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| Warm Worm 2006-09-18, 3:26 am |
| Hey guys... Would any of you know why there is a hole in an oven, often
found just below one of the stovetop cooking elements? Might it be to
moderate the heat, and if so, would it be prudent to plug it up to save
energy?
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| "Warm Worm"> wrote
> Hey guys... Would any of you know why there is a hole in an oven, often
> found just below one of the stovetop cooking elements? Might it be to
> moderate the heat, and if so, would it be prudent to plug it up to save
> energy?
Must be some kind of vent, cause hot air comes out of it.
On the coil type burners its usually under one of the rear burners.
We have a GE glass top stove and the vent is on the front of the little wall
between the surface of the stove and the knobs.
I don't know why the vent is necessary but blocking it is prolly not a good
idea.
What, are you wanting to cook your Hungryman dinner 2 minutes faster? heh
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| RicodJour 2006-09-18, 9:26 am |
| Warm Worm wrote:
> Hey guys... Would any of you know why there is a hole in an oven, often
> found just below one of the stovetop cooking elements? Might it be to
> moderate the heat, and if so, would it be prudent to plug it up to save
> energy?
Because the manufacturer's design engineers felt it was necessary.
No.
R
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| Warm Worm 2006-09-18, 9:26 am |
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"Don" wrote
> "Warm Worm"> wrote
>
> Must be some kind of vent, cause hot air comes out of it.
> On the coil type burners its usually under one of the rear burners.
> We have a GE glass top stove and the vent is on the front of the little
> wall between the surface of the stove and the knobs.
> I don't know why the vent is necessary but blocking it is prolly not a
> good idea.
Hm, well thanks for the input. Maybe we'll get some more.
Incidentally, I'm back in Canada from China. Where I was and where I passed
by and visited was, or appeared, a mess. And I thought developer tract
housing in North America was bad...
China seems a mess in general, and I might occasionally briefly talk about
it on here.
I also just viewed a documentary on the country that confirmed a few things.
Border security personel turned my luggage inside out upon my arrival, too,
BTW, and fired up my laptop, to boot, looking for kiddie porn, among other
things presumably.
There was a somewhat heated exchange at some points, too, leading the
tatooed guy to taking my laptop elsewhere.
There was also a brief time where my right to protect the integrity of the
tools of my trade from clumsy inspections almost clashed with their right to
inspect.
I remain less convinced that some guards are that far above child
pornographers.
> What, are you wanting to cook your Hungryman dinner 2 minutes faster? heh
Hungryman dinner, ay? It's been awhile... Should I pick one up for fun?
Actually, I bake quite a bit, so was just wondering. I once blocked it
during a bake but forgot to notice if there was any difference.
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| Warm Worm 2006-09-18, 9:26 am |
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"RicodJour" wrote
> Warm Worm wrote:
>
> Because the manufacturer's design engineers felt it was necessary.
> No.
Thanks.
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| Kris Krieger 2006-09-18, 1:25 pm |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
news:eem2n00tdk@news4.newsguy.com:
> "Warm Worm"> wrote
>
> Must be some kind of vent, cause hot air comes out of it.
> On the coil type burners its usually under one of the rear burners.
> We have a GE glass top stove and the vent is on the front of the
> little wall between the surface of the stove and the knobs.
> I don't know why the vent is necessary but blocking it is prolly not a
> good idea.
> What, are you wanting to cook your Hungryman dinner 2 minutes faster?
> heh
>
As far as I know, all stoves have a vent of some sort to keep the oven from
overheating. Blocking that vent would be at best unwise...
The manual we got woth our recent GE Profile cooktop mentions that there is
also a fan which runs even after the oven has been turned off, the purpose
being to cool the electronics.
Actually, if you have to use the oven and one or more burners, using the
burner over the vent is more efficient. It's also good for melting butter
- don't have to turn the burner on, just use the waste-heat. If you want
to boil pasta or something similar while using the oven, the vented heat
also gives those things an added "boost".
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| "Warm Worm" <warm@worm.ca> wrote in message
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> "Don" wrote
>
> Hm, well thanks for the input. Maybe we'll get some more.
>
> Incidentally, I'm back in Canada from China. Where I was and where I
> passed by and visited was, or appeared, a mess. And I thought developer
> tract housing in North America was bad...
>
> China seems a mess in general, and I might occasionally briefly talk about
> it on here.
> I also just viewed a documentary on the country that confirmed a few
> things.
>
> Border security personel turned my luggage inside out upon my arrival,
> too, BTW, and fired up my laptop, to boot, looking for kiddie porn, among
> other things presumably.
> There was a somewhat heated exchange at some points, too, leading the
> tatooed guy to taking my laptop elsewhere.
> There was also a brief time where my right to protect the integrity of the
> tools of my trade from clumsy inspections almost clashed with their right
> to inspect.
>
> I remain less convinced that some guards are that far above child
> pornographers.
>
>
> Hungryman dinner, ay? It's been awhile... Should I pick one up for fun?
>
> Actually, I bake quite a bit, so was just wondering. I once blocked it
> during a bake but forgot to notice if there was any difference.
Hungrymen should be called Severely Obese men with nothing better to eat.
Last time I looked their calories were up into the quadruple digits.
Now I have to wonder, what does kiddie porn have to do with the terrorist
threat (of which for the purposes of this discussion, I will give in to).
How did it go from looking for explosives to looking for kiddie porn. THey
shouldn't be looking for anything in there, except possibly bomb blueprints.
Is the evidence even admissable since it has nothing to do with what they
are supposed to be searching for?
--
Edgar
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-09-18, 1:25 pm |
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Kris Krieger wrote:
> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
> news:eem2n00tdk@news4.newsguy.com:
>
>
> As far as I know, all stoves have a vent of some sort to keep the oven from
> overheating. Blocking that vent would be at best unwise...
>
> The manual we got woth our recent GE Profile cooktop mentions that there is
> also a fan which runs even after the oven has been turned off, the purpose
> being to cool the electronics.
>
>
> Actually, if you have to use the oven and one or more burners, using the
> burner over the vent is more efficient. It's also good for melting butter
> - don't have to turn the burner on, just use the waste-heat. If you want
> to boil pasta or something similar while using the oven, the vented heat
> also gives those things an added "boost".
My *guesses* are, when a cold oven is heating
the expanding air needs to escape aside from
around the door, which might heat the door to
uncomfortable levels. Secondly once heated
some air is drawn in from the door seal keeping
it a bit cool if it leaks. Most oven door seals
are metal to metal and certainly aren't air-tight.
Ovens also have gaps where the heating elements
connect, usually through the back, to 240V wire,
which is insulated with a plastic that has a
temperature rating, so you need to avoid letting
hot air exit through those cracks too.
Better not plug it unless you intend to do that
experimentally.
Ken
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Warm Worm wrote:
> Hey guys... Would any of you know why there is a hole in an oven, often
> found just below one of the stovetop cooking elements? Might it be to
> moderate the heat, and if so, would it be prudent to plug it up to save
> energy?
It's to let out the smoke so the smoke-detector goes off so you know
dinner is done. Duh.
