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| Johnny (Certified) Technician
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- Design Plans
- Efficient AutoCAD drawing formatting
- Floor Planning
- Working Drawings (to point of being looked over by Architect/Engineer)
I am looking for work on the side of work, to keep a fairly busy day. So if
your interested or need someone reliable to do your drawings, you know who
to email.
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JOHNNY
Drafting Technician
(for job inquiries and a name other than the alias used on the board)
email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
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| "John" <johnny_blazer@SAFe-mail.net> wrote
> JOHNNY
> Drafting Technician
What is a drafting *technician*?
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| RicodJour 2006-09-23, 5:25 pm |
| Don wrote:
> "John" <johnny_blazer@SAFe-mail.net> wrote
>
> What is a drafting *technician*?
I thought you were going to ask who certified him.
R
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| Hilarious, maybe the technician is an uncommonly used name in this
newsgroup..
But I'm pretty sure we're the muscle behind the plan. But correct me if I'm
wrong.
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JOHNNY
Drafting Technician
email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
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| oh yea I forgot about RicodJour's question.. I'm a Canadian based Tech. out
of Winnipeg
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JOHNNY
Drafting Technician
email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
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| RicodJour 2006-09-23, 5:25 pm |
| John wrote:
> oh yea I forgot about RicodJour's question.. I'm a Canadian based Tech. out
> of Winnipeg
I don't remember asking a question...I guess I owe you some questions,
then.
What exactly does the certified mean, who certifies you? What sort of
drafting experience do you have (years, type of projects)? Do you have
a web site with some of your work on display?
R
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| When I say Certified, I mean I have my papers saying that 'yes' I am a
Drafting Technician (aka. Draftsman/ Draftsperson)
The type of structures I currently work on roughly; without going into too
much depth, I do:
-Apartments (mostly remodeling when we do these)
-Condos (conversions from homes or apartment blocks to condo units)
-Residential Homes
I've been a draftsman for officially about 2 years now.
I'm working on my website, for my future beloved viewers/consumers.
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JOHNNY
Drafting Technician
email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
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| Awwwwk. First, I am not one to care much about grammer on a NG, but
give me a break. I matters when it changes the meaning of what you are
trying to say. If you are looking for work, you should be a bit better
or people will assume your drawing is like your writing.
John wrote:
> When I say Certified, I mean I have my papers saying that 'yes' I am a
> Drafting Technician (aka. Draftsman/ Draftsperson)
Oh, come on, your papers don't say "yes I am a Drafting Technician".
They say "Acme school of Drafting and Cosmotology" or something. As
they asked, who are your papers from. The only one around here with
"papers" is the one over on the rug who has papers saying he is
nutured, wormed and has his shots. Did you get nutured to get your
papers.
> The type of structures I currently work on roughly; without going into too
> much depth, I do:
To bad there are structures that you "currently work roughly" on. Who
does the fine, detailed work. Who puts the monitor back on the desk
when you are done being rough?
>
> -Apartments (mostly remodeling when we do these)
> -Condos (conversions from homes or apartment blocks to condo units)
You convert houses to condo???
> -Residential Homes
Please name 3 other types of homes, other than "residential" ones?
Okay, I'll even give you "group home" as non-residential.
>
> I've been a draftsman for officially about 2 years now.
A) I thought you were some type of technician, not a draftsman
B) What does "officially" mean. Let me guess, before that you were an
architect by the buildings kept falling down.
>
> I'm working on my website, for my future beloved viewers/consumers.
Given the way you write, I can't wait. It should be a hoot.
>
>
>
> --
>
> --------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------
> JOHNNY
> Drafting Technician
> email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
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| Awwwwk. First, I am not one to care much about grammer on a NG, but
give me a break. I matters when it changes the meaning of what you are
trying to say. If you are looking for work, you should be a bit better
or people will assume your drawing is like your writing.
John wrote:
> When I say Certified, I mean I have my papers saying that 'yes' I am a
> Drafting Technician (aka. Draftsman/ Draftsperson)
Oh, come on, your papers don't say "yes I am a Drafting Technician".
They say "Acme school of Drafting and Cosmotology" or something. As
they asked, who are your papers from. The only one around here with
"papers" is the one over on the rug who has papers saying he is
nutured, wormed and has his shots. Did you get nutured to get your
papers.
> The type of structures I currently work on roughly; without going into too
> much depth, I do:
To bad there are structures that you "currently work roughly" on. Who
does the fine, detailed work. Who puts the monitor back on the desk
when you are done being rough?
>
> -Apartments (mostly remodeling when we do these)
> -Condos (conversions from homes or apartment blocks to condo units)
You convert houses to condo???
> -Residential Homes
Please name 3 other types of homes, other than "residential" ones?
Okay, I'll even give you "group home" as non-residential.
>
> I've been a draftsman for officially about 2 years now.
A) I thought you were some type of technician, not a draftsman
B) What does "officially" mean. Let me guess, before that you were an
architect by the buildings kept falling down.
>
> I'm working on my website, for my future beloved viewers/consumers.
Given the way you write, I can't wait. It should be a hoot.
>
>
>
> --
>
> --------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------
> JOHNNY
> Drafting Technician
> email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
> --------------------------------------
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| Well hello Pat;
First off I am a Drafting Technician, and if you read earlier Don asked me
what a Drafting Tech. was so I answered then RicodJour mentioned something
about who certified me.. so all I am saying is "Yes I am Certified" and I'm
sure I can edit an image to say "Yes I <John> am a Certified Draftsperson"
(Illegal, but can be done).
I'm a "DRAFTSPERSON" not a Grammar editor or an English teacher, I make
plans.. stuff that workers read not exactly stuff that needs professional
looking grammar or paragraphs of shit (not to be offensive).
I am rough about my projects because I am not advertising my previous jobs..
I will show you what the quality of work I can do on the website I am
creating.. It's not a place where I put my previous works for you to copy,
remodel, remake and take credit for.
Have you never seen a house remodeled into a condo before? That's strange
because recently I've done quite a bit of that. I guess your experience
doesn't take you as far in that section of the field as someone who's been
certified for a couple of years.
Draftsperson/Draftsman/Drafting Technician (Same Shit Different Label).
Yes I'm quite anxious to put my website up also, you'll be on the V.I.P.
list for viewings.
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JOHNNY
Drafting Technician
email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
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John wrote:
> Well hello Pat;
>
> First off I am a Drafting Technician, and if you read earlier Don asked me
> what a Drafting Tech. was so I answered then RicodJour mentioned something
> about who certified me.. so all I am saying is "Yes I am Certified" and I'm
> sure I can edit an image to say "Yes I <John> am a Certified Draftsperson"
> (Illegal, but can be done).
