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The 20'x20' saga, ASSESSMENT.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2007-01-14, 5:25 pm |
| You regular readers to Alt.Arky know Tucker
planted a nice little 20x20 cabin in a peaceful
little corner of BC (British Columbia).
My little sub-division is rated Residential 1
but has no water or sewers, so the R1 rating
is kind of dumb, it's really recreational.
We received a notice of assessment for our
little 20x20 building, that has no basement,
no cable, no water, no sewers, not even a
sloped roof, just flat PVC on the top, has only
1/2" plywood exterior stained on 2x4 walls.
Guess what the govmint worker assesses our
building to be worth.
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Did I hear $20,000...more.
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Did I hear $40,000...more
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If you said $80,000 you're a bit low!
~ $85,000 for just the 20x20 building, land tax is extra!
(Land values are skyrocketing in this neighbourhood,
so I'm ok with them boosting it ~3X in 5 years, it's
nutz though).
Materials+Septic were ~ $15k, so that means wife and
I did $70k of work.
I'll ask you Professional Architects (and Don:-), how
much labor "$" content is foreseen in a 20x20x10
flat roof job with a modest (average) interior?
What is the ratio of materials to labor in an house
built to mid-class average stanards, nothing fancy.
Regards, TIA
Ken & Lynne
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> What is the ratio of materials to labor in an house
> built to mid-class average stanards, nothing fancy.
From what I've seen its about 1:1.
That is, if you spend $15k for materials the labor will cost $15k too.
This isn't scientific, just an observation.
$85k for just the box eh?
Makes you wanna go get a gun doesn't it?
Maybe some t*rr*r*sts show go down there and apply for a permit.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2007-01-14, 8:25 pm |
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Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
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> From what I've seen its about 1:1.
> That is, if you spend $15k for materials the labor will cost $15k too.
> This isn't scientific, just an observation.
Me too.
> $85k for just the box eh?
I stand corrected, it's >$80k for the box, <$85k.
I'll snail mail you a copy Don, no sweat, and you
can post that pathetic document from the canuckistani
govmint, running amok, too prove why BC is NOT
a good place to invest, BC is seriously fucked up.
I want my kid's to get out and move to the USA.
> Makes you wanna go get a gun doesn't it?
Many years ago, my Old Boy, who was veteran of
WW2, and in the intel business told me that if Hitler
won WW2 it wouldn't make a difference to my life.
Given modern Germany, it would probably have
been better if the canuckistani's had lost the war.
> Maybe some t*rr*r*sts show go down there and apply for a permit.
We just drove across Washington State via
Hwy 20, man it was gorgeous. All the trees
shimmered in white in the sun, felt like heaven.
The recent storms deposited thick layers of
ice and snow on them. We watched the weather
and took the break while a High pressure system
releaved the state for a sunny period, we got lucky.
When passing though US Custom's the fellows
pulled us over for an identity check, then apologized
for doing so! I told him our country's are at war
and every thing we can do to help him rest easy
is fine with us. We don't care if it takes the fellow
a few hours to check us out, the important thing
is, he goes to bed knowing he protected America,
and can sleep restfully.
If you ask me, canuckistani govmint workers are
stupid and lax, using a pretension to detail to
justify their positions, and, are in effect, the
greatest hinderess to development, ie. canucks
rank ~ mississippi in income. corruption is
rampant, canucks could learn a thing or two from
the fine govmint of New Orleans.
I definitely favor America guarding it's borders!
Ken S. Tucker
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> I definitely favor America guarding it's borders!
I see all sorts of problems in that sentence, but I'll just mention this one
thing.
I don't believe in *borders*.
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| Pierre Levesque 2007-01-15, 1:25 pm |
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"Don" <creative1986@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
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> I see all sorts of problems in that sentence, but I'll just mention this
> one thing.
> I don't believe in *borders*.
Ken has no idea of what it would be like to live here in the U.S. He keeps
crying Canuckistan but in the end, with the simple life and wages he appears
to have chosen, if he came here he'd be 10X more poor, would have no medical
coverage at all, would be looking at a dollar that is in a global freefall
and most of all would realize that the freedoms he so cherishes are all
smoke and mirrors.
What he really needs is a deserted island... which he has (sort of). He has
no idea of how well he has it in his 20X20
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| 3D Peruna 2007-01-15, 1:25 pm |
| Pierre Levesque wrote:
> "Don" <creative1986@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ken has no idea of what it would be like to live here in the U.S. He keeps
> crying Canuckistan but in the end, with the simple life and wages he appears
> to have chosen, if he came here he'd be 10X more poor, would have no medical
> coverage at all, would be looking at a dollar that is in a global freefall
> and most of all would realize that the freedoms he so cherishes are all
> smoke and mirrors.
Our health care costs are the result of government stupdity: The tax
structure and medicaid/medicare. Both serve to suppress the market from
setting prices where they should be. Universal healthcare is far from
the answer.
Ask most people who get "free" healthcare how they like it. (As an
interesting aside, I saw a short bit of Benny Hill on BBC America the
other night. It was a show produced in the 70's. They were mocking the
state run health system 30 years ago there...so I can imagine what shape
it's in today).
