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| Here's 2 current pix, took them a few mins ago.
The first shows the interior wall between the office and the garage, this
view is from the garage side looking toward the office.
The small window will be over my desk and the door will lead out to a small
deck and a bridge and walkway to the house entry porch, which you can see in
the background through the window. The garage is south of the house.
http://i10.tinypic.com/35mfz1e.jpg
The 2nd pic is from the driveway looking at the front of the garage.
The front door to my office is on the right, there will eventually be a
small deck with railing and a gate around that door.
I might even put a small gable over that door on down the line.
There are 2 entry doors to my office, 1 on the front and 1 on the side.
Then theres a door from the office to the garage.
The 2 end roof panels need to be trimmed before they can be installed then
the ridge cap and closure strips will be installed.
Right now the ridge is open and we're expecting rain by this evening.
The roof panels are a bright silver but they appear light blue because the
sky is reflected in them.
This is the only silver metal roof I have seen anywhere in the county.
There are alot of metal roofs around but they are mostly green or red.
http://i15.tinypic.com/2zg4uw0.jpg
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-26, 1:25 pm |
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Don wrote:
> Here's 2 current pix, took them a few mins ago.
> The first shows the interior wall between the office and the garage, this
> view is from the garage side looking toward the office.
> The small window will be over my desk and the door will lead out to a small
> deck and a bridge and walkway to the house entry porch, which you can see in
> the background through the window. The garage is south of the house.
>
> http://i10.tinypic.com/35mfz1e.jpg
>
>
> The 2nd pic is from the driveway looking at the front of the garage.
> The front door to my office is on the right, there will eventually be a
> small deck with railing and a gate around that door.
> I might even put a small gable over that door on down the line.
> There are 2 entry doors to my office, 1 on the front and 1 on the side.
> Then theres a door from the office to the garage.
> The 2 end roof panels need to be trimmed before they can be installed then
> the ridge cap and closure strips will be installed.
> Right now the ridge is open and we're expecting rain by this evening.
> The roof panels are a bright silver but they appear light blue because the
> sky is reflected in them.
> This is the only silver metal roof I have seen anywhere in the county.
> There are alot of metal roofs around but they are mostly green or red.
>
> http://i15.tinypic.com/2zg4uw0.jpg
Thanks Don!
As soon as we clicked the 2nd pic, it was like
awesome roof, real nice reflection of the sky.
We're tempted (hot sun and forest fire hazard),
to go "silver" on our walls, cuz it blends better
than white with the scenery and I think makes
the building look smaller and less obtrusive.
I'm supposing: If it's ok for a roof it must be ok
for a wall...given a wall is a roof with high pitch.
What is the approximate price per square ft?
(We need to do 800 sq.ft.on our humble abode).
You're getting a nice X-mas present.
Ken
PS: We've had a few inches of easy snow, looks
beautiful on the evergreens, I here Santa cummin'.
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| RicodJour 2006-11-26, 5:25 pm |
| Ken S. Tucker wrote:
>
> Thanks Don!
> As soon as we clicked the 2nd pic, it was like
> awesome roof, real nice reflection of the sky.
> We're tempted (hot sun and forest fire hazard),
> to go "silver" on our walls, cuz it blends better
> than white with the scenery and I think makes
> the building look smaller and less obtrusive.
> I'm supposing: If it's ok for a roof it must be ok
> for a wall...given a wall is a roof with high pitch.
> What is the approximate price per square ft?
> (We need to do 800 sq.ft.on our humble abode).
Speaking of reflectivity and fire hazards, have you ever seen the
little documentary on how house maintenance improves the chances of the
house surviving a nuclear blast? Check it out on archive.org -
http://www.archive.org/details/Houseint1954 Unbelievable stuff.
R
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> Thanks Don!
> As soon as we clicked the 2nd pic, it was like
> awesome roof, real nice reflection of the sky.
> We're tempted (hot sun and forest fire hazard),
> to go "silver" on our walls, cuz it blends better
> than white with the scenery and I think makes
> the building look smaller and less obtrusive.
> I'm supposing: If it's ok for a roof it must be ok
> for a wall...given a wall is a roof with high pitch.
> What is the approximate price per square ft?
> (We need to do 800 sq.ft.on our humble abode).