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| "Edgar"> wrote
> Hungrymen should be called Severely Obese men with nothing better to eat.
> Last time I looked their calories were up into the quadruple digits.
Caloric content is completely irrelevent, except for couch potatoes (CP).
CP's have to watch every single calorie, fat content, carbs, and on and on
and on.
What a PITA that must be, especially when you consider the solution is so
easy and readily available.
> Now I have to wonder, what does kiddie porn have to do with the terrorist
> threat (of which for the purposes of this discussion, I will give in to).
> How did it go from looking for explosives to looking for kiddie porn.
> THey shouldn't be looking for anything in there, except possibly bomb
> blueprints. Is the evidence even admissable since it has nothing to do
> with what they are supposed to be searching for?
You're a smart dood Edgar, though young.
Its been more than apparent what the larger picture is, and one doesn't have
to go back very far for historical reference as to whats *really* going on
with all this terrorist threat silliness.
Of course kiddie porn has nothing to do with terrorism and terrorizing
innocent citizens has nothing to do with either.
Its all about *control*.
A pet owner can't have an irreverent dog running loose, it must be chained.
Likewise, a gov't can't have citizens running around cracking whips and
being vigilant.
Both the dog and the citizen must be kept caged at all times.
15 years ago I learned immediately that the IRS is not about collecting
money but rather, wrecking lives and families.
I mean, what would you call it is the IRS called your wife at work and asked
her if she was still married to her loser husband, and told her, 'What kind
of woman would stay with a man that had not paid his taxes?'
The IRS is not about money, but control.
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Most oven door seals
> are metal to metal and certainly aren't air-tight.
Ours has what appears to be some sort of heatproof braided thing that acts
like a seal.
It goes around the whole door and is slightly frayed at the ends.
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| "Kris Krieger"> wrote
> Actually, if you have to use the oven and one or more burners, using the
> burner over the vent is more efficient. It's also good for melting butter
> - don't have to turn the burner on, just use the waste-heat.
I've done that on an old coil burner we had.
Can't do it with the current glasstop style.
Our stove has a 5th *burner*, in the center-rear, that is called a Warmer
because it doesn't get real hot, just enough to keep stuff warm.
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| Warm Worm 2006-09-19, 3:25 am |
|
"Edgar"
> "Warm Worm"
>
> Hungrymen should be called Severely Obese men with nothing better to eat.
> Last time I looked their calories were up into the quadruple digits.
>
> Now I have to wonder, what does kiddie porn have to do with the terrorist
> threat (of which for the purposes of this discussion, I will give in to).
> How did it go from looking for explosives to looking for kiddie porn.
> THey shouldn't be looking for anything in there, except possibly bomb
> blueprints. Is the evidence even admissable since it has nothing to do
> with what they are supposed to be searching for?
Fair questions... I'm talking about Canada customs, and what one of the
guards mentioned as being checked for. Legally, I suppose they could *look*
for something specific, but *find* whatever they wanted to.
That being said, I should propose an open source project that would
automatically track and record a searcher's activity-- cursor-path-by-path,
mouse-click-by-click, and length-of-time a file was left opened-- and then
save to an encrypted, hidden file.
Fortunately for me, I uploaded all my kiddie-porn, bomb-blueprints,
drug-lord and Taliban correspondence beforehand while I was still in China
and then selectively-nuked my drive.
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| Warm Worm 2006-09-19, 3:25 am |
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"Pat"
>
> Warm Worm wrote:
>
> It's to let out the smoke so the smoke-detector goes off so you know
> dinner is done. Duh.
>
Oh ya that's right...
We used to have one so sensitive that it went off *before* the meal was
properly cooked.
Naturally, we exchanged it for a better one, rated for a 10 pound turkey--
with stuffing!
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| Kris Krieger 2006-09-19, 5:25 pm |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
news:een5a702q9f@news4.newsguy.com:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> Ours has what appears to be some sort of heatproof braided thing that
> acts like a seal.
> It goes around the whole door and is slightly frayed at the ends.
>
>
That sounds like most of what I've seen (not that I've seen everything, of
course). I think the main point is that it certainly isn't air-tight.
Just a guess but maybe it's possible that an air-tight oven might "flash"
if it overheated burned organic matter (the opening of the door might <??>
inject oxygen to the superheated stuff, similar <???> to how backgflash
occurs in a room <???> )
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| Kris Krieger 2006-09-19, 5:25 pm |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
news:een56j02q13@news4.newsguy.com:
> "Kris Krieger"> wrote
>
> I've done that on an old coil burner we had.
> Can't do it with the current glasstop style.
> Our stove has a 5th *burner*, in the center-rear, that is called a
> Warmer because it doesn't get real hot, just enough to keep stuff
> warm.
>
oooh, you got the fancy one <g!> We just have 4 burners. Tho' I do like
the n=one that has a "double ring" so you can also get very large pots
evenly-heated across the whole bottom. I use that one a lot. THe "griddle
burner" is interesting - three is a sort-of burner (that doesn't work
independently as far as I know) that connects the 2 left-side burners, so
taht you can lay a large griddle on the stove and have that whole surface
also heat evenly. I don't have a griddle pan, just a separate electric
griddle, so I don't yet know how well it works.
Our warmer doubles as a microwave <g!>
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-09-19, 5:25 pm |
|
Kris Krieger wrote:
> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
> news:een5a702q9f@news4.newsguy.com:
>
>
> That sounds like most of what I've seen (not that I've seen everything, of
> course). I think the main point is that it certainly isn't air-tight.
>
> Just a guess but maybe it's possible that an air-tight oven might "flash"
> if it overheated burned organic matter (the opening of the door might <??>
> inject oxygen to the superheated stuff, similar <???> to how backgflash
> occurs in a room <???> )
Good point, I've seen flash over and it's something
to be avoided, especially if one opens the oven door
admitting O2 and get's that in the face.
Ken
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| Kris Krieger 2006-09-19, 5:25 pm |
| "Edgar" <ecamacho4_nospam@nospam_hotmail.com> wrote in
news:450eb725$0$19703$88260bb3@free.teranews.com:
> "Warm Worm" <warm@worm.ca> wrote in message
> news:eem836$ceb$1@luna.vcn.bc.ca...
>
> Hungrymen should be called Severely Obese men with nothing better to
> eat. Last time I looked their calories were up into the quadruple
> digits.
>
> Now I have to wonder, what does kiddie porn have to do with the
> terrorist threat (of which for the purposes of this discussion, I will
> give in to). How did it go from looking for explosives to looking for
> kiddie porn. THey shouldn't be looking for anything in there, except
> possibly bomb blueprints. Is the evidence even admissable since it has
> nothing to do with what they are supposed to be searching for?
>
I *hope* they were looking for data relevant to terrorist threats. It
might also be that they were looking to see whether any triggering
devices were evident.
