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Will Thompson's Water Seal protect OSB during framing or make it worse?
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| john@vieth.info 2006-10-19, 1:25 pm |
| My builder sayd he applies Thompson's Water Seal to the floor decks in
case there is rain prior to roofing. Does that help? It occurred to
me it might make it worse. If he applies it to the walking surface,
water could shed off the surface and into the cracks where it soaks
into the sides of the OSB boards. Once in the sides, the boards may
not dry out properly if the Thompson's product actually holds the water
*IN* as well as out. What do you think? Or am I just being a worry
wart?
Also, I have free access to axial air movers (fans) and portable
dehumidifiers used in the water damage restoration industry. Would it
help to run those after the roof is up? As for the dehumidifiers, they
would not help until the roof, windows, doors, and siding are up. A
guy told me it would do no good because, this time of year, the fans
would just be blowing damp air over a damp surface, but it seems to
work in the restoration industry, so why not?
- John
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john@vieth.info wrote:
> My builder sayd he applies Thompson's Water Seal to the floor decks in
> case there is rain prior to roofing. Does that help? It occurred to
> me it might make it worse. If he applies it to the walking surface,
> water could shed off the surface and into the cracks where it soaks
> into the sides of the OSB boards. Once in the sides, the boards may
> not dry out properly if the Thompson's product actually holds the water
> *IN* as well as out. What do you think? Or am I just being a worry
> wart?
>
> Also, I have free access to axial air movers (fans) and portable
> dehumidifiers used in the water damage restoration industry. Would it
> help to run those after the roof is up? As for the dehumidifiers, they
> would not help until the roof, windows, doors, and siding are up. A
> guy told me it would do no good because, this time of year, the fans
> would just be blowing damp air over a damp surface, but it seems to
> work in the restoration industry, so why not?
Yes, you're being a worry wart!  Yes, if it rains before it's
covered, water _will_ get in the joints between underlayment (and
everywhere else, as well) -- it's just a hazard of construction. The
Thompson's will, overall, probably help some as it will tend to help
runoff and surface absorption (and there's a whole lot more exposed
surface than edges). It isn't a real impervious sealant, but mostly
works as a "anti-surfactant" to promote beading and runoff/shedding.
Water will evaporate back out, perhaps slightly slower than without it,
but you almost certainly will have quite a bit less to get out than if
wasn't sealed first. The most useful thing one can do is to sweep all
standing water off as soon as possible after the rain to get the drying
process started asap.
As for fans, they will help speed up the proces at least some even if
the humidity is relatively high because they move the air and promote
evaporation. Unless it has been thoroughly soaked and you're not
having any warm, sunny days, however, I don't think I'd be overly
concerned about it until after it is enclosed, then you do want to try
to dry it out so that by the time the rest of the framing and interior
work is done it is thoroughly dry before flooring.
In general, though, this isn't the only house that has been open w/
rains and that's been true for "since forever" and you can't tell which
ones of all the houses around are the ones that were/weren't can you?
I'd only get concerned if this is going on for months or cold weather
sets in w/ frozen precip in place you can't get rid of and aren't going
to be able to do so for quite some time kind of scenarios, not just a
rainy day (or even week).
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| john@vieth.info 2006-10-19, 5:25 pm |
| Thanks fellas! I figured I was just being a nervous Nelly.
> In general, though, this isn't the only house that has been open w/
> rains and that's been true for "since forever" and you can't tell which
> ones of all the houses around are the ones that were/weren't can you?
Ah! Good point. A little bit of logic always helps. If raining on a
construction was so bad, I would have (1) heard about horror stories in
the past and (2) heard anecdotes about certain houses. "Oh, yeah,
that's Old Man Jone's place! Yeah, that's a shame! Cost half a mil to
build, and now his floors are like roller coasters because it rained
before he could get his roof on." Nope. Never heard a story like
that. I think I'm safe. :-)
- John
dpb wrote:
> john@vieth.info wrote:
>
> Yes, you're being a worry wart! Yes, if it rains before it's
> covered, water _will_ get in the joints between underlayment (and
> everywhere else, as well) -- it's just a hazard of construction. The
> Thompson's will, overall, probably help some as it will tend to help
> runoff and surface absorption (and there's a whole lot more exposed
> surface than edges). It isn't a real impervious sealant, but mostly
> works as a "anti-surfactant" to promote beading and runoff/shedding.
