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| cyburbia.org 2006-09-09, 5:25 pm |
| Cyburbia Planning Community Update 1: 9 September 2005
This is the first time we at Cyburbia (http://www.cyburbia.org) have
sent out an update describing what's new on the site. We have been
reluctant to send out such updates in the past, not wanting to add more
clutter to busy listservs and crowded email boxes. However, after
seeing advisories sent out in a similar manner for other
planning-related sites, we decided to take the plunge.
CYBURBIA VOICES: MAKING THE CONNECTION BETWEEN HGTV AND DOWNTOWN
REVITALIZATION
In our first Voices article, Michael Stumpf, AICP, CEcD, describes how
a convergence of renewed interest in the central city, attractive
retail rents, and the popularity of do-it-yourself home improvement and
interior decorating could result in America's downtowns becoming
tomorrow's hot "furniture row."
You can read "Making the Connection Between HGTV and Downtown
Revitalization" at http://www.cyburbia.org/node/291 or
http://www.cyburbia.org/voices/opin...the_connection. To
comment and discuss the article with the author, register to become a
Cyburbia Forums member at http://www.cyburbia.org/forums/register.php.
CYBURBIA FORUMS: REMEMBERING 9-11
On Monday, it will have been five years after the World Trade Center
disappeared from the New York skyline, taking with it 2,752 lives.
Planners and other Cyburbia Forums members are discussing the
perspective of that day, as it relates to their proximity to NYC, at
http://www.cyburbia.org/forums/showthread.php?t=26338. This is just
one of about 19,700 threads in the Cyburbia Forums, many of which are
about 9-11 and its aftermath.
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Cyburbia (http://www.cyburbia.org), established in 1994, is a urban
planning community and portal site. It is one of the oldest
continuously-operating Web sites related to planning and the built
environment. Cyburbia includes a busy message board, image gallery,
planning and built environment-related blog and news feeds, and a
directory of related web sites.
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| clintonG 2006-09-10, 8:25 pm |
| Yea, there's a trend all right and it is hilarious to look at the old maps
and realize the stupid @ss yuppies are paying $350,000 for restored sh!t
stalls that used to be horse stables and pig sties where pigs used to sh!t
which many of the old buildings in the inner cities were used for. You
should see the look on a trendy faggots face when you tell him and show him
an old map. It is priceless.
You'd think even a turtle neck wearing homo who thinks of himself as
intelligent would have wondered why his "new" digs were empty for so long
but since they like the smell of sh!t I can see how the two facts fit
together.
<%= Clinton Gallagher
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
MAP 43°2'17"N 88°2'37"W : 43°2'17"N 88°2'37"W
"cyburbia.org" <cyburbia.update@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1157838451.572095.215840@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Cyburbia Planning Community Update 1: 9 September 2005
>
> This is the first time we at Cyburbia (http://www.cyburbia.org) have
> sent out an update describing what's new on the site. We have been
> reluctant to send out such updates in the past, not wanting to add more
> clutter to busy listservs and crowded email boxes. However, after
> seeing advisories sent out in a similar manner for other
> planning-related sites, we decided to take the plunge.
>
> CYBURBIA VOICES: MAKING THE CONNECTION BETWEEN HGTV AND DOWNTOWN
> REVITALIZATION
>
> In our first Voices article, Michael Stumpf, AICP, CEcD, describes how
> a convergence of renewed interest in the central city, attractive
> retail rents, and the popularity of do-it-yourself home improvement and
> interior decorating could result in America's downtowns becoming
> tomorrow's hot "furniture row."
>
> You can read "Making the Connection Between HGTV and Downtown
> Revitalization" at http://www.cyburbia.org/node/291 or
> http://www.cyburbia.org/voices/opin...the_connection. To
> comment and discuss the article with the author, register to become a
> Cyburbia Forums member at http://www.cyburbia.org/forums/register.php.
>
> CYBURBIA FORUMS: REMEMBERING 9-11
>
> On Monday, it will have been five years after the World Trade Center
> disappeared from the New York skyline, taking with it 2,752 lives.
> Planners and other Cyburbia Forums members are discussing the
> perspective of that day, as it relates to their proximity to NYC, at
> http://www.cyburbia.org/forums/showthread.php?t=26338. This is just
> one of about 19,700 threads in the Cyburbia Forums, many of which are
> about 9-11 and its aftermath.
