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| Diego F. Muņoz 2007-01-13, 5:25 pm |
| Can someone give me a few ideas on how to create a sophisticated 3d roof in
AutoCAD. I have different pitches, levels and dome roof.
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Thank you,
Diego F. Muņoz
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| 3D Peruna 2007-01-13, 8:25 pm |
| Diego F. Muņoz wrote:
> Can someone give me a few ideas on how to create a sophisticated 3d roof in
> AutoCAD. I have different pitches, levels and dome roof.
>
ADT or plain vanilla?
Personally, I've avoided using AutoCAD for complex roof designs because
it doesn't do them very well. You'd be better off getting Sketchup and
importing into AutoCAD.
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| des-sd@cox.net 2007-01-14, 3:25 am |
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3D Peruna wrote:
> Diego F. Mu=F1oz wrote:
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> ADT or plain vanilla?
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> Personally, I've avoided using AutoCAD for complex roof designs because
> it doesn't do them very well. You'd be better off getting Sketchup and
> importing into AutoCAD.
The post clearly asked about AutoCad. Not what software should I
convert to, you silly goose.
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| per.corell@privat.dk 2007-01-14, 1:25 pm |
| Hi
Diego F. Mu=F1oz wrote:
> Can someone give me a few ideas on how to create a sophisticated 3d roof =
in
> AutoCAD. I have different pitches, levels and dome roof.
>
> --
> Thank you,
>
> Diego F. Mu=F1oz
Now this answer tell you how to do this in AutoCAD -- see I even
spelled it right -- ,but it do not follow convensions , how things are
expected to be done, still if what you want is a reliable 3D drawing of
something that acturly can be build and want a complicated roof
construction to put up with no foults or impossible places , then there
are one method that allow just anythingm still if you are a rigid
minded builder who say "what we allready can do, is good enough " then
I am sorry as this ask you to open your mind and realise the vision .
Anyway take a look how this system involve the intire building
foundation structure, and remember that also with tradisional rigid
wood beam structure the rain will enter untill you cover the basic
structure ;
http://www.designcommunity.com/scra...images/2573.jpg
Now if you are interested I can post roofs in any form to show hoe any
roof form can be generated with this system , just remember that it is
just one material you need, sheet materials and please be prepared the
responses bound to come , that this is strange and new and not "as we
use to make it".
Still this method challance anything.
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| 3D Peruna 2007-01-14, 8:25 pm |
| des-sd@cox.net wrote:
> 3D Peruna wrote:
>
> The post clearly asked about AutoCad. Not what software should I
> convert to, you silly goose.
I answered the question, and I'll do it again: AUTOCAD SUCKS FOR
SOPHISTICATED ROOFS. I DON'T USE IT FOR THAT REASON.
I've got many years of 3D modeling experience. I got my start in 3D in
AutoCAD. I abandoned it quickly for BETTER software.
So, maybe it can do sophisticated roofs, I don't know because it's
crummy software for doing sophisticated roofs. I made a suggestion on
how to make the roof using DIFFERENT software because it will be easier
to do. You came looking for free advice, then insulted me when I told
you what I thought.
So, I'll repeat it again (I think this is the 3rd tim): Autocad doesn't
do sophisticated roofs without extreme pain.
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| Diego F. Muņoz 2007-01-15, 3:25 am |
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"3D Peruna" <wharold@weirdness.com> wrote in message
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> des-sd@cox.net wrote:
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> I answered the question, and I'll do it again: AUTOCAD SUCKS FOR
> SOPHISTICATED ROOFS. I DON'T USE IT FOR THAT REASON.
>
> I've got many years of 3D modeling experience. I got my start in 3D in
> AutoCAD. I abandoned it quickly for BETTER software.
>
> So, maybe it can do sophisticated roofs, I don't know because it's crummy
> software for doing sophisticated roofs. I made a suggestion on how to
> make the roof using DIFFERENT software because it will be easier to do.
> You came looking for free advice, then insulted me when I told you what I
> thought.
>
> So, I'll repeat it again (I think this is the 3rd tim): Autocad doesn't
> do sophisticated roofs without extreme pain.
>
I appreciate your advice and I will try to do some research on a faster and
easier 3D software. Just in case you are mistaking me for someone else I am
not the one who called you a silly goose.
Thank you and lets all try to get along.
Diego
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| Michael Bulatovich 2007-01-15, 9:25 am |
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"Diego F. Muņoz" <d.munoz1@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Can someone give me a few ideas on how to create a sophisticated 3d roof
> in
> AutoCAD. I have different pitches, levels and dome roof.
I'm going to try to answer, but the first thing to do is to decide what kind
entities are required to do the job. Domes are easy, of course: use a SPHERE
or REVSURF.
Rectangular flat sloping planes can easily be done with a LINE with
THICKNESS, once you've set up the UCS properly. A 3DFACE works without the
set up of the LINE approach but you have to know the coordinates of the
corners.
Warped planes and other types of shapes are trickier.
Your question is very general, but if you are just starting out,
manipulating POINT FILTERS, UCSs, VIEWs and even VPORTs is crucial to
success. I suggest you study the help on these topics, and repost in an
AutoCAD group.
(I have some little custom LISP routines that make some of these things
easier on my CAD webpages. One of them is specifically for pitched drawing
roofs, and holes in them.)