> Water will evaporate back out, perhaps slightly slower than without it,
> but you almost certainly will have quite a bit less to get out than if
> wasn't sealed first. The most useful thing one can do is to sweep all
> standing water off as soon as possible after the rain to get the drying
> process started asap.
>
> As for fans, they will help speed up the proces at least some even if
> the humidity is relatively high because they move the air and promote
> evaporation. Unless it has been thoroughly soaked and you're not
> having any warm, sunny days, however, I don't think I'd be overly
> concerned about it until after it is enclosed, then you do want to try
> to dry it out so that by the time the rest of the framing and interior
> work is done it is thoroughly dry before flooring.
>
> In general, though, this isn't the only house that has been open w/
> rains and that's been true for "since forever" and you can't tell which
> ones of all the houses around are the ones that were/weren't can you?
> I'd only get concerned if this is going on for months or cold weather
> sets in w/ frozen precip in place you can't get rid of and aren't going
> to be able to do so for quite some time kind of scenarios, not just a
> rainy day (or even week).
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john@vieth.info wrote:
> Thanks fellas! I figured I was just being a nervous Nelly.
>
>
> Ah! Good point. A little bit of logic always helps. If raining on a
> construction was so bad, I would have (1) heard about horror stories in
> the past and (2) heard anecdotes about certain houses. "Oh, yeah,
> that's Old Man Jone's place! Yeah, that's a shame! Cost half a mil to
> build, and now his floors are like roller coasters because it rained
> before he could get his roof on." Nope. Never heard a story like
> that. I think I'm safe. :-)
>
> - John
I heard it causes an attack of ladybugs.
[color=darkred]
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> dpb wrote:
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dpb wrote:
> john@vieth.info wrote:
>
> Yes, you're being a worry wart! Yes, if it rains before it's
> covered, water _will_ get in the joints between underlayment (and
> everywhere else, as well) -- it's just a hazard of construction. The
> Thompson's will, overall, probably help some as it will tend to help
> runoff and surface absorption (and there's a whole lot more exposed
> surface than edges). It isn't a real impervious sealant, but mostly
> works as a "anti-surfactant" to promote beading and runoff/shedding.
> Water will evaporate back out, perhaps slightly slower than without it,
> but you almost certainly will have quite a bit less to get out than if
> wasn't sealed first. The most useful thing one can do is to sweep all
> standing water off as soon as possible after the rain to get the drying
> process started asap.
>
> As for fans, they will help speed up the proces at least some even if
> the humidity is relatively high because they move the air and promote
> evaporation. Unless it has been thoroughly soaked and you're not
> having any warm, sunny days, however, I don't think I'd be overly
> concerned about it until after it is enclosed, then you do want to try
> to dry it out so that by the time the rest of the framing and interior
> work is done it is thoroughly dry before flooring.
>
> In general, though, this isn't the only house that has been open w/
> rains and that's been true for "since forever" and you can't tell which
> ones of all the houses around are the ones that were/weren't can you?
> I'd only get concerned if this is going on for months or cold weather
> sets in w/ frozen precip in place you can't get rid of and aren't going
> to be able to do so for quite some time kind of scenarios, not just a
> rainy day (or even week).
Tell him not to worry about the rain, because a true worry wart would
worry about all of the Thompson's fumes he'll be breathing in over the
next couple of years as it evaporates off.
Tell him that headaches, nausa, chills, and nightmares are just a few
of the things he can look forward to. It also causes the "new house,
new baby" syndrome (I think that's called "sexual side effects").