(1) unreasonable search and seizure is still unconstitutional;
(2) there is no over-arching "permanent mass warrant", as far as I know,
that permits the searching of files for anything other data that relates
directly to terrorism (and no, saving an article from Al Jazeera, or
even a speech by Bin Laden, does *not* qualify, because it's
unconstitutional to censor information);
(3) according to some people, if you had a digital image of kids
swimming and playing on the beach just because ti reminded you or your
own childhood and of more inocent times and so on, but none of the kids
were your own, the "only reason" you'd have the pic was because it was
"child porn" - scoff if you like, but I've seen some extremes of
interpretation that are just plain *stupid*;
(4) any such search would inevitably be unequal/weighted by unrelated
matters - nobody is perfect and the consequences of accusations are far
too serious to leave matters of interpretation dependent upon someone
who has particularly strong opinions, and/or is ill or otherwise having
a bad day, and/or doesn't like certain people because of their
appearance, nationality, deficiency or abundance of melanin, religion,
or so on.
Now, I will note that *personally* (as in, My Personal Feeling) I find
the posession of KP to be a form of being "an accessory after the fact"
(because the garbage wouldn't be made and distributed so widely if
nobody was buying it), and I feel that the punishments should be more
severe than they are. But that's a separate matter from the above.
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| "Kris Krieger"> wrote
> Now, I will note that *personally* (as in, My Personal Feeling) I find
> the posession of KP to be a form of being "an accessory after the fact"
> (because the garbage wouldn't be made and distributed so widely if
> nobody was buying it), and I feel that the punishments should be more
> severe than they are. But that's a separate matter from the above.
OK, lets look at KP more closely.
What does a pic represent?
An action.
If the possessor of the pic DID NOT take the pic then he cannot be held
accountable for the ACT of the KP.
If he is held acountable then it is wrong.
Further, cruising the web can prduce all sorts of graphics and other types
of files in one's cache folder(s) without ones knowledge of them.
In other words, one can be held accountable for KP without having actual
knowledge that it exists on the machine.
This is what happened to Pete Townsend of the Who a few years ago.
And like you said, the damage occurs when the charge is levied, right or
wrong.
Lastly, is a pic of a nude 17 yo KP?
I believe it is, but I would be hard pressed to tell if person is 17 or 18.
Remember, only 1 day seperates the 2, think, Traci Lords.
The best you can do is stay away from the websites that have anything even
remotely connected to that entire subject matter.
This of course is a form of censorship as it creates barriers, even if they
are simply psychological.
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| "Kris Krieger" <me@dowmuff.in> wrote in message
news:kpXPg.9734$v%4.3802@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
> news:een56j02q13@news4.newsguy.com:
>
>
> oooh, you got the fancy one <g!> We just have 4 burners. Tho' I do like
> the n=one that has a "double ring" so you can also get very large pots
> evenly-heated across the whole bottom. I use that one a lot. THe
> "griddle
> burner" is interesting - three is a sort-of burner (that doesn't work
> independently as far as I know) that connects the 2 left-side burners, so
> taht you can lay a large griddle on the stove and have that whole surface
> also heat evenly. I don't have a griddle pan, just a separate electric
> griddle, so I don't yet know how well it works.
>
> Our warmer doubles as a microwave <g!>
>
>
In our house, it came with a nice stove that has the standard four on each
corner, and in the middle it has an elongated one that takes up the space of
2. I could basically turn them all on and put one huge griddle to cook on,
a la McDonalds, LOL. I haven't used the middle one yet, but it just looks
like a standard one only elongated.
--
Edgar
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| Warm Worm 2006-09-19, 8:25 pm |
|
"Kris Krieger"
> "Edgar"
>
> I *hope* they were looking for data relevant to terrorist threats.
> (1) unreasonable search and seizure is still unconstitutional;
> (2) there is no over-arching "permanent mass warrant", as far as I know,
> that permits the searching of files for anything other data that relates
> directly to terrorism
One of them mentioned to me why (I didn't exactly ask) and child porn was
one of them, but my attention then got sidetracked to the other guy actually
doing the search.
Again, this was in Canada, not America. I would think we have a right to
witness the search, too, to look over their shoulder as it were to see how
and where they're looking. I might look into this when I get the time.
I get skittish real fast when some tatooed "kid" with a questionable
attitude and intelligence is manhandling the tools of my trade and their
files contained thereon.
> (... it's unconstitutional to censor information);
I thought it depended on what kind.
> (3) according to some people, if you had a digital image of kids
> swimming and playing on the beach just because ti reminded you or your
> own childhood and of more inocent times and so on, but none of the kids
> were your own, the "only reason" you'd have the pic was because it was
> "child porn" - scoff if you like, but I've seen some extremes of
> interpretation that are just plain *stupid*;
I think the whole thing craps.
> (4) any such search would inevitably be unequal/weighted by unrelated
> matters - nobody is perfect and the consequences of accusations are far
> too serious to leave matters of interpretation dependent upon someone
> who has particularly strong opinions, and/or is ill or otherwise having
> a bad day, and/or doesn't like certain people because of their
> appearance, nationality, deficiency or abundance of melanin, religion,
> or so on.
We can soapbox it all we want, but, at the end of the day, as you say,
nobody is perfect...
And who chooses to be a border-guard in the first place? Would one of those
who is "perfect" still the wrong one for the job? And what if the job,
itself, is somehow wrong or imperfect?
> Now, I will note that *personally* (as in, My Personal Feeling) I find
> the posession of KP to be a form of being "an accessory after the fact"
> (because the garbage wouldn't be made and distributed so widely if
> nobody was buying it), and I feel that the punishments should be more
> severe than they are. But that's a separate matter from the above.
Do you think the child pornographers are going to get better or go away
after more severe punishment?
As if we all agree on what consitutes porn anyway.
Do we leave its definition to some "god-fearing Christian" politician
lawmaker or its interpretation to some post-pubescent border-guard (who
secretly loves/collects the stuff)?
"There is a strong negative stigma associated with child pornography; most
people don't want to be perceived as defending it. At times, legal
photographs and art have been attacked on the grounds that they might be
child porn. Although the number of such incidents is small, they arguably
have had a chilling effect on legal expression.
In the late 1970s Jacqueline Livingston, a photography professor at Cornell
University, was accused of child pornography. She wrote: 'I was scorned by
my friends, accused of child pornography and fired from my teaching job
after exhibiting photographs of my son, my husband and my father in
law-in-the nude.' (14850 magazine, March 1994)."
-- Wikipedia
Reminds me of an accepted artwork (photo?) that I've tried to find online of
a girl on a bar-stool in what might be a diner, who's leaning forward on the
counter and where the viewer's perspective is about a metre behind her and
somewhat at the level of her butt where her dress is raised (by virtue of it
being a short dress and her leaning forward with arms raised) and panties
exposed. Maybe you're aware of it?
Maybe I'll include it and other "borderline acceptables" on an old laptop I
rarely use on my next foreign trip to see what they make of it. ;)
Anyway...
"Better Not Try Breast-feeding in Texas",
-- Las Vegas Review-Journal (NV), 27 April 2003, at 2j.
Wow this post is almost as long as your typical. ;)
Nuff sed. 
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Ken S. Tucker wrote:
> Kris Krieger wrote:
>
> Good point, I've seen flash over and it's something
> to be avoided, especially if one opens the oven door
> admitting O2 and get's that in the face.
