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| Sasquatch 2006-11-17, 8:25 pm |
| We have one window in the center of our second story that is different
than all the rest, and I cannot figure out how we should trim it.
(We're using vinyl siding.) Here's a link to our front elevation, but
please understand that the semi-circle window on top is a true
semi-circle, which is not accurately depicted in the drawing. Here's a
link:
http://www.mynewoldhouse.com/house/...levationLRG.gif
All of our rectangular double-hung windows will have 1x4 (1x3.5) flat
siding. It's actually a white vinyl Rollex product with a built-in J
channel. And we're using sage green "double 4" style vinyl siding.
For this arched window in the center, I know we won't be able to
exactly match the other windows, so I figure the best look will be to
set the center window off from the rest with trim that is slightly more
ornate. I assume some sort of Fypon trim pieces should be used, but
I'm not sure exactly what. A lot of that Fypon stuff looks a little
too Colonial for my tastes, and we're trying to make this look like a
farmhouse-type of style. And it's complicated by the fact that the
trim needs to have some sort of J channel since we're using vinyl
siding. Ideally the trim would have J channel built in to cover up the
edges of the vinyl siding, but I suppose we could add Rollex's white
flexible J channel around the trim.
Any ideas of where to go for some examples or how-tos? Suprisingly
Fypon's site/catalog are not that helpful due to a lack of close-up
high-res photos and limited examples in the "gallery."
If I had my way, I'd use the same Rollex 1x3.5 vinyl trim on the bottom
and sides of the square part of the window ensemble, and then do
something more ornate on the round part that is at least as thick as
the Rollex so that the Rollex can die into the top trim. (The Rollex
trim is hollow, so having the top trim hang over is probably necessary
for shedding water.) And maybe there could be some kind of end cap
between the top arch trim and the Rollex trim. But I don't know what.
I wish there was an expert on the subject who is very familiar with the
Fypon products that I could just pay to design something, but nobody
seems to have that expertise.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
John
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| RicodJour 2006-11-17, 8:25 pm |
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On Nov 17, 7:02 pm, "Sasquatch" <linux4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> We have one window in the center of our second story that is different
> than all the rest, and I cannot figure out how we should trim it.
> (We're using vinyl siding.) Here's a link to our front elevation, but
> please understand that the semi-circle window on top is a true
> semi-circle, which is not accurately depicted in the drawing. Here's a
> link:
>
> http://www.mynewoldhouse.com/house/...levationLRG.gif
>
> All of our rectangular double-hung windows will have 1x4 (1x3.5) flat
> siding. It's actually a white vinyl Rollex product with a built-in J
> channel. And we're using sage green "double 4" style vinyl siding.
>
> For this arched window in the center, I know we won't be able to
> exactly match the other windows, so I figure the best look will be to
> set the center window off from the rest with trim that is slightly more
> ornate. I assume some sort of Fypon trim pieces should be used, but
> I'm not sure exactly what. A lot of that Fypon stuff looks a little
> too Colonial for my tastes, and we're trying to make this look like a
> farmhouse-type of style. And it's complicated by the fact that the
> trim needs to have some sort of J channel since we're using vinyl
> siding. Ideally the trim would have J channel built in to cover up the
> edges of the vinyl siding, but I suppose we could add Rollex's white
> flexible J channel around the trim.
>
> Any ideas of where to go for some examples or how-tos? Suprisingly
> Fypon's site/catalog are not that helpful due to a lack of close-up
> high-res photos and limited examples in the "gallery."
>
> If I had my way, I'd use the same Rollex 1x3.5 vinyl trim on the bottom
> and sides of the square part of the window ensemble, and then do
> something more ornate on the round part that is at least as thick as
> the Rollex so that the Rollex can die into the top trim. (The Rollex
> trim is hollow, so having the top trim hang over is probably necessary
> for shedding water.) And maybe there could be some kind of end cap
> between the top arch trim and the Rollex trim. But I don't know what.
> I wish there was an expert on the subject who is very familiar with the
> Fypon products that I could just pay to design something, but nobody
> seems to have that expertise.
>
> Any suggestions?
What did your architect and builder suggest? Why is your architect
refusing to accept money to design some trimwork? It's pretty trivial
stuff. And Fypon isn't the only game in town.
R
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| "Sasquatch"> wrote
> We have one window in the center of our second story that is different
> than all the rest, and I cannot figure out how we should trim it.
Duh.
You're a spammer that is out of his element.
If you want to learn how to trim windows get your fat XXX out in the field
and learn how to do it first hand and quit making yourself look like a
pathetic, whiney loser on the internet already. sheesh.
Or go ask your purchased whore, the so called *designer* of your hideous
monstrosity.
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| "RicodJour"> wrote
> On Nov 17, 7:02 pm, "Sasquatch" <linux4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> What did your architect and builder suggest? Why is your architect
> refusing to accept money to design some trimwork? It's pretty trivial
> stuff. And Fypon isn't the only game in town.
Considering that none of us in this group know what we're talking about I'm
mildly surprised that an internet spammer keeps asking *us* for advice.
Makes you wonder about his relationship / communications with the people
that are actually involved with his abberation.
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| Sasquatch 2006-11-17, 9:25 pm |
| Wow. I never looked at your profiles before, RicodJour and Don--Over
4,000 messages and over 13,000 Usenet posts respectively, and virtually
all of them are sick, nasty, beligerant, insane babble. You both are
obviously unemployed losers with mental illnesses. Get medicated, get
rid of your computers, and get a life, losers. You are clearly not
architecture professionals, and it's painfully obviously that you are
not employed at a capacity that would allow you to afford a home like
those discussed in this group, so what business do you even have
commenting? Get lost, and get help, weirdos! What a couple of freaks.
Yikes.
Don wrote:
> "RicodJour"> wrote
>
> Considering that none of us in this group know what we're talking about I'm
> mildly surprised that an internet spammer keeps asking *us* for advice.
> Makes you wonder about his relationship / communications with the people
> that are actually involved with his abberation.
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| Translation:
If you guys don't pull yourselves away from your respective business's and
tell me what I am to cowardly to ask my designer and contractor than both of
you are nazi's.
Veith, you're a punk.
You're wife knows you're a cheap punk and she plays around on you when you
think you're paying attention.
You have the lifespan of a TV commercial and you wore out your silly welcome
around here long ago but your thick skall has denied you that logic.
We laugh at you Veith. HA HA HAAAAAA
"Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1163818344.775526.260430@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> Wow. I never looked at your profiles before, RicodJour and Don--Over
> 4,000 messages and over 13,000 Usenet posts respectively, and virtually
> all of them are sick, nasty, beligerant, insane babble. You both are
> obviously unemployed losers with mental illnesses. Get medicated, get
> rid of your computers, and get a life, losers. You are clearly not
> architecture professionals, and it's painfully obviously that you are
> not employed at a capacity that would allow you to afford a home like
> those discussed in this group, so what business do you even have
> commenting? Get lost, and get help, weirdos! What a couple of freaks.
> Yikes.
>
> Don wrote:
>
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| RicodJour 2006-11-18, 3:25 am |
| On Nov 17, 9:52 pm, "Sasquatch" <linux4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Wow. I never looked at your profiles before, RicodJour and Don--Over
> 4,000 messages and over 13,000 Usenet posts respectively, and virtually
> all of them are sick, nasty, beligerant, insane babble.
You read all of my posts? Gee, I'm flattered! Did you run across the
one where I mentioned alternatives to Fypon?
R
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-18, 3:25 am |
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Sasquatch wrote:
> Wow. I never looked at your profiles before, RicodJour and Don--Over
> 4,000 messages and over 13,000 Usenet posts respectively, and virtually
> all of them are sick, nasty, beligerant, insane babble.
I took a minute and read over the 17,000 posts,
and I think you may be mistaken, "beligerant"
is spelled *belligerent*.
Anyway, you can curve your J-channel with
a heat gun. The problem is water leaking from
the channel into the siding it's covering.
That will rot your wall and when it freezes pop
off your siding.
Those together cause your house to droop,
like a dunked donut.
What to do?, I caulk the siding before applying
J-channel, expect to use a lot of caulk.
Ornamentation can cost money, not just materials
but time, and it's not easy to do.
> You both are
> obviously unemployed losers with mental illnesses. Get medicated, get
> rid of your computers, and get a life, losers. You are clearly not
> architecture professionals, and it's painfully obviously that you are
> not employed at a capacity that would allow you to afford a home like
> those discussed in this group, so what business do you even have
> commenting?
