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| jjbruce@gmail.com 2006-11-16, 9:25 am |
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Hi,
I am stuck for ideas on this one,there are many possibilities for
a
fix however none suit me,I would like your opinion.
The building is a lean-to with a 25/25 roof which spans out to about 26
feet wide with a length of 15 feet.
Problem is that the end wall is doubling in on its self,originally I
though the whole thing had crept out from the lean-to and had caused
the wall the warp,but it is collapsing in the middle where the triangle
truss meets the wall frame.
On top of this the walls end wall with the problem and side walls are
constructed using 3x2inch uprights...lol.other wise a good strong brace
could have been cut into the normal 4x2in wall and truss to hold it
upright or try to.
The height of the roof is about 17 feet ,a fake ceiling is one option
running a 15 foot bearer to push the wall out and adding a load bearing
wall at the lean to end,however would like to keep the high ceiling.
I have put truss bracing across the 25/25 roof near the top and lifted
the roof about an inch to fit the horizontal trusses and bolt them
in,but the end wall still dose take some weight to my dislike.
How can I keep this end wall straight even if it dose not carry much
weight.
Rebuild is out of the question.....don't ask about 3x2 walls and 21 1/2
in centers,it must have been an inside government job.
Thanks for any ideas
To add to this there is an open fireplace right in the middle or the
end wall that is folding in on itself,so a good pole at the end is not
an option.
TIA
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| What is a 25/25 roof?
I'm personally not getting a clear mental image of what you've described.
But it does sound like the endwall has some structural issues.
Is the fireplace leaning in and pulling the endwall with it?
If so, the fireplace needs to be corrected first and that will help
straighten the existing endwall(s) as there is one on either side of the
fireplace.
<jjbruce@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163678923.536127.123720@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> reposted from alt.building.construction
>
>
> Hi,
> I am stuck for ideas on this one,there are many possibilities for
> a
> fix however none suit me,I would like your opinion.
>
> The building is a lean-to with a 25/25 roof which spans out to about 26
> feet wide with a length of 15 feet.
>
> Problem is that the end wall is doubling in on its self,originally I
> though the whole thing had crept out from the lean-to and had caused
> the wall the warp,but it is collapsing in the middle where the triangle
> truss meets the wall frame.
> On top of this the walls end wall with the problem and side walls are
> constructed using 3x2inch uprights...lol.other wise a good strong brace
> could have been cut into the normal 4x2in wall and truss to hold it
> upright or try to.
> The height of the roof is about 17 feet ,a fake ceiling is one option
> running a 15 foot bearer to push the wall out and adding a load bearing
> wall at the lean to end,however would like to keep the high ceiling.
>
> I have put truss bracing across the 25/25 roof near the top and lifted
> the roof about an inch to fit the horizontal trusses and bolt them
> in,but the end wall still dose take some weight to my dislike.
>
> How can I keep this end wall straight even if it dose not carry much
> weight.
> Rebuild is out of the question.....don't ask about 3x2 walls and 21 1/2
> in centers,it must have been an inside government job.
>
> Thanks for any ideas
>
> To add to this there is an open fireplace right in the middle or the
> end wall that is folding in on itself,so a good pole at the end is not
> an option.
> TIA
>
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| Michael Bulatovich 2006-11-16, 9:25 am |
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<jjbruce@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163678923.536127.123720@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> reposted from alt.building.construction
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> Hi,
> I am stuck for ideas on this one,there are many possibilities for
> a
> fix however none suit me,I would like your opinion.
>
> The building is a lean-to with a 25/25 roof which spans out to about 26
> feet wide with a length of 15 feet.
> Thanks for any ideas
>
> To add to this there is an open fireplace right in the middle or the
> end wall that is folding in on itself,so a good pole at the end is not
> an option.
I'm completely lost. Why not post some drawings or pictures somewhere?
--
MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca
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| jjbruce@gmail.com 2006-11-16, 8:25 pm |
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25/25 means it slopes 25 degree's either way,like a triangle
The fire place is standalone,having no affect on the wall.It just gets
in the way and is an obsticle for the fix.
The end wall is made from 3x2 uprights,you are right,structual issues
it has for sure.
It has stood for about 60 years this way,it will continue to stand,just
I want to put plaster board on the walls and a warped all looks bad.
Don wrote:[color=darkred]
> What is a 25/25 roof?
> I'm personally not getting a clear mental image of what you've described.
> But it does sound like the endwall has some structural issues.
> Is the fireplace leaning in and pulling the endwall with it?
> If so, the fireplace needs to be corrected first and that will help
> straighten the existing endwall(s) as there is one on either side of the
> fireplace.
>
>
> <jjbruce@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1163678923.536127.123720@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
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| OK, thats almost what we call a 6/12 pitch roof.
It sounds like your end wall is actually 2 load bearing walls with a
fireplace in the middle.