After all, it does say "use outdoors" for a reason.
Of course none of this is true, but it would get a true worry wart to
worry, none the less.
:-))
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<john@vieth.info> wrote in message
news:1161283272.285252.227610@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Ah! Good point. A little bit of logic always helps. If raining on a
> construction was so bad, I would have (1) heard about horror stories in
> the past and (2) heard anecdotes about certain houses. "Oh, yeah,
> that's Old Man Jone's place! Yeah, that's a shame! Cost half a mil to
> build, and now his floors are like roller coasters because it rained
> before he could get his roof on." Nope. Never heard a story like
> that.
You haven't?
Lot's of those stories. Torch it!
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| "Pat" <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote in message
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> john@vieth.info wrote:
>
> I heard it causes an attack of ladybugs.
Get out while you can!!!
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Edgar
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| "Pat" <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote in message
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> dpb wrote:
>
> Tell him not to worry about the rain, because a true worry wart would
> worry about all of the Thompson's fumes he'll be breathing in over the
> next couple of years as it evaporates off.
> Tell him that headaches, nausa, chills, and nightmares are just a few
> of the things he can look forward to. It also causes the "new house,
> new baby" syndrome (I think that's called "sexual side effects").
> After all, it does say "use outdoors" for a reason.
>
> Of course none of this is true, but it would get a true worry wart to
> worry, none the less.
>
> :-))
>
I'm getting worried about the worry wart.
--
Edgar
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| Bobk207 2006-10-19, 8:25 pm |
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john@vieth.info wrote:
> My builder sayd he applies Thompson's Water Seal to the floor decks in
> case there is rain prior to roofing. Does that help? It occurred to
> me it might make it worse. If he applies it to the walking surface,
> water could shed off the surface and into the cracks where it soaks
> into the sides of the OSB boards. Once in the sides, the boards may
> not dry out properly if the Thompson's product actually holds the water
> *IN* as well as out. What do you think? Or am I just being a worry
> wart?
>
> Also, I have free access to axial air movers (fans) and portable
> dehumidifiers used in the water damage restoration industry. Would it
> help to run those after the roof is up? As for the dehumidifiers, they
> would not help until the roof, windows, doors, and siding are up. A
> guy told me it would do no good because, this time of year, the fans
> would just be blowing damp air over a damp surface, but it seems to
> work in the restoration industry, so why not?
>
> - John
FYI feloow ng's....this is just Sasquatch posting under another name
to get some answers since he was such a ungrateful pita about the
railing
Learn anything about usenst, John?
cheers
Bob
You must have noticed that Sasquatch posts didn't get much in the way
of useful replies......
what goes around, comes around
btw you're still bordering on ocd, consider medication
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Bobk207 wrote:
> john@vieth.info wrote:
>
>
> FYI feloow ng's....this is just Sasquatch posting under another name
> to get some answers since he was such a ungrateful pita about the
> railing
>
> Learn anything about usenst, John?
>
> cheers
> Bob
>
> You must have noticed that Sasquatch posts didn't get much in the way
> of useful replies......
>
> what goes around, comes around
>
> btw you're still bordering on ocd, consider medication
Seriously, John - there are some things you can do. If you have
seriously standing water on an OSB or plywood deck, try to find the
deepest parts and drill a 3/4 inch hole there to let it drain. Use a
cordless drill or you might shock your XXX off. Even the new premium
OSBs will swell somewhat at the joints so my trim carpenter has an old
antique floor sander. The first thing he does is sand down every joint
and seam in the house and then install any underlayments so they lay
pefectly flat. I did the Thompsons Water Seal thing once years ago and
concluded it was wasted effort and money. The real thing to worry
about is having a good fast framing crew to get it under roof quickly.
monz
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| "Bobk207" <rkazanjy@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161305774.866263.312790@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> john@vieth.info wrote:
>
>
> FYI feloow ng's....this is just Sasquatch posting under another name
> to get some answers since he was such a ungrateful pita about the
> railing
>
> Learn anything about usenst, John?