>
>
> ----------
> Cyburbia (http://www.cyburbia.org), established in 1994, is a urban
> planning community and portal site. It is one of the oldest
> continuously-operating Web sites related to planning and the built
> environment. Cyburbia includes a busy message board, image gallery,
> planning and built environment-related blog and news feeds, and a
> directory of related web sites.
>
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| Kris Krieger 2006-09-11, 1:25 pm |
| "clintonG" <csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote in
news:p41Ng.296$vW4.51@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com:
> Yea, there's a trend all right and it is hilarious to look at the old
> maps and realize the stupid @ss yuppies are paying $350,000 for
> restored sh!t stalls that used to be horse stables and pig sties where
> pigs used to sh!t which many of the old buildings in the inner cities
> were used for. You should see the look on a trendy faggots face when
> you tell him and show him an old map. It is priceless.
>
> You'd think even a turtle neck wearing homo who thinks of himself as
> intelligent would have wondered why his "new" digs were empty for so
> long but since they like the smell of sh!t I can see how the two facts
> fit together.
So it's only "faggots and homos" who are restoring and repurposing old
buildings? And your oh-so enlightened solution would be...? Never
mind, it's a rhetorical question. And you obviously have no idea how
stupid your statement makes you sound. I'd thought you were more
intelligent than that. My mistake.
>
> <%= Clinton Gallagher
> NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
> URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
> MAP 43°2'17"N 88°2'37"W : 43°2'17"N 88°2'37"W
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>
>
> "cyburbia.org" <cyburbia.update@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-09-11, 1:25 pm |
|
Kris Krieger wrote:
> "clintonG" <csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote in
> news:p41Ng.296$vW4.51@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com:
>
>
> So it's only "faggots and homos" who are restoring and repurposing old
> buildings? And your oh-so enlightened solution would be...? Never
> mind, it's a rhetorical question. And you obviously have no idea how
> stupid your statement makes you sound. I'd thought you were more
> intelligent than that. My mistake.
Clinton sounds dumb but those properties
(x-pig sties, horse stables) can be described
as "pre-fertilized". Man you could grow some
serious flowers there.
Down the road are farms and a light scent of
manuere is common, I'll put on an old turtle-
neck and see if it smells better. I thought
tuttle-necks were fashionable, back in the 70's,
but maybe that's why I was pinched so often???
Ken
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| clintonG 2006-09-11, 1:25 pm |
| You can think of me whatever you want but to me there's nothing more
hilarious than a stereotypical flaming fag in a turtleneck bragging about
his "new" $350,000 mortgage for a condo that used to be a sh!t stall for a
horse or a pig.
<%= Clinton Gallagher
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
MAP 43°2'17"N 88°2'37"W : 43°2'17"N 88°2'37"W
"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
news:1157993708.621603.306570@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Kris Krieger wrote:
>
> Clinton sounds dumb but those properties
> (x-pig sties, horse stables) can be described
> as "pre-fertilized". Man you could grow some
> serious flowers there.
> Down the road are farms and a light scent of
> manuere is common, I'll put on an old turtle-
> neck and see if it smells better. I thought
> tuttle-necks were fashionable, back in the 70's,
> but maybe that's why I was pinched so often???
> Ken
>
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-09-11, 1:25 pm |
|
clintonG wrote:
> You can think of me whatever you want but to me there's nothing more
> hilarious
oh yeah...
> than a stereotypical flaming fag in a turtleneck bragging about
> his "new" $350,000 mortgage
TWO "stereotypical flaming fags in turtlenecks" bragging about
they're "new" $700,000 mortgage, is TWICE as hilarious.
Ken
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| clintonG 2006-09-11, 5:43 pm |
| ROFL
<%= Clinton Gallagher.
"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
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>
> clintonG wrote:
>
> oh yeah...
>
>
> TWO "stereotypical flaming fags in turtlenecks" bragging about
> they're "new" $700,000 mortgage, is TWICE as hilarious.
> Ken
>
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Man you could grow some serious flowers there.
Afterall,
Its only a Weed,
That turns into a flower,
In your mind.
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| "clintonG"> wrote
> You'd think even a turtle neck wearing homo
LOL
I wanna party with this dood!
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> clintonG wrote:
>
> TWO "stereotypical flaming fags in turtlenecks" bragging about
> they're "new" $700,000 mortgage, is TWICE as hilarious.
Don't forget that necessary track lighting.
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| Kris Krieger 2006-09-12, 1:25 pm |
| "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in
news:1157993708.621603.306570@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
> Kris Krieger wrote:
>
> Clinton sounds dumb but those properties
> (x-pig sties, horse stables) can be described
> as "pre-fertilized". Man you could grow some
> serious flowers there.