>
> I'm a "DRAFTSPERSON" not a Grammar editor or an English teacher, I make
> plans.. stuff that workers read not exactly stuff that needs professional
> looking grammar or paragraphs of shit (not to be offensive).
Because plans are reviewed by planners who are quite technical as well
as workers who are not, I believe how the text is writting on them is
quite important.
>
> I am rough about my projects because I am not advertising my previous jobs..
> I will show you what the quality of work I can do on the website I am
> creating.. It's not a place where I put my previous works for you to copy,
> remodel, remake and take credit for.
I have no intention of copying, remaking or taking credit for your
work. That is what I pay architects and engineers for.
>
> Have you never seen a house remodeled into a condo before? That's strange
> because recently I've done quite a bit of that. I guess your experience
> doesn't take you as far in that section of the field as someone who's been
> certified for a couple of years.
>
Actually, no, I haven't seen a house converted to a condo. In NY it
would be quite expensive and probably wouldn't be worth it on such a
small scale. I don't do condos, but it's my understanding that by the
time you're done, you've blown through $20m to $50m just in legal
bills. That's not generally worth it for just a few units.
> Draftsperson/Draftsman/Drafting Technician (Same Shit Different Label).
>
> Yes I'm quite anxious to put my website up also, you'll be on the V.I.P.
> list for viewings.
Cool.
>
>
>
> --
>
> --------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------
> JOHNNY
> Drafting Technician
> email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
> --------------------------------------
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| "John"> wrote
> Hilarious, maybe the technician is an uncommonly used name in this
> newsgroup..
> But I'm pretty sure we're the muscle behind the plan. But correct me if
> I'm wrong.
I will.
The proper term for one that does drafting is *draftsman*.
I know, I know, it doesn't sound as illustrious as that added on adjective
but hey, we is what we is.
BTW: There's still boatloads of people running around that have no idea what
a draftsman is.
Seems to be an aura of mysticism engulfing the masses regarding architects
and draftsmen.
We do it all, but nobody knows it.
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| >
> Because plans are reviewed by planners who are quite technical as well
> as workers who are not, I believe how the text is writting on them is
> quite important.
Well not to have come off as much of an XXXXXXX before, but I understand how
the plans should look, well in the areas I do them for. I don't have any NY
experience, but it is something of interest to see how the plans do look.
>
> I have no intention of copying, remaking or taking credit for your
> work. That is what I pay architects and engineers for.
haha, I understand. Business is business, and all I was saying was that I'll
be putting a quick set for everyone to see how I format my plans. I've seen
some dirty looking stuff that people have to work from. And from my
viewpoint I don't understand how some of those projects took place.
>
> Actually, no, I haven't seen a house converted to a condo. In NY it
> would be quite expensive and probably wouldn't be worth it on such a
> small scale. I don't do condos, but it's my understanding that by the
> time you're done, you've blown through $20m to $50m just in legal
> bills. That's not generally worth it for just a few units.
I can see where your comming from here, but I see it all the time now
a-days. People with lots of money are willing to put it in, to make it back
in the next few years... The turn-around is pretty good for the people I've
done work for. Or else it's just people who are waiting on their death-bed
looking to waiste some dough before they kick the bucket (no offence to any
of the older generations here on this NG).
> Cool.
I'm working on my site right now, so it shouldn't be too much longer before
I have it up for everyone to see. It'll be basic and too the point as to
what kind of services I am providing.
Anyways, do you have any projects that have displays somewhere on the net?
(3d models or something)
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JOHNNY
Drafting Technician
email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
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| >
> I will.
> The proper term for one that does drafting is *draftsman*.
> I know, I know, it doesn't sound as illustrious as that added on adjective
> but hey, we is what we is.> I will.
> The proper term for one that does drafting is *draftsman*.
> I know, I know, it doesn't sound as illustrious as that added on adjective
> but hey, we is what we is.
I hate to mention this but I'm constantly writing and saying it; so I will
tell you that to be correct to the genders, women love this but I will
normally call myself a Drafts"person".. Even though I am a Drafts"Man". I
don't usually hear about Drafts"women" so I keep it constant throughout the
genders.
>
> BTW: There's still boatloads of people running around that have no idea
> what a draftsman is.
> Seems to be an aura of mysticism engulfing the masses regarding architects
> and draftsmen.
> We do it all, but nobody knows it.
As I was saying we're the "Muscle" behind the overly expensive Architects.
But if I wasn't talking to someone worrying about legal standpoints, I'm an
"architect"; once again women love it. The stigma following a Drafts'person'
being the slave working under the all mighty master with the stamp.
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JOHNNY
Drafting Technician
email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
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| Warm Worm 2006-09-25, 3:25 am |
| "John"
>
> I hate to mention this but I'm constantly writing and saying it; so I will
> tell you that to be correct to the genders, women love this but I will
> normally call myself a Drafts"person".. Even though I am a Drafts"Man". I
> don't usually hear about Drafts"women" so I keep it constant throughout
> the genders.
draft·er (drftr)
n.
One that drafts, especially a person who drafts plans or designs or a person
who composes a document.
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|
John wrote:
>
> Well not to have come off as much of an XXXXXXX before, but I understand how
> the plans should look, well in the areas I do them for. I don't have any NY
> experience, but it is something of interest to see how the plans do look.
>
>
> haha, I understand. Business is business, and all I was saying was that I'll
> be putting a quick set for everyone to see how I format my plans. I've seen
> some dirty looking stuff that people have to work from. And from my
> viewpoint I don't understand how some of those projects took place.
>
>
> I can see where your comming from here, but I see it all the time now
> a-days. People with lots of money are willing to put it in, to make it back
> in the next few years... The turn-around is pretty good for the people I've
> done work for. Or else it's just people who are waiting on their death-bed
> looking to waiste some dough before they kick the bucket (no offence to any
> of the older generations here on this NG).
>
>
> I'm working on my site right now, so it shouldn't be too much longer before
> I have it up for everyone to see. It'll be basic and too the point as to
> what kind of services I am providing.
>
>
> Anyways, do you have any projects that have displays somewhere on the net?
> (3d models or something)
>
I keep all of my plans off the net because all that info does is give
my competition too much info. That's bad because then they can start
to figure things out about how I work and what my financial models look
like. I know because I figured that out looking at some of my
competitions' websites. We're a pretty damn competitive lot.
But if you want to go to my "other" website, I have lots of purdy
pictures over there (figure it out from my fake email address).
>
>
> --
>
> --------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------
> JOHNNY
> Drafting Technician
> email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
> --------------------------------------
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| RicodJour 2006-09-25, 3:25 am |
| John wrote:
Hey John, learn how to quote. It's impolite and more difficult to
follow if you don't attribute the quote.
Have you seen Peter Greenaway's movie, The Draughtsman's Contract? If
not, do so. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083851/ It's pretty much how
I like to do business.