That's a bit nasty, considering you're asking for
free advice. I asked wife if she liked your house,
she said
"yeah, but you'd have to pay me to live in it".
We downsided from 7 bedrooms+.
Ken
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| Fypon makes decorative arch moldings, check their online catalog in the window
trim section. I'm sure there are many other companies that do. I would have
expected your architect to specify a product if he designed it into the plans.
They can also custom make moldings using their stock items as a starting point.
You will need to coordinate one of their arch moldings with the window size to
use them, perhaps having the factory machine a custom inside radius to match
your window if required.
Fypon machines easily. I used their fluted pilasters alongside my front door,
and routed a 3/4" x 5/8" channel along the outside edges to accept the siding
directly without any J channel, it makes a world of difference. I route all the
door trim I install to accept the siding, I try to never use J channel, it is
ugly.
If you find one of their arch moldings to be suitable, the factory should be
able to trim the radius and route a recess around the outer edge (providing
there is enough stock at that point) if you don't want to do it on site.
--
Dennis
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|
| "DT"> wrote
> I would have expected your architect to specify a product if he designed
> it into the plans.
Therein lies Veith's dilema.
He bought a cheap *stock* plan, then he hired a coupla horz to work it
through the system and ever since he's been whining about his shortcomings.
Every few days he comes around here begging the professionals to bail him
out and when they offer sound advice he insults them.
He's a despicable person through and through.
Rico saw through his cheap fascade almost immediately, some of us took a
little longer to recognize him for what he is.
Within 6 months after the house is completed his wife is going to kick him
to the curb and make him pay for the house. LOL
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| Sasquatch 2006-11-18, 1:25 pm |
| No. Sorry. I didn't read any of the posts in depth. I just checked
your profiles and noticed the *number* of posts. Alarming. Anyway,
like I said, I didn't read them in depth, and that's because I've
learned from your past posts that you usually do not have anything
constructive to say, and the few posts that I skimmed confirmed that,
so I didn't bother reading further. That's one of the consequences of
poor character and lacking integrity. People tend to not take you
seriously in the future.
But I would be happy to hear about alternatives to Fypon. Do you have
a link?
Thanks,
John
RicodJour wrote:
> On Nov 17, 9:52 pm, "Sasquatch" <linux4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> You read all of my posts? Gee, I'm flattered! Did you run across the
> one where I mentioned alternatives to Fypon?
>
> R
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| Sasquatch 2006-11-18, 5:25 pm |
|
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
> I took a minute and read over the 17,000 posts,
> and I think you may be mistaken, "beligerant"
> is spelled *belligerent*.
I only skimmed a few, and it looked like more of the same to me.
> Anyway, you can curve your J-channel with
> a heat gun. The problem is water leaking from
> the channel into the siding it's covering.
> That will rot your wall and when it freezes pop
> off your siding.
> Those together cause your house to droop,
> like a dunked donut.
> What to do?, I caulk the siding before applying
> J-channel, expect to use a lot of caulk.
> Ornamentation can cost money, not just materials
> but time, and it's not easy to do.
I'm confident in our builder's execution, aside from a few mistakes
when ordering product, as the workmanship has been top notch. The hard
part is coming up with the ideas. I know, that's what an architect is
for, and we paid for an architect, but his is one detail that he didn't
elaborate on, and he does not have a lot of experience with this type
of trim--and that's not what I hired him for. At this point, if there
was an expert in this area, I would be happy to pay whatever he or she
charges. But I can't even find someone who is confident about choosing
the various Fypon elements and creating a trim ensemble that
compliments the rest of the house.
>
> That's a bit nasty, considering you're asking for
> free advice.
Yeah, it is a bit nasty. Sorry you had to read that. But if you'll
refer to the history of their posts you'll notice that I have been
attacked unprovoked by these losers over and over, always turning the
other cheek. At some point one loses patience and calls a spade a
spade. Someone really should tell them to get a life. Maybe that's
the problem; nobody ever told them their behavior is sociopathic. I'm
happy to do that. As for the free advice, I would never insult anyone
or be ingrateful to anyone who actually *gives* me good advice and
treats me with a reasonable, basic level of respect. I appreciate all
advice. I'm even happy to pay for it if necessary.
> I asked wife if she liked your house,
> she said
> "yeah, but you'd have to pay me to live in it".
> We downsided from 7 bedrooms+.
I don't blame you. I would be happy if the house was about 500 sq. ft.
smaller, or about $50K smaller. But we liked the design, and we need
the room while our children are growing up. When we're ready to
retire, we can downsize.
I should tell you that we've made some *very* important changes to the
first floor plan. I haven't had time to post the changes on my blog.
But the house is greatly improved. There is now a formal dining room,
and a more appropriately sized kitchen without so much wasted space.
We still have a pretty large laundry room, too. Actually, we're just
reverting back to our original plan that we changed before the
architect finished our plans because my wife wanted a *huge* laundry
room. I tried to talk her out of it, as it's a huge waste of space.
Then she finally came around on her own at the last minute. It's a big
relief. Now I think the entire floor plan(s) is very usable,
efficient, and excellent overall. I'll have to post the updated plans
for you to look at.
Now the only tricky parts to figure out the trim on the center window
and make sure the porch beam/columns/realing are executed correctly.
The rest is pretty straight forward.
Thanks!!!
- John
> Ken
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| Sasquatch 2006-11-18, 5:25 pm |
|
DT wrote:
> Fypon machines easily. I used their fluted pilasters alongside my front door,
> and routed a 3/4" x 5/8" channel along the outside edges to accept the siding
> directly without any J channel, it makes a world of difference. I route all the
> door trim I install to accept the siding, I try to never use J channel, it is
> ugly.
I agree. I hate J channel. I don't mind the stuff that matches the
color of the siding and is used along gables and soffits, but to put it
around window trim is definitely something to avoid. I think we're
definitely going to figure out a Fypon ensemble that is thick enough on
the outer edge to router away a 5/8" or 3/4" notch. Thanks for the
advice. The questions is *which* fypon pieces will look best.
Thanks,
John
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-18, 5:25 pm |
|
Sasquatch wrote:
> Ken S. Tucker wrote:
>
> I only skimmed a few, and it looked like more of the same to me.
>
>
> I'm confident in our builder's execution, aside from a few mistakes
> when ordering product, as the workmanship has been top notch. The hard
> part is coming up with the ideas. I know, that's what an architect is
> for, and we paid for an architect, but his is one detail that he didn't
> elaborate on, and he does not have a lot of experience with this type
> of trim--and that's not what I hired him for. At this point, if there
> was an expert in this area, I would be happy to pay whatever he or she
> charges. But I can't even find someone who is confident about choosing
> the various Fypon elements and creating a trim ensemble that
> compliments the rest of the house.
>
>
> Yeah, it is a bit nasty. Sorry you had to read that. But if you'll
> refer to the history of their posts you'll notice that I have been
> attacked unprovoked by these losers over and over, always turning the
> other cheek. At some point one loses patience and calls a spade a
> spade. Someone really should tell them to get a life. Maybe that's
> the problem; nobody ever told them their behavior is sociopathic. I'm
> happy to do that. As for the free advice, I would never insult anyone
> or be ingrateful to anyone who actually *gives* me good advice and
> treats me with a reasonable, basic level of respect. I appreciate all
> advice. I'm even happy to pay for it if necessary.
Here's what I understand and it bugs me...
If you have - as you do - a fair wall area above
a window that will get hit by lot's of water in a
driving rain, the water comes down the wall and
then into the channel around the window, which
now functions as mini-eave trough. In a hard rain
some of that water intersects the base of the
horizontal vinyl and is directed behind and into
said vinyl.
Creating drainage holes in the vinyl base will plug
up with mud, pollen and crap so it's a no-go.
I may have a similiar problem on my little house,
again, and the only solution I have is liberal
amounts of caulking, again, so I'm listening for
a better way too.
>
> I don't blame you. I would be happy if the house was about 500 sq. ft.
> smaller, or about $50K smaller. But we liked the design, and we need
> the room while our children are growing up. When we're ready to
> retire, we can downsize.
Yeah, that's us, empty nesters, but yeah may as
well give the kids a fair abode to grow up in.
> I should tell you that we've made some *very* important changes to the
> first floor plan. I haven't had time to post the changes on my blog.
> But the house is greatly improved. There is now a formal dining room,
> and a more appropriately sized kitchen without so much wasted space.
> We still have a pretty large laundry room, too. Actually, we're just
> reverting back to our original plan that we changed before the
> architect finished our plans because my wife wanted a *huge* laundry
> room. I tried to talk her out of it, as it's a huge waste of space.