>
> cheers
> Bob
>
> You must have noticed that Sasquatch posts didn't get much in the way
> of useful replies......
>
> what goes around, comes around
>
> btw you're still bordering on ocd, consider medication
>
Um, yeah I think most of us figured this out pretty quickly...so why are you
bringing it up?
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| john@vieth.info 2006-10-20, 5:25 pm |
| > > btw you're still bordering on ocd, consider medication
>
> Um, yeah I think most of us figured this out pretty quickly...so why are you
> bringing it up?
....because people with mental illnesses often want to indicate mental
illnesses for other people. It makes them feel better--less
inadequate. It's a personality trait called "leveling." Bob feels bad
about his own mental illness, or maybe even an entire family riddled
with mental illness, and he feels less badly when he accuses me of
having obsessive-compulsive disorder. It's PSYCH 101. But, hey, if I
can help Bob feel better about his worthless self, so be it. I'm happy
to help.
- John
Edgar wrote:
> "Bobk207" <rkazanjy@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1161305774.866263.312790@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> Um, yeah I think most of us figured this out pretty quickly...so why are you
> bringing it up?
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| Warm Worm 2006-10-20, 5:25 pm |
|
<john@vieth.info>
>
> ...because people with mental illnesses often want to indicate mental
> illnesses for other people. It makes them feel better--less
> inadequate. It's a personality trait called "leveling." Bob feels bad
> about his own mental illness, or maybe even an entire family riddled
> with mental illness, and he feels less badly when he accuses me of
> having obsessive-compulsive disorder. It's PSYCH 101. But, hey, if I
> can help Bob feel better about his worthless self, so be it. I'm happy
> to help.
>
> - John
John, maybe it wasn't you, but I could have sworn that you previously
expressed some sort of post-construction window-opening/placement concerns
on alt.architecture.
If only I had such apparent time and money...
Say, why don't we all go over there on your dime and do an old-fashioned
barn-raising and be done with it?
I realize that it might cut into your mynewoldhouse site's Google
Ad/Words/Sense cash cow, but you could always post pics. ;P
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| john@vieth.info 2006-10-20, 5:25 pm |
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Warm Worm wrote:
> John, maybe it wasn't you, but I could have sworn that you previously
> expressed some sort of post-construction window-opening/placement concerns
> on alt.architecture.
> If only I had such apparent time and money...
I'm not quite sure what you're asking/stating.
> Say, why don't we all go over there on your dime and do an old-fashioned
> barn-raising and be done with it?
That's alright. I think we've got it under control. But thanks for
offering.
> I realize that it might cut into your mynewoldhouse site's Google
> Ad/Words/Sense cash cow, but you could always post pics. ;P
Cash cow? Hardly. Google Adsense on my blog is basically an academic
exercise to play around with Adsense, formating, etc. I think that a
website would need to first generate traffic in order to generate
Google Adsense revenue. With what I've made so far, I couldn't even
take you out for lunch.
- John
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| Bobk207 2006-10-21, 3:25 am |
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john@vieth.info wrote:[color=darkred]
>
> ...because people with mental illnesses often want to indicate mental
> illnesses for other people. It makes them feel better--less
> inadequate. It's a personality trait called "leveling." Bob feels bad
> about his own mental illness, or maybe even an entire family riddled
> with mental illness, and he feels less badly when he accuses me of
> having obsessive-compulsive disorder. It's PSYCH 101. But, hey, if I
> can help Bob feel better about his worthless self, so be it. I'm happy
> to help.
>
> - John
>
> Edgar wrote:
Right, John.....keep it up with you inane repetative questions.
I guess you'll have change identities again to get them answered..