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> I hate to mention this but I'm constantly writing and saying it; so I will
> tell you that to be correct to the genders, women love this but I will
> normally call myself a Drafts"person".. Even though I am a Drafts"Man". I
> don't usually hear about Drafts"women" so I keep it constant throughout the
> genders.
The term draftsman is consistent throughout (? Here I thought there
were only two.), there's no need to differentiate unless you'd like to
"improve" the language by reverting to the gender specific verb
conjugations, etc.
>
> As I was saying we're the "Muscle" behind the overly expensive Architects.
> But if I wasn't talking to someone worrying about legal standpoints, I'm an
> "architect"; once again women love it. The stigma following a Drafts'person'
> being the slave working under the all mighty master with the stamp.
With two years experience you're not an architect regardless of the
titular and legal ramifications.
R
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RicodJour wrote:
> John wrote:
>
> Hey John, learn how to quote. It's impolite and more difficult to
> follow if you don't attribute the quote.
>
>
> Have you seen Peter Greenaway's movie, The Draughtsman's Contract? If
> not, do so. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083851/ It's pretty much how
> I like to do business.
>
>
> The term draftsman is consistent throughout (? Here I thought there
> were only two.), there's no need to differentiate unless you'd like to
> "improve" the language by reverting to the gender specific verb
> conjugations, etc.
>
>
> With two years experience you're not an architect regardless of the
> titular and legal ramifications.
And don't forget that pesky license. In NY, a license is required to
stamp plans. Is that the same everywhere?
>
> R
| |
|
| >
> Hey John, learn how to quote. It's impolite and more difficult to
> follow if you don't attribute the quote.
>
>
> Have you seen Peter Greenaway's movie, The Draughtsman's Contract? If
> not, do so. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083851/ It's pretty much how
> I like to do business.
>
Hey 1982, I'm liking the movie already; It seems that in '82 a lot of good
looking children were born, of course me being one of them I don't like to
boast too much.
>
> The term draftsman is consistent throughout (? Here I thought there
> were only two.), there's no need to differentiate unless you'd like to
> "improve" the language by reverting to the gender specific verb
> conjugations, etc.
>
As I was saying Drafts'person' is more for the ladies.. But gentlemen we all
know we're Draftsmen
>
> With two years experience you're not an architect regardless of the
> titular and legal ramifications.
>
Once again the ladies love it, and I say what I can to get the ladies into
bed. I mean to impress the ladies.
Ok I'm done with my childish remarks.. Back to the topic of this
conversation...
So do all of you do your own planning and designing? or is work something
that you're looking for someone to help you with.
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JOHNNY
Drafting Technician
email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
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|
John wrote:
>
> Hey 1982, I'm liking the movie already; It seems that in '82 a lot of good
> looking children were born, of course me being one of them I don't like to
> boast too much.
>
>
>
> As I was saying Drafts'person' is more for the ladies.. But gentlemen we all
> know we're Draftsmen
>
>
>
> Once again the ladies love it, and I say what I can to get the ladies into
> bed. I mean to impress the ladies.
Yeah, like "how's $20 sound". :-)) (Just kidding.
Couldn't resist)
> Ok I'm done with my childish remarks.. Back to the topic of this
> conversation...
>
>
> So do all of you do your own planning and designing? or is work something
> that you're looking for someone to help you with.
>
>
> --
>
> --------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------
> JOHNNY
> Drafting Technician
> email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
> --------------------------------------
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| RicodJour 2006-09-25, 9:25 am |
| Pat wrote:
>
> And don't forget that pesky license. In NY, a license is required to
> stamp plans. Is that the same everywhere?
Nope. Varies greatly by state. NJ requires an architect's stamp,
where other states that require sealed drawings allow both engineers
and architects to do the honors.
R
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| Kris Krieger 2006-09-25, 1:25 pm |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
news:ef7dtb01058@news3.newsguy.com:
> "John"> wrote
>
> I will.
> The proper term for one that does drafting is *draftsman*.
> I know, I know, it doesn't sound as illustrious as that added on
> adjective but hey, we is what we is.
Wouldn't it depend upon one's location/locale...? He did mention he's
working in Canada; having lived in Ontario and then BC for about 5 yrs
each, I learned fast that there *are* a number of differences between
Canada and the US, in all sorts of things.
Re: licensing, I'd once noticed that there is even a Certificate in
Suasage-making. The purpose being to show that one has been taught
things such as safe/clean food handling techniques, and safe operation
of the machinery involved.
A lot of job titles are also different. Heck, even within the US, thre
are differences in vocabulary and job titles and so on.
So maybe give the fellow a break ;)
>
> BTW: There's still boatloads of people running around that have no
> idea what a draftsman is.
> Seems to be an aura of mysticism engulfing the masses regarding
> architects and draftsmen.
> We do it all, but nobody knows it.
>
The masses, ugh....
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| Kris Krieger 2006-09-25, 1:25 pm |
| "RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in
news:1159156030.059984.208650@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> John wrote:
[snip]
>
> With two years experience you're not an architect regardless of the
> titular and legal ramifications.
>
> R
>
In all fairness, he never claimed to be an architect.
A aprallel situation is the difference between a Chief Scientist, a
Research Sceintist, a Laboratory Technologist, and a Lab Technician. Or
for that matter, a Pgysician, and EMT, an RN, and an LPN. Each level
has different educational requirements, as well as different duties and
responsibilities.
Of course architects can (or should be able to) do drafting - but that'd
be sort of like having a physician giving meds and taking vital signs X
times a day; that is part of what RNs do, in addition to their other
skills and duties. An RN can qualify, in some states, and with
additional education, to be what is called a Nurse Practitioner, which
allows one to perform basic/routine medical diagnoses and duties, such
as stitching up wounds that are non-threatening, diagnosing colds and
recommending medications, and in some cases, I think, writing some types
of prescriptions. But a Physician is called in to deal with more
serious and/or complex matters.
SO, when John mentioned draftsfolks <g!> as being "the muscle", what he
means is that they do the drafting (i.e. "RN or Nurse Practitioner
things") which leaves the architect free to do the complex planning,
design, and other things.
It surprised me that his comments seemed confusing...
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RicodJour wrote:
> Pat wrote:
>
> Nope. Varies greatly by state. NJ requires an architect's stamp,
> where other states that require sealed drawings allow both engineers
> and architects to do the honors.
>
> R
Yeah, I see lots of different stamps in NY. Seems like architects and
engineers can stamp about anything. Surveyors can seal some things.
Landscape architects can seal site plans.
But in NY (or NJ), don't you have to be licensed to hold yourself out
as an Architect, per se.
>From what I've seen around here, I think it is all construction over
$10,000 except maintenance needs stamped drawings and almost all truss
designs. It's pretty restrictive.