I guess my take on it is - so what? The places get pretty much gutted
before they're redone inside. If not, then it's up to people to check
what sort of cleanup and sealing has been done.
I'm all for discussions of the pros and cons of "re-purposing" old
buildings, and IMO that could be quite interesting - hack, I wouldn't
even mind if he just wanted to say how much he hated stinky old
buildings. A good tirade can sometimes even spur discussion, or at
least be funny ;) The problem is that his vitriol was neither a
discussion, nor even a valid complaint - it was evidently nothing more
than an excuse to childishly use as many cusswords as possible and
express his personal hatreds/prejudices against certain poeple.
> Down the road are farms and a light scent of
> manuere is common, I'll put on an old turtle-
> neck and see if it smells better.
Hay, there ya go!
I never thought about that one. I wonder whether it also works on other
unpleasant smells ;)
> I thought
> tuttle-necks were fashionable, back in the 70's,
> but maybe that's why I was pinched so often???
> Ken
>
Hmmm, and it makes me wonder about the *women* who wear turtlenecks...
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-09-12, 1:25 pm |
|
Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> Don't forget that necessary track lighting.
Thanks sweetie ;-), I'm on the phone getting
extra pink and purple bulbs! Will post pixxx.
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| Kris Krieger 2006-09-12, 1:25 pm |
| "clintonG" <csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote in
news:k0hNg.6505$Wh.4716@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com:
> You can think of me whatever you want
Assuming I actually *think* about you at all...
> but to me there's nothing more
> hilarious than a stereotypical flaming fag in a turtleneck bragging
> about his "new" $350,000 mortgage for a condo that used to be a sh!t
> stall for a horse or a pig.
Hmmmm. It's well-known that, when people obsess, it's not-infrequently
over things that they secretly like, or want to have, or want to be, but
feel socially pressured to deny and/or denegrate.
So IMO, it's far more hilarious to think about how obsessed with them you
seem to be ;)
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-09-12, 1:25 pm |
|
Kris Krieger wrote:
> "clintonG" <csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote in
> news:k0hNg.6505$Wh.4716@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com:
>
>
> Assuming I actually *think* about you at all...
>
>
> Hmmmm. It's well-known that, when people obsess, it's not-infrequently
> over things that they secretly like, or want to have, or want to be, but
> feel socially pressured to deny and/or denegrate.
>
> So IMO, it's far more hilarious to think about how obsessed with them you
> seem to be ;)
Is he/she "bragging or complaining?".
We were invited to a Halloween party so we
decide to deck out in langerie, I thought eye-lash
highliter went on your eye-brows, so I ended up
looking like Dracula in Drag. Anyway to the party
and there's a really nice looking chic sitting on a
couch alone, so I stir up a conversation. Well
after a bit, people are giving me snickers, turned
out to be a guy, and it was that kind of party that
he could prove it and did...he was classy.
Ken
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-09-12, 1:25 pm |
|
Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> Afterall,
> Its only a Weed,
> That turns into a flower,
> In your mind.
I think I've just been Zappa'd.
Say Don, [don], when are we gonna see some
pix of the new shop-office, hows it going?
Ken
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| Kris Krieger 2006-09-12, 1:25 pm |
| "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in
news:1158076342.697592.320880@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:
>
> Kris Krieger wrote:
>
> Is he/she
or it...?
> "bragging or complaining?".
Heh ;)
> We were invited to a Halloween party so we
> decide to deck out in langerie, I thought eye-lash
> highliter went on your eye-brows, so I ended up
> looking like Dracula in Drag. Anyway to the party
> and there's a really nice looking chic sitting on a
> couch alone, so I stir up a conversation. Well
> after a bit, people are giving me snickers, turned
> out to be a guy, and it was that kind of party that
> he could prove it and did...he was classy.
> Ken
Heh. Halloween is, IMO in large part, a designated day when people can
freely put on a mask - so as to be free of personal and/or social masks
just for the plain old fun of tweaking the proverbial nose on the
supposedly "perfect" ;p face of society ;) Revelation through hiding.
Kind of an interesting phemomenon, really. Almost like a weird Western
version of Noh plays, where the details of the mask or makeup, and not
the natural face of the actor, represent characters.
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| Cloddillod 2006-09-13, 3:25 am |
|
Don wrote:
> "clintonG"> wrote
>
> LOL
>
> I wanna party with this dood!
