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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> "what's that LG-Down button for ?"
> "don't know, ask when we get back to base"
> "what's that funny noise?"
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> http://www.zianet.com/tedmorris/dg/bombers4.html
Man thats an awesome lookin' ride isn't it?
I'd love to get in that thing and rip some stratospheres......
There's an artist out there that does military planes and he did one on the
B1b coming in low over a lake with mountains in the background and the
shockwave coming off the back of the plane is causing a neat rooster tail of
sorts blowing up from the lake surface.
His name is Dru Blair and he does some neat stuff, he has that B1b pic on
the front of his site: http://www.drublair.com/
Think I'll get it framed for my office wall.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-19, 1:25 pm |
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Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
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> Man thats an awesome lookin' ride isn't it?
> I'd love to get in that thing and rip some stratospheres......
The Bone gives me a hard on, when I get
reincarnated I'm coming back as one of them,
in the spirit of "My Mother the Car".
Them whiskers she has is supposed to smooth
the ride tropospherically, something to do with
*low level penetration ;-)*.
> There's an artist out there that does military planes and he did one on the
> B1b coming in low over a lake with mountains in the background and the
> shockwave coming off the back of the plane is causing a neat rooster tail of
> sorts blowing up from the lake surface.
>
> His name is Dru Blair and he does some neat stuff, he has that B1b pic on
> the front of his site: http://www.drublair.com/
> Think I'll get it framed for my office wall.
Cool Pic, we have a X-mas tradition of building
plastic A/C models, the Bone was hung in my
office, the ceiling fan swayed her around, nicely.
Ken
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| RicodJour 2006-11-19, 1:25 pm |
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Ken S. Tucker wrote:
> "what's that LG-Down button for ?"
> "don't know, ask when we get back to base"
> "what's that funny noise?"
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> http://www.zianet.com/tedmorris/dg/bombers4.html
Forgetting to put down the landing gear is extremely hard to believe.
How many hours do you think a pilot has to log before they let him get
in the cockpit of a B-1b? I doubt I could count that hight. And it's
not a single seat plane.
My car has an alarm when I attempt to leave the care without turning
the lights off, and alarm for not wearing my seatbelt, etc. I find it
hard to believe that there's not some sort of warning in such an
advanced plane.
It was also not clear from the little bit of writing on that page
exactly when the fire at landing started. I'm not a pilot, but the
father of a long time girlfriend was a double-ace in WWII and worked
for the FAA. A walking encyclopedia on flying. At the time of a
commercial airline accident that made the news he'd told me something
that I'd never thought about - that planes were supposed to come in
with the landing gear up for certain emergency situations as sliding
was less likely to cause catastrophic damage and death from a plane
digging in on landing due to a partially extended landing gear causing
the plane to dig in and pinwheel end over end down the runway. Made
sense to me after he said it. Maybe that's what happened here?
R
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| Michael Bulatovich 2006-11-19, 5:25 pm |
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"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
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> Ken S. Tucker wrote:
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> Forgetting to put down the landing gear is extremely hard to believe.
> How many hours do you think a pilot has to log before they let him get
> in the cockpit of a B-1b?
Sorry. That's a run of the mill error. For a $340,000,000
error see this:
http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillger/unit-mixups.html
--
MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca
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| RicodJour 2006-11-19, 9:25 pm |
| Michael Bulatovich wrote:
> "RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry. That's a run of the mill error. For a $340,000,000
> error see this:
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> http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillger/unit-mixups.html
Interesting web site.
Forgetting to put down a landing gear would be similar to forgetting
your doing 60 MPH and stepping out of the car to take a whiz.
R
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"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
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> Michael Bulatovich wrote:
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> Interesting web site.
>
> Forgetting to put down a landing gear would be similar to forgetting
> your doing 60 MPH and stepping out of the car to take a whiz.
Today I tried to get out while my seatbelt was still on.
The mind is a terrible thing.
I find it hard to believe a gazillion dollar jet doesn't have a means of
preventing it to land without the gear down.
Being the pilot(s) cannot *see* the landing gear I wonder if there was a
malfunction that showed the gear was don't but in fact it wasn't?
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| RicodJour 2006-11-20, 3:25 am |
| Don wrote:
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> I find it hard to believe a gazillion dollar jet doesn't have a means of
> preventing it to land without the gear down.
> Being the pilot(s) cannot *see* the landing gear I wonder if there was a
> malfunction that showed the gear was don't but in fact it wasn't?
Right. I could think of several possible scenarios where pilot error
was to blame, with or without mechanical failure, but to say the pilot
_and_ copilot "forgot" sounds outlandish, like a cover up or something.
R
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| Michael Bulatovich 2006-11-20, 3:25 am |
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"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
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> Michael Bulatovich wrote:
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> Interesting web site.
>
> Forgetting to put down a landing gear would be similar to forgetting
> your doing 60 MPH and stepping out of the car to take a whiz.
I'll grant you that the implications for the mistake-maker were a bit more
visceral in the case of the jet, but just try to imagine the protocols of
checks and rechecks that go into a mission to Mars, even if it is unmanned.
Think of how long the thing sat on the boards, and on how many boards.