Here's a hint.....it's not the identity.....it's the behavior
I feel sorry for your GC.
cheers
Bob
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| Bobk207 2006-10-21, 3:25 am |
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john@vieth.info wrote:[color=darkred]
>
> ...because people with mental illnesses often want to indicate mental
> illnesses for other people. It makes them feel better--less
> inadequate. It's a personality trait called "leveling." Bob feels bad
> about his own mental illness, or maybe even an entire family riddled
> with mental illness, and he feels less badly when he accuses me of
> having obsessive-compulsive disorder. It's PSYCH 101. But, hey, if I
> can help Bob feel better about his worthless self, so be it. I'm happy
> to help.
>
> - John
>
> Edgar wrote:
Right, John.....keep it up with you inane repetative questions.
I guess you'll have change identities again to get them answered..
Here's a hint.....it's not the identity.....it's the behavior
I feel sorry for your GC.
cheers
Bob
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| Sasquatch 2006-10-21, 8:25 pm |
| Wow. Duplicate posts. Learn how to use Usenet, will you please? And
please buy some couch time and work out your anger issues. You need to
get rid of that toxic, poisonous hate that causes you to attach
strangers in Usenet discussion groups. Not healthy. Please get help.
- John
Bobk207 wrote:
> john@vieth.info wrote:
>
>
> Right, John.....keep it up with you inane repetative questions.
>
> I guess you'll have change identities again to get them answered..
>
> Here's a hint.....it's not the identity.....it's the behavior
>
> I feel sorry for your GC.
>
>
> cheers
> Bob
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| RicodJour 2006-10-21, 8:25 pm |
| john@vieth.info wrote:
> My builder sayd he applies Thompson's Water Seal to the floor decks in
> case there is rain prior to roofing. Does that help? It occurred to
> me it might make it worse. If he applies it to the walking surface,
> water could shed off the surface and into the cracks where it soaks
> into the sides of the OSB boards. Once in the sides, the boards may
> not dry out properly if the Thompson's product actually holds the water
> *IN* as well as out. What do you think? Or am I just being a worry
> wart?
>
> Also, I have free access to axial air movers (fans) and portable
> dehumidifiers used in the water damage restoration industry. Would it
> help to run those after the roof is up? As for the dehumidifiers, they
> would not help until the roof, windows, doors, and siding are up. A
> guy told me it would do no good because, this time of year, the fans
> would just be blowing damp air over a damp surface, but it seems to
> work in the restoration industry, so why not?
Google the damn newsgroups - this subject has been beaten to death.
You have a builder you don't trust, you hired a designer you don't
trust, yet you are still seeking advice from random people on Usenet.
Is that because you hired cheap or are because you a total putty mind?
Hard to tell form here.
Grow some testicles and make your own decisions.
R
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| RicodJour 2006-10-21, 8:25 pm |
| RicodJour wrote:
> john@vieth.info wrote:
The following corrections are submitted as a public service.
[color=darkred]
> Google the damn newsgroups - this subject has been beaten to death.
>
> You have a builder you don't trust, you hired a designer you don't
> trust, yet you are still seeking advice from random people on Usenet.
> Is that because you hired cheap or are {omit 'are'} because you
> {nsert 'are'} a total putty mind?
> Hard to tell form {sic} here.
>
> Grow some testicles and make your own decisions.
Sasquatch/John {most definitely sic}
R
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| Bobk207 2006-10-21, 8:25 pm |
|
Sasquatch wrote:[color=darkred]
> Wow. Duplicate posts. Learn how to use Usenet, will you please? And
> please buy some couch time and work out your anger issues. You need to
> get rid of that toxic, poisonous hate that causes you to attach
> strangers in Usenet discussion groups. Not healthy. Please get help.
>
> - John
>
> Bobk207 wrote:
John-
Stand up....the duplicate post joke went over your head.....ha ha ha
cheers
Bob
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| Bobk207 2006-10-21, 8:25 pm |
|
Sasquatch wrote:[color=darkred]
> Wow. Duplicate posts. Learn how to use Usenet, will you please? And
> please buy some couch time and work out your anger issues. You need to
> get rid of that toxic, poisonous hate that causes you to attach
> strangers in Usenet discussion groups. Not healthy. Please get help.