Canned response. ;)
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|
| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> I think I've just been Zappa'd.
> Say Don, [don], when are we gonna see some
> pix of the new shop-office, hows it going?
> Ken
Thats from a 70's blacklight poster, dood.
Well, I have a positive outlook on the building finally.
I have verbal commitments from the 2 guys that are gonna do the excavating
and concrete/masonry work.
I will get the building permit tomorrow.
Get this, they told me today that the permit will cost $25 and will take
about 5 minutes.
I almost get giddy over stuff like that.
So.....hopefully next week there'll be some activity around here.
My brother is slated to be here on the 22nd to help out.
Day 1: all exterior walls, built, plumbed, anchored.
Day 2: install trusses, gables & soffits, sheath.
Day 3: felt & shingles. shwew....
Day 4: install windows & doors & 2 OHD's.
Day 5: tyvek & sheath exterior walls
Day 5: rough electrical & plumbing
Day 6: vinyl siding, fascia, vent. soffit
Day 7: ceiling & wall insulation
Thats my miracle schedule.
In reality Day 7 will be next summer...and I'll be working alone.........
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-09-13, 9:25 am |
|
Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
[color=darkred]
> Well, I have a positive outlook on the building finally.
> I have verbal commitments from the 2 guys that are gonna do the excavating
> and concrete/masonry work.
> I will get the building permit tomorrow.
> Get this, they told me today that the permit will cost $25 and will take
> about 5 minutes.
> I almost get giddy over stuff like that.
>
> So.....hopefully next week there'll be some activity around here.
> My brother is slated to be here on the 22nd to help out.
> Day 1: all exterior walls, built, plumbed, anchored.
> Day 2: install trusses, gables & soffits, sheath.
> Day 3: felt & shingles. shwew....
> Day 4: install windows & doors & 2 OHD's.
> Day 5: tyvek & sheath exterior walls
> Day 5: rough electrical & plumbing
> Day 6: vinyl siding, fascia, vent. soffit
> Day 7: ceiling & wall insulation
>
> Thats my miracle schedule.
> In reality Day 7 will be next summer...and I'll be working alone.........
We've been lucky weather-wise this season.
October can be iffy, either a sunny 70 or a wet 50.
November can be surprisingly nice, but hopefully
you'll be shelled and insulated by then.
We customized most of our interior, that eats
time, on average I find the interior takes 80%,
shell 20%. Things like power and panels, plumbing
and water source, and septic connection need alot
of study, telephone, cable, antenna...
Ken
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| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> Thats from a 70's blacklight poster, dood.
>
> Well, I have a positive outlook on the building finally.
> I have verbal commitments from the 2 guys that are gonna do the excavating
> and concrete/masonry work.
> I will get the building permit tomorrow.
> Get this, they told me today that the permit will cost $25 and will take
> about 5 minutes.
> I almost get giddy over stuff like that.
So there are some benefits to living in the boonies after all ;-)
--
Edgar
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
>
> We've been lucky weather-wise this season.
> October can be iffy, either a sunny 70 or a wet 50.
> November can be surprisingly nice, but hopefully
> you'll be shelled and insulated by then.
> We customized most of our interior, that eats
> time, on average I find the interior takes 80%,
> shell 20%. Things like power and panels, plumbing
> and water source, and septic connection need alot
> of study, telephone, cable, antenna...
Got the permit today, and it was just like they told me.
Handed them the paper, the coins, and 5 mins later, right out the door.
Get this, I inquired about a business license and was told. 'You don't need
one here.'
(in FL I was required to have 3!)
What a country!
Why can't the rest of the civilized world be like this?
Small, inexpensive gov't with employees that act like they work for YOU.
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"Edgar" <ecamacho4_nospam@nospam_hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
> news:ee81ph02snd@news3.newsguy.com...
>
>
> So there are some benefits to living in the boonies after all ;-)
It took 1/2 a century of wading through the vilest shit in the world but I
have finally found a place that prefers free human beings rather than
automatrons.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-09-14, 9:25 am |
|
Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> Got the permit today, and it was just like they told me.
> Handed them the paper, the coins, and 5 mins later, right out the door.
>
> Get this, I inquired about a business license and was told. 'You don't need
> one here.'
> (in FL I was required to have 3!)
> What a country!
> Why can't the rest of the civilized world be like this?
> Small, inexpensive gov't with employees that act like they work for YOU.
It sounds business friendly,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana
Now you need to find your dang hammer.