> Ken
I've only been vaguely following this thread, so maybe this has been
said before, but I thought the "chimney" was to keep air moving. If it
didn't have a vent, then the bottom would be hot because of the heating
element and the top would be cooler because the air would be more or
less stagnant and not move enough -- sort of like a tempurature invert
when scuba diving. But by putting in the chimney, it pulls air up and
keeps the heat even.
Of course, this is assuming an electric coven. For a gas oven, it is
needed to get the heat past the broiler and to vent the "fumes".
But what do I know....
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-09-20, 3:25 am |
|
Don wrote:
> "Kris Krieger"> wrote
>
> OK, lets look at KP more closely.
> What does a pic represent?
> An action.
> If the possessor of the pic DID NOT take the pic then he cannot be held
> accountable for the ACT of the KP.
Whoa, a very good EX-friend paid for KP and
served 18 months in jail. He abused currency
to encourage child abuse. I try to be forgiving
but there's no way I could keep him as a friend,
could barely look him in the eye.
Worse, we financed his very successful computer
business and owned all the computers, which
were seized. In ontario it's common for the cops
to resell KP and seized dope etc. through organized
crime connections.
> If he is held acountable then it is wrong.
>
> Further, cruising the web can prduce all sorts of graphics and other types
> of files in one's cache folder(s) without ones knowledge of them.
> In other words, one can be held accountable for KP without having actual
> knowledge that it exists on the machine.
> This is what happened to Pete Townsend of the Who a few years ago.
> And like you said, the damage occurs when the charge is levied, right or
> wrong.
>
> Lastly, is a pic of a nude 17 yo KP?
> I believe it is, but I would be hard pressed to tell if person is 17 or 18.
> Remember, only 1 day seperates the 2, think, Traci Lords.
I dunno, lot's of people have pictures of their
nude babies / children including nudist mags.
Nudity itself is not KP, in fact it's mainly legal
for kids to be nude on public beaches, heck a
2 or 3 yo playing in the water nude is hardly
noticed, except that it's cute to see a kid
havin' fun.
> The best you can do is stay away from the websites that have anything even
> remotely connected to that entire subject matter.
> This of course is a form of censorship as it creates barriers, even if they
> are simply psychological.
Moreover if you find a web-site that shows a
child being abused for the purposes of enter-
tainment, I'd report that to children's aid.
In some societies, today and in the past, it
is/was a custom to arouse children's sexual
developement by active stimulation especially
on males by women to improve virility.
Hey some mom's think nurseying a 5 yo is
good stuff too!
Ken
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| Warm Worm 2006-09-20, 3:25 am |
|
"Ken S. Tucker"
>
> Don wrote:
>
> Whoa, a very good EX-friend paid for KP and
> served 18 months in jail. He abused currency
> to encourage child abuse. I try to be forgiving
> but there's no way I could keep him as a friend,
> could barely look him in the eye.
> Worse, we financed his very successful computer
> business and owned all the computers, which
> were seized. In ontario it's common for the cops
> to resell KP and seized dope etc. through organized
> crime connections.
>
Good point-- and likely anywhere else.
Some friends and I once had the same sex-site link suddenly appear on our
computer desktops.
[color=darkred]
> In some societies, today and in the past, it
> is/was a custom to arouse children's sexual
> developement by active stimulation especially
> on males by women to improve virility.
I started delivering the paper to a number of appartment buildings when I
was 13-- the Montreal Gazette-- and started having fantasies of some of my
single female customers, who were quite hot.
(In fact one did invite me in and show me her bedroom for some odd reason.)
I used to fantasize that, as I came around to collect, one would answer and
be kind of hiding behind the door scantily-clad and tell me to come in
quickly so she wouldn't have to appear in the hall to give me the money...
When I was 15, I had a crush on a 40-something-- Sylvia-- much to the
joking commentary of my friends.
(A friend and I once saw her go into her kitchen completely nude late at
night to get something from the fridge, and when the fridge light came on,
that did it for me.)
So one day, I plotted to knock on her patio door in the evening and tell her
that I had lost my housekeys, and that my parents were away and friends
asleep, and if she could put me up for the night.
The plan was, once I was in and sleeping on her couch or hide-a-bed or
whatever, I'd go over and knock on her bedroom door and tell her I was a
little chilly...
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| Kris Krieger 2006-09-20, 9:25 am |
| "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in
news:1158697742.355898.130810@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
>
> Kris Krieger wrote:
>
> Good point, I've seen flash over and it's something
> to be avoided, especially if one opens the oven door
> admitting O2 and get's that in the face.
> Ken
>
>
I was wondering - thing is that I've been blasted by hot smoke (550
degrees plus having forgotten to clean up splatters/drips from oven-
grilling...) and I've also seen spatters catch on the stove surface. It
doesn't seem a large leap to combine the two with a known phenomenon
(room flashover) - OTOH physics doesn't always do what one might think,
so this is a p[oint of curiosity.
It's intresting when one begins examining and questioning "everyday"
things - there is more engineering, design, and overall thought put into
some things, at least at their inception, than one might tend to
realize. WHich I guess is why programs and books of the "Why things
work" type are popular
| |
| Kris Krieger 2006-09-20, 9:25 am |
| "Pat" <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote in
news:1158715472.068722.183620@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
> Ken S. Tucker wrote:
>
> I've only been vaguely following this thread, so maybe this has been
> said before, but I thought the "chimney" was to keep air moving. If
> it didn't have a vent, then the bottom would be hot because of the
> heating element and the top would be cooler because the air would be
> more or less stagnant and not move enough -- sort of like a
> tempurature invert when scuba diving. But by putting in the chimney,
> it pulls air up and keeps the heat even.
Wouldn't the fan in a convection oven be one way around that, tho'?
Also, hotter air rises, cooler air sinks, so I'm not sure that
circulation would be the mian reason for having a vent...
>
> Of course, this is assuming an electric coven. For a gas oven, it is
> needed to get the heat past the broiler and to vent the "fumes".
>
> But what do I know....
>
>
| |
| Kris Krieger 2006-09-20, 9:25 am |
| "Edgar" <ecamacho4_nospam@nospam_hotmail.com> wrote in
news:451051f7$0$19613$88260bb3@free.teranews.com:
> "Kris Krieger" <me@dowmuff.in> wrote in message
> news:kpXPg.9734$v%4.3802@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> In our house, it came with a nice stove that has the standard four on
> each corner, and in the middle it has an elongated one that takes up
> the space of 2. I could basically turn them all on and put one huge
> griddle to cook on, a la McDonalds, LOL. I haven't used the middle
> one yet, but it just looks like a standard one only elongated.
>
OTOH, McDonalds aside, if you ever had a slew of poeple visiting and had
to make a lot fo breakfasts, that'd certainly simplify the operation.
In a way, it sounds like an interesting idea...
((Now see what you've gone and done, given me *yet another* weird idea
<LOL!> ))
| |
| Kris Krieger 2006-09-20, 1:25 pm |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
news:eepogt02nqf@news2.newsguy.com:
> "Kris Krieger"> wrote
>
> OK, lets look at KP more closely.
> What does a pic represent?
> An action.