> Then she finally came around on her own at the last minute. It's a big
> relief. Now I think the entire floor plan(s) is very usable,
> efficient, and excellent overall. I'll have to post the updated plans
> for you to look at.
Great, lookin' forward to seeing the revisions.
> Now the only tricky parts to figure out the trim on the center window
> and make sure the porch beam/columns/realing are executed correctly.
> The rest is pretty straight forward.
>
> Thanks!!!
Your welcome John, when you solve that
"center window trim" problem hope you post
it, I'll be looking out for it ;-).
Ken
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"Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> DT wrote:
>
> I agree. I hate J channel. I don't mind the stuff that matches the
> color of the siding and is used along gables and soffits, but to put it
> around window trim is definitely something to avoid. I think we're
> definitely going to figure out a Fypon ensemble that is thick enough on
> the outer edge to router away a 5/8" or 3/4" notch. Thanks for the
> advice. The questions is *which* fypon pieces will look best.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
Figure it out yourself. Your 'architect' should be doing this, unless you
pissed him off. I've had clients like that, especially ones that show up
with a stock plan to be modified. "Look, most of the work has already been
done". Reworking a stock plan usually takes longer than starting from
scratch, and is a lot less fun.
EDS
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|
| This reply should have been to Don as it addresses all of the things I
posted about, but the punk is too cowardly to deal with it directly.
Once again, the pathetic loser is begging someone, anyone, to bail him out.
Now I ask you, what kind of design professional *does not have alot of
experience* with Fypon and at least 1/2 a dozen other manuf. of the same
sort of stuff.
Veith is tripping all over his own lies.
His wife is getting tired of his shit. LOL
"Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1163879270.788993.113790@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Ken S. Tucker wrote:
>
> I only skimmed a few, and it looked like more of the same to me.
>
>
> I'm confident in our builder's execution, aside from a few mistakes
> when ordering product, as the workmanship has been top notch. The hard
> part is coming up with the ideas. I know, that's what an architect is
> for, and we paid for an architect, but his is one detail that he didn't
> elaborate on, and he does not have a lot of experience with this type
> of trim--and that's not what I hired him for. At this point, if there
> was an expert in this area, I would be happy to pay whatever he or she
> charges. But I can't even find someone who is confident about choosing
> the various Fypon elements and creating a trim ensemble that
> compliments the rest of the house.
>
>
> Yeah, it is a bit nasty. Sorry you had to read that. But if you'll
> refer to the history of their posts you'll notice that I have been
> attacked unprovoked by these losers over and over, always turning the
> other cheek. At some point one loses patience and calls a spade a
> spade. Someone really should tell them to get a life. Maybe that's
> the problem; nobody ever told them their behavior is sociopathic. I'm
> happy to do that. As for the free advice, I would never insult anyone
> or be ingrateful to anyone who actually *gives* me good advice and
> treats me with a reasonable, basic level of respect. I appreciate all
> advice. I'm even happy to pay for it if necessary.
>
>
> I don't blame you. I would be happy if the house was about 500 sq. ft.
> smaller, or about $50K smaller. But we liked the design, and we need
> the room while our children are growing up. When we're ready to
> retire, we can downsize.
>
> I should tell you that we've made some *very* important changes to the
> first floor plan. I haven't had time to post the changes on my blog.
> But the house is greatly improved. There is now a formal dining room,
> and a more appropriately sized kitchen without so much wasted space.
> We still have a pretty large laundry room, too. Actually, we're just
> reverting back to our original plan that we changed before the
> architect finished our plans because my wife wanted a *huge* laundry
> room. I tried to talk her out of it, as it's a huge waste of space.
> Then she finally came around on her own at the last minute. It's a big
> relief. Now I think the entire floor plan(s) is very usable,
> efficient, and excellent overall. I'll have to post the updated plans
> for you to look at.
>
> Now the only tricky parts to figure out the trim on the center window
> and make sure the porch beam/columns/realing are executed correctly.
> The rest is pretty straight forward.
>
> Thanks!!!
>
> - John
>
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|
| "eds"> wrote
> Figure it out yourself. Your 'architect' should be doing this, unless you
> pissed him off. I've had clients like that, especially ones that show up
> with a stock plan to be modified. "Look, most of the work has already been
> done". Reworking a stock plan usually takes longer than starting from
> scratch, and is a lot less fun.
Correct.
But the cheapskates don't realize this until after the things done.
They underestimate the effort required to assemble a quality set of drawings
and believe a $600 set of stockplans will be their stairway to heaven.
In the end they have spent several times as much trying to get everything to
come out alright and the net result is a botched building that looks like an
aborted zygote.
The Pella windows I installed in my office/workshop yesterday already had
the siding channels built in to them, cause I ordered them that way.
But then again, I'm one of those worthless, expensive design professionals
that doesn't know what I'm talking about cause I've made 4000 usenet posts
since 1994. I bet I've made a fair amount of spelling errors and no doubt
I've been called Hitler a time or two too. LOL
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| Michael Bulatovich 2006-11-18, 5:25 pm |
|
"Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>The questions is *which* fypon pieces will look best.
That is a question for whoever is responsible for the design.
--
MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca
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| RicodJour 2006-11-18, 5:25 pm |
| Don wrote:
> ... cause I've made 4000 usenet posts since 1994.
You were the 13,000 one in that post, and actually you have a fair bit
more than that. :O
R
| |
| RicodJour 2006-11-18, 5:25 pm |
| Michael Bulatovich wrote:
> "Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>
> That is a question for whoever is responsible for the design.
Do you mean the person who is responsible for actually designing it, or
the person who is responsible for approving the design?
You know how it goes - if it comes out well, everyone wants credit. If
it doesn't work, everyone wants to distance themselves from the
responsibility.
R
| |
|
| "RicodJour"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> You were the 13,000 one in that post, and actually you have a fair bit
> more than that. :O
Whatever.
The people that interest themselves in that sort of thing also pry into the
personal lives of their neighbors and in general just try to mind other
peoples business.
I have little use for such animals.
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| Warm Worm 2006-11-18, 9:25 pm |
| Sasquatch wrote:
> Wow. I never looked at your profiles before, RicodJour and Don--Over
> 4,000 messages and over 13,000 Usenet posts respectively, and virtually
> all of them are sick, nasty, beligerant, insane babble. You both are
> obviously unemployed losers with mental illnesses. Get medicated, get
> rid of your computers, and get a life, losers. You are clearly not
> architecture professionals, and it's painfully obviously that you are
> not employed at a capacity that would allow you to afford a home like
> those discussed in this group, so what business do you even have
> commenting? Get lost, and get help, weirdos! What a couple of freaks.
> Yikes.
We all find different ways to occupy our time.
Just because yours might be different (which includes barking orders
and insults here) or less obvious than Rico's or Don's doesn't
necessarily make it any better...
If you could turn people's "daily obsessions" (ie. sports-training,
stamp-collecting, playing music, watching porn/tv, etc....) into
newsgroup posts, I imagine that most anyone could match Don's or
Rico's.
I'd also be cautious about using said postings-stats against someone,
too, since, for one, I've seen oddly-mangled newsgroup data before and
for another, electronic information, as sketchy as its nature can seem,
goes through many hands, too, and Google is a private corporation (that
acquired Deja News)...
"There are no Usenet 'administrators' per se; each server administrator
is free to do whatever pleases him or her as long as the users and
peers tolerate and accept it..."
....
"...the vociferousness of the objections led an unknown technically
adept person to erase all trace of the posting from Usenet."
-- Wikipedia
> You both are obviously unemployed...
Bah... You don't have to be paid to be employed, and then there's
leisure.
| |
| Sasquatch 2006-11-19, 3:25 am |
| Yeah, I could have ordered my Weathershield Visions 2000 windows with
built-in "brick moulding" and J channel, but the moulding is only 2
inches wide, not 3.5 inches like the rest of the windows, and it looks
like XXX. Whoever uses that crap has terrible taste.
- John
Don wrote:
> The Pella windows I installed in my office/workshop yesterday already had
> the siding channels built in to them, cause I ordered them that way.
> But then again, I'm one of those worthless, expensive design professionals
> that doesn't know what I'm talking about cause I've made 4000 usenet posts
> since 1994. I bet I've made a fair amount of spelling errors and no doubt
> I've been called Hitler a time or two too. LOL
| |
| Sasquatch 2006-11-19, 3:25 am |
| "Whoever is responsible for the design" would be me, since it's my
house. I've hired people to assist with various parts of the design
process, but ultimately I'm responsible for it, and I'm the one that
makes the decisions. Likewise, for this trim decision, I will seek
advice from experts, including paid advice, but it will be my decision.