The pilots could have been distracted for a crucial moment, or they could
have been a pair of cowboys who figured they were invincible. I've heard it
said that if cars were invented today, no one but professionals would be
allowed to operate them......
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"Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message
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> "RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
> news:1163991072.572473.117860@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
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> I'll grant you that the implications for the mistake-maker were a bit more
> visceral in the case of the jet, but just try to imagine the protocols of
> checks and rechecks that go into a mission to Mars, even if it is
> unmanned. Think of how long the thing sat on the boards, and on how many
> boards.
Now THATS how mistakes occur, sitting on the board for a long time.
You lose your train of thought, move on to other stuff, then come back to it
days, weeks, months later.
I hate jobs like that.
I like to focus on one task and get it done.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-20, 5:26 pm |
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RicodJour wrote:
> Ken S. Tucker wrote:
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> Forgetting to put down the landing gear is extremely hard to believe.
> How many hours do you think a pilot has to log before they let him get
> in the cockpit of a B-1b? I doubt I could count that hight. And it's
> not a single seat plane.
Here's a bit more...
http://www.acc.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123027298
> My car has an alarm when I attempt to leave the care without turning
> the lights off, and alarm for not wearing my seatbelt, etc. I find it
> hard to believe that there's not some sort of warning in such an
> advanced plane.
>
> It was also not clear from the little bit of writing on that page
> exactly when the fire at landing started. I'm not a pilot, but the
> father of a long time girlfriend was a double-ace in WWII and worked
> for the FAA. A walking encyclopedia on flying. At the time of a
> commercial airline accident that made the news he'd told me something
> that I'd never thought about - that planes were supposed to come in
> with the landing gear up for certain emergency situations as sliding
> was less likely to cause catastrophic damage and death from a plane
> digging in on landing due to a partially extended landing gear causing
> the plane to dig in and pinwheel end over end down the runway. Made
> sense to me after he said it. Maybe that's what happened here?
> R
I think it was pilot(s) errors, IF them guys had
belly landed on purpose for some mechanical
reason, they would be hero's, that's ultra
dangerous given the engines locations.
I sense no cover-up, just a plain mistake,
probably career killers.
Ken
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| RicodJour 2006-11-20, 5:26 pm |
| Ken S. Tucker wrote:
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> I think it was pilot(s) errors, IF them guys had
> belly landed on purpose for some mechanical
> reason, they would be hero's, that's ultra
> dangerous given the engines locations.
> I sense no cover-up, just a plain mistake,
> probably career killers.
Holy crap. I stand corrected. They _do_ put idjits behind the yoke on
billion dollar bombers. I truly am at a loss for....
R
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-20, 5:26 pm |
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RicodJour wrote:
> Ken S. Tucker wrote:
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> Holy crap. I stand corrected. They _do_ put idjits behind the yoke on
> billion dollar bombers. I truly am at a loss for....
> R
When I trained on fixed gear A/C the instructor,
who didn't speak too much, warned me twice,
when you're landing retractable landing gear A/C's,
put the wheels down!
I'm informed that's a common mistake when graduating
from fixed to retractable gear.
Ken
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| Michael Bulatovich 2006-11-20, 5:26 pm |
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"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
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> I think it was pilot(s) errors, IF them guys had
> belly landed on purpose for some mechanical
> reason, they would be hero's, that's ultra
> dangerous given the engines locations.
> I sense no cover-up, just a plain mistake,
> probably career killers.
Imagine the feeling at that moment when you know you should have touch down,
and still no "thump"....and you keep dropping.
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> RicodJour wrote:
>
> Here's a bit more...
> http://www.acc.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123027298
From that link:
The red warning light in the gear handle, indicating all landing gear was
not down and locked, was illuminated for more than four minutes during the
approach. Additionally, at the time the aircraft landed, the three green
position lights, which illuminate after the landing gear has locked in the
down position, were not illuminated.
Damage totaled approximately $7.9 million for the aircraft and the damage to
the runway totaled approximately $14,025.
Those 2 guys should be paying that debt.
Wait a minute, did I say *guys*?
They let females drive them things too right?
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-20, 8:25 pm |
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Michael Bulatovich wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
> news:1164050819.069829.221580@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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> Imagine the feeling at that moment when you know you should have touch down,
> and still no "thump"....and you keep dropping.
Oh yeah, based on winds, tower communicates
the strip number and then one plans on rotating
the craft to near stall over the numbers (painted on
the strip), that's a thrill, an adreniline high for me,
I love touch and go's with cross winds, really.
I crabbed in with a 30 knot cross wind, and touched
down so your coffee wouldn't spill, it was unifying
the strip, the A/C, the winds, and then responding.
Ken
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| RicodJour 2006-11-20, 8:25 pm |
| Ken S. Tucker wrote:
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> Oh yeah, based on winds, tower communicates
> the strip number and then one plans on rotating
> the craft to near stall over the numbers (painted on
> the strip), that's a thrill, an adreniline high for me,
> I love touch and go's with cross winds, really.
> I crabbed in with a 30 knot cross wind, and touched
> down so your coffee wouldn't spill, it was unifying
> the strip, the A/C, the winds, and then responding.
Flow.
R
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