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Garage Pic - Day 2

Don

2006-10-26, 3:25 am

OK, halfway done with the exterior walls, almost.
24'x36' = 120' of wall, and 56' are now completed, almost. heh
The garage door headers (2-2x10) were the worst part so I'm glad thats in
the past.
The balance of the walls will be pretty straight forward with 2 more 3'x3'
windows and 2-3' swing doors.
If not for the downturn in the weather I would expect to have the walls
completed by Friday and that includes the firestops @ 24" o/c vert., all the
sheathing, anchor bolts/tapcons, etc.
But alas it has started raining about 8pm today and is expected to stay this
way til early next week.
Whatta drag.

Oh well, I guess I can always hang out in various NG's and piss and moan
about my walls getting wet. LOL
(fortunately I haven't called for the delivery of my trusses yet)

Again, a nasty cellphone pic.
http://i13.tinypic.com/33tj813.jpg

Ken S. Tucker

2006-10-26, 9:25 am

Don

2006-10-26, 9:25 am

"Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Speaking of rain, does your concrete pad have
> a slope?

Yes and no.
I was very adament about having a completely level floor.
However I had concerns about water running in the garage doors so we
recessed the door openings 1" and then sloped the openings abruptly.
6' in from the doors the flor is flat and level again.
In the spring I may install some perforated pipe and gravel along the front
of the building if the runoff from the sloped drive is a problem.

> In this area, code suggests styro insulation needs to be
> applied around the pad, 20" vertical or horizontal.
> That is to prevent frost and cold from getting under
> an unheated pad, it's an "insulation" requirement.

I was told that shouldn't be a problem around here.

Ken S. Tucker

2006-10-26, 1:25 pm

Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> Yes and no.
> I was very adament about having a completely level floor.

Ok, my philosophy is that there is no such thing
as a "completely level floor", so if water spills
pre-program where is goes by a gentle slope,
I use ~1" over 8'.

> However I had concerns about water running in the garage doors so we
> recessed the door openings 1" and then sloped the openings abruptly.
> 6' in from the doors the flor is flat and level again.
> In the spring I may install some perforated pipe and gravel along the front
> of the building if the runoff from the sloped drive is a problem.

Sounds good! It's the thaw and freeze that sucks.
A buddy of mine had a problem with his garage door
frozen to the ground, and leaving a gap causes vermin
problems.

>
> I was told that shouldn't be a problem around here.

Say Don, [Don], since when does you the boss dood
believe what you're told? I'm framing your post for
future generations! But I hear ya.
A buddy of mine took that gamble and frost got under
and cracked his reinforced pad, no big deal, but he
didn't like it. I'm not sure if it will get worse over time.
Frankly, I'd get a 2nd opinion. Your climate suggests
a saturated soil from Autumn rain, in a low drainage
clay bed, that will expand by measureable inches
when the frost takes hold under the perimeter of your
pad, creating uneven load distribtion.
I invite soil engineers to criticize my understanding.
Fair Skies
Ken

RicodJour

2006-10-26, 1:25 pm

Pat

2006-10-26, 1:25 pm

Ron

2006-10-26, 5:25 pm

"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
news:ehp9m002gte@news1.newsguy.com:

> OK, halfway done with the exterior walls, almost.
> 24'x36' = 120' of wall, and 56' are now completed, almost. heh
> The garage door headers (2-2x10) were the worst part so I'm glad thats
> in the past.

Hey Don, curious why you went with 8' wide doors instead of 9 ?

My truck mirrors don't miss the door jambs by much on 9' doors.

Also the why were headers the worst part ? You are building these walls on
the floor first aren't you ?

Ron

Don

2006-10-26, 5:25 pm

"Ron" <ron@nospamng.ca> wrote in message
news:Xns986877DE28E62spamngca@199.175.106.247...
> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
> news:ehp9m002gte@news1.newsguy.com:
>
>
> Hey Don, curious why you went with 8' wide doors instead of 9 ?
>
> My truck mirrors don't miss the door jambs by much on 9' doors.