- John
Michael Bulatovich wrote:
> "Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1163880536.612102.132340@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> That is a question for whoever is responsible for the design.
> --
>
>
> MichaelB
> www.michaelbulatovich.ca
| |
| Sasquatch 2006-11-19, 3:25 am |
| What are you talking about, you hypocrite?!? You psychos are the ones
who review *my* history of posts and follow my posting activity,
harrassing me along the way, like some sort of stalkers. Sounds like
you're trying to deflect or transfer your own behavior onto others,
which is common for people who are ashamed of their behavior. And you
should be. Sickos. Pathetic.
- John
Don wrote:
> "RicodJour"> wrote
>
> Whatever.
> The people that interest themselves in that sort of thing also pry into the
> personal lives of their neighbors and in general just try to mind other
> peoples business.
> I have little use for such animals.
| |
|
| They ya go again, acting like a ladyboy thats soiled himself.
Go change your diaper and clean yourself up, loser. LOL
"Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1163927499.936730.64090@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> What are you talking about, you hypocrite?!? You psychos are the ones
> who review *my* history of posts and follow my posting activity,
> harrassing me along the way, like some sort of stalkers. Sounds like
> you're trying to deflect or transfer your own behavior onto others,
> which is common for people who are ashamed of their behavior. And you
> should be. Sickos. Pathetic.
>
> - John
>
> Don wrote:
>
| |
|
| Veith is talking about *terrible taste*.
Thats rich.
Go clean yourself up ladyboy. LOL
"Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1163926962.576367.18480@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Yeah, I could have ordered my Weathershield Visions 2000 windows with
> built-in "brick moulding" and J channel, but the moulding is only 2
> inches wide, not 3.5 inches like the rest of the windows, and it looks
> like XXX. Whoever uses that crap has terrible taste.
>
> - John
>
> Don wrote:
>
| |
| Michael Bulatovich 2006-11-19, 1:25 pm |
| I meant whoever designed it, not the person who hired him/her, or the one
who approves their work. I don't know what it is about architecture that
makes some people think that because they buy the design, that they are
somehow responsible for it. In other markets the line between consumer and
designer is still pretty distinct. If I buy an Aston Martin, it doesn't mean
that I am responsible for it's design, unless I get into some heavy
customization. (God forbid!) In such a case the final product is clearly a
hybrid of sorts, and the responsibility for it is muddied. It's also likely
to be a monstrosity, IMHO.
Specifying materials and their assembly is a big part of design. If you are
the designer, then the specification of this and other details would be your
job (responsibility). I understand being somewhat unsure about using one
thing or approach versus another, and wanting to ask for a second opinion.
That happens to me often, and that give and take is the basis of a working
design studio. It's the thing I miss most about working solo. I still bounce
stuff off my wife and my buddies, in these cases.
If you are the designer, asking strangers to pick a specific product from a
vast catalogue, or from several catalogues, for an application is a bit
different though. Isn't it? The starting point is too far back in the
process.
IMHO the process you've sketched out cannot lead to a good design. It's too
"Mr.-Potato-Head-by-committee", and will yield results in the usual
contemporary vernacular range. If you want something special, someone who
knows how to trim a circlehead window at least a couple of different ways
should be responsible for the design from beginning to end. You can tell
this sort of person from the pretenders by the quality of their drawings,
and by their ability to draw in a number of different ways (Plan, section,
elevation, perspective/volumetric). The pretenders will point, or wave their
hands, but mostly talk. Their drawings are terrible, if they ever pick up a
pen other than to sign checks.
--
MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca
"Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1163927205.925904.218120@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> "Whoever is responsible for the design" would be me, since it's my
> house. I've hired people to assist with various parts of the design
> process, but ultimately I'm responsible for it, and I'm the one that
> makes the decisions. Likewise, for this trim decision, I will seek
> advice from experts, including paid advice, but it will be my decision.
>
> - John
>
> Michael Bulatovich wrote:
>
| |
|
| Uh-oh, now you did it.
Veith is googlin your XXX right now to see what kind of dirt he can dig up
on you. LOL
"Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message
news:ejq0ei01f2j@news3.newsguy.com...
>I meant whoever designed it, not the person who hired him/her, or the one
>who approves their work. I don't know what it is about architecture that
>makes some people think that because they buy the design, that they are
>somehow responsible for it. In other markets the line between consumer and
>designer is still pretty distinct. If I buy an Aston Martin, it doesn't
>mean that I am responsible for it's design, unless I get into some heavy
>customization. (God forbid!) In such a case the final product is clearly a
>hybrid of sorts, and the responsibility for it is muddied. It's also likely
>to be a monstrosity, IMHO.
>
> Specifying materials and their assembly is a big part of design. If you
> are the designer, then the specification of this and other details would
> be your job (responsibility). I understand being somewhat unsure about
> using one thing or approach versus another, and wanting to ask for a
> second opinion. That happens to me often, and that give and take is the
> basis of a working design studio. It's the thing I miss most about working
> solo. I still bounce stuff off my wife and my buddies, in these cases.
>
> If you are the designer, asking strangers to pick a specific product from
> a vast catalogue, or from several catalogues, for an application is a bit
> different though. Isn't it? The starting point is too far back in the
> process.
>
> IMHO the process you've sketched out cannot lead to a good design. It's
> too "Mr.-Potato-Head-by-committee", and will yield results in the usual
> contemporary vernacular range. If you want something special, someone who
> knows how to trim a circlehead window at least a couple of different ways
> should be responsible for the design from beginning to end. You can tell
> this sort of person from the pretenders by the quality of their drawings,
> and by their ability to draw in a number of different ways (Plan, section,
> elevation, perspective/volumetric). The pretenders will point, or wave
> their hands, but mostly talk. Their drawings are terrible, if they ever
> pick up a pen other than to sign checks.
> --
>
>
> MichaelB
> www.michaelbulatovich.ca
>
>
>
> "Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1163927205.925904.218120@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
| |
| Sasquatch 2006-11-19, 1:25 pm |
| Thanks for your comments, Michael.
I think I'm going to go back to our original architect and ask him to
take a stab at it. I'm also going to go to a premium millwork company
in Madison that has a design shop. They sell Fypon products, and
they've been very helpful with the design of our interior window/door
trim. (1x4 with backband, traditional stool on the windows, and 5+ x
1/2 inch flat baseboard, all painted white)
I hope you would agree that this design is so traditional that there is
not need for a lot of expensive design, especially since we're starting
with a "plan book" plan, which we love. I doubt the people who built
the original farmhouses in our area in the 1800s spent *any* money on
design. It would be foolish in our case. That would be like buying a
garage kit at Menards and then paying an architect $5,000 to come up
with a trim and paint package. The project just doesn't call for it.
Don't get me wrong, it's not a cheap project, but it's not a high-end
sophisticated project either. Being a professional, I doubt you would
recommend to your sister/brother/parents/friends to spend a lot of
design money on a project like this, unless you were desperate for
jobs, and that doesn't sound like the case.
I read an interesting article in New Old House magazine recently. The
article was about the "plan book" architects of the late 1800s and the
early 1900s who were responsible for developing/promoting the American
Craftsman genre, and to some degree creating the genre itself. These
guys are regarded as some of the finest residential architects of their
day. So when I hear people rip on "plan book" designs, I'm skeptical
about their objectivity. If I was a professional architect, I would
caution people about plan book designs, telling them that often certain
features will not adhere to their local codes or covenants, and to have
a reputable builder look at the plans for potential gotchyas. But
otherwise, if they like the design, and it's from a well regarded
architect and plan book publisher, what could possibly be wrong with a
plan book design? Certainly some neighborhoods call for something more
unique and sophisticated, but not *our* neighborhood. This is a middle
class neighborhood in a rural community. It's good to keep things in
perspective.
Another thing I would like to clarify about the
Mr.-Potato-Head-by-committee process you warned about... There is a
misconception that I ask for advice with the intent of arbitrarily
picking the advice that I trust and going with it. But rather, when I
ask for advice, it is to generate ideas that point me in various
directions where I do more research. I would never take a stranger's
advice and drink their kool-aid. It's just a way to think outside the
box. A lot of people are not open-minded enough to do that. I, on the
other hand, find that some of the best ideas come from casual
discussions with people that would ordinarily not be heard. It's a
great way to brainstorm.