I'm not sure how the *free ends* of the endwall, that is the parts adjacent
to the fireplace, keep from blowing out.
The corners of the endwall are anchored to the perpendicular sidewalls and
that is what keeps them where they are.
If this is the case then the only reasonable way to fix that thing is to fix
the fireplace and make it stucturally sound and THEN you can anchor the
currently *free ends* of the load bearing endwall to the fireplace.
Maybe I'm just not seeing this thing right and thats why pix are worth
shrillions of words.
<jjbruce@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163721679.926334.230250@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
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> 25/25 means it slopes 25 degree's either way,like a triangle
> The fire place is standalone,having no affect on the wall.It just gets
> in the way and is an obsticle for the fix.
> The end wall is made from 3x2 uprights,you are right,structual issues
> it has for sure.
>
> It has stood for about 60 years this way,it will continue to stand,just
> I want to put plaster board on the walls and a warped all looks bad.
>
>
> Don wrote:
>
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| If this is a "lean to" in the traditional sense, with an open wall and
not constantly heated, it might not be such a good idea to sheetrock
it. As mentioned, a picture or two would be nice.
jjbruce@gmail.com wrote:[color=darkred]
> 25/25 means it slopes 25 degree's either way,like a triangle
> The fire place is standalone,having no affect on the wall.It just gets
> in the way and is an obsticle for the fix.
> The end wall is made from 3x2 uprights,you are right,structual issues
> it has for sure.
>
> It has stood for about 60 years this way,it will continue to stand,just
> I want to put plaster board on the walls and a warped all looks bad.
>
>
> Don wrote:
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| jjbruce@gmail.com 2006-11-17, 3:26 am |
| Michael Bulatovich wrote:
> <jjbruce@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1163678923.536127.123720@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
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> I'm completely lost. Why not post some drawings or pictures somewhere?
> --
>
>
> MichaelB
> www.michaelbulatovich.ca
Problem solved.....I am running uprights from the bottom plate to the
top plate and bolting them in,some effort was required to push the wall
out,with a couple large planks and a sledge hammer,the worst thing was
I had to cut the horizontals between the the plates,which I was tring
to avoid,an 76 year old guy convinced me it was the best option.
Thanks again.
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| jjbruce@gmail.com 2006-11-17, 3:26 am |
| Hi,
6/12 I understand....
I think you have it right,I must say this a great idea,to say the
least,brilliant thinking,
I certainly did not consider this,only with this idea the anchors would
be exposed at wall height as this is a pitched ceiling.
I like this idea........
Don wrote:[color=darkred]
> OK, thats almost what we call a 6/12 pitch roof.
>
> It sounds like your end wall is actually 2 load bearing walls with a
> fireplace in the middle.
> I'm not sure how the *free ends* of the endwall, that is the parts adjacent
> to the fireplace, keep from blowing out.
> The corners of the endwall are anchored to the perpendicular sidewalls and
> that is what keeps them where they are.
> If this is the case then the only reasonable way to fix that thing is to fix
> the fireplace and make it stucturally sound and THEN you can anchor the
> currently *free ends* of the load bearing endwall to the fireplace.
>
> Maybe I'm just not seeing this thing right and thats why pix are worth
> shrillions of words.
>
>
> <jjbruce@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1163721679.926334.230250@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
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| jjbruce@gmail.com 2006-11-17, 9:25 am |
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Hi,
It has a closed wall it was a lean to built onto an older
building(1910) with shingle roof...lol.
The wall it leans onto has weather boards,they just banged a 3x 1 /12
on the wall in a 6/12 format and then extended to roof off this.
The room is going two layers of silver paper and wall batts ,same with
the roof,and sheet rock.
Not sure about the wooden floor which was not tounge & grove,will just
try to seal it and see how it goes,maybe underlay under the floor and
batts if the room will not stay warm.
It is zero degress C for 9months of the year here.
Have found a solution but have a picture of what was happening for
curiousity sake.
The the top 6/12 plate was folding inwards.
I bolted uprights in and all worked well,had to cut plate in two spots
http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?...diagram2rr3.jpg
My image is primitive but so is out life this way.
Pat wrote:[color=darkred]
> If this is a "lean to" in the traditional sense, with an open wall and
> not constantly heated, it might not be such a good idea to sheetrock
> it. As mentioned, a picture or two would be nice.
>
> jjbruce@gmail.com wrote:
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| Are you going to heat it and keep it heated? If not, you should
discuss whether you want to use sheetrock or some other type of wall.
jjbruce@gmail.com wrote:[color=darkred]
> Hi,
> It has a closed wall it was a lean to built onto an older
> building(1910) with shingle roof...lol.
> The wall it leans onto has weather boards,they just banged a 3x 1 /12
> on the wall in a 6/12 format and then extended to roof off this.
>
> The room is going two layers of silver paper and wall batts ,same with
> the roof,and sheet rock.