> If the possessor of the pic DID NOT take the pic then he cannot be
> held accountable for the ACT of the KP.
> If he is held acountable then it is wrong.
Well, legally, you're correct, but I did specify clearly that those are
my personal feelings/emotions/gut reactions. OTOH I'm not a person who
can exactly be a detatched observer on this issue. If mommie-dearest is
beating the crap outta the 6-year-old, and daddy is playing deaf'n'dumb,
he is as guilty as she for not stopping the abuse. Similarly, if
grandaddy is diddling the grandkids, and both parents pretend nothing is
happening or has happened, same deal, they're just as guilty. If
someone buys a pic of grandaddy diddling the preschoolers, sorry, Don,
but in my opinion, they're an accessory after the fact. In my personal
opinion, it's the same thing as harboring a murderer - aiding and
abetting and so on.
My problem is that some people consider the most innocent pics to be KP
merely because the posessor is childless and especially a male and even
more especially a bachelor. In reality, not everyone on th planet
thinks about nothing other than screwing, and some people simply like
the memories evoked by certain types of images (a.k.a. "art").
>
> Further, cruising the web can prduce all sorts of graphics and other
> types of files in one's cache folder(s) without ones knowledge of
> them. In other words, one can be held accountable for KP without
> having actual knowledge that it exists on the machine.
That's part of the legal issue, and part of why it's so important to
consider the context and circumstances. And really, if one *is* a
pedophile, advertising circulars can serve a function similar to actual
KP.
That's why I separated my opinion (givent that opinions are often based
on emotions/feelings) from what more closely approached legal analysis
(analysis being based upon facts/evidence and the rational organization
thereof).
> This is what happened to Pete Townsend of the Who a few years ago.
> And like you said, the damage occurs when the charge is levied, right
> or wrong.
I don't know about that, but yas, people *do* often jump blindly to
conclusions.
> Lastly, is a pic of a nude 17 yo KP?
> I believe it is, but I would be hard pressed to tell if person is 17
> or 18. Remember, only 1 day seperates the 2, think, Traci Lords.
I thought I'd separated that issue out but I guess I forgot.
When I say KP, tho', I mean obvious sexualization of children.
There is a separate issue regarding the age at which a given
*individual* is capable of consenting to engaging in a sexual
situation. There are situations that are very "touch'n'go" for lack of
a better phrase. But a pic of some jerk (male OR female) diddling a kid
who obviously has not reached puberty, or has obviously just barely
begun puberty, is flat-out KP, no question. Also, some naked-child pics
are obviously innocent, and others are obviously sexualized.
You know me well enough to remember that I see all things as a
continuum, not as clearly-defined opposites. And to some people, a baby
on a proberbial bearskin rug is "KP", whereas the vast majority of
people just think it's cute. But some other things are blatantly
obvious.
Non-obvious cases have to be analysed on an individual-by-individual
basis, by people who can separate their emotions from their intellect.
For example, if a pedophile saves the kid section from the JCPenny
catalogue, is it suddenly "KP" merely because of the person posessing
it, or does *any* person have the right to keep the JCPenny catalogue,
regardless of past actions?
At the same time, the vary facts that I almost always think before I
act, that I have no "feelings" with regard to most of the mundane things
that get normal people jumping up and down, and that I strongly do tend
to separate my feelings from my serious analyses and, in turn, analyse
those feelings, are the very same facts that have earned me "a
diagnosis". IOW my offical nut-case certificate so to speak. So what
does it mean for the law, if it's "sick" to separate mind from heart so
as to attempt a rational analysis of a situation and/or of oneself?
Frankly, it give me the willies...
So personally, yup, analysis is one thing, also, I do believe very
strongly in things like Constitutional Rights and Freedoms - but my
*personal feelings* (and this is one of the few things towards which I
do actually have a strong emotional reaction) is that people who abuse
little kids should be drawn and quartered in the Medieval sense of the
phrase.
Having webbots dump crap on people's computers is not an issue. There
are at least some indicators whether pics have been dunped, or sought
out, but my ethic (which I cling to very stubbornly, and did so even
under threat of imprisonment at one point - a separate and unrelated
long boring story) is based upon the presumption of innocence until
proven guilty. Analogy: 10,000 people can yap at me that "OJ was
guilty", but unless I see the evidence, I don't give a rat's @$$ about
yips'n'yaps. Same thing here. If the mandate is to uncover info
related to terrorist plans for action, IMO that is highly specific and
anything else - *anything* else, even, as I'd posited, articles/film
clips about or by Osama - is or should be ignored by anyone who is
supposed to be operating under that mandate, period.
> The best you can do is stay away from the websites that have anything
> even remotely connected to that entire subject matter.
> This of course is a form of censorship as it creates barriers, even if
> they are simply psychological.
Oh lordy, Don, that is a topic for an entire *thesis*, so don't get me
started, I gotta get some stuff done today <LOL!!> ;)
| |
| Ken S. Tucker 2006-09-20, 1:25 pm |
|
Kris Krieger wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in
> news:1158697742.355898.130810@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
>
>
> I was wondering - thing is that I've been blasted by hot smoke (550
> degrees plus having forgotten to clean up splatters/drips from oven-
> grilling...) and I've also seen spatters catch on the stove surface. It
> doesn't seem a large leap to combine the two with a known phenomenon
> (room flashover) - OTOH physics doesn't always do what one might think,
> so this is a p[oint of curiosity.
Mostly flash-over happens when something
is smoldering, it's a queer phenomena.
The combustible gases get to nearly their
ignition point then any open flame will
ignite the whole volume quicky almost
explosively. We designed a woodstove
where that happened predictably.
> It's intresting when one begins examining and questioning "everyday"
> things - there is more engineering, design, and overall thought put into
> some things, at least at their inception, than one might tend to
> realize. WHich I guess is why programs and books of the "Why things
> work" type are popular
Yeah, many appliances evolved, like standard
washing machines, refrigerators, furnaces etc.
they're all basically the same on the inside.
That's good for servicemen, a dummy like me
can fix my own stuff.
That's benevolent capitalism at work, if it's too
$hard to fix people won't buy it.
What I find irritating is built in obsolescence.
We've found Sear's products to be the best
so far, good quality and a fair price.
I design stuff to last at least 5 years but more
like 10 and have a policy of non-profit service.
Ken
| |
| Ken S. Tucker 2006-09-20, 5:25 pm |
|
Warm Worm wrote:
....
> I started delivering the paper to a number of appartment buildings when I
> was 13-- the Montreal Gazette-- and started having fantasies of some of my
> single female customers, who were quite hot.
> (In fact one did invite me in and show me her bedroom for some odd reason.)
> I used to fantasize that, as I came around to collect, one would answer and
> be kind of hiding behind the door scantily-clad and tell me to come in
> quickly so she wouldn't have to appear in the hall to give me the money...
>
> When I was 15, I had a crush on a 40-something-- Sylvia-- much to the
> joking commentary of my friends.
> (A friend and I once saw her go into her kitchen completely nude late at
> night to get something from the fridge, and when the fridge light came on,
> that did it for me.)
> So one day, I plotted to knock on her patio door in the evening and tell her
> that I had lost my housekeys, and that my parents were away and friends
> asleep, and if she could put me up for the night.