Finally, I would just like to share what I've found with Fypon's
ballustrade systems. It's the first railing system I've found that is
both (1) weather-proof, (2) ideal for painting, and (3) has a great
traditional design. I'm pretty sure we're going to use it for our
front porch. We already have to paint the columns and beam, which will
be clad in AZEK's PVC trim boards, or we might also use HB&G PermaCast
columns, but either way, it now will all be painted a nice consistent
white that will match our fascia, soffit, and window trim. At first,
though, we're going to do the columns by themselves and make sure we
even want a railing system. (Our porch floor is only about 18" above
grade.)
- John
Michael Bulatovich wrote:[color=darkred]
> I meant whoever designed it, not the person who hired him/her, or the one
> who approves their work. I don't know what it is about architecture that
> makes some people think that because they buy the design, that they are
> somehow responsible for it. In other markets the line between consumer and
> designer is still pretty distinct. If I buy an Aston Martin, it doesn't mean
> that I am responsible for it's design, unless I get into some heavy
> customization. (God forbid!) In such a case the final product is clearly a
> hybrid of sorts, and the responsibility for it is muddied. It's also likely
> to be a monstrosity, IMHO.
>
> Specifying materials and their assembly is a big part of design. If you are
> the designer, then the specification of this and other details would be your
> job (responsibility). I understand being somewhat unsure about using one
> thing or approach versus another, and wanting to ask for a second opinion.
> That happens to me often, and that give and take is the basis of a working
> design studio. It's the thing I miss most about working solo. I still bounce
> stuff off my wife and my buddies, in these cases.
>
> If you are the designer, asking strangers to pick a specific product from a
> vast catalogue, or from several catalogues, for an application is a bit
> different though. Isn't it? The starting point is too far back in the
> process.
>
> IMHO the process you've sketched out cannot lead to a good design. It's too
> "Mr.-Potato-Head-by-committee", and will yield results in the usual
> contemporary vernacular range. If you want something special, someone who
> knows how to trim a circlehead window at least a couple of different ways
> should be responsible for the design from beginning to end. You can tell
> this sort of person from the pretenders by the quality of their drawings,
> and by their ability to draw in a number of different ways (Plan, section,
> elevation, perspective/volumetric). The pretenders will point, or wave their
> hands, but mostly talk. Their drawings are terrible, if they ever pick up a
> pen other than to sign checks.
> --
>
>
> MichaelB
> www.michaelbulatovich.ca
>
>
>
> "Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1163927205.925904.218120@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| |
| Sasquatch 2006-11-19, 1:25 pm |
| I think you're confusing me with you, Don. And let's remember that all
I did was click on your profile within this very Google Groups
interface, check your number of posts, and skim a few to confirm that
you're disruptive and anti-social as a rule. That's why Google Groups
has a "profile" feature. You guys, on the other hand, read *all* of my
past posts, follow me from group to group even when it is not relevant
to you, and harrass me. So let's not transfer your anti-social
behavior onto others, Don. You'll never get better that way. And try
not to obsess over me like you do. I realize that I'm a fascinating
individual, but it's not healthy. Get yourself a girlfriend. Or
boyfriend, probably.
- John
Don wrote:[color=darkred]
> Uh-oh, now you did it.
> Veith is googlin your XXX right now to see what kind of dirt he can dig up
> on you. LOL
>
> "Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message
> news:ejq0ei01f2j@news3.newsguy.com...
| |
| Michael Bulatovich 2006-11-19, 5:25 pm |
|
"Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1163958794.084825.245430@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> Thanks for your comments, Michael.
>
> I think I'm going to go back to our original architect and ask him to
> take a stab at it.
Good idea. Anyone who draws a circlehead should be able to trim it out.
> I hope you would agree that this design is so traditional that there is
> not need for a lot of expensive design, especially since we're starting
> with a "plan book" plan, which we love. I doubt the people who built
> the original farmhouses in our area in the 1800s spent *any* money on
> design.
Traditionals detailing has a vocabulary and a syntax that we in the
modern-postmodern era have to study. Earlier generations of craftsmen knew
this language better than today's, so it's not quite correct to say that
people didn't spend money on design in those days. It's just that different
people did it than today.
For example, when it comes to the porch, the first decision would be what
kind of columns are we doing. That decision then steers the decision-making
for the smaller elements. A full blown order with entablature deserves
classical balusters, a simply-trimmed post does not. A quirky naive order
would indicate a similar treatment for the smaller elements, while a
rigorous classicism would prejudice the trim set differently. It's "all
about context".
> I read an interesting article in New Old House magazine recently. The
> article was about the "plan book" architects of the late 1800s and the
> early 1900s who were responsible for developing/promoting the American
> Craftsman genre, and to some degree creating the genre itself. These
> guys are regarded as some of the finest residential architects of their
> day. So when I hear people rip on "plan book" designs, I'm skeptical
> about their objectivity. If I was a professional architect, I would
> caution people about plan book designs, telling them that often certain
> features will not adhere to their local codes or covenants, and to have
> a reputable builder look at the plans for potential gotchyas. But
> otherwise, if they like the design, and it's from a well regarded
> architect and plan book publisher, what could possibly be wrong with a
> plan book design? Certainly some neighborhoods call for something more
> unique and sophisticated, but not *our* neighborhood. This is a middle
> class neighborhood in a rural community. It's good to keep things in
> perspective.
True enough. IMHO, the primary pitfall of pattern book solutions is that
they can not respond to the particulars of a site or of a user. If every
site and family was the same, one house design would be all we ever needed.
>
> Another thing I would like to clarify about the
> Mr.-Potato-Head-by-committee process you warned about... There is a
> misconception that I ask for advice with the intent of arbitrarily
> picking the advice that I trust and going with it. But rather, when I
> ask for advice, it is to generate ideas that point me in various
> directions
I look at the successes of other for that.
> Finally, I would just like to share what I've found with Fypon's
> ballustrade systems. It's the first railing system I've found that is
> both (1) weather-proof, (2) ideal for painting, and (3) has a great
> traditional design. I'm pretty sure we're going to use it for our
> front porch. We already have to paint the columns and beam, which will
> be clad in AZEK's PVC trim boards, or we might also use HB&G PermaCast
> columns, but either way, it now will all be painted a nice consistent
> white that will match our fascia, soffit, and window trim. At first,
> though, we're going to do the columns by themselves and make sure we
> even want a railing system. (Our porch floor is only about 18" above
> grade.)
I know Fypon's stuff. In my jurisdiction, you would not require a guard for
your porch by code. Given the fairly rustic look of the house, and only if
the local codes and you family circumstance permit, I would forgo the guard,
or go for a very low one (especially if the porch is deep enough to
encourage furniture placement and socializing). I would definitely stay away
from any Greco-roman balusters or profiles. I'd use humble pickets that
don't 'out-do' the rest if the house.
--
MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca
| |
| Sasquatch 2006-11-19, 8:25 pm |
|
Michael Bulatovich wrote:
> I know Fypon's stuff. In my jurisdiction, you would not require a guard for
> your porch by code. Given the fairly rustic look of the house, and only if
> the local codes and you family circumstance permit, I would forgo the guard,
> or go for a very low one (especially if the porch is deep enough to
> encourage furniture placement and socializing). I would definitely stay away
> from any Greco-roman balusters or profiles. I'd use humble pickets that
> don't 'out-do' the rest if the house.
I was thinking short square ballusters from Fypon so that the total
height is 26" or 28". That matches some old farmhouses I've found in
the area. The ballusters are pretty close together, too--closer than
required by code. Is that what you had in mind when you said "a very
low one?" Again, we might choose to leave the railing system off
altogether, which would be my preference--on less thing to screw up.
If we do add railing, it will be the last thing we do on the house at
the very end.
I know what you mean by Greco-Roman balusters. For our 8" square HB&G
PermaCast columns, our builder pointed at the "Tuscan" cap and base in
the catalog. I knew it didn't look right. To me, it looked too
"colonial" I said, but in hindsight I think it was what you meant by
"Greco-Roman." It just doesn't fit. The old farmhouses I've found
that have large square columns have a simple moulding at the top, kind
of like a crown moulding, with just a flat cap and a cove moulding
underneath. Then the base is just 1x6 clad around the bottom.
- John
| |
|
|
"Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote
You guys, on the other hand, read *all* of my
> past posts, follow me from group to group even when it is not relevant
> to you, and harrass me.
Psychotic idiot.
The whole wide world is against veith. waaaaaaaa
Go change your soiled diaper.
| |
| Michael Bulatovich 2006-11-19, 8:25 pm |
|
"Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1163979852.081004.288300@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> I was thinking short square ballusters from Fypon so that the total
> height is 26" or 28". That matches some old farmhouses I've found in
> the area. The ballusters are pretty close together, too--closer than
> required by code. Is that what you had in mind when you said "a very
> low one?"