I have an S10 so the width of the doors are OK.
I will be building large cabinets on the inside side walls so I need the
space.

> Also the why were headers the worst part ? You are building these walls on
> the floor first aren't you ?

Yes, I'm building the walls on the floor.
Because of the slight floor slope inside the garage door openings, and the
location of the materials, I had to build the 8' header walls farther from
the openings than what I wanted, then stand them up and scoot them into
place, lift them up and over the anchor bolts without ripping the sill seal
material while the wind was blowing. The orientation of the walls makes them
very top heavy. Go lift an 8'9" 2x10 sometime then times that times 2. I ran
the PT bottom plate continuous and I will cut it out later on. Basically it
is a very flimsy wall thats very top heavy. Sort of awkward to work with.

Don

2006-10-26, 5:25 pm

"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
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> Don wrote:
>
> 24" oc fireblocking? Why so close together? You'd mentioned your
> preference for blocked plywood edges (thought you were just talking
> about the roof sheathing), but what's with the intermediate blocking?

I'm talking about all plywood edges and intermediate nailing.
The interior of the garage will be sheathed in 1/2" OSB and I have lots of
things I will be building onto the walls.
I need the 24"c/c blocking to accomodate the stuff I'll be building in
there.

>
> When it starts snowing you'll be wishing for the rain.

Maybe.
I'm thinking though, that snow will be easier to deal with than rain.

>
> Don, bring the A game, okay? No more crappy pictures. I want high-res
> - something where I can see if you're using a milled face hammer for
> framing or not.

Look, we have somewhere around 200 packed boxes in (3) 10'x10' storage units
and somewhere in one of those boxes is my card reader and my usb cord.
I've looked and looked but as of yet have been unable to find either.
But thats the least of my problems.
I reformatted my main HD a few months ago so now I have to beg, plead,
bribe, threaten my son to get an ftp client connected to my site.
FWIW: my weapon of choice is a 26oz Estwing waffle face. If you miss it'll
make your finger/thumb look like a beaver tail. heh

Don

2006-10-26, 5:25 pm

"Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> Ok, my philosophy is that there is no such thing
> as a "completely level floor", so if water spills
> pre-program where is goes by a gentle slope,
> I use ~1" over 8'.

I keep hearing that over and over but it just won't apply here.
There will be *no liquids* at all on this garage floor.
Unless I spill a brew or something. :-)
This place is going to be my workshop and perhaps storage over the winter
for my wifes car.
My truck and my sons mustang will remain outside.
My wife drives very little, less than 300 miles since we've been here and
she says once the snow falls she'll not be going anywhere.
If not for the steep slope that leads from the road down to the front of the
garage I wouldn't have conceded the small slope at the doors thats there
currently.

**If I do an oil change and spill some oil I don't want it running toward
the door, but rather stay right where its at.
I'm going to have some expensive machinery set up in this garage that will
need to be perfectly level no matter where I wheel it to so the floor HAS to
be level.
FWIW: I watched the thing close, and checked the specs after the fact and
the people that did this concrete work did a very nice job. I'm very pleased
with it.
Down where I'm from you almost have to pull a gun on people to get anything
even remotely close to being acceptable.
The concrete work was expensive, but all in all its worth it I suppose.

Ken S. Tucker

2006-10-26, 5:25 pm

Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> I keep hearing that over and over but it just won't apply here.
> There will be *no liquids* at all on this garage floor.
> Unless I spill a brew or something. :-)
> This place is going to be my workshop and perhaps storage over the winter
> for my wifes car.
> My truck and my sons mustang will remain outside.
> My wife drives very little, less than 300 miles since we've been here and
> she says once the snow falls she'll not be going anywhere.
> If not for the steep slope that leads from the road down to the front of the
> garage I wouldn't have conceded the small slope at the doors thats there
> currently.
>
> **If I do an oil change and spill some oil I don't want it running toward
> the door, but rather stay right where its at.
> I'm going to have some expensive machinery set up in this garage that will
> need to be perfectly level no matter where I wheel it to so the floor HAS to
> be level.
> FWIW: I watched the thing close, and checked the specs after the fact and
> the people that did this concrete work did a very nice job. I'm very pleased
> with it.
> Down where I'm from you almost have to pull a gun on people to get anything
> even remotely close to being acceptable.
> The concrete work was expensive, but all in all its worth it I suppose.