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"3D Peruna" <wharold@weirdness.com> wrote in message
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> Pierre Levesque wrote:
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> Our health care costs are the result of government stupdity: The tax
> structure and medicaid/medicare. Both serve to suppress the market from
> setting prices where they should be. Universal healthcare is far from the
> answer.
>
> Ask most people who get "free" healthcare how they like it. (As an
> interesting aside, I saw a short bit of Benny Hill on BBC America the
> other night. It was a show produced in the 70's. They were mocking the
> state run health system 30 years ago there...so I can imagine what shape
> it's in today).
>
Better than ours. My younger daughter lived in UK for 8 years. Her boyfriend
strangled her and she was in a coma in intensive care for 10 days, until we
allowed them to pull the plug so her organs could be used. The care was
incredibly good and loving. The staff and doctors great. The cost was
nothing. In the USA I would have been financially ruined. We shall forever
grateful for the care they gave her and us. I would be happy to see as good
a system here.
EDS
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| Michael Bulatovich 2007-01-15, 1:25 pm |
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"eds" <snowed@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "3D Peruna" <wharold@weirdness.com> wrote in message
> news:WEOqh.23$9U2.18@newsfe05.lga...
> Better than ours. My younger daughter lived in UK for 8 years. Her
> boyfriend strangled her and she was in a coma in intensive care for 10
> days, until we allowed them to pull the plug so her organs could be used.
> The care was incredibly good and loving. The staff and doctors great. The
> cost was nothing. In the USA I would have been financially ruined. We
> shall forever grateful for the care they gave her and us. I would be happy
> to see as good a system here.
> EDS
Canadians who haven't traveled like to complain about our system. I won't.
--
MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca
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| Pierre Levesque 2007-01-15, 5:25 pm |
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"3D Peruna" <wharold@weirdness.com> wrote in message
news:WEOqh.23$9U2.18@newsfe05.lga...
> Pierre Levesque wrote:
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> Our health care costs are the result of government stupdity: The tax
> structure and medicaid/medicare. Both serve to suppress the market from
> setting prices where they should be. Universal healthcare is far from the
> answer.
I don't disagree completely. That's because I have my own healthcare that I
pay for dearly. I'm sure you have your own as well. However, millions have
NONE. In Ken's Canuckistan, folks just like those here who have NONE have
complete coverage. Yes, they have to wait in emergency rooms for hours
sometimes but they get the care they need. I have many blue collar family
members in Quebec who rely on the healthcare to get the service and
medication they get. One aunt in particular has been getting complete
chemotherapy treatments for a cancer she would have otherwise have not been
able to afford or received here in the states. In those and other cases
like that, there is no argument.
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> Ask most people who get "free" healthcare how they like it. (As an
> interesting aside, I saw a short bit of Benny Hill on BBC America the
> other night. It was a show produced in the 70's. They were mocking the
> state run health system 30 years ago there...so I can imagine what shape
> it's in today).
>
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| "Pierre Levesque"> wrote
> "Don"> wrote
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> Ken has no idea of what it would be like to live here in the U.S. He
> keeps crying Canuckistan but in the end, with the simple life and wages he
> appears to have chosen, if he came here he'd be 10X more poor, would have
> no medical coverage at all, would be looking at a dollar that is in a
> global freefall and most of all would realize that the freedoms he so
> cherishes are all smoke and mirrors.
>
> What he really needs is a deserted island... which he has (sort of). He
> has no idea of how well he has it in his 20X20
Agreed.
The grass isn't always greener.
(I have to bite my tongue everytime he mentions his congeniality to the jack
booted thugs)
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| "3D Peruna"> wrote
> Our health care costs are the result of government stupdity: The tax
> structure and medicaid/medicare. Both serve to suppress the market from
> setting prices where they should be. Universal healthcare is far from the
> answer.
>
> Ask most people who get "free" healthcare how they like it. (As an
> interesting aside, I saw a short bit of Benny Hill on BBC America the
> other night. It was a show produced in the 70's. They were mocking the
> state run health system 30 years ago there...so I can imagine what shape
> it's in today).
I don't like insurance and only carry what the law requires.
Its a pyramind scheme.
Everybody pays a *little* and some get alot.
I don't play that shit.
I expect the whole thing to fail in the future, maybe when the boomers come
into geriatric fruition.
Medical insurance is abused beyond belief.
I know of people that go to a medical facility at the drop of a hat just
because they have insurance.
I tend to avoid such places for they are full of sick and injured people.
Birds of a feather and all that...........
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| Ken S. Tucker 2007-01-16, 1:25 pm |
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eds wrote:
> "3D Peruna" <wharold@weirdness.com> wrote in message
> news:WEOqh.23$9U2.18@newsfe05.lga...
> Better than ours. My younger daughter lived in UK for 8 years. Her boyfriend
> strangled her and she was in a coma in intensive care for 10 days, until we
> allowed them to pull the plug so her organs could be used. The care was
> incredibly good and loving. The staff and doctors great. The cost was
> nothing. In the USA I would have been financially ruined. We shall forever
> grateful for the care they gave her and us. I would be happy to see as good
> a system here.
> EDS
Very sorry to hear that Eds, could there be a net
reference about that murder? I really do not want
to bother you with painful memories, unless you
want to discuss it.
Either way