Yes, though I'd leave it off if permissible.
--
MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca
| |
| RicodJour 2006-11-19, 8:25 pm |
| Michael Bulatovich wrote:
> "Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>
> Good idea. Anyone who draws a circlehead should be able to trim it out.
>
>
> Traditionals detailing has a vocabulary and a syntax that we in the
> modern-postmodern era have to study. Earlier generations of craftsmen knew
> this language better than today's, so it's not quite correct to say that
> people didn't spend money on design in those days. It's just that different
> people did it than today.
>
> For example, when it comes to the porch, the first decision would be what
> kind of columns are we doing. That decision then steers the decision-making
> for the smaller elements. A full blown order with entablature deserves
> classical balusters, a simply-trimmed post does not. A quirky naive order
> would indicate a similar treatment for the smaller elements, while a
> rigorous classicism would prejudice the trim set differently. It's "all
> about context".
>
>
> True enough. IMHO, the primary pitfall of pattern book solutions is that
> they can not respond to the particulars of a site or of a user. If every
> site and family was the same, one house design would be all we ever needed.
>
>
> I look at the successes of other for that.
>
>
>
> I know Fypon's stuff. In my jurisdiction, you would not require a guard for
> your porch by code. Given the fairly rustic look of the house, and only if
> the local codes and you family circumstance permit, I would forgo the guard,
> or go for a very low one (especially if the porch is deep enough to
> encourage furniture placement and socializing). I would definitely stay away
> from any Greco-roman balusters or profiles. I'd use humble pickets that
> don't 'out-do' the rest if the house.
Hey Michael. Would it be alright if Squatch emailed you directly for
the free design work? That way you could attach sketches and
renderings so he'd know what to give to his builder and architect. He
already said he was willing to pay. Maybe he could send you the money
though PayPal. Thanks.
R
| |
| Sasquatch 2006-11-19, 9:25 pm |
|
Don wrote:
> The whole wide world is against veith. waaaaaaaa
> Go change your soiled diaper.
No, not the whole world. Just a couple of freaks with too much time on
your hands. But I'm probably not the only target of your psychosis.
I'm not *that* conceited. I'm sure you're generous and spread your
madness around, harrassing multiple people in discussion groups, not
just me.
- John
| |
| Sasquatch 2006-11-19, 9:25 pm |
| A true professional with a viable business doesn't need to worry about
sharing a little advice. I'm sure he has plenty of *real* work. You
can always spot a real pro/expert that way. They never gouge you and
bill you for advice or a favor that is virtually free for them. It's
kind of like taking a car in for a repair, expecting to pay hundreds,
only to have the service manager say, "It's on the house today! It was
only a fuse." That's a pro. A loser would lie and say the problem was
more serious and still charge a few hundred dollars. ...or whine about
another *real* professional sharing some wisdom, which drives you crazy
because you're so desparate for work, but there is none, because you're
a loser. You're probably one of those
gotta-be-my-own-boss-because-no-boss-will-tolerate-me-but-I-can't-make-a-living-self-employed-either
types. Lucky guess?
- John
RicodJour wrote:
> Michael Bulatovich wrote:
>
> Hey Michael. Would it be alright if Squatch emailed you directly for
> the free design work? That way you could attach sketches and
> renderings so he'd know what to give to his builder and architect. He
> already said he was willing to pay. Maybe he could send you the money
> though PayPal. Thanks.
>
> R
| |
|
|
"Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1163992130.277588.81030@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Don wrote:
>
> No, not the whole world.
<yawn>
You admitted to being a rampant spammer.
You crosspost your whines to multiple groups.
You post under multiple identities.
You seem to be unaware of the world around you.
Regular posters have flamed you and now shun you.
No wonder you have no real friends and seek abuse in usenet, its all thats
left for you.
Pathetic.
And hilarious. LOL
| |
| Michael Bulatovich 2006-11-20, 3:25 am |
|
"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
news:1163987105.351932.153070@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Hey Michael. Would it be alright if Squatch emailed you directly for
> the free design work? That way you could attach sketches and
> renderings so he'd know what to give to his builder and architect. He
> already said he was willing to pay. Maybe he could send you the money
> though PayPal. Thanks.
I'm not drawing anything, though if he/she wants to send me something, there
is this new hockey stick I've been thinking about for my daughter....
--
MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca
| |
| Michael Bulatovich 2006-11-20, 3:25 am |
|
"Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1163992724.765026.207420@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>A true professional with a viable business doesn't need to worry about
> sharing a little advice. I'm sure he has plenty of *real* work. You
> can always spot a real pro/expert that way. They never gouge you and
> bill you for advice or a favor that is virtually free for them. It's
> kind of like taking a car in for a repair, expecting to pay hundreds,
> only to have the service manager say, "It's on the house today! It was
> only a fuse." That's a pro.
I didn't even do that, just offered a general opinion on a newsgroup.
--
MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca
| |
| RicodJour 2006-11-20, 3:25 am |
| Michael Bulatovich wrote:
> "RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
>
>
> I'm not drawing anything, though if he/she wants to send me something, there
> is this new hockey stick I've been thinking about for my daughter....
Not setting your sights too high on that one. ;) How old's your
daughter?
R
| |
|
|
"Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1163992724.765026.207420@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>A true professional with a viable business doesn't need to worry about
> sharing a little advice.
You mean like SPAMMING? LOL
Come on Veith, *share* your techniques with us. LOL
| |
| Michael Bulatovich 2006-11-20, 9:25 am |
|
"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
news:1164000117.413350.313710@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Michael Bulatovich wrote:
>
> Not setting your sights too high on that one. ;) How old's your
> daughter?
14
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| RicodJour 2006-11-20, 9:25 am |
|
Michael Bulatovich wrote:
> "RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
> news:1164000117.413350.313710@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> 14
Since you're in Canada, is it safe to assume we're talking ice hockey?
Girl's leagues around here are not very common, and the girls that are
at that age are more interested in the mall than the rink.
R
| |
|
| Why do you guys keep answering this guy?
I have erased dozens of answers to his silly questions and you
keep encouraging him.
"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
news:ejr7f901vna@news1.newsguy.com...
>
> "Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1163992130.277588.81030@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> <yawn>
>
> You admitted to being a rampant spammer.
> You crosspost your whines to multiple groups.
> You post under multiple identities.
> You seem to be unaware of the world around you.
> Regular posters have flamed you and now shun you.
>
> No wonder you have no real friends and seek abuse in usenet, its
> all thats left for you.
> Pathetic.
> And hilarious. LOL
>
>
>
| |
| Michael Bulatovich 2006-11-20, 1:25 pm |
|
"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message news:1164034801.257760.92780@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Michael Bulatovich wrote:
>
> Since you're in Canada, is it safe to assume we're talking ice hockey?
> Girl's leagues around here are not very common, and the girls that are
> at that age are more interested in the mall than the rink.
Other than the fact that it's fun, and the backdrop of childhood obesity in North America, one of the big attractions for the girls' parents is exactly that:
They're not hanging out in a mall. The girls you meet in sports are not the same girls you saw 30 years ago. Take a look at the roster of our junior team:
http://www.etobicokedolphins.ca/Juniors/#roster.xsl and click on a player. Most of them are quite accomplished.
The NMGHL ( http://www.nmghl.org/ ) is probably the most competitive girls hockey league in the world, and we happen to live dead-center in it. The participation rate for girls is exploding but has been limited by the availability of ice time, as boys' clubs have their ice contracts grandfathered since the dawn of time. Girls have to wait for new ice to be built, which is not too much longer for my daughter's club:
http://www.insidetoronto.com/to/eto...l?loc=etobicoke
(PS No hitting in girls' hockey..."incidental contact" only...hehe...)
(PPS Did you catch the recent Four Nations Cup? http://www.usolympicteam.com/11520_49929.htm )
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| Matt Barrow 2006-11-20, 1:25 pm |
|
"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
news:1164034801.257760.92780@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Since you're in Canada, is it safe to assume we're talking ice hockey?
> Girl's leagues around here are not very common, and the girls that are
> at that age are more interested in the mall than the rink.
>
Like older guys who play golf, but are more interested in the gal in short
shorts who drives the refreshment cart.
| |
| Sasquatch 2006-11-20, 1:25 pm |
|
RicodJour wrote:
> Not setting your sights too high on that one. ;) How old's your
> daughter?