>
> You're getting a nice X-mas present.
> Ken
> PS: We've had a few inches of easy snow, looks
> beautiful on the evergreens, I here Santa cummin'.
Each roof panel is 14'-6" x 36" and they cost $54.95 each.
My roof is 38' long so it took 11 panels per side and I'll trim 6" off the
end panels so that everything apears aligned.
They had many colors, and 2 different rib profiles.
The stuffs pretty thin, 26ga I think, and will dent-bend easily, though once
installed on the roof it seems pretty solid, but very slippery.
The first panel has to be installed perfectly otherwise the slightest
misalignment will make itself know as you add additional panels.
I started in the middle and worked toward the ends.
Going to the right the lap was just fine but going to the left each new
panel had to be slid under the previous one.
One long edge of each panel has a small (1/4") extension on the rib and that
edge had to go under the next panel.
Kinda hard to explain but suffice to say, the panels can only be installed
one way and it has to be almost perfect.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-26, 5:25 pm |
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RicodJour wrote:
> Ken S. Tucker wrote:
>
> Speaking of reflectivity and fire hazards, have you ever seen the
> little documentary on how house maintenance improves the chances of the
> house surviving a nuclear blast? Check it out on archive.org -
> http://www.archive.org/details/Houseint1954 Unbelievable stuff.
Dang Rico, I red,
"cleanliness is an essential part of civil defense"
ther ya go, mom was right, taking baths protects
ya from them pesky atomic ray beams.
A fav movie of mine is "The Atomic Cafe", it's a
must see mass paranoia in action. Worst case,
the electrocuton of the Rosenberg Parent's, WTF
were they thinking? Totally Insane.
Ken
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| RicodJour 2006-11-26, 5:25 pm |
| Ken S. Tucker wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
>
> Dang Rico, I red,
You're a commie! I knew it!
> "cleanliness is an essential part of civil defense"
> ther ya go, mom was right, taking baths protects
> ya from them pesky atomic ray beams.
Did you check out that atomic blast video? It would never have occured
to me that keeping the house clean and staying abreast (Don's
tit-tering right now) of the painting would have such a big impact on
the house catching on fire.
> A fav movie of mine is "The Atomic Cafe", it's a
> must see mass paranoia in action. Worst case,
> the electrocuton of the Rosenberg Parent's, WTF
> were they thinking? Totally Insane.
I never saw that one. I'll have to look for it. Thanks.
R
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-26, 5:25 pm |
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RicodJour wrote:
> Ken S. Tucker wrote:
>
> You're a commie! I knew it!
No joke, we're currently investigating a western province
in canada, BC, that we find stands for *Be Communist.*
It's pretty bad out here.
What US state is the least Commie?
that's where I'd like to move to.
>From what Don says about Indiana, he may have a
weird neighbour! But we're thinin Nevada.
>
> Did you check out that atomic blast video? It would never have occured
> to me that keeping the house clean and staying abreast (Don's
> tit-tering right now) of the painting would have such a big impact on
> the house catching on fire.
It's far more hideous, ask and I will tell.
>
> I never saw that one. I'll have to look for it. Thanks.
> R
Get it, shows a truth you may not like...
Ken
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> What US state is the least Commie?
> that's where I'd like to move to.
From what I hear Idaho and New Hampshire are still pretty liveable.
> weird neighbour! But we're thinin Nevada.
We're in a little pocket of semi-utopia here in Brown County.
Life is slow, people mind their own business and all facets of gov't are
small and seemingly manageable.
Hopefully it will stay this way until I cash my check.
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| RicodJour 2006-11-26, 8:25 pm |
| Don wrote:
>
> We're in a little pocket of semi-utopia here in Brown County.
> Life is slow, people mind their own business and all facets of gov't are
> small and seemingly manageable.
> Hopefully it will stay this way until I cash my check.
Who the hell are you kidding? You know someone's going to cash it for
you. =:O
R
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-27, 9:25 am |
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Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> From what I hear Idaho and New Hampshire are still pretty liveable.
>
>
> We're in a little pocket of semi-utopia here in Brown County.
> Life is slow, people mind their own business and all facets of gov't are
> small and seemingly manageable.
> Hopefully it will stay this way until I cash my check.