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"Kris Krieger" <me@dowmuff.in> wrote in message
news:giSRg.6070$UG4.4555@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
> news:ef7dtb01058@news3.newsguy.com:
>
>
> Wouldn't it depend upon one's location/locale...? He did mention he's
> working in Canada; having lived in Ontario and then BC for about 5 yrs
> each, I learned fast that there *are* a number of differences between
> Canada and the US, in all sorts of things.
>
> Re: licensing, I'd once noticed that there is even a Certificate in
> Suasage-making. The purpose being to show that one has been taught
> things such as safe/clean food handling techniques, and safe operation
> of the machinery involved.
>
> A lot of job titles are also different. Heck, even within the US, thre
> are differences in vocabulary and job titles and so on.
>
> So maybe give the fellow a break ;)
>
>
>
> The masses, ugh....
>
I my experience, most Architects, except the "name" architects, do a good
bit of their own drafting. The majority of offices are under 3 persons, so
they have to. Besides, it's fun to draw and "build" the building on paper.
However when I worked under Gropius in the 1959-1962, 5 or 6 drafters would
draw up variations of his ideas, the great man would come in, study the
bumwad pinups and write "OK-Grope" on the approved one. I still have one of
those somewhere in the house.
EDS
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"John" <johnny_blazer@SAFe-mail.net> wrote in message
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> Johnny (Certified) Technician
> ----------------------------------------
>
> - Design Plans
> - Efficient AutoCAD drawing formatting
> - Floor Planning
> - Working Drawings (to point of being looked over by Architect/Engineer)
>
>
> I am looking for work on the side of work, to keep a fairly busy day. So
> if your interested or need someone reliable to do your drawings, you know
> who to email.
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------
> JOHNNY
> Drafting Technician
>
> (for job inquiries and a name other than the alias used on the board)
> email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
> --------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
I know your just looking to make a few bucks...who can blame you?
Thing is, your setting yourself up for a bit of a headache.
One...if you put yourself out there, then refuse to show samples of your
work, who's gonna hire ya?
Second... you have put yourself out to the world, not your local area...are
you willing to take on the responsibility of learning codes for everywhere?
C: Do you know how hard it is to get an Architect to seal something they did
not design or draw?
Here in Texas, they just won't do it. Too much liability. Even if they
would, the cost would be huge...
My advice (not that you asked for it), put together a viewable portfolio and
advertise in your local area.
jojo
| |
| Warm Worm 2006-09-25, 1:25 pm |
|
"eds"
> However when I worked under Gropius in the 1959-1962, 5 or 6 drafters
> would draw up variations of his ideas, the great man would come in, study
> the bumwad pinups and write "OK-Grope" on the approved one. I still have
> one of those somewhere in the house.
COL (chuckling out loud)
| |
| Michael \(LS\) 2006-09-25, 5:25 pm |
|
"Pat" <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote in message
news:1159155522.192620.152380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> John wrote:
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>
> I keep all of my plans off the net because all that info does is give
> my competition too much info. That's bad because then they can start
> to figure things out about how I work and what my financial models look
> like. I know because I figured that out looking at some of my
> competitions' websites. We're a pretty damn competitive lot.
>
> But if you want to go to my "other" website, I have lots of purdy
> pictures over there (figure it out from my fake email address).
Hey Pat,
I looked at your "line drawing" photos and it's pretty nice. Can you post
the steps you used (filters, layers, etc.) to achieve that look. Or maybe
it'd be easier to just post a script?
Thanks,
Michael (LS)
| |
| Kris Krieger 2006-09-25, 5:25 pm |
| "eds" <snowed@comcast.net> wrote in
news:iP-dnY5YhYpej4XYnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
> "Kris Krieger" <me@dowmuff.in> wrote in message
> news:giSRg.6070$UG4.4555@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> I my experience, most Architects, except the "name" architects, do a
> good bit of their own drafting. The majority of offices are under 3
> persons, so they have to.
Makes sense...
> Besides, it's fun to draw and "build" the
> building on paper.
I like doing that in 3D. Obviously is *far* less detail, since I just
do the walls so to speak, none of the piping or other engineering types
of things. But I can at least understand something of how fun it might
be to take an idea through development, watch it grow from and through
your own mind and hand so to speak, and eventually become an actual
thing 
> However when I worked under Gropius in the
> 1959-1962, 5 or 6 drafters would draw up variations of his ideas, the
> great man would come in, study the bumwad pinups and write "OK-Grope"
> on the approved one. I still have one of those somewhere in the house.
> EDS
>
Cool experience! I'd've framed the sheet, unique decor <G!>
Re: Other stuff - I just tend to "discretize"-analyse-organize-then-
synthesize with pretty much everything, hence my perception of what the
OP was saying. Naturally, I could be totally wrong and maybe he was
claiming to be able to do what architects do. That's how it goes ;)
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|
|
"jojo" <cgv_2000@*remove your hat*yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "John" <johnny_blazer@SAFe-mail.net> wrote in message
> news:O52Rg.13306$1T2.12096@pd7urf2no...
>
> I know your just looking to make a few bucks...who can blame you?
> Thing is, your setting yourself up for a bit of a headache.
>
> One...if you put yourself out there, then refuse to show samples of your
> work, who's gonna hire ya?
> Second... you have put yourself out to the world, not your local
> area...are you willing to take on the responsibility of learning codes for
> everywhere?
> C: Do you know how hard it is to get an Architect to seal something they
> did not design or draw?
> Here in Texas, they just won't do it. Too much liability. Even if they
> would, the cost would be huge...
>
> My advice (not that you asked for it), put together a viewable portfolio
> and advertise in your local area.
>
> jojo
>
>
>
>
and as a side note, here in the states....
you can get a drafting certificate. means you know how to draw a line, not
architecture
you can also get an associates degree in drafting technology.
again, means you can draw a better line, nothing about architecture.
what I tell many of my new hires is this.
I can teach you AutoCAD in 40 hours, and yes, you will be proficient.
I cannot teach you architecture in 40 hours, day or weeks.
that being said, I prefer the term architectural intern to draftsman.
jojo
| |
|
| "John"> wrote
> As I was saying we're the "Muscle" behind the overly expensive Architects.
> But if I wasn't talking to someone worrying about legal standpoints, I'm
> an "architect"; once again women love it. The stigma following a
> Drafts'person' being the slave working under the all mighty master with
> the stamp.
I ain't even gonna go there!
| |
|
| "Kris Krieger"> wrote
> SO, when John mentioned draftsfolks <g!> as being "the muscle", what he
> means is that they do the drafting (i.e. "RN or Nurse Practitioner
> things") which leaves the architect free to do the complex planning,
> design, and other things.
>
> It surprised me that his comments seemed confusing...