Don't answer that unless you want RicodJour and Don stalking your
daughter. Serious. They glean a few facts from your posts, and the
next thing you know they're making comments about your personal life,
which are comical, because they're clearly based on the few facts
they've been able to glean, and not consistant with reality at all, but
still disturbing. These guys are stalkers. Real sickos. I've been
e-mailed directly at my home address, followed to unrelated newsgroups
and harrassed, received thinly veiled death threats... Trust me. It's
not worth it. Ignore them. I'm already doing a little precautionary
investigating and taking certain safeguards to protect myself from
these psychopaths. Don't make the mistakes I did. Ignore them.
- John
| |
| Sasquatch 2006-11-20, 1:25 pm |
|
>
> RicodJour wrote:
> Since you're in Canada, is it safe to assume we're talking ice hockey?
> Girl's leagues around here are not very common, and the girls that are
> at that age are more interested in the mall than the rink.
>
> R
Are you serious?!? Come on! This guy is a stalker! First he wants to
know your daughter's age. Then he wants to know where in Canada you
live and the exact sport she's participating in! DO NOT ANSWER THIS
GUY'S QUESTIONS! LOOK UP HIS PREVIOUS POSTS! He is a stalker. I'm
reporting this, and I'm serious.
- John
| |
| Sasquatch 2006-11-20, 1:25 pm |
| Oh, boy. Now you're sharing your daughter's team's roster. You're in
for it. These guys are going to use your personal info against you.
Don't say I didn't warn you.
- John
Michael Bulatovich wrote:
> "RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message news:1164034801.257760.92780@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Other than the fact that it's fun, and the backdrop of childhood obesity in North America, one of the big attractions for the girls' parents is exactly that:
>
> They're not hanging out in a mall. The girls you meet in sports are not the same girls you saw 30 years ago. Take a look at the roster of our junior team:
>
> http://www.etobicokedolphins.ca/Juniors/#roster.xsl and click on a player. Most of them are quite accomplished.
>
> The NMGHL ( http://www.nmghl.org/ ) is probably the most competitive girls hockey league in the world, and we happen to live dead-center in it. The participation rate for girls is exploding but has been limited by the availability of ice time, as boys'
clubs have their ice contracts grandfathered since the dawn of time. Girls have to wait for new ice to be built, which is not too much longer for my daughter's club:
>
> http://www.insidetoronto.com/to/eto...l?loc=etobicoke
>
> (PS No hitting in girls' hockey..."incidental contact" only...hehe...)
> (PPS Did you catch the recent Four Nations Cup? http://www.usolympicteam.com/11520_49929.htm )
>
>
>
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> it be alright if Squatch emailed you directly for<BR>>> >> > the
> free design work? That way you could attach sketches and<BR>>>
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> architect. He<BR>>> >> > already said he was willing to
> pay. Maybe he could send you the money<BR>>> >> > though
> PayPal. Thanks.<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> I'm not drawing
> anything, though if he/she wants to send me something,<BR>>> >>
> there<BR>>> >> is this new hockey stick I've been thinking about for
> my daughter....<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Not setting your sights too
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> most competitive girls hockey league in the world, and we happen to live
> dead-center in it. The participation rate for girls is exploding but has been
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-20, 1:25 pm |
|
Michael Bulatovich wrote:
> "RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message news:1164034801.257760.92780@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Other than the fact that it's fun, and the backdrop of childhood obesity in North America, one of the big attractions for the girls' parents is exactly that:
>
> They're not hanging out in a mall. The girls you meet in sports are not the same girls you saw 30 years ago. Take a look at the roster of our junior team:
>
> http://www.etobicokedolphins.ca/Juniors/#roster.xsl and click on a player. Most of them are quite accomplished.
>
> The NMGHL ( http://www.nmghl.org/ ) is probably the most competitive girls hockey league in the world, and we happen to live dead-center in it. The participation rate for girls is exploding but has been limited by the availability of ice time, as boys'
clubs have their ice contracts grandfathered since the dawn of time. Girls have to wait for new ice to be built, which is not too much longer for my daughter's club:
>
> http://www.insidetoronto.com/to/eto...l?loc=etobicoke
>
> (PS No hitting in girls' hockey..."incidental contact" only...hehe...)
> (PPS Did you catch the recent Four Nations Cup? http://www.usolympicteam.com/11520_49929.htm )
Small world, I had a daughter who was 14, 20 years ago,
it's time to start worrying.
I worked at 666 the Queensway servicing antenna's before
cable, good enough money but dead-end. Also wired hockey
rinks PA systems, I loved height.
Good Luck
Ken
| |
| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-20, 1:25 pm |
|
Sasquatch wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
>
> Don't answer that unless you want RicodJour and Don stalking your
> daughter. Serious. They glean a few facts from your posts, and the
> next thing you know they're making comments about your personal life,
> which are comical, because they're clearly based on the few facts
> they've been able to glean, and not consistant with reality at all, but
> still disturbing. These guys are stalkers. Real sickos. I've been
> e-mailed directly at my home address, followed to unrelated newsgroups
> and harrassed, received thinly veiled death threats... Trust me. It's
> not worth it. Ignore them. I'm already doing a little precautionary
> investigating and taking certain safeguards to protect myself from
> these psychopaths. Don't make the mistakes I did. Ignore them.
> - John
Nonsense, been posting to this group for 3 years,
both of them fella's I'd gladly have into my home
for dinner and brews. I regard them as friends.
Ken
| |
| Kris Krieger 2006-11-20, 1:25 pm |
| "Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1163877909.223834.20650@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> No. Sorry. I didn't read any of the posts in depth. I just checked
> your profiles and noticed the *number* of posts. Alarming. Anyway,
> like I said, I didn't read them in depth, and that's because I've
> learned from your past posts that you usually do not have anything
> constructive to say, and the few posts that I skimmed confirmed that,
> so I didn't bother reading further. That's one of the consequences of
> poor character and lacking integrity. People tend to not take you
> seriously in the future.
Well, I guess I must just be stupid, IQ and education notwithstanding,
because, evidently unlike you, I've personally learned quite a lot of
useful and interesting things from the info that DOn and Rico have
offered. Sure, sometimes we disagree on stuff, and often, I personally
think they're a bit more acerbic than necessary, but different people are
different and that also includes the individuals we know here as Don and
Rico. Meanwhile, what you said in reply was at least as bad, if not
worse, than what you condemned them for doing. Esp. since they did have
valid points/questions, namely and especially, and as a point of
curiosity for me as well, What *DID* your contractor/architect advise?
Personally, I can't figure out why you'd even *have* to ask - it should
have been in the paperwork, part of the plan. That's not something so
minor that it should have been overlooked, especially given as often as
you've said the place is already being built. If it was ignored, if they
didn't think about that and have it planned-in *as soon* as they knew
your siding choice, uh, sorry, dood, but IMO, you're being ripped off BIG
time.
But, whatever. When people try to respond to your requests, you usually
say "there is a reason it's that way", so heck, maybe there is a
"reason" that this has been ignored for this long, so try this for a
start - but Yahoo has more business-oriented pages so you might try there
as well.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...2Frypon%22+%22%
28house+OR+molding+OR+building+OR+architect+OR+trim+OR+window%29
- K.
>
> But I would be happy to hear about alternatives to Fypon. Do you have
> a link?
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> RicodJour wrote:
>
>
| |
| Kris Krieger 2006-11-20, 1:25 pm |
| "Glenn" <pilcheg@kc.rr.com> wrote in news:ehk8h.19022$fh.11223
@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com:
> Why do you guys keep answering this guy?
>
> I have erased dozens of answers to his silly questions and you
> keep encouraging him.
Kind of like the old "train wreck" analogy, perhaps...?
>
>
> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
> news:ejr7f901vna@news1.newsguy.com...
>
| |
| Michael Bulatovich 2006-11-20, 1:25 pm |
| Calm yourself.
It's not *our* team, it's our *club's junior* team. The info I gave is
available on my site, and the "little one", who's bigger than most men,
understands angular momentum pretty well....hehe...I'm already prepared for
the call from the her new high school's office if/when she gets to
demonstrate that fact to the presumptuous...
I'm new to the group, and while some of the natives might reply with a bit
more bellicosity than I would to some posters, they've been friendly and
respectful to me. I understand their stance however, coming from a 'warrior
culture' myself.
(See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Montenegro )
I'll try to treat everyone with respect and I probably won't be perceived as
trying to get free anything out of anyone, which pisses off a lot of people.
For me newsgroups are a give-and-take operation. I always use my real name
on newsgroups, and conduct myself accordingly.