It may have been in a town in NH where the teens
decided to get naked in a parking lot, and it was
decided by the town that's ok. Personally if I was
walkin around naked, I'd wear a towel, but the
freedom of choice is excellent.
We went to Las Vegas and I wore a T-shirt and
boxer shorts, backwards so my pp wouldn't fall out,
you now those ones with the hearts on them.
I was a bit centered out, but I was allowed into the
casino's, I thought that was cool.
Would you call Nevada an adult state?
TIA
Ken
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| Michael Bulatovich 2006-11-27, 9:25 am |
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"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
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> A fav movie of mine is "The Atomic Cafe", it's a
> must see mass paranoia in action. Worst case,
> the electrocuton of the Rosenberg Parent's, WTF
> were they thinking? Totally Insane.
I don't know about that. The Cold War really was a war in every sense except
for the constant shooting.
Both sides were out to get the other, so it ain't paranoia....it's FEAR.
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| Michael Bulatovich 2006-11-27, 9:25 am |
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"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
news:1164578216.033984.234760@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Did you check out that atomic blast video? It would never have occured
> to me that keeping the house clean and staying abreast (Don's
> tit-tering right now) of the painting would have such a big impact on
> the house catching on fire.
Call me paranoid, but I worry about this stuff for every cottage or
house-in-the-woods that I do. (Not nuclear, of course...forest fires.)
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| Warm Worm 2006-11-27, 8:25 pm |
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Don wrote:
> Here's 2 current pix, took them a few mins ago.
> The first shows the interior wall between the office and the garage, this
> view is from the garage side looking toward the office.
> The small window will be over my desk and the door will lead out to a small
> deck and a bridge and walkway to the house entry porch, which you can see in
> the background through the window. The garage is south of the house.
>
> http://i10.tinypic.com/35mfz1e.jpg
>
>
> The 2nd pic is from the driveway looking at the front of the garage.
> The front door to my office is on the right, there will eventually be a
> small deck with railing and a gate around that door.
> I might even put a small gable over that door on down the line.
> There are 2 entry doors to my office, 1 on the front and 1 on the side.
> Then theres a door from the office to the garage.
> The 2 end roof panels need to be trimmed before they can be installed then
> the ridge cap and closure strips will be installed.
> Right now the ridge is open and we're expecting rain by this evening.
> The roof panels are a bright silver but they appear light blue because the
> sky is reflected in them.
> This is the only silver metal roof I have seen anywhere in the county.
> There are alot of metal roofs around but they are mostly green or red.
>
> http://i15.tinypic.com/2zg4uw0.jpg
That's a smart-looking garage and roof... 2.5 questions: What are you
doing about the uncovered part of the roof, are you going to paint the
metal, and where are all the (office) windows?
I (and Ken ;) could live in that thing.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-28, 3:25 am |
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Michael Bulatovich wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
> news:1164574927.510301.302850@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
>
> I don't know about that. The Cold War really was a war in every sense except
> for the constant shooting.
> Both sides were out to get the other, so it ain't paranoia....it's FEAR.
My comment refered only to the 'said' execution.
Where the Cold War Gesalt is concerned, if I
understand correctly, my research remains classified,
which is ok with me, but I'm happy to dialog.
It's about human ability to deal with technology.
Ken
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-28, 3:25 am |
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Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> Each roof panel is 14'-6" x 36" and they cost $54.95 each.
> My roof is 38' long so it took 11 panels per side and I'll trim 6" off the
> end panels so that everything apears aligned.
> They had many colors, and 2 different rib profiles.
> The stuffs pretty thin, 26ga I think, and will dent-bend easily, though once
> installed on the roof it seems pretty solid, but very slippery.
> The first panel has to be installed perfectly otherwise the slightest
> misalignment will make itself know as you add additional panels.
> I started in the middle and worked toward the ends.
> Going to the right the lap was just fine but going to the left each new
> panel had to be slid under the previous one.
> One long edge of each panel has a small (1/4") extension on the rib and that
> edge had to go under the next panel.
> Kinda hard to explain but suffice to say, the panels can only be installed
> one way and it has to be almost perfect.
Thanks Don.
For a 20x20x10' high, it's a bit over $1000.