I'm not surprised you're surprised.
Its called, 'being outside the loop'.
Every architect I have known, and there have been many, routinely does
drafting work.
The only exception to this are the ones that have specific dutys that are
not related to the production end of the thing.
My last *real* job had an architect whose sole function was to travel around
the state gathering up large scale projects.
He was an architect in name only but in the past he too did plenty of
drafting work.
I'd bet that in all of the smaller architecture businesses the architects do
the drafting work.
Simply, Johns opinion is baseless possibly due to lack of experience (2
years).
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|
|
"Kris Krieger" <me@dowmuff.in> wrote in message
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> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
> news:ef7dtb01058@news3.newsguy.com:
>
>
> Wouldn't it depend upon one's location/locale...?
No.
A draftsman position is quite clear.
No matter the locale, a horse is still a horse.
Neither do I play that silly gender game.
The word *man* as in draftsman, is non gender specific.
| |
|
|
into[color=darkred]
>
> Yeah, like "how's $20 sound". :-)) (Just kidding.
> Couldn't resist)
>
$20 come on give me a little more respect than that, $25.. maybe $30 but
that's usually my last offer.
--
--
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JOHNNY
Drafting Technician
email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
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|
|
"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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> "Kris Krieger"> wrote
>
> I'm not surprised you're surprised.
> Its called, 'being outside the loop'.
> Every architect I have known, and there have been many, routinely does
> drafting work.
> The only exception to this are the ones that have specific dutys that are
> not related to the production end of the thing.
> My last *real* job had an architect whose sole function was to travel
around
> the state gathering up large scale projects.
> He was an architect in name only but in the past he too did plenty of
> drafting work.
> I'd bet that in all of the smaller architecture businesses the architects
do
> the drafting work.
>
> Simply, Johns opinion is baseless possibly due to lack of experience (2
> years).
>
>
The lack of experience yes, and I do see Architects moving throughout cities
to get the jobs gathered. When I said Muslce behind the overly expensive
Architects; I'm being sarcastic and trying to say that they come up with the
idea, we draft and tell them what can and cannot be done, simply because
their too busy gathering jobs or meeting clients on the details which 'we'
create. Not that they can't do the work themselves, it'd be a matter of time
over money.
When I say that I don't mind saying I'm an architect to the ladies. I simply
mean that if they question me before I sleep with them, I can give them
answers that will make them believe the 'fib' I am in the process of
telling.
Therefore, I am not an undercover architect who is simply hiding out in this
position as a draftsman to slip the building groupies or the media. I am
nothing more than a "Draftsman" who is trying to pimp himself out into the
world of work, to gain knowledge which may later push me into the position
of the all-mighty 'Architect'.
--
--
--------------------------------------
--------------------------------------
JOHNNY
Drafting Technician
email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
--------------------------------------
| |
|
| Hello Jojo,
Just out of curiousity usually when you see someone who's worked in the
field for 2 years what kind
of experience can they show you they have knowledge of?
Meaning how are there formatting skills or can they throw-together a full
plan for you
without anykind of stupid questioning? (just a question, you don't have to
answer if you feel the question asks too many personal questions.).
--
--
--------------------------------------
--------------------------------------
JOHNNY
Drafting Technician
email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
--------------------------------------
| |
|
| "John"> wrote
> Therefore, I am not an undercover architect who is simply hiding out in
> this
> position as a draftsman to slip the building groupies or the media. I am
> nothing more than a "Draftsman" who is trying to pimp himself out into the
> world of work, to gain knowledge which may later push me into the position
> of the all-mighty 'Architect'.
You are dishonest and doomed to fail at all you do.
Straighten up your act.
| |
|
|
Kris Krieger wrote:
> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
> news:ef7dtb01058@news3.newsguy.com:
>
>
> Wouldn't it depend upon one's location/locale...? He did mention he's
> working in Canada; having lived in Ontario and then BC for about 5 yrs
> each, I learned fast that there *are* a number of differences between
> Canada and the US, in all sorts of things.
>
> Re: licensing, I'd once noticed that there is even a Certificate in
> Suasage-making. The purpose being to show that one has been taught
> things such as safe/clean food handling techniques, and safe operation
> of the machinery involved.
>
> A lot of job titles are also different. Heck, even within the US, thre
> are differences in vocabulary and job titles and so on.
My brother was in charge of a number of hydro facilities and he was the
"Damn Supervisor". How's THAT for a title.
>
> So maybe give the fellow a break ;)
>
>
>
> The masses, ugh....
| |
|
| Yea I'll stop b.s'ing, I get sick of it to.
--
--
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--------------------------------------
JOHNNY
Drafting Technician
email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
--------------------------------------
"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
news:ef9tn701mu7@news3.newsguy.com...
> "John"> wrote
the[color=darkred]
position[color=darkred]
>
> You are dishonest and doomed to fail at all you do.
> Straighten up your act.
>
>
| |
| Warm Worm 2006-09-25, 9:25 pm |
|
"John"
> "Don"
> When I say that I don't mind saying I'm an architect to the ladies. I
> simply
> mean that if they question me before I sleep with them, I can give them
> answers that will make them believe the 'fib' I am in the process of
> telling.
I wonder if that might in part explain the many single moms saddled with
kids without a dad in sight.
| |
| Warm Worm 2006-09-25, 9:25 pm |
|
"Don"
> "John"
>
> I ain't even gonna go there!
Don, what's up? You seem to have lost your fire.
| |
|
| "Warm Worm"> wrote
> "Don"
>
> Don, what's up? You seem to have lost your fire.
Well ya know, I have been falsely accused of, convicted of, sentenced for
and paid the penalty for the illegal infraction John is bragging about so I
am sort of sensitive to the idea of someone actually doing the crime.
I know what injustice is firsthand and I'm advising the dood in my own
particular way.
| |
|
| Thankyou very much for the concern. But I know what we're doing. I'm not
stamping or anything; nice to know someone cares though.
--
--
--------------------------------------
--------------------------------------
JOHNNY
Drafting Technician
email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
--------------------------------------
"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
news:efa2jk01u22@news3.newsguy.com...
> "Warm Worm"> wrote
mighty[color=darkred]
>
> Well ya know, I have been falsely accused of, convicted of, sentenced for
> and paid the penalty for the illegal infraction John is bragging about so
I
> am sort of sensitive to the idea of someone actually doing the crime.
>
> I know what injustice is firsthand and I'm advising the dood in my own
> particular way.
>
>
| |
|
|
Michael (LS) wrote:
> "Pat" <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote in message
> news:1159155522.192620.152380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> how
> NY
> look.
> I'll
> seen
> back
> I've
> death-bed
> any
> before
>
> net?