Cheers.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-09-14, 9:25 am |
|
Don wrote:
> "Edgar" <ecamacho4_nospam@nospam_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:45082bba$0$19607$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
....
[color=darkred]
With internet, email and cell there is no such thing
as boonies, we do business across North America,
electronically, it's revolutionary, but we need to go
30 miles to mail a parcel!
[color=darkred]
> It took 1/2 a century of wading through the vilest shit in the world but I
> have finally found a place that prefers free human beings rather than
> automatrons.
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| clintonG 2006-09-14, 1:25 pm |
| You think you have found freedom? Where? This is required viewing
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...deoid=935607276
--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
MAP 43°2'17"N 88°2'37"W : 43°2'17"N 88°2'37"W
"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Edgar" <ecamacho4_nospam@nospam_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:45082bba$0$19607$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>
> It took 1/2 a century of wading through the vilest shit in the world but I
> have finally found a place that prefers free human beings rather than
> automatrons.
>
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| Kris Krieger 2006-09-14, 1:25 pm |
| "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in
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>
> Don wrote:
> ...
>
>
> With internet, email and cell there is no such thing
> as boonies, we do business across North America,
> electronically, it's revolutionary, but we need to go
> 30 miles to mail a parcel!
That's part of the fun of things now. Pretty much anything can be
shopped for, purchased, and shipped without having to trudge out. It's
not uncommon to find things online that are less expensive, even with
the shipping, especially if one doesn't have to pay sales tax ;) Also,
you don't have to go from store to store trying to find what you want -
it's a PITA when you call and are told something is sold somewhere, and
then you get there and, guess what, they don't have that model or they
thought you'd meant a different model or some other such idiocy. Also,
since local stores only stock selections that sell best in that
immediate area, you either drive some distance, or you settle for what
the localized taste dictates. No such problem online.
Services also benefit from this, and small business. It also helps them
cut costs if they don't have to pay rent for a physical storefront (and
worry it's in a bad location), and don't necessarily have to have
employees commute. And if you don't have to commute, your auto
insurance rates are lower.
The main problem is medical care, if you're someone who doesn't have
great health. Re: fire - personally, living in cluster-housing, your
greatest fire risk is that the idiot next door will smoke in bed, forget
there is a pan with oil heating on the stove, and other such dipwitted
nonsense, and *you'll* end up getting burned out. And then you also
have to put up with all the other BS. So it's difficult to say whether
the existence of a fire department is worth the increased risks and the
increased level of noise, abuse of you property by others, crime rate,
and so on.
>
>
Gee, that's almost a little...scary...
<g!>
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-09-14, 1:25 pm |
|
Kris Krieger wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in
> news:1158223953.453422.72850@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:
>
>
> That's part of the fun of things now. Pretty much anything can be
> shopped for, purchased, and shipped without having to trudge out. It's
> not uncommon to find things online that are less expensive, even with
> the shipping, especially if one doesn't have to pay sales tax ;) Also,
> you don't have to go from store to store trying to find what you want -
> it's a PITA when you call and are told something is sold somewhere, and
> then you get there and, guess what, they don't have that model or they
> thought you'd meant a different model or some other such idiocy. Also,
> since local stores only stock selections that sell best in that
> immediate area, you either drive some distance, or you settle for what
> the localized taste dictates. No such problem online.
>
> Services also benefit from this, and small business. It also helps them
> cut costs if they don't have to pay rent for a physical storefront (and
> worry it's in a bad location), and don't necessarily have to have
> employees commute. And if you don't have to commute, your auto
> insurance rates are lower.
Yes for all it's alleged faults the net is a serious
productivity improver. If someone valued the net
in the $billions and possibly soon $trillions, I'd
think that's fair, like to see some figures on that.
> The main problem is medical care, if you're someone who doesn't have
> great health. Re: fire - personally, living in cluster-housing, your
> greatest fire risk is that the idiot next door will smoke in bed, forget
> there is a pan with oil heating on the stove, and other such dipwitted
> nonsense, and *you'll* end up getting burned out. And then you also
> have to put up with all the other BS. So it's difficult to say whether
> the existence of a fire department is worth the increased risks and the
> increased level of noise, abuse of you property by others, crime rate,
> and so on.
I have a worry list I review periodically...
..........hmmmmm.........
ok I'm finished, tomorrow I'll worry about
procrastinating.
>
> Gee, that's almost a little...scary...
> <g!>
It's even scarier if the automatrons were replaced
by Don clones, Indiana would be over-populated!
Ken
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