icebergs from our floors and still not have a squeak. The only
time you really need to worry about your OSB is when it is sitting ON
the ground. or soaking IN a puddle, but as far as having rain hitting
it, that's not a problem. if you have puddles in your floor, then your
framers should be kicked, but just smack a hole in it with your hammer
and it'll drain. Since it's engineered wood, you wouldn't need to
worry about your little hole ruining the stuctural stability..
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
> Don wrote:
>
> Don, I'd double check that,
> http://www.osbguide.com/faqs/faq14.html
> That site claims *textured* side up.
>
> I installed OSB for a floor shiny side up and it
> went scaly from snow and stuff that I tracked
> in. I thought shiny side would be easier to
> sweep, but I think I made a mistake over-all.
> Ken
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| "frawggy"> wrote
> There is a specified way to install OSB on both floors and walls. OSB
> can handle being exposed to some pretty harsh weather. I'm a framer in
> Utah, and we get tons of snow and rain on the benches.. We've chipped
> away icebergs from our floors and still not have a squeak. The only
> time you really need to worry about your OSB is when it is sitting ON
> the ground. or soaking IN a puddle, but as far as having rain hitting
> it, that's not a problem. if you have puddles in your floor, then your
> framers should be kicked, but just smack a hole in it with your hammer
> and it'll drain. Since it's engineered wood, you wouldn't need to
> worry about your little hole ruining the stuctural stability..
Unless you carpet over it and the wife steps on it with a highheel.....
Ooops.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-10-21, 1:25 pm |
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Bob Morrison wrote:
> In a previous post Ken S. Tucker wrote...
>
> Ken:
>
> I should have been more specific. The higher load capacity is for LATERAL
> LOADS, not gravity loads like snow.
Hear ya, wow, as a kid I loved studying the
inside of old barns, could almost smell the
sweat and intelligence in framing those roofs.
The timber in those is awesome, especially
the axe marks.
In the progressive 60's and 70's those were
discarded as junk as New & Improved metal
tech vogued, and the original barns were left
to decay. But you gotta love the neat truss
designs they used, and as you mention,
designed for serious lateral (wind+) loads too.
Recall the different styles of lightning rods?
Thanks
Ken
Ps: a helicopter just landed in the neighbours
yard.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-10-21, 1:25 pm |
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Ken S. Tucker wrote:
> Ps: a helicopter just landed in the neighbours yard.
Turns out they we're just practising, but the neighbours
aren't there - it's an empty lot - so wife asked them about
it. Fortunately alls well and good.
Ken
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| abshomes 2006-10-21, 8:25 pm |
| Hi John,
A few days of rain should not hurt as long as you have plywood on the
deck. If it is OSB, make sure you cover and do not let standing water
pool.
Using water sealer is o.k. if the wood was dry, but applying to wet
substrait would not work. If the subfloor is open underneath and it not
sealed, this will allow the water wick away.
I hope this helps.
Regards,
Larry J Clark President Allpro Building Systems www.abshomes.com
Sasquatch wrote:
> It's been raining on my damn house for 3 days now with no roof. It's
> raining directly onto the second floor deck. Is this a problem? Is
> this just a fact of life? Will there be damage? What should I do?
> What *can* I do? The builder said he brushed on Thompson's water seal
> onto the floor deck. Does that help? Thanks. -John
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| RicodJour 2006-10-21, 8:25 pm |
| Sasquatch wrote:
> It's been raining on my damn house for 3 days now with no roof. It's
> raining directly onto the second floor deck. Is this a problem? Is
> this just a fact of life? Will there be damage? What should I do?
> What *can* I do? The builder said he brushed on Thompson's water seal
> onto the floor deck. Does that help? Thanks. -John
I think you should start another thread on the same topic immediately.
Either that or Google the damn newsgroups.
R
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| RicodJour 2006-10-22, 3:25 am |
| Don wrote:
>
> I bought a 300,000btu propane heater that I'll use in the garage to help dry
> the studs and trusses after I have all the exterior sheathing on.
> I'm seriously considering sacrificial roof felt that I will replace in the
> spring.
> I have an aversion to installing shingles in real cold weather, I don't
> think they'll seal properly.
> I'd rather replace just the felt than the felt AND the shingles.
I use Ice & Water Shield (or equal) over the entire roof when it's
going to be a while before it gets shingled. Normally just the
valleys, 1' in from the rake edges and the bottom 3' along the eaves is
done in the membrane, but it's a mid-priced compromise that is far
superior to felt. I've gone a few months with the stuff on the roof, a
completed interior and no problems.
R
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| Al Bundy 2006-10-22, 1:25 pm |
| "Pat" <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote in
news:1161220921.949159.254330@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
> Don wrote:
>
> Yeah, we're in the rainy season around here, too. But it beats the
> snowy season.
>
> Do you want to compare crappy weather forecasts. Here's ours. You
> can't make up the crap.
>
> Tonight: A slight chance of showers after midnight. Cloudy, with a low
> around 47. West wind around 7 mph. Chance of precipitation is 20%.
>
> Thursday: Showers likely, mainly after noon. Cloudy, with a high near
> 61. South wind between 4 and 7 mph becoming calm. Chance of
> precipitation is 70%. New rainfall amounts between a tenth and quarter
> of an inch possible.
>
> Thursday Night: Periods of rain. Low around 40. Light wind becoming
> north between 13 and 16 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New
> rainfall amounts between three quarters and one inch possible.
>
> Friday: Periods of rain, mainly before noon. High near 48. Northwest
> wind between 11 and 13 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New
> rainfall amounts between a quarter and half of an inch possible.
>
> Friday Night: A chance of showers, mainly before 8pm. Partly cloudy,
> with a low around 35. West wind between 6 and 10 mph. Chance of
> precipitation is 30%.
>
> Saturday: A slight chance of showers before 8am. Partly cloudy, with a
> high near 51. Chance of precipitation is 20%.
>
> Saturday Night: A chance of rain showers after 8pm, mixing with snow
> after 4am. Partly cloudy, with a low around 34. Chance of
> precipitation is 30%.
>
> Sunday: Snow or rain showers likely. Mostly cloudy, with a high near
> 50. Chance of precipitation is 60%.
>
> Sunday Night: Rain showers mixed with snow showers likely. Cloudy,
> with a low around 35. Chance of precipitation is 60%.
>
> Monday: A chance of snow or rain showers. Cloudy, with a high near 45.
> Chance of precipitation is 50%.
>
> Monday Night: A chance of snow or rain showers. Mostly cloudy, with a
> low around 28. Chance of precipitation is 50%.
>
> Tuesday: A chance of snow or rain showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high
> near 43. Chance of precipitation is 40%.
>
> Tuesday Night: A chance of showers. Partly cloudy, with a low around
> 29. Chance of precipitation is 30%.
>
> Wednesday: A chance of snow or rain showers. Partly cloudy, with a
> high near 44. Chance of precipitation is 40%.
>
You would be drier living in an underwater home.
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