>
> Hey Pat,
> I looked at your "line drawing" photos and it's pretty nice. Can you post
> the steps you used (filters, layers, etc.) to achieve that look. Or maybe
> it'd be easier to just post a script?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael (LS)
Weird pictures, huh? They started because I cannot draw but I wanted
to make something look drawn. I'm not sure I succeeded, but they don't
look like photos, either. It's always fun to watch real artistics try
to figure them out. One guy, who was an incredible artist, didn't know
they were mine and he was staring at them. He said he felt the
"artist" must be institutionalized because no one draws lines that
straight and pictures with that much detail. He was convinced they
were drawn but yet also knew that they weren't.
So anyway, there's no real script for them. Just get ready to break
every rule you've learned for PS or PSE. Then get ready for lots of
hand tweaking and lots of layers.
Take your picture and get a good exposure (or maybe slightly light).
The boost the contrast uncomfortably high. Then saturate the heck out
of it. It should look pretty ugly. Then use Sharpen Edges. Then do
it again for good measure and to introduce some artifacts. Now it's
real ugly.
Then you have a choice. Either use "find edges" or use "glowing edges"
followed by Color>Invert. All of the colors are false, but that lends
to it.
Presto, you have the basic picture.
The use Hue to rotate through color space to get a coloration you like.
If you want to look like the church (or the football player in
Portraits), then convert to b&w using (I forget the exact name)
Color>Eliminate Color.
Now you need to touch up areas the don't have much going on because
they were too dark, too light, or just too little contrast. Plus touch
up signs and such.
After that, standard PS applies.
Sit down and try a quickie right now. It'll suprise you. Email me
with the results or post them somewhere ( g r o u p s (a t) artisticph
o t o graphy.us) Maybe I can help, or more likely you can tailor it to
your tastes by yourself.
Personally, I like it a lot more than the standard "sketch" filters.
Good luck. Have fun.
| |
|
| You don't actually have to do the crime to pay the penalty.
The whiney accuser was right in this newsgroup.
Thats my last word on it.
"John" <johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net> wrote in message
news:Zp0Sg.36624$5R2.3622@pd7urf3no...
> Thankyou very much for the concern. But I know what we're doing. I'm not
> stamping or anything; nice to know someone cares though.
>
>
>
> --
> --
>
> --------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------
> JOHNNY
> Drafting Technician
> email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
> --------------------------------------
>
>
> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
> news:efa2jk01u22@news3.newsguy.com...
> mighty
> I
>
>
| |
|
| OK, where are these pix at?
"Pat" <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote in message
news:1159241854.561504.37430@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> Michael (LS) wrote:
>
> Weird pictures, huh? They started because I cannot draw but I wanted
> to make something look drawn. I'm not sure I succeeded, but they don't
> look like photos, either. It's always fun to watch real artistics try
> to figure them out. One guy, who was an incredible artist, didn't know
> they were mine and he was staring at them. He said he felt the
> "artist" must be institutionalized because no one draws lines that
> straight and pictures with that much detail. He was convinced they
> were drawn but yet also knew that they weren't.
>
> So anyway, there's no real script for them. Just get ready to break
> every rule you've learned for PS or PSE. Then get ready for lots of
> hand tweaking and lots of layers.
>
> Take your picture and get a good exposure (or maybe slightly light).
> The boost the contrast uncomfortably high. Then saturate the heck out
> of it. It should look pretty ugly. Then use Sharpen Edges. Then do
> it again for good measure and to introduce some artifacts. Now it's
> real ugly.
>
> Then you have a choice. Either use "find edges" or use "glowing edges"
> followed by Color>Invert. All of the colors are false, but that lends
> to it.
>
> Presto, you have the basic picture.
>
> The use Hue to rotate through color space to get a coloration you like.
> If you want to look like the church (or the football player in
> Portraits), then convert to b&w using (I forget the exact name)
> Color>Eliminate Color.
>
> Now you need to touch up areas the don't have much going on because
> they were too dark, too light, or just too little contrast. Plus touch
> up signs and such.
>
> After that, standard PS applies.
>
> Sit down and try a quickie right now. It'll suprise you. Email me
> with the results or post them somewhere ( g r o u p s (a t) artisticph
> o t o graphy.us) Maybe I can help, or more likely you can tailor it to
> your tastes by yourself.
>
> Personally, I like it a lot more than the standard "sketch" filters.
>
> Good luck. Have fun.
>
| |
|
|
"John" <johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net> wrote in message
news:lE_Rg.37517$R63.24383@pd7urf1no...
> Hello Jojo,
>
> Just out of curiousity usually when you see someone who's worked in the
> field for 2 years what kind
> of experience can they show you they have knowledge of?
> Meaning how are there formatting skills or can they throw-together a full
> plan for you
> without anykind of stupid questioning? (just a question, you don't have to
> answer if you feel the question asks too many personal questions.).
>
>
>
> --
> --
>
> --------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------
> JOHNNY
> Drafting Technician
> email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
> --------------------------------------
>
>
Hi Johnny....
I want to see what that person understands. Yes, I want to see as complete a
set of drawings as the person can produce. 2 years of experience can mean
anything. Hell, I spent my first 2 years drawing site plans.
Could not put a set together if you paid me. I certainly have to be open
minded when I look at this level of experience.
I've interviewed folks whose drawings were full of obvious mistakes (obvious
to me, not to them). With only 2 years of experience, it is more about what
potential that person has, not what they can do right now. Still, that
person has to be organized with good basic drafting skills and a potential
and drive to be and architect.
If you do not want to be an architect, I will not hire you.
In our firm, my goal when hiring you as an intern is that you "own" the
projects. Once you get the project, it's yours. Planning, coordination,
meetings, permitting, drafting, design revisions, all to final delivery of
cd's. This takes time and training of course. Most firms in our area do not
operate this way. Many with 3-5 years of experience have only done very
basic site plans (someone else did it) or never coordinated with engineers
(again, someone else's job).
or don't have a clue as to what the framing engineering is supposed to look
like. Many firms here break it down and an intern only gets to work on one
part of the house. Imagine a 4-5 year degree in architecture to draw
exterior elevations day after day after day.
Sorry I digress....
Did I answer your question?
I don't understand your "stupid questioning" comment..I'm gonna ask lots of
questions, whether I'm an architect trying to hire you, or a client trying
to hire you.
As John Q. Public, I want something entirely different.
Design...I want my house, not yours. Yet, you need to be knowledgeable and
creative enough to keep me from making stupid mistakes. You also have to
give me what I want, within my budget.
Drafting...your plans have to be buildable. JQP is not an architect, and
does not understand all that is required by city, county and subdivisions,
you have to know all of that. It's your job to educate me along the way.