It's looking good, fortunately guy's at our age
know what we want and how to get it, ie tickle
the wife until she says yes. Lookin' forward to
how you gonna do the trusses, but I'll wait for
that upcoming episode. There's a real good
chance you'll get an "indian summer", which
could be 2-3 weeks of nice weather, that usually
follows a few flurries, great time to clock sweat,
looks like you'll be nicely shelled by December.

Btw, bought an "Air Admittance Valve", fits 1.5"
for $6, thanks for the tip. They call it an Auto-
Vent, cute little thing, only 3"x2"dia, the plumbing
guy says it's adequate and code approved.
I have a few awkward vents threw an interior wall
that I may replace, too make room for organizers!
Clear Skies
Ken

Ron

2006-10-27, 1:25 pm

"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
news:ehr4vr07vp@news3.newsguy.com:

>
> "Ron" <ron@nospamng.ca> wrote in message
> news:Xns986877DE28E62spamngca@199.175.106.247...
>
> I have an S10 so the width of the doors are OK.
> I will be building large cabinets on the inside side walls so I need
> the space.

Mine is only a Dakota but I have to begin turning asap so width is a
plus. From garage door to 35'+ drop off I have 26' to backout!

>
> Yes, I'm building the walls on the floor.
> Because of the slight floor slope inside the garage door openings, and
> the location of the materials, I had to build the 8' header walls
> farther from the openings than what I wanted, then stand them up and
> scoot them into place, lift them up and over the anchor bolts without
> ripping the sill seal material while the wind was blowing. The
> orientation of the walls makes them very top heavy. Go lift an 8'9"
> 2x10 sometime then times that times 2. I ran the PT bottom plate
> continuous and I will cut it out later on. Basically it is a very
> flimsy wall thats very top heavy. Sort of awkward to work with.

Aaah I got you, erecting wall like that is a pain, i nail a 2x4 across
the bottom of the door opening(s) so it doesn't wave around so much.

Ken S. Tucker

2006-10-27, 1:25 pm

Ron wrote:
> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
> news:ehr4vr07vp@news3.newsguy.com:
....

That's a 2 beer job.
[color=darkred]
>
> Aaah I got you, erecting wall like that is a pain, i nail a 2x4 across
> the bottom of the door opening(s) so it doesn't wave around so much.

I was reminded of the funny scene where Buster Keaton
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000036/
was building a house or something and the front of a
two story house falls down over him, but because of
where he was standing a window went right over him.

Help me, what was name of that movie, it was silent.
Anyway, that guy was gutsy, I saw a documentary
about him and it claimed that he actually did that, no
trick photography.

We had to build our walls on saw-horses, with the
sheathing applied and stained and the top 2' of the
10' wall pre insulated and panelled making it a bit
top heavy. I spec'd 1/2" plywood sheathing nailed
and glued, the stain is easily applied to a horizontal
surface. I plunge cut the windows out too.
Removing the saw horse nearest to the wall then
lowering the wall close to where it goes up, then
muscle hoist of course with a rope securing it.
After it's nearly vertical another rope is wrapped around
a pounded ground peg and voila, secured, it's basically
a production line.
Ken

Don

2006-10-27, 5:25 pm

"Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> I was reminded of the funny scene where Buster Keaton
> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000036/
> was building a house or something and the front of a
> two story house falls down over him, but because of
> where he was standing a window went right over him.
>
> Help me, what was name of that movie, it was silent.
> Anyway, that guy was gutsy, I saw a documentary
> about him and it claimed that he actually did that, no
> trick photography.