One friggin issue the wife and BI-guy have
is the possible bright reflection that might
be disconcerting, so now I have to figure
out the sun light reflections over the four
seasons, that's fair enough.
It's not a code issue, merely a matter of
avoiding projecting sun into drivers eyes.
Ugh, one more calculation.
Everyone else wants me to go bland white,
but then my dang little building sticks out
like a sore thumb. I'm thinkin' go the silver
and if it's a problem then paint it whatever.
Ken
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-28, 3:25 am |
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Warm Worm wrote:
> Don wrote:
>
> That's a smart-looking garage and roof... 2.5 questions: What are you
> doing about the uncovered part of the roof, are you going to paint the
> metal, and where are all the (office) windows?
It was clear to me what Don has don.
> I (and Ken ;) could live in that thing.
Me! living with a person named "warm worm"
living in Don's garage??, well you only live once,
and I'm not getting any younger. Btw is it ok if
I bring the wife, we've been hangin' for 35 years.
Ken
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| "Warm Worm"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> That's a smart-looking garage and roof... 2.5 questions: What are you
> doing about the uncovered part of the roof, are you going to paint the
> metal, and where are all the (office) windows?
>
> I (and Ken ;) could live in that thing.
The roof is entirely cover with steel right now.
In the pic the end roof panels had not been installed yet because they
needed to have 6" trimmed off the end.
The roof ridge cap and vents have now been installed too.
The roof is now waterproof and its supposed to rain this week, the ultimate
test.
There are (3) 3'x3' single hung windows in this building.
One directly over my desk in the office (north facing) so I can watch the
birds, squirrels, chipmunks.
One over my workbench in the rear/center of the garage (west facing) so I
can warch the deers drinking from the stream down in the woods.
And one in the center of the south wall of the garage for light and cross
ventilation.
I didn't want alot of windows cause I need the wall space instead.
I also have 2 exterior swing doors that have windows in them and the 2
overhead garage doors will have windows along the top panels.
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> It's about human ability to deal with technology.
I personally believe that young humans inability to *control* advanced
weaponry technology is the reason for the very high rate of fratricide in
recent incidents.
I understand that since the mid 80's the fratricide casualty rate among US
troops is 60% or higher and climbing every year.
Hell, many of them can't even drive!
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> Thanks Don.
> For a 20x20x10' high, it's a bit over $1000.
OK, I apparently read the invoice wrong.
Now that I'm looking at it again I don't know how they came up with their
figure but the total cost for my 26 panels was $656.05 so your smaller
building would be less than that. My roof was roughly 1200 sf.
That cost did not include the drip edge, roof ridge, closure strips.
I think shingles would been about $200 less but would have been harder to
install and taken more time.
I always wanted a silver steel roof.
In SW FL this is considered VERY upscale.
Around here its sort of ordinary because there are alot of metal roofs, but
eye-catchingly different because of the color.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-28, 5:25 pm |
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Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> I personally believe that young humans inability to *control* advanced
> weaponry technology is the reason for the very high rate of fratricide in
> recent incidents.
> I understand that since the mid 80's the fratricide casualty rate among US
> troops is 60% or higher and climbing every year.
> Hell, many of them can't even drive!
Yeah, but it's not just "young" humans.
Consider 1935 to 1955, a mere 20 years.
- Biplanes to B-52's
- dynamite to H-bombs
- cannons to ICBM's
- tubes to transistors
- radio to TV
and the big one, floridated water that saps
and impurifies our precious bodily fluids.
((was floridated water invented in Florida?,
where Don comes from, coincidence??))
I figure the rate of change of technology
was overwhelming, and so impressive it
lead to the "suspension of disbelief",
and in the absence of rationality, paranoia
sold well.
Ken
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| Michael Bulatovich 2006-11-28, 5:25 pm |
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"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
news:1164749624.507065.68870@14g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> and the big one, floridated water that saps
> and impurifies our precious bodily fluids.
"OPE"..he...he...another of my favorite movies, by one of my favorite film
makers: Dr. Strangelove
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-28, 5:25 pm |
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Michael Bulatovich wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
> news:1164749624.507065.68870@14g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>
> "OPE"..he...he...another of my favorite movies, by one of my favorite film
> makers: Dr. Strangelove
General LeMay, (read his bio) ordered 100's of B-36's,
1000's of B-47's and nearly a 1000 B-52's and put them
on hair trigger alert! Dang, if I was a rusky I'd get a bit
paranoid. I understand that movies attitude was more
fact than fiction.