--
MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca
"Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1164046010.255285.87760@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Oh, boy. Now you're sharing your daughter's team's roster. You're in
> for it. These guys are going to use your personal info against you.
> Don't say I didn't warn you.
>
> - John
| |
| Michael Bulatovich 2006-11-20, 1:25 pm |
| See response in alt.architecture.
"Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1164046010.255285.87760@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Oh, boy. Now you're sharing your daughter's team's roster. You're in
> for it. These guys are going to use your personal info against you.
> Don't say I didn't warn you.
>
> - John
>
> Michael Bulatovich wrote:
>
| |
| Michael Bulatovich 2006-11-20, 5:26 pm |
|
"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
news:1164046420.237320.109930@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Small world, I had a daughter who was 14, 20 years ago,
> it's time to start worrying.
You mean I shouldn't have spent the last 14 years worrying?
| |
| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-20, 5:26 pm |
|
Michael Bulatovich wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
> news:1164046420.237320.109930@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> You mean I shouldn't have spent the last 14 years worrying?
That's just practice. The $1,000 for wedding pix
will be a relief, when you say "is that all" (gulp).
There will be interesting stuff between now and
then. ((Actually we're lucky we regard our daughter
and spouse and their daughter as best friends)).
Ken
| |
| RicodJour 2006-11-20, 5:26 pm |
| Ken S. Tucker wrote:
>
> Nonsense, been posting to this group for 3 years,
> both of them fella's I'd gladly have into my home
> for dinner and brews. I regard them as friends.
Thanks for the kind words, Ken. About those libations...if you're not
going to be wearing pants, there's no way I'm letting you get me drunk.
=:O
R
| |
| RicodJour 2006-11-20, 5:26 pm |
| Michael Bulatovich wrote:
>
> (PS No hitting in girls' hockey..."incidental contact" only...hehe...)
> (PPS Did you catch the recent Four Nations Cup? http://www.usolympicteam.com/11520_49929.htm )
Ummm...if I said which four nations, would that give you a clue? ;)
That's very cool about your kids' league. I understand, to a point,
the incidental contact thing - it's similar in women's lacrosse here.
It makes it a very different sport than what the guys' play. Do they
still wear all of that body armor?
It was interesting to see that some of the girls had aspirations of
getting a hockey scholarship to a college in the US. Is that a common
aspiration for college-bound kids in Canada? That's one of the things
about the Canadian/USA-ian schism. You have the provinces, and we act
provincial. I don't think I've ever heard a kid say they wanted to go
to college overseas or over a border or even through the woods.
Usually it's I want to go to Italy for junior year abroad.
I was also pleased to see that they included the grade point averages
on the roster bios. It helps to keep things in perspective and let the
kids know that all of the stuff matters, not just sports.
That hockey stick you mentioned you were thinking of getting your
daughter - I have no idea what they cost, but I know from my high
school days and from my hockey puck friends back then that it's an
_expensive_ sport. Particularly if the little buggers insist on
growing. Maybe it would be cheaper to just give her your credit card
and send her to the mall...? "Don't bankrupt Daddy, dear. Home by
ten. Kisses!" ;)
R
| |
| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-20, 5:26 pm |
|
RicodJour wrote:
> Ken S. Tucker wrote:
>
> Thanks for the kind words, Ken. About those libations...if you're not
> going to be wearing pants, there's no way I'm letting you get me drunk.
> =:O
> R
I like John, and you and Don, and have been
in my share of internet squabbles, shit happens.
But when John typed "death threats" I think he's
exceeded the 1st amendment by what he implied.
He should produce the evidence, or apologize,
cuz that's a very serious - slanderous - accusation.
Flamelessly Yours,
Ken
PS: I think you'll need a chaperone, so I feel safe!
| |
| Warm Worm 2006-11-20, 5:26 pm |
| RicodJour wrote:
> Ken S. Tucker wrote:
>
> Thanks for the kind words, Ken. About those libations...if you're not
> going to be wearing pants, there's no way I'm letting you get me drunk.
> =:O
I second Ken's sentiments of course with a BYOB qualification. ;)
As for the pants comment, that could freak John out a little too much
and feed into his concerns about the NG in general. LOL
And I think his apparent libel probably has more to do with being a
little flame-broiled is all.
While Don might like a good BBQ, I doubt he's a cannibal. ;D
| |
|
|
"Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote
I've been
> e-mailed directly at my home address, followed to unrelated newsgroups
> and harrassed, received thinly veiled death threats...
Lying bastard.
| |
|
| "RicodJour"> wrote
> Ken S. Tucker wrote:
>
> Thanks for the kind words, Ken. About those libations...if you're not
> going to be wearing pants, there's no way I'm letting you get me drunk.
> =:O
Same here, cept he can yank his britches if he wants, its his home.
I however will keep mines on. heh
Squashedsack is showing everyone what he's really all about.
Now we all know why he's not getting along with his *architect* and
contractor.
| |
| Sasquatch 2006-11-20, 5:26 pm |
|
Don wrote:
> Squashedsack is showing everyone what he's really all about.
> Now we all know why he's not getting along with his *architect* and
> contractor.
I'm getting along with them just fine. The only problems I'm having
are caused by mentally ill unemployeed dudes harrassing me in Usenet
discussion groups.
- John
| |
| Michael Bulatovich 2006-11-20, 5:26 pm |
|
"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
news:1164057298.848926.157330@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Michael Bulatovich wrote:
[color=darkred]
> That's very cool about your kids' league. I understand, to a point,
> the incidental contact thing - it's similar in women's lacrosse here.
> It makes it a very different sport than what the guys' play. Do they
> still wear all of that body armor?
Oh yes. There are still boards, and sticks, and pucks (not to mention the 2
minute minors for body checking, roughing, slashing etc). The game *is*
quite different as a result, though. You have to skate better, and you have
to play better positionally because you can't use an easy body check to
break up a play. However, like with the guys, if you skate around with your
head down-POW. (Even if it is an accident, you can still get shaken up. My
kid recently got 2 minutes for flattening a smaller girl who skated into her
at full speed with her head down. It was quite a collision. No injuries,
though.)
> It was interesting to see that some of the girls had aspirations of
> getting a hockey scholarship to a college in the US. Is that a common
> aspiration for college-bound kids in Canada? That's one of the things
> about the Canadian/USA-ian schism. You have the provinces, and we act
> provincial.
: )
> I don't think I've ever heard a kid say they wanted to go
> to college overseas or over a border or even through the woods.
> Usually it's I want to go to Italy for junior year abroad.
The american schools have the money for full scholarships, so that's where
the girls aim. Plus, if you're *really good*, you can go to an "ivy league"
school for free and impress everyone with your credentials for the rest of
your working life.
> I was also pleased to see that they included the grade point averages
> on the roster bios. It helps to keep things in perspective and let the
> kids know that all of the stuff matters, not just sports.
That's why I included the link. The demographic of girls hockey versus boys
is dramatic. The parents of the girls have more education, and generally
make more money. The girls themselves are often great students and role
models for younger kids. We were at a family dinner a while back and the
high-powered NYC lawyer wing of the family flew into town for it. They were
all thrilled that we were into it, and they credited much of their corporate
success on having played themselves when they were young. Especially the
women. They said it taught them compete as part of a team. (Women are
traditionally encourage to play individual sports in North America.)
> That hockey stick you mentioned you were thinking of getting your
> daughter - I have no idea what they cost, but I know from my high
> school days and from my hockey puck friends back then that it's an
> _expensive_ sport.
Amen. A cheap one-piece composite is about $80 CDN, and a really choice one
is $300-450. That's just the stick. My girl shattered a $170 two-piece
composite a month ago. Now we're chewing up the cheaper one-piecers. They
are getting cheaper and better because of the scale of production.
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| Sasquatch 2006-11-20, 5:26 pm |
| Don wrote:
> "Sasquatch" <linux4all@yahoo.com> wrote
> I've been
>
> Lying bastard.
There have been at least two such comments in the past, including, most
recently, the comment in which you said, "You have the lifespan of a TV
commercial." What does that even mean? My life's going to be cut
short? Do you know something I don't, psycho? ...or is that just
incoherent schizo babble that I should just ignore? Another comment
several weeks ago was even more direct and threatening. And the other
claims are not disputed. (i.e. e-mailed directly at my home address,
followed to unrelated newsgroups and harassed.) Face it. You're an
Internet stalker and a psychopath. That's what you are. Deal with it.
I know those are harsh words, but sometimes the truth is pretty
painful, and if you look at the previous threads you'll find that I
have never had | | |