That was called "Steamboat Bill" from 1928 and to this day that scene is
considered the greatest stunt in movie history.
He could have been killed in a second if that wall twisted or if he was off
by a 1/2".
Keaton was physical comedy to the max.

Warm Worm

2006-10-27, 5:25 pm

"Don"
> OK, halfway done with the exterior walls, almost.
> 24'x36' = 120' of wall, and 56' are now completed, almost. heh
> The garage door headers (2-2x10) were the worst part so I'm glad thats in
> the past.
> The balance of the walls will be pretty straight forward with 2 more 3'x3'
> windows and 2-3' swing doors.
> If not for the downturn in the weather I would expect to have the walls
> completed by Friday and that includes the firestops @ 24" o/c vert., all
> the sheathing, anchor bolts/tapcons, etc.
> But alas it has started raining about 8pm today and is expected to stay
> this way til early next week.
> Whatta drag.
>
> Oh well, I guess I can always hang out in various NG's and piss and moan
> about my walls getting wet. LOL
> (fortunately I haven't called for the delivery of my trusses yet)
>
> Again, a nasty cellphone pic.
> http://i13.tinypic.com/33tj813.jpg

If you could take them at roughly the same spot, level and angle (point of
view) every time, they could be collated and then animated for a time-lapse.
I'd be willing to do that if you'd like.
If interested, just take two pictures (or more) the days you do any work at
the same time each day respectively, and in the same spot, or one that you
think will be relatively free of obstacles.

Ken S. Tucker

2006-10-27, 5:25 pm

Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> That was called "Steamboat Bill" from 1928 and to this day that scene is
> considered the greatest stunt in movie history.
> He could have been killed in a second if that wall twisted or if he was off
> by a 1/2".
> Keaton was physical comedy to the max.

Awesome! When I first saw that as a kid, I thought
holy shit, but figured they subbed a cardboard look-
a-like for the actual falling wall, but later after studying
Keaton, believe he'd really do that.
I figure most actors are professional phonies, nothing
wrong with that, they're well paid, but that Keaton is
not a phoney. Saw him in an old Candid Camera clip,
just eating soup in a restaurant, and nearly herniated
laughing. I think I'll start collecting him.
Thanks again, Don you must have a elephant memory.
Ken
PS: Don, don't try that at home :-).

Ken S. Tucker

2006-10-27, 5:25 pm

Ken S. Tucker

2006-10-27, 5:25 pm

Ken S. Tucker

2006-10-27, 5:25 pm

Ken S. Tucker

2006-10-27, 5:25 pm

Pat

2006-10-27, 8:25 pm

Ken S. Tucker wrote:
> Don wrote:
>
> Awesome! When I first saw that as a kid, I thought
> holy shit, but figured they subbed a cardboard look-
> a-like for the actual falling wall, but later after studying
> Keaton, believe he'd really do that.
> I figure most actors are professional phonies, nothing
> wrong with that, they're well paid, but that Keaton is
> not a phoney. Saw him in an old Candid Camera clip,
> just eating soup in a restaurant, and nearly herniated
> laughing. I think I'll start collecting him.
> Thanks again...
> Ken
> PS: Don, don't try that at home :-).

Cool. As I was looking for Buster Keaton, I found this. Pretty cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFd8GiOaJoE

RicodJour

2006-10-27, 8:25 pm

Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> That was called "Steamboat Bill" from 1928 and to this day that scene is
> considered the greatest stunt in movie history.
> He could have been killed in a second if that wall twisted or if he was off
> by a 1/2".
> Keaton was physical comedy to the max.

Old Stoneface had a tough childhood. He was used as a living prop by
his vaudeville family from the age of about two or three. They'd toss
him bodily across the stage for laughs. He was a master and he paid
the price. Too bad he wasn't old enough to decide for himself whether
the price was worth it or not.