Ken
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| Michael Bulatovich 2006-11-28, 8:25 pm |
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"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
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>
> Michael Bulatovich wrote:
>
> General LeMay, (read his bio)
Now you've taken me back...to the presidential candidacy of George Wallace.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-28, 8:25 pm |
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Michael Bulatovich wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
> news:1164753909.703166.205160@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Now you've taken me back...to the presidential candidacy of George Wallace.
No-no, Wallace seemed to possess bigotry that
alienated colored Americans, as if minorities or any
one else needs that sort of attitude. Frankly, I never
understood him (Wallace). Why do mention him?
Ken
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| Michael Bulatovich 2006-11-28, 9:25 pm |
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"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
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>
> Michael Bulatovich wrote:
>
> No-no, Wallace seemed to possess bigotry that
> alienated colored Americans, as if minorities or any
> one else needs that sort of attitude. Frankly, I never
> understood him (Wallace). Why do mention him?
From Wikipedia:
"LeMay was essentially forced into retirement in February 1965, and seemed
headed for a political career. His highest political accomplishment was his
selection as the Vice Presidential candidate on segregationist George
Wallace's 1968 American Independent Party ticket."
I didn't mean 'take me back" as in the "good old days", but rather the
America I just glimpsed as a kid, "colored only" drinking fountains, and
black folks at the back of the bus.
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| Warm Worm 2006-11-29, 9:25 am |
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Ken S. Tucker wrote:
> Warm Worm wrote:
>
> It was clear to me what Don has don.
>
>
> Me! living with a person named "warm worm"
> living in Don's garage??, well you only live once,
> and I'm not getting any younger.
*Nicknamed* Warm Worm.
> Btw is it ok if I bring the wife, we've been hangin' for 35 years.
What we can do is wall up the inside into 3 sections. Wifey can take
the middle, and I or you can take the 1/2 garage or office. We can
order some bubble furniture.
Unsure about you or Wifey, but I expect Don to deliver continental
breakfast buffets daily at 11:59 sharp.
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| Warm Worm 2006-11-29, 9:25 am |
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Don wrote:
> "Warm Worm"
>
> The roof is entirely cover with steel right now.
How do you like it?
> In the pic the end roof panels had not been installed yet because they
> needed to have 6" trimmed off the end.
How is that done and do you do it yourself?
While I'm at it, how much do/did you do yourself, how do/did you do it,
and how much do you contract out? Am I to presume that you get much of
it shipped as prefabbed pieces, like the trusses, and then assemble the
whole thing like a giant Ikea piece?
> The roof ridge cap and vents have now been installed too.
> The roof is now waterproof and its supposed to rain this week, the ultimate
> test.
Let us know how it fares.
> There are (3) 3'x3' single hung windows in this building.
> One directly over my desk in the office (north facing) so I can watch the
> birds, squirrels, chipmunks.
Binoculars? Telephoto camera lense?
> One over my workbench in the rear/center of the garage (west facing) so I
> can warch the deers drinking from the stream down in the woods.
> And one in the center of the south wall of the garage for light and cross
> ventilation.
> I didn't want alot of windows cause I need the wall space instead.
Well it's only a garage/workspace afterall.
> I also have 2 exterior swing doors that have windows in them and the 2
> overhead garage doors will have windows along the top panels.
Sounds fine.
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| "Warm Worm"> wrote
> Ken S. Tucker wrote:
>
> *Nicknamed* Warm Worm.
>
>
> What we can do is wall up the inside into 3 sections. Wifey can take
> the middle, and I or you can take the 1/2 garage or office. We can
> order some bubble furniture.
> Unsure about you or Wifey, but I expect Don to deliver continental
> breakfast buffets daily at 11:59 sharp.
Well since EACH of ya'll will be paying me $1000 per month to habitate in my
humble abode here in lovely Brown County I will be happy to rustle up that
continental breakfast, and install fresh *line dried* linens. :-)
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| "Warm Worm"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> How do you like it?
Its only been completed for 2 days now so I don't have a total opinion yet.