--
MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca
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| Diego F. Muņoz 2007-01-15, 9:25 am |
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"Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message
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> "Diego F. Muņoz" <d.munoz1@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:oTdqh.62899$9S6.53464@newsfe15.phx...
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> I'm going to try to answer, but the first thing to do is to decide what
> kind entities are required to do the job. Domes are easy, of course: use a
> SPHERE or REVSURF.
>
> Rectangular flat sloping planes can easily be done with a LINE with
> THICKNESS, once you've set up the UCS properly. A 3DFACE works without the
> set up of the LINE approach but you have to know the coordinates of the
> corners.
>
> Warped planes and other types of shapes are trickier.
>
> Your question is very general, but if you are just starting out,
> manipulating POINT FILTERS, UCSs, VIEWs and even VPORTs is crucial to
> success. I suggest you study the help on these topics, and repost in an
> AutoCAD group.
>
> (I have some little custom LISP routines that make some of these things
> easier on my CAD webpages. One of them is specifically for pitched drawing
> roofs, and holes in them.)
> --
>
>
> MichaelB
> www.michaelbulatovich.ca
>
>Thank you for your suggestion I tried using a solid box and then slicing it
>to the angle I need but I need to show an open ceiling or cathedral
>ceiling. I down loaded an plug-in for AutoCAD (Roof Builder Tools) but it
>does not work very well. Do you know any resources where I can find more
>info on how to use 3D faces and UCS, not just the basics but more advance
>use. I will study the stuff you have on your website.
Thank you,
Diego
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| Michael Bulatovich 2007-01-15, 1:25 pm |
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"Diego F. Muņoz" <d.munoz1@cox.net> wrote in message
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> "Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message
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If you need to model the interior as well as the exterior, then solids are
not for you.
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> I down loaded an plug-in for AutoCAD (Roof Builder Tools) but it
3DFACES are pretty simple things, so the basics is all there is. The help
file will tell you everything you need to know about using UCS, if you are
patient.
--
MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca
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| 3D Peruna 2007-01-15, 1:25 pm |
| Michael Bulatovich wrote:
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> 3DFACES are pretty simple things, so the basics is all there is. The help
> file will tell you everything you need to know about using UCS, if you are
> patient.
AutoCAD is still a royal pain to use for building roofs... Sketchup
really might be the trick. The real program for building complex
interior roofs is HOK's defunct drawVision. That was the BEST program
for building complex models (but you had to build them polygon by
polygon...still a great piece of software).
You could also try
http://www.gehrytechnologies.com/products-designer.html - I've never
seen it in person, or used it, and it seems terribly expensive
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| Michael Bulatovich 2007-01-15, 1:25 pm |
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"3D Peruna" <wharold@weirdness.com> wrote in message
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> Michael Bulatovich wrote:
>
>
> AutoCAD is still a royal pain to use for building roofs... Sketchup
> really might be the trick. The real program for building complex interior
> roofs is HOK's defunct drawVision. That was the BEST program for building
> complex models (but you had to build them polygon by polygon...still a
> great piece of software).
>
> You could also try
> http://www.gehrytechnologies.com/products-designer.html - I've never seen
> it in person, or used it, and it seems terribly expensive
So that's what he does with those fees.
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| "Michael Bulatovich"> wrote
> Your question is very general, but if you are just starting out,
> manipulating POINT FILTERS, UCSs, VIEWs and even VPORTs is crucial to
> success. I suggest you study the help on these topics, and repost in an
> AutoCAD group.
I'll mention that AutoCAD has its own news server with all sorts of groups
with *specialists* on them that are quite capable of answering just about
any question.
Just watch out for that one dood that chastizes everyone for having not
upgraded to the most recent release. LOL
I don't have that server loaded on this machine so I can't say what it is
called, perhaps someone else here knows what it is.
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| "3D Peruna"> wrote
> You could also try
> http://www.gehrytechnologies.com/products-designer.html - I've never seen
> it in person, or used it, and it seems terribly expensive
I've seen that in the warez groups in days gone by and it is a HUGE
download.
No, I didn't grab it.
I'm quite capable of wadding foil and throwing it in the corner without
software assistance, thank you.
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| per.corell@privat.dk 2007-01-16, 8:25 pm |
| Hi
3D Peruna wrote:
> Michael Bulatovich wrote:
>
>
> AutoCAD is still a royal pain to use for building roofs... Sketchup
> really might be the trick. The real program for building complex
> interior roofs is HOK's defunct drawVision. That was the BEST program
> for building complex models (but you had to build them polygon by
> polygon...still a great piece of software).
>
> You could also try
> http://www.gehrytechnologies.com/products-designer.html - I've never
> seen it in person, or used it, and it seems terribly expensive
True --- then you just need a craftsman with two hands and a jigsaw,
someone who can read the numbers on the paper drawing -- that is case
the parts have been processed to be flat on the ucs or in other way's
prepared to be made.
See this is what I find so fun about it, architects can draw utopia and
deliver that drawing as if this deliver innovation and newthinking, the
CAD drawings still is finished when there are a few solids to show the
form still, --- wasn't this about engaging the intire process, deliver
some new tools , not just display something as how it will look
finished on a screen , nomatter how refined the rendering calculations
are that do not deliver even the old-fasion works drawings ; do it make
sense when the craftsman then have to look at the drawing and fiddle
from the math. perfect 3D drawing ? Realy I hardly call it progress.
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