R

Pat

2006-10-28, 1:25 pm

Don wrote:
> OK, halfway done with the exterior walls, almost.
> 24'x36' = 120' of wall, and 56' are now completed, almost. heh
> The garage door headers (2-2x10) were the worst part so I'm glad thats in
> the past.
> The balance of the walls will be pretty straight forward with 2 more 3'x3'
> windows and 2-3' swing doors.
> If not for the downturn in the weather I would expect to have the walls
> completed by Friday and that includes the firestops @ 24" o/c vert., all the
> sheathing, anchor bolts/tapcons, etc.
> But alas it has started raining about 8pm today and is expected to stay this
> way til early next week.
> Whatta drag.
>
> Oh well, I guess I can always hang out in various NG's and piss and moan
> about my walls getting wet. LOL
> (fortunately I haven't called for the delivery of my trusses yet)
>
> Again, a nasty cellphone pic.
> http://i13.tinypic.com/33tj813.jpg

Hey, why don't you move up here and try to built:

A WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 11 PM EDT THIS
EVENING TO 5 PM EST SUNDAY.

ACCUMULATING LAKE EFFECT SNOW IS LIKELY TONIGHT INTO SUNDAY.
INDICATIONS ARE THAT THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR 3 TO 5 INCHES
GENERALLY ACROSS WYOMING AND SOUTHERN ERIE COUNTIES TONIGHT WITH
UP TO 8 INCHES IN THE MOST PERSISTENT BANDS. ACROSS THE SOUTHERN
TIER AS MUCH AS 6 TO 12 INCHES IS POSSIBLE OVER THE HIGHEST
ELEVATIONS OF CATTARAUGUS COUNTY AND INLAND AREAS OF CHAUTAUQUA
COUNTY. IT MAY BE WARM ENOUGH IN THE LOWER ELEVATIONS ALONG THE
LAKE ERIE SHORE TO PRODUCE LITTLE IF ANY ACCUMULATION.

ALONG WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR HEAVY LAKE EFFECT SNOW...THERE WILL
BE THE THREAT OF HIGH WINDS. WESTERLY WINDS OF 30 TO 40 MPH MAY
GUST OVER 60 MPH AT TIMES...ESPECIALLY ALONG THE HILLTOPS AND
RIDGES. TREES WEIGHTED DOWN WITH THE HEAVY WET SNOW WILL BE IN
DANGER OF LOSING LARGE LIMBS OR TOPPLING OVER...TAKING POWER LINES
DOWN OR BLOCKING ROADS.

A WINTER STORM WARNING IS ISSUED WHEN SEVERE WINTER WEATHER IS
EXPECTED. HEAVY SNOW AND STRONG WINDS WILL CAUSE HAZARDOUS
DRIVING CONDITIONS. IF YOU WILL BE TRAVELING IN THE WARNING AREA
YOU SHOULD CHOOSE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE IF POSSIBLE...OR YOU SHOULD
USE EXTREME CAUTION IF TRAVEL IS UNAVOIDABLE. STAY TUNED TO NOAA
WEATHER RADIO AND OTHER RADIO AND TV STATIONS FOR FURTHER DETAILS
OR UPDATES.

Ken S. Tucker

2006-10-29, 1:25 pm

Pat wrote:
> Ken S. Tucker wrote:
>
> Cool. As I was looking for Buster Keaton, I found this. Pretty cool.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFd8GiOaJoE

Thanks Pat, thats it!
Ken
PS: Pardon the multiple postings, something screws
up and says to post again so I do and then see it
posted like 5 times, it's rare and not deliberate, and
no I don't stutter...much.

Pierre Levesque, AIA

2006-10-30, 9:25 am

"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
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>
> Pat wrote:
>
> Thanks Pat, thats it!
> Ken
> PS: Pardon the multiple postings, something screws
> up and says to post again so I do and then see it
> posted like 5 times, it's rare and not deliberate, and
> no I don't stutter...much.

You mean m-m-m-m-uch don't you?
>

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