I like the way it looks, and if it holds up to the rain that started late
last night I'll be relatively pleased.
I'm interested in how it does with a snow load.
Its a 6/12 pitch so I'm thinking the snow might slide right off of it.
But then again, the steel may freeze and give the snow a *tooth* to cling
to.
>
> How is that done and do you do it yourself?
> While I'm at it, how much do/did you do yourself, how do/did you do it,
> and how much do you contract out? Am I to presume that you get much of
> it shipped as prefabbed pieces, like the trusses, and then assemble the
> whole thing like a giant Ikea piece?
From the top of the slab to the peak of the roof, thus far all of the work
has been done by myself and one friend.
I brought him aboard to do the trusses, roof plywood and steel roof panels.
The roof panels were ordered at Menards and they delivered them to the site
and they were 3' x 14'-6" long, there were 26 panels.
The end roof panels were cut with a sheet metal shear like this one:
http://tinyurl.com/tnefn
The shear removes a 1/4" slot in the metal to avoid distorting the edge of
the metal like a scissor would, and its very fast.
The roof panels were lifted and installed on top of the roof plywood and
felt one panel at a time.
>
> Let us know how it fares.
Will do.
>
> Binoculars? Telephoto camera lense?
Yes, for stuff at a distance.
But there are literally hundreds of birds, rabbits, chipmunks and squirrels
that come right up on the porch and hang out throughout the yard.
The distance from the office window to the house is about 40 feet and we
have lots of bird and squirrel feeders in between as well as a bridge and a
deck-like walkway. There is one group of feeders about 10' from the window.
The wild creatures have gotten used to all the contruction noise and
activity.
>
> Well it's only a garage/workspace afterall.
>
>
> Sounds fine.
>
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-29, 9:25 am |
|
Michael Bulatovich wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
> news:1164759885.339525.117140@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
>
> From Wikipedia:
>
> "LeMay was essentially forced into retirement in February 1965, and seemed
> headed for a political career. His highest political accomplishment was his
> selection as the Vice Presidential candidate on segregationist George
> Wallace's 1968 American Independent Party ticket."
>
> I didn't mean 'take me back" as in the "good old days", but rather the
> America I just glimpsed as a kid, "colored only" drinking fountains, and
> black folks at the back of the bus.
Oops, over-looked that connection.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-29, 9:25 am |
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Don wrote:
> "Warm Worm"> wrote
>
> Its only been completed for 2 days now so I don't have a total opinion yet.
> I like the way it looks, and if it holds up to the rain that started late
> last night I'll be relatively pleased.
This AM it was -15F here, near record cold.
The good news is it's leaving and going to
Indiana.
> I'm interested in how it does with a snow load.
> Its a 6/12 pitch so I'm thinking the snow might slide right off of it.
> But then again, the steel may freeze and give the snow a *tooth* to cling
> to.
>
>
> From the top of the slab to the peak of the roof, thus far all of the work
> has been done by myself and one friend.
> I brought him aboard to do the trusses, roof plywood and steel roof panels.
> The roof panels were ordered at Menards and they delivered them to the site
> and they were 3' x 14'-6" long, there were 26 panels.
> The end roof panels were cut with a sheet metal shear like this one:
> http://tinyurl.com/tnefn
> The shear removes a 1/4" slot in the metal to avoid distorting the edge of
> the metal like a scissor would, and its very fast.
> The roof panels were lifted and installed on top of the roof plywood and
> felt one panel at a time.
I've always had problems with ceilings.
We assembled 10x4 panels on saw horses lifted
them part way up then put in 12" of fiber glass
insulation. Then pushed them up one end at a time.
It was a bit complicated, but it turned out very well.
Do you have a plan for your ceiling and installation?
Ken
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-29, 1:25 pm |
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Don wrote:
> "Warm Worm"> wrote
Ok I edited to capitals, Mr. Warm Worm.
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>
> Well since EACH of ya'll will be paying me $1000 per month to habitate in my
> humble abode here in lovely Brown County I will be happy to rustle up that
> continental breakfast, and install fresh *line dried* linens. :-)
Does that include martini's served at dawn by Don?
Ken
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> This AM it was -15F here, near record cold.
> The good news is it's leaving and going to
> Indiana.
Thats what my wife keeps telling me, freezing and snow by weeks end.