> The plan was, once I was in and sleeping on her couch or hide-a-bed or
> whatever, I'd go over and knock on her bedroom door and tell her I was a
> little chilly...
Ok, I'm hooked, what happened, what happened?!?!?!?
Damn am I slow, now I know why you use the
handle "warm worm"...LOL...ok I get it now.
| |
| Kris Krieger 2006-09-20, 5:25 pm |
| "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in
news:1158771416.962205.183000@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:
[snip]
>
> Mostly flash-over happens when something
> is smoldering, it's a queer phenomena.
> The combustible gases get to nearly their
> ignition point then any open flame will
> ignite the whole volume quicky almost
> explosively. We designed a woodstove
> where that happened predictably.
I'm assuming that the reason for doing so is somehow related to quickly
ignitig the fuel...? I mean, as opposed to being a boobytrap <G!>
Oh, I'd thought that it occurs when a room is superheated but closed
off, so that any introduction of O2 would cause the smoldering materials
to ignite. But it's not surprising if there are multiple conditions.
>
>
> Yeah, many appliances evolved, like standard
> washing machines, refrigerators, furnaces etc.
> they're all basically the same on the inside.
I remember my Grandmother's oldie - it looked a lot like a barrel, and
it just swished the clothes around - then the user had to feed them by
hand through a ringer into a rinse bucket; all the water had to be put
in, and emptied, by hand. She also thought that it did a better job
than the "new-fangled" machines, so she continued to use it for many
years. It seems almost unusably primitive to most people these days,
but my Grandmother said that, when it first came out, it was like a
*miracle* because you didn't have to just stand around kneading the
materials over a scrubboard ;) so you had more time to hang stuff on the
line, get coal into the stove, heat up the iron (i.e., literally a
shaped slab of iron with just a handle on it) on the stove and then have
the stove good and hot to start cooking dinner.
I know, that's a digression but it just amazes me that I'd seen some of
these things used, and can compare that with things like my glass
cooktop. It's fascinating.
> That's good for servicemen, a dummy like me
> can fix my own stuff.
> That's benevolent capitalism at work, if it's too
> $hard to fix people won't buy it.
There is definitely something to be said for things that have basic
operations and functions.
Like my old VW Beetle. Easy. Too bad most apartment and townhouse
places wouldn't allow you to do *anything* to a car on the premises, not
even wash it. But now? Even if I could physically do the work,
everything is so electronicized (?is that even a word?) that I wouldn't
want to fool with *anything* now.
>
> What I find irritating is built in obsolescence.
Ugh, that is beyond irritating - IMO it's theivery.
> We've found Sear's products to be the best
> so far, good quality and a fair price.
Same here. They had a bad spell back, geez, I guess in the late 70's?,
but then they got much better and my experience has been similar to
yours. They're also good about servicing - we had a warranty on our old
Kenmore fridge, and they replaced and filled the coolant tank for free,
even tho' the fridge was already 10 yrs old by that time (it's coming up
to about 16 or 17 by now - only "problem" has been that I've needed to
seal some cracks in the floor, because the weight of the drawer-shelf
support (well, more accurately, the weight of the stuff in the drawers
plus the beer cases on the shelf, through the years...) overstressed the
plastic. But it still makes a great beer/wine and "extra food" fridge.
I'm not a very good consumer <LOL!> When I buy things, I tend to buy
the best I can at that time, and then tend to keep the stuff as long as
possible. Still have the Hitachi TV, as I've mentioned, that I got
around 1983 or so. It still works, still looks OK because it's been
taken care of, so there's no reason to dump it, as far as I'm concerned.
At the same time, when things last well, I do develop a sort of "brand
loyalty". The opposite is also true - if I have a lousy experience with
a product brand, I never buy that brand again, regardless of what the
item was.
> I design stuff to last at least 5 years but more
> like 10 and have a policy of non-profit service.
> Ken
Sounds good to me ;)
| |
| Warm Worm 2006-09-20, 5:25 pm |
|
"Ken S. Tucker"
>
> Warm Worm wrote:
> ...
>
> Ok, I'm hooked, what happened, what happened?!?!?!?
Sigh... I did end up knocking, and she did answer, but there was some sort
of mix-up, as I later found out, so she didn't think to invite me in, even
though she would have. I was that close damn-it! >:|
Years later, I admitted my crush to her while she was working as a server at
a resto. She was flattered and didn't charge me for my drink.
> Damn am I slow, now I know why you use the
> handle "warm worm"...LOL...ok I get it now.
As I've mentioned before a while ago, the nicknames are just my answers to,
and commentary about, the (other) crazy handles used across the net.
The idea of 'Warm Worm' came from someone (a female classmate,
interestingly) once mistaking warm for worm in reading something, which I
found humorous. Phonetically, the two together are kind of funny-sounding
too.
| |
| Ken S. Tucker 2006-09-20, 5:25 pm |
|
Kris Krieger wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in
> news:1158771416.962205.183000@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:
>
> [snip]
>
> I'm assuming that the reason for doing so is somehow related to quickly
> ignitig the fuel...? I mean, as opposed to being a boobytrap <G!>
oops, sorry not booby trapped, it's either
spontaneous combustion or a draft heats
the coals.
> Oh, I'd thought that it occurs when a room is superheated but closed
> off, so that any introduction of O2 would cause the smoldering materials
> to ignite. But it's not surprising if there are multiple conditions.
Yup, that's what I understand.
>
> I remember my Grandmother's oldie - it looked a lot like a barrel, and
> it just swished the clothes around - then the user had to feed them by
> hand through a ringer into a rinse bucket; all the water had to be put
> in, and emptied, by hand. She also thought that it did a better job
> than the "new-fangled" machines, so she continued to use it for many
> years. It seems almost unusably primitive to most people these days,
> but my Grandmother said that, when it first came out, it was like a
> *miracle* because you didn't have to just stand around kneading the
> materials over a scrubboard ;) so you had more time to hang stuff on the
> line, get coal into the stove, heat up the iron (i.e., literally a
> shaped slab of iron with just a handle on it) on the stove and then have
> the stove good and hot to start cooking dinner.
LOL, my Old Girl's daughter (aka air-head) stuck
her arm in the wringers, serious bruising.
> I know, that's a digression but it just amazes me that I'd seen some of
> these things used, and can compare that with things like my glass
> cooktop. It's fascinating.
>
>
>
> There is definitely something to be said for things that have basic
> operations and functions.
>
> Like my old VW Beetle. Easy. Too bad most apartment and townhouse
> places wouldn't allow you to do *anything* to a car on the premises, not
> even wash it. But now? Even if I could physically do the work,
> everything is so electronicized (?is that even a word?) that I wouldn't
> want to fool with *anything* now.
Yeah, I used to lift the hood and twist some
screws on the ole carburetor to purr down idle.
>
> Ugh, that is beyond irritating - IMO it's theivery.