JQP does not want to get in the middle of a mess because you made a mistake
on the plans that the builder has to rip out and redesign in the field.
jojo
| |
|
|
"John" <johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net> wrote in message
news:nr_Rg.37227$R63.4224@pd7urf1no...
>
> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
> news:ef9ksh0194f@news3.newsguy.com...
> around
> do
>
>
>
> The lack of experience yes, and I do see Architects moving throughout
> cities
> to get the jobs gathered. When I said Muslce behind the overly expensive
> Architects; I'm being sarcastic and trying to say that they come up with
> the
> idea, we draft and tell them what can and cannot be done, simply because
> their too busy gathering jobs or meeting clients on the details which 'we'
> create. Not that they can't do the work themselves, it'd be a matter of
> time
> over money.
>
> When I say that I don't mind saying I'm an architect to the ladies. I
> simply
> mean that if they question me before I sleep with them, I can give them
> answers that will make them believe the 'fib' I am in the process of
> telling.
>
> Therefore, I am not an undercover architect who is simply hiding out in
> this
> position as a draftsman to slip the building groupies or the media. I am
> nothing more than a "Draftsman" who is trying to pimp himself out into the
> world of work, to gain knowledge which may later push me into the position
> of the all-mighty 'Architect'.
>
>
> --
> --
>
> --------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------
> JOHNNY
> Drafting Technician
> email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
> --------------------------------------
>
>
What you need to remember John is that architect has paid his dues...he has
sat in your shoes and been the nuts and bolts behind the design. He has been
the one to "make it work" and more that likely has "seen it all".
How can you design a complex structure and know in your heart that it will
work, without having made it work in the past? Yes, you may have to redesign
parts and pieces to get the structure buildable, but in doing so you must
maintain the design intent.
It is simply part of the learning process. Different architects have
different strengths as well. I personally am not a strong designer. My mind
is more analytical. I wear many many hats in my small firm, but my love is
and always will be the "nuts and bolts" of that house. There is an art to
Taking a design idea and making it a reality, without compromising the
design.
John, I think you have a chip on your should with regards to the "all-mighty
'Architect'". That needs to go away. You are a professional too. Act like
one. The architect must know methods and materials and structures and be
able to work through all of the "what if's". The architect has had plenty of
experience with working till 2 am to complete a project, only to have a
client change their mind the next day.
Grab every scrap of experience you can. Figuring it out and making it work
is all part of the learning process.
I'm quite happy when another architect gives me a napkin sketch and leaves
the rest to me. I certainly don't want him to sit down and figure it all out
for me.
I have heard so many times, "why would the architect give me a sketch like
this, the bath does not even work".
The architect give you an idea, and it is your job to bring it to reality.
There lies the relationship of confidence in you and your knowledge and
ability.
jojo
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|
|
|
|
"jojo" <cgv_2000@*remove your hat*yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eFaSg.4763$TV3.2571@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>
> "John" <johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net> wrote in message
> news:lE_Rg.37517$R63.24383@pd7urf1no...
> Hi Johnny....
> I want to see what that person understands. Yes, I want to see as complete
> a set of drawings as the person can produce. 2 years of experience can
> mean anything. Hell, I spent my first 2 years drawing site plans.
> Could not put a set together if you paid me. I certainly have to be open
> minded when I look at this level of experience.
>
> I've interviewed folks whose drawings were full of obvious mistakes
> (obvious to me, not to them). With only 2 years of experience, it is more
> about what potential that person has, not what they can do right now.
> Still, that person has to be organized with good basic drafting skills and
> a potential and drive to be and architect.
> If you do not want to be an architect, I will not hire you.
>
> In our firm, my goal when hiring you as an intern is that you "own" the
> projects. Once you get the project, it's yours. Planning, coordination,
> meetings, permitting, drafting, design revisions, all to final delivery of
> cd's. This takes time and training of course. Most firms in our area do
> not operate this way. Many with 3-5 years of experience have only done
> very basic site plans (someone else did it) or never coordinated with
> engineers (again, someone else's job).
> or don't have a clue as to what the framing engineering is supposed to
> look like. Many firms here break it down and an intern only gets to work
> on one part of the house. Imagine a 4-5 year degree in architecture to
> draw exterior elevations day after day after day.
>
> Sorry I digress....
> Did I answer your question?
> I don't understand your "stupid questioning" comment..I'm gonna ask lots
> of questions, whether I'm an architect trying to hire you, or a client
> trying to hire you.
>
> As John Q. Public, I want something entirely different.
> Design...I want my house, not yours. Yet, you need to be knowledgeable and
> creative enough to keep me from making stupid mistakes. You also have to
> give me what I want, within my budget.
> Drafting...your plans have to be buildable. JQP is not an architect, and
> does not understand all that is required by city, county and subdivisions,
> you have to know all of that. It's your job to educate me along the way.
> JQP does not want to get in the middle of a mess because you made a
> mistake on the plans that the builder has to rip out and redesign in the
> field.
>
> jojo
>
>
>
>
John,
Here is a link to a residential designers website. I don't know this guy,
but like what he did with the site.
jojo
http://www.rapid1.com/index.htm
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| Kris Krieger 2006-09-26, 1:25 pm |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
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> "Kris Krieger"> wrote
>
> I'm not surprised you're surprised.
> Its called, 'being outside the loop'.
True; I also admitted I may have completely misunderstood what he was
saying (I didn't recall seeing him claiming himself to be equivalent to
an architect or architectural designer). I am most definitely not
omniscient <g!> and thre are a lot of things that surprise me (mostly
because I'm strongly tend to explore new things, which keeps life
interesting and also means there is always a lot for me to learn).
> Every architect I have known, and there have been many, routinely does
> drafting work.
> The only exception to this are the ones that have specific dutys that
> are not related to the production end of the thing.
> My last *real* job had an architect whose sole function was to travel
> around the state gathering up large scale projects.
> He was an architect in name only but in the past he too did plenty of
> drafting work.
> I'd bet that in all of the smaller architecture businesses the
> architects do the drafting work.
OK, I understand better now. I was pretty certain that it (drafting)
was part of the educational requirements for architecture and
architectural design, but I'd had the idea (which I now know to be
wrong) that there were more multi-person/large offices than there are.
Live and learn - now I know more than I did yesterday
>
> Simply, Johns opinion is baseless possibly due to lack of experience
> (2 years).
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jojo wrote:
> "John" <johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net> wrote in message
> news:nr_Rg.37227$R63.4224@pd7urf1no...
> What you need to remember John is that architect has paid his dues...he has
> sat in your shoes and been the nuts and bolts behind the design. He has been
> the one to "make it work" and more that likely has "seen it all".
> How can you design a complex structure and know in your heart that it will
> work, without having made it work in the past? Yes, you may have to redesign
> parts and pieces to get the structure buildable, but in doing so you must
> maintain the design intent.