You canucks need to start keeping your damn fridge doors shut! heh
> Do you have a plan for your ceiling and installation?
Yes and its not very elaborate.
Surface mounted 4 tube flourescents in the garage and office, ceiling hugger
ceiling fans and R19 insulation everywhere.
I have to get some of those, don't know what they're called, thin styrofoam
panels that are stapled to the low end of the truss top chords to keep the
ceiling insulation from blocking the air transmission from the soffit to the
attic space.
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| Bob Morrison 2006-11-29, 1:25 pm |
| In a previous post Don wrote...
> I have to get some of those, don't know what they're called, thin styrofoam
> panels that are stapled to the low end of the truss top chords to keep the
> ceiling insulation from blocking the air transmission from the soffit to the
> attic space.
>
Insulation dams
--
Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA
bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-29, 1:25 pm |
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Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> Thats what my wife keeps telling me, freezing and snow by weeks end.
> You canucks need to start keeping your damn fridge doors shut! heh
Wifes having so many hot flashes we may need A/C.
>
> Yes and its not very elaborate.
> Surface mounted 4 tube flourescents in the garage and office, ceiling hugger
> ceiling fans and R19 insulation everywhere.
> I have to get some of those, don't know what they're called, thin styrofoam
> panels that are stapled to the low end of the truss top chords to keep the
> ceiling insulation from blocking the air transmission from the soffit to the
> attic space.
You're pullin' my leg. You not going to disrespect
that fine building by cheapin' out on the ceiling.
We put up 1/8" paneling, rated for vapor protection
and I'm cheap! We built boxes on horsies using
1x6 on the perimeter of the aforementioned 4x10
ceiling panels, and glued them to a center support
without piecing the panels. We turned them over and
put weights on them so the glue would hold the
panel to the 1x6 at effective 24" oc.
At installation we gasket sealed the ceiling using
2x4 pine stained trim screwed flush.
Look, take step a back, you're gonna live with that
ceiling. Make it so when you walk into that fine
building over the next 20 years, you'll be proud,
we are, it's worth an extra effort.
Best
Ken
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| "Bob Morrison"> wrote
> In a previous post Don wrote...
>
> Insulation dams
I thought that was what you said after installing insulation with a short
sleeve shirt on.
"Insulation, DAMN!"
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> Wifes having so many hot flashes we may need A/C.
When mine starts rattlin' on about that stuff I go to the garage and pound
some nails.
>
> You're pullin' my leg. You not going to disrespect
> that fine building by cheapin' out on the ceiling.
> We put up 1/8" paneling, rated for vapor protection
> and I'm cheap! We built boxes on horsies using
> 1x6 on the perimeter of the aforementioned 4x10
> ceiling panels, and glued them to a center support
> without piecing the panels. We turned them over and
> put weights on them so the glue would hold the
> panel to the 1x6 at effective 24" oc.
> At installation we gasket sealed the ceiling using
> 2x4 pine stained trim screwed flush.
>
> Look, take step a back, you're gonna live with that
> ceiling. Make it so when you walk into that fine
> building over the next 20 years, you'll be proud,
> we are, it's worth an extra effort.
By next summer the whole thing will be detailed out nicely.
Right now I just have to get the basic stuff in so I can get functional.
I've been neglecting my *real* work for the past month and its starting to
pile up.
BTW: I'm also gonna have (2) 4 tube 4' flourescent fixtures on the ceiling
with blacklight tubes in them.
I likes me some blacklights when I'm partyin'!
My office-workshop-garage will be an extreme multi-purpose space.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-11-30, 1:25 pm |
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Don wrote:
....
> By next summer the whole thing will be detailed out nicely.
> Right now I just have to get the basic stuff in so I can get functional.
> I've been neglecting my *real* work for the past month and its starting to
> pile up.
> BTW: I'm also gonna have (2) 4 tube 4' flourescent fixtures on the ceiling
> with blacklight tubes in them.
> I likes me some blacklights when I'm partyin'!
> My office-workshop-garage will be an extreme multi-purpose space.
May want to consider some acoustics, for tools
and music, to deaden the echo. In our last shop
I burlaped the ceiling panels and left the fiber wool
wall insulation uncovered, certainly there are better
ways.
Ken
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