>
> - John
>
> Bobk207 wrote:
John-
Not "toxic, poisonous hate"........
I assume you meant attack not attach?
btw it's not an attack...it's "just the facts" ma'am
your behavior is outside the bounds of the group & you're being called
on it.......by many, not just me
it's kinda like trashing a park or dumping your ash tray in a parking
lot....it's a No-No & you need to be told what reasonable behavior is
just admit your mistakes & move on.
cheers
Bob
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| Sasquatch 2006-10-21, 9:25 pm |
| You're like a stalker. Get a life. Freak.
Bobk207 wrote:
> Sasquatch wrote:
>
> John-
>
> Not "toxic, poisonous hate"........
>
> I assume you meant attack not attach?
>
> btw it's not an attack...it's "just the facts" ma'am
>
> your behavior is outside the bounds of the group & you're being called
> on it.......by many, not just me
>
> it's kinda like trashing a park or dumping your ash tray in a parking
> lot....it's a No-No & you need to be told what reasonable behavior is
>
> just admit your mistakes & move on.
>
> cheers
> Bob
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| Bobk207 2006-10-21, 9:25 pm |
|
Sasquatch wrote:[color=darkred]
> You're like a stalker. Get a life. Freak.
>
> Bobk207 wrote:
DIdn't get the joke?
Sorry
ha, ha ha........
Cannot post w/o insults? Name calling?
On the facts alone.......you lose
ha, ha, ha
cheers
Bob
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| Warm Worm 2006-10-22, 3:25 am |
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<john@vieth.info>
> Warm Worm wrote:
>
> I'm not quite sure what you're asking/stating.
Tiny:
http://tinyurl.com/ybehab
Big:
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.a...8884c9c6bccb504
"Now, you are finding out (well after the construction has begun) that the
GC isn't specialized at all in colonial detailing and while this
construction is going on, you are scrambling to get some detailing together
to build out your house.
This, in turn, is surely causing delays and will undoubtebly cost more. Your
'savings' will soon or already have vanished. "
-- Pierre Levesque
I would fashion a guess that you're taking a "free", self-administered,
hands-on-practical course on homebuilding, with the end-product being a
full-scale working model.
>
> That's alright. I think we've got it under control. But thanks for
> offering.
Sweet.
>
> ...Google Adsense on my blog is basically an academic exercise to play
> around with Adsense, formating, etc.
Ah, I see... Kinda like building a house! ;)
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| Sasquatch 2006-10-22, 3:25 am |
| Uh, whatever that means, sure. Like I said--freak.
Bobk207 wrote:
> Sasquatch wrote:
>
> DIdn't get the joke?
>
> Sorry
>
> ha, ha ha........
>
> Cannot post w/o insults? Name calling?
>
> On the facts alone.......you lose
>
> ha, ha, ha
>
> cheers
> Bob
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| RicodJour 2006-10-22, 5:25 pm |
| john@vieth.info wrote:
>
> It's a personality trait called "leveling."
Which is what they'll probably have to do to your house.
I'm taking bets that John's next persona has a girl's name. I'm
thinking Cindy or Bethany - something that will hopefully elicit more
sympathy for his decision-making plight. I'm giving odds. Any takers?
R
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| "RicodJour"> wrote
> john@vieth.info wrote:
>
> Which is what they'll probably have to do to your house.
>
> I'm taking bets that John's next persona has a girl's name. I'm
> thinking Cindy or Bethany - something that will hopefully elicit more
> sympathy for his decision-making plight. I'm giving odds. Any takers?
I heard that 60% of the *females* online are really males.
Dateline proved that there is not one 13 yo girl anywhere in the world
online, ever.
All of them are male gov't goonz in their 40's with big bellys, shaved
heads, goatee's and pictures of barbwire on their steroid infested biceps.
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