> It is simply part of the learning process. Different architects have
> different strengths as well. I personally am not a strong designer. My mind
> is more analytical. I wear many many hats in my small firm, but my love is
> and always will be the "nuts and bolts" of that house. There is an art to
> Taking a design idea and making it a reality, without compromising the
> design.
>
> John, I think you have a chip on your should with regards to the "all-mighty
> 'Architect'". That needs to go away. You are a professional too. Act like
> one. The architect must know methods and materials and structures and be
> able to work through all of the "what if's". The architect has had plenty of
> experience with working till 2 am to complete a project, only to have a
> client change their mind the next day.
> Grab every scrap of experience you can. Figuring it out and making it work
> is all part of the learning process.
> I'm quite happy when another architect gives me a napkin sketch and leaves
> the rest to me. I certainly don't want him to sit down and figure it all out
> for me.
>
> I have heard so many times, "why would the architect give me a sketch like
> this, the bath does not even work".
> The architect give you an idea, and it is your job to bring it to reality.
> There lies the relationship of confidence in you and your knowledge and
> ability.
>
> jojo
I think a lot of people with 2 years experience are a lot like
teenagers. They think they know everything and that the boss doesn't
know anything (or do anything). At two years one is yearning to
stretch one's wings. I think that's pretty normal. At 5 years you
start thinking "what was I thinking, I don't know anything". At 10
years you start thinking "you know, I'm pretty good at what I do but
there's a whole lot of other stuff out there I don't know anything
about". At 15 years you start thinking "man, there's got to be a
better way to make a living". At 20 years it's time for the midlife
crisis and the sports car. At 25 years you settle down. At 30 years
you start thinking "what the heck is wrong with all of the people with
just a couple of years experience who think they know everything".
Work, home, employees, kids. It's all basically the same thing, isn't
it?
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"Pat" <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote in message
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>
> jojo wrote:
>
> I think a lot of people with 2 years experience are a lot like
> teenagers. They think they know everything and that the boss doesn't
> know anything (or do anything). At two years one is yearning to
> stretch one's wings. I think that's pretty normal. At 5 years you
> start thinking "what was I thinking, I don't know anything". At 10
> years you start thinking "you know, I'm pretty good at what I do but
> there's a whole lot of other stuff out there I don't know anything
> about". At 15 years you start thinking "man, there's got to be a
> better way to make a living". At 20 years it's time for the midlife
> crisis and the sports car. At 25 years you settle down. At 30 years
> you start thinking "what the heck is wrong with all of the people with
> just a couple of years experience who think they know everything".
>
> Work, home, employees, kids. It's all basically the same thing, isn't
> it?
>
Oh pat...you are so right!
I'm at the 25 year mark...(20 year mark was a Harley instead of a sports
car)
;-)
Like with any old lady and teenager...I'm trying to get him to not waste any
time...
yet, that's a learning process too...
;-)
I hate being an old lady. ;-)
jojo
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| Kris Krieger 2006-09-26, 1:25 pm |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
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>
> "Kris Krieger" <me@dowmuff.in> wrote in message
> news:giSRg.6070$UG4.4555@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> No.
> A draftsman position is quite clear.
> No matter the locale, a horse is still a horse.
OK, I just thought they might use different titles in Canada.
> Neither do I play that silly gender game.
> The word *man* as in draftsman, is non gender specific.
That's what I'd think, but got used to all the PC newspeak while working
for the gov.t OTOH, sonce *some*one will bite your arse no matter what you
say, might as well use the right word to begin with...
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| Those are well edited pictures.. some of them like the church even got me
thinking it was hand-drawn.
So I will guess that Model's and Design drawings are a talent that you poses
much of.
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JOHNNY
Drafting Technician
email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
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"Pat" <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote in message
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>
> Don wrote:
>
> You've probably seen my playing:
>
> http://www.artisticphotography.us/ click an image for a larger
> version.
> also
> http://www.artisticphotography.us/Portraits/
>
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John wrote:
> Those are well edited pictures.. some of them like the church even got me
> thinking it was hand-drawn.
>
> So I will guess that Model's and Design drawings are a talent that you poses
> much of.
Nope. Can't draw to save my life. I can hold my own with a camera,
but I'm useless with a sketch pad.
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> --
>
> --------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------
> JOHNNY
> Drafting Technician
> email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
> --------------------------------------
>
>
> "Pat" <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote in message
> news:1159280351.549372.262820@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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| "jojo"> wrote
> I hate being an old lady. ;-)
You've heard it before, and its true.
You're as old as you feel.
Age is just a number.....
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| "Pat" <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote in message
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>
> John wrote:
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> Nope. Can't draw to save my life. I can hold my own with a camera,
> but I'm useless with a sketch pad.
>
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John wrote:
> "Pat" <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote in message
> news:1159320935.160204.73710@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> me
> poses
>
> Well even without the sketch pad, you did do a pretty convincing job on some
> of those images.
> If I didn't have a decently trained eye, and know a bit about ps I may not
> have even known.. The church as I was saying before was a damn convincing
> job.
I've had them in galleries and they freak people out because they can't
figure them out. The secret to confusing people is to NOT print them
on photo paper. I generally use canvas or drawing paper -- that helps
the illusion.
The two in portraits -- my son in football uniform and the guy in camo
are VERY good imitations of drawing -- in fact if you didn't know you
wouldn't know for the most part. The guy in camo was for a hunting
column he wrote for the paper. He got lots of comments and no one had
any idea it was a photo.
They're fun to do but I take a LOT of pictures. I'm down a bit now,
but I generally average about 1000 images a month. Thank goodness for
digital !!!
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| Warm Worm 2006-09-27, 3:26 am |
|
"Don"
> "Warm Worm"
>
> Well ya know, I have been falsely accused of, convicted of, sentenced for
> and paid the penalty for the illegal infraction John is bragging about so
> I am sort of sensitive to the idea of someone actually doing the crime.
>
> I know what injustice is firsthand and I'm advising the dood in my own
> particular way.
Fair enough. False accusations can be serious matters alright.
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| The setup was very nice. Not overly designed but just enough to get the
message across along with plenty of related links for associates in the
business for easy access.
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JOHNNY
Drafting Technician
email: johnny_blazer@safe-mail.net
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> "jojo" <cgv_2000@*remove your hat*yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> John,
>
> Here is a link to a residential designers website. I don't know this guy,
> but like what he did with the site.
>
> jojo
>
> http://www.rapid1.com/index.htm
>
>
>
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"John" <johnny_blazer@SAFe-mail.net> wrote in message
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> The setup was very nice. Not overly designed but just enough to get the
> message across along with plenty of related links for associates in the
> business for easy access.
plus is adequately showcases examples of their work, without "giving
anything away".
jojo
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