>
>
> Same here. They had a bad spell back, geez, I guess in the late 70's?,
> but then they got much better and my experience has been similar to
> yours. They're also good about servicing - we had a warranty on our old
> Kenmore fridge, and they replaced and filled the coolant tank for free,
> even tho' the fridge was already 10 yrs old by that time (it's coming up
> to about 16 or 17 by now - only "problem" has been that I've needed to
> seal some cracks in the floor, because the weight of the drawer-shelf
> support (well, more accurately, the weight of the stuff in the drawers
> plus the beer cases on the shelf, through the years...) overstressed the
> plastic. But it still makes a great beer/wine and "extra food" fridge.
>
> I'm not a very good consumer <LOL!> When I buy things, I tend to buy
> the best I can at that time, and then tend to keep the stuff as long as
> possible. Still have the Hitachi TV, as I've mentioned, that I got
> around 1983 or so. It still works, still looks OK because it's been
> taken care of, so there's no reason to dump it, as far as I'm concerned.
>
> At the same time, when things last well, I do develop a sort of "brand
> loyalty". The opposite is also true - if I have a lousy experience with
> a product brand, I never buy that brand again, regardless of what the
> item was.
>
>
> Sounds good to me ;)
Profit at the front end, not the rear end.
Ken
| |
| Kris Krieger 2006-09-20, 5:25 pm |
| "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in
news:1158782935.002568.184600@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
> Kris Krieger wrote:
quickly[color=darkred]
>
> oops, sorry not booby trapped, it's either
> spontaneous combustion or a draft heats
> the coals.
I know, I was just being a snot ;)
Actually, it sounds like it could be efficient. Interesting application
of what's usually thought of as being only a disasterous situation.
[snip re: antique wringer-washers)
>
> LOL, my Old Girl's daughter (aka air-head) stuck
> her arm in the wringers, serious bruising.
Good grief! Did she do that deliberately?? Not intending to be rude,
but, I dunno whether it'd be worse if it was deliberate, or worse if it
was clumsiness... But it does make me wonder about the "old days" - I'd
think people would've had to have all their wits (and a good amount of
wits to start with) up and functioning just to survive.
Strange juxtaposition of thoughts - modern conveniences both
contributing to the rise of witlessness, and simultaneously creating
more complex problems. Hmmm....
[ snip ]
wouldn't[color=darkred]
>
> Yeah, I used to lift the hood and twist some
> screws on the ole carburetor to purr down idle.
Yeah. I'm not going to claim I was a mechanic or anything, but it was
good for the ego to even be able to do a few basic things <LOL!>
Now, I'm left with making an appointment, and having to try to mimic the
funny noise the car makes in the situation under question =:-o
I only hope that some alien is getting a lot fo amusement from that!
>
> Profit at the front end, not the rear end.
> Ken
>
At the same time, when your work is reliable, people suggest you to
their friends etc. and otherwise direct new work your way. Other
benefit is not having angry people banging on your door ;)
| |
| Ken S. Tucker 2006-09-20, 5:25 pm |
|
Kris Krieger wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in
> news:1158782935.002568.184600@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
> quickly
>
> I know, I was just being a snot ;)
>
> Actually, it sounds like it could be efficient. Interesting application
> of what's usually thought of as being only a disasterous situation.
>
>
> [snip re: antique wringer-washers)
>
> Good grief! Did she do that deliberately?? Not intending to be rude,
> but, I dunno whether it'd be worse if it was deliberate, or worse if it
> was clumsiness... But it does make me wonder about the "old days" - I'd
> think people would've had to have all their wits (and a good amount of
> wits to start with) up and functioning just to survive.
I can't rationalize an airhead, the same girl has been
hit by cars numerous times, just plain stupid.
> Strange juxtaposition of thoughts - modern conveniences both
> contributing to the rise of witlessness, and simultaneously creating
> more complex problems. Hmmm....
>
>
> [ snip ]
> wouldn't
>
> Yeah. I'm not going to claim I was a mechanic or anything, but it was
> good for the ego to even be able to do a few basic things <LOL!>
>
> Now, I'm left with making an appointment, and having to try to mimic the
> funny noise the car makes in the situation under question =:-o
>
> I only hope that some alien is getting a lot fo amusement from that!
>
>
> At the same time, when your work is reliable, people suggest you to
> their friends etc. and otherwise direct new work your way. Other
> benefit is not having angry people banging on your door ;)
Yup, we get alot of referal work, and we also
make sure our customers know how to contact
us.
Ken
| |
| Kris Krieger 2006-09-21, 1:25 pm |
| "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in
news:1158788969.774243.180220@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
> Kris Krieger wrote:
[snip]
>
> I can't rationalize an airhead, the same girl has been
> hit by cars numerous times, just plain stupid.
How many kids does she have...?
[snip again][color=darkred]
>
> Yup, we get alot of referal work, and we also
> make sure our customers know how to contact
> us.
> Ken
>
That's always a good idea <g!>
I'm getting to where I increasingly shop online. Too often, you drive out
to a place, only to find that they up and decided to close an hour early,
or went out of business 3 days ago, or don't have the item they said they
have, or aren't even located where they say they are, or the ad picture of
the item is completely deceptive and it's actually a cheap piece of junk,
or etc., or so on, or so forth. And then people wonder why so many small
businesses fail.
A good product, honest advertising, a fair price, good workmanship, and
having a stable and consistent contact method seem to be increasingly
rare...
| |
| Ken S. Tucker 2006-09-22, 1:25 pm |
|
Kris Krieger wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in
> news:1158788969.774243.180220@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
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> [snip]
>
> How many kids does she have...?
Don't know.
> [snip again]
>
> That's always a good idea <g!>
>
> I'm getting to where I increasingly shop online. Too often, you drive out
> to a place, only to find that they up and decided to close an hour early,
> or went out of business 3 days ago, or don't have the item they said they
> have, or aren't even located where they say they are, or the ad picture of
> the item is completely deceptive and it's actually a cheap piece of junk,
> or etc., or so on, or so forth. And then people wonder why so many small
> businesses fail.
>
> A good product, honest advertising, a fair price, good workmanship, and
> having a stable and consistent contact method seem to be increasingly
> rare...
Funny, just the other day a customer who
had been using our product for a few years
emailed and placed an order for another one
to give to her parents, we also get people
wanting a 2nd unit to go stereo.
An EAR is an acronym for Exterior Audio Receiver.
http://earco.travisktucker.com/
Ken
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| Kris Krieger 2006-09-24, 5:25 pm |
| "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in
news:1158948070.261652.235260@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
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> Kris Krieger wrote:
[snip]
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> Funny, just the other day a customer who
> had been using our product for a few years
> emailed and placed an order for another one
> to give to her parents, we also get people
> wanting a 2nd unit to go stereo.
> An EAR is an acronym for Exterior Audio Receiver.
> http://earco.travisktucker.com/
> Ken
>
I got an Error 404.
Google search returned info re: the following:
"The "Ultra-low Current Igniter" was developed for EARco (Experimental
Aerospace Research) by Ken Tucker to increase the safety of Rocketry. "
"We set-up EAR's to listen to natural sounds.Ken"
I understand listening to natural sounds, but the rocketry connection is
unfamiliar and intriguing. What's that about?
You might want to check your webiste to make sure it's still functional...