> Not sure about the wooden floor which was not tounge & grove,will just
> try to seal it and see how it goes,maybe underlay under the floor and
> batts if the room will not stay warm.
> It is zero degress C for 9months of the year here.
>
> Have found a solution but have a picture of what was happening for
> curiousity sake.
> The the top 6/12 plate was folding inwards.
> I bolted uprights in and all worked well,had to cut plate in two spots
>
> http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?...diagram2rr3.jpg
>
> My image is primitive but so is out life this way.
>
> Pat wrote:
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| Jude Alexander 2006-11-17, 9:25 am |
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"Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message
news:ejhucl0dsv@news4.newsguy.com...
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> <jjbruce@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1163678923.536127.123720@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> I'm completely lost. Why not post some drawings or pictures somewhere?
> --
>
>
> MichaelB
> www.michaelbulatovich.ca
I think you guys have all been trolled.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-17, 9:25 am |
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Jude Alexander wrote:[color=darkred]
> "Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message
> news:ejhucl0dsv@news4.newsguy.com...
Jude: "I think you guys have all been trolled."
Yeah, I couldn't decipher it, bit of a shame
wasting well intentioned peoples time.
Ken
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| Jude Alexander 2006-11-17, 9:25 am |
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"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
news:1163771446.186018.135620@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> Jude Alexander wrote:
>
> Jude: "I think you guys have all been trolled."
>
> Yeah, I couldn't decipher it, bit of a shame
> wasting well intentioned peoples time.
> Ken
I thought he was a troll as the very beginning. But then, I thought well,
maybe he's just full of himself and his self made jargon. Yet, in the end,
when he was talking about how brillant 6:12 slope was and all the statements
thereafter, there was no doubt in my mind.
>
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-17, 9:25 am |
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Jude Alexander wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
> news:1163771446.186018.135620@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
....
>
> I thought he was a troll as the very beginning. But then, I thought well,
> maybe he's just full of himself and his self made jargon. Yet, in the end,
> when he was talking about how brillant 6:12 slope was and all the statements
> thereafter, there was no doubt in my mind.
Yes, this link
http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?...diagram2rr3.jpg
she posted today is mildly humorous.
Ken
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| Jude Alexander 2006-11-17, 9:25 am |
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"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
news:1163774124.348197.267420@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
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> Jude Alexander wrote:
> ...
>
> Yes, this link
> http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?...diagram2rr3.jpg
> she posted today is mildly humorous.
> Ken
What makes you think the poster is female?
>
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-17, 9:25 am |
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Jude Alexander wrote:[color=darkred]
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
> news:1163774124.348197.267420@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Jude: "What makes you think the poster is female?"
In counter-pre-assumption to your repeated use of
"he", I could ask you why you think the poster is a
guy, Btw never meant to imply you were the "poster",
however recently an odd ball who claimed to be female
named "Tara" got my attention and her comments
were directed toward humiliating architects.
Ken
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| Jude Alexander 2006-11-17, 9:25 am |
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"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
news:1163775819.226028.38580@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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> Jude Alexander wrote:
>
> Jude: "What makes you think the poster is female?"
>
> In counter-pre-assumption to your repeated use of
> "he", I could ask you why you think the poster is a
> guy, Btw never meant to imply you were the "poster",
> however recently an odd ball who claimed to be female
> named "Tara" got my attention and her comments
> were directed toward humiliating architects.
> Ken
It is a known language rule that you use "he" when the gender is unknown.
I'm a guy. My name is Jude and is not short for Judith.
I saw the "Tara" post. Her posting host is 168.143.113.120 which is
Verio.net. This person's posting host is 203.220.204.51 which is Google.
Could be the same person using two different accounts.
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| jjbruce@gmail.com 2006-11-26, 9:25 am |
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Jude Alexander wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
> news:1163775819.226028.38580@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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> It is a known language rule that you use "he" when the gender is unknown.
>
> I'm a guy. My name is Jude and is not short for Judith.
>
> I saw the "Tara" post. Her posting host is 168.143.113.120 which is
> Verio.net. This person's posting host is 203.220.204.51 which is Google.
> Could be the same person using two different accounts.
I am he...posting from Australia,....lol
The room will be almost always heated,it is a very damp place however.
Some pictures of the final product and the room itself and wall board
going up.
Wall is now straight,the plaster is only held by a couple screws so
makes the wall look off straight but it is so close I am happy,and it
won't move again,the whole room will blow away if it goes anywhere,more
liky the roof will blow off,as I increased overhang slightly ....lol.
Trusses were originally there to stop the 4x2 rafters from warping when
green and a bit of strength,they were removed about 30 years ago,I have
put them back and bolted them in.
I will add a semiload bearing wall to the other wall(leanto wall).
The side walls are 2.7m its a rather big room.
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/1927/roomqc9.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trusworksu5.jpg
Thanks again
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