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| "Kris Krieger"> wrote
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
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> I got an Error 404.
> You might want to check your webiste to make sure it's still functional...
I tried it when he posted it and tried it just now and it worked both times.
Time to dump them cache folders Kris, porn takes up alot of space in no time
flat <wink>. heh
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-09-25, 9:25 am |
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Kris Krieger wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in
> news:1158948070.261652.235260@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
> [snip]
>
> I got an Error 404.
Don and I checked again and it's good link for us.
> Google search returned info re: the following:
>
> "The "Ultra-low Current Igniter" was developed for EARco (Experimental
> Aerospace Research) by Ken Tucker to increase the safety of Rocketry. "
>
> "We set-up EAR's to listen to natural sounds.Ken"
>
> I understand listening to natural sounds, but the rocketry connection is
> unfamiliar and intriguing. What's that about?
Rich Nakka is a world famous amateur rocketeer,
he's also a fine Mech Eng. Check out his site,
http://www.nakka-rocketry.net/
He and others have done launches based from our
previous home. If you google "nakka+tucker" you'll
get his documentation on that. We've helped him
with a few minor problems. Funny thing about the
Ultra-Low Current Igniter is a fella in Australia tied
a couple to his bumper and after flapping about
for 2 weeks both still worked, that's important,
because it means the battery size is much less,
and thus can reduce the rocket size and/or
increase pay-load. Nakka froze a 9V battery for
4 hours then applied it to the ULC Igniter and the
thing worked perfectly too so it increases safety.
Ken
http://sugarshot.org/
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| Kris Krieger 2006-09-25, 1:25 pm |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
news:ef7ebe010is@news3.newsguy.com:
> "Kris Krieger"> wrote
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> I tried it when he posted it and tried it just now and it worked both
> times. Time to dump them cache folders Kris, porn takes up alot of
> space in no time flat <wink>. heh
>
Oy vey, the pathetic thing is that with me, it's all files pertaining to
landscaping, botany <!>, planting zones, soils, climate, native plant
species versus imported, cultivars, plant genetics, and etc. and so on and
so forth and yaddayaddayadda.... <LMAO!!>
If I had a sales department, I bet I might even be able to earn some $$
doing this stuff <G!>
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| Kris Krieger 2006-09-25, 1:25 pm |
| "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in
news:1159192295.426989.47270@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:
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> Kris Krieger wrote:
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> Don and I checked again and it's good link for us.
Then this POS by McAfee must be blocking it. I hate the @%*&ing thing.
But it's not my computer so it's not my call to dump it.
Dang =>:-p
>
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> Rich Nakka is a world famous amateur rocketeer,
> he's also a fine Mech Eng. Check out his site,
>
> http://www.nakka-rocketry.net/
>
> He and others have done launches based from our
> previous home.
Ah, OK, now that sounds a bit familiar - I'm sure you've emntioned
something about it in the past.
> If you google "nakka+tucker" you'll
> get his documentation on that. We've helped him
> with a few minor problems. Funny thing about the
> Ultra-Low Current Igniter is a fella in Australia tied
> a couple to his bumper and after flapping about
> for 2 weeks both still worked, that's important,
> because it means the battery size is much less,
> and thus can reduce the rocket size and/or
> increase pay-load. Nakka froze a 9V battery for
> 4 hours then applied it to the ULC Igniter and the
> thing worked perfectly too so it increases safety.
> Ken
>
> http://sugarshot.org/
>
Sweeeeet...
Interesting stuff, actually. Interesting idea and application. Thanks
for the info. (Dunno why I can get that page to open, but not yours.)
I don't know where one can do rocketry locally, but there is a model
plane field just a couple miles from here in the Geo. Bush (senior)
Park. That's also intresting IMO, model planes/jets/helicopters. Most
"jet" models, last I checked, used ducted fans, not actualy jet-type
engines, but maybe that's changed by now. I'm considering looking into
that again - it'd be neat IMO to have some sort of system where you
could use video signals to fly the model; that'd make it more realistic.
And expensive of course ;) .
Nifty stuff, tho'.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2006-09-25, 1:25 pm |
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Kris Krieger wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in
> news:1159192295.426989.47270@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:
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> workmanship,
>
> Then this POS by McAfee must be blocking it. I hate the @%*&ing thing.
> But it's not my computer so it's not my call to dump it.
>
> Dang =>:-p
>
>
>
> (Experimental
> "
> is
>
> Ah, OK, now that sounds a bit familiar - I'm sure you've emntioned
> something about it in the past.
>
>
> Sweeeeet...
>
> Interesting stuff, actually. Interesting idea and application. Thanks
> for the info. (Dunno why I can get that page to open, but not yours.)
Don't know, maybe a few other fellow posters might
chime in reports on that.
> I don't know where one can do rocketry locally, but there is a model
> plane field just a couple miles from here in the Geo. Bush (senior)
> Park. That's also intresting IMO, model planes/jets/helicopters. Most
> "jet" models, last I checked, used ducted fans, not actualy jet-type
> engines, but maybe that's changed by now. I'm considering looking into
> that again - it'd be neat IMO to have some sort of system where you
> could use video signals to fly the model; that'd make it more realistic.
> And expensive of course ;) .
>
> Nifty stuff, tho'.
In read a 1950's Popular Science mag about remote
controlled vehicles, cars boats planes, based on
tubes, remember them, little glass bulbs with hard wires
stickin out the bottom. When the TV acted up, my Old
Boy would take them all out and sent me to the smoke
shop to test them on this big intimidating "tube tester",
dang that was fun. They had dials that read green,
yellow or red while one went through a test sequence.
Man I must have learned electronics real quick cuz
getting the right tube meant watching Fred Flintstone,
otherwise the TV guy comes and pulls the set and we
end-up staring at the place the TV used to be, while
the Old Girl vacuums the spot.
Anyway, Remotely Piloted Vehicles (RPV's) are
super cheap and powerful and rocket engines are
available for purchase just about everywhere in US,
as a clubs to join for that.
Ken
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| > "Edgar"> wrote
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> Caloric content is completely irrelevent, except for couch potatoes
> (CP). CP's have to watch every single calorie, fat content, carbs,
> and on and on and on.
> What a PITA that must be, especially when you consider the solution
> is so easy and readily available.
>
>
>
> You're a smart dood Edgar, though young.
> Its been more than apparent what the larger picture is, and one
> doesn't have to go back very far for historical reference as to whats
> *really* going on with all this terrorist threat silliness.
> Of course kiddie porn has nothing to do with terrorism and terrorizing
> innocent citizens has nothing to do with either.
Hi all
Actually Don I have a pet theory that "they" have sand in their vaginas
because we have the internet - I don't think it's a genie they fully
intended to let out of the bottle - now we have to be farmed more carefully
Not water tight but some mileage in it I think
Tim
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| Warm Worm 2006-09-25, 9:25 pm |
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"Tim"
> Actually Don I have a pet theory that "they" have sand in their vaginas
> because we have the internet - I don't think it's a genie they fully
> intended to let out of the bottle - now we have to be farmed more
> carefully
> Not water tight but some mileage in it I think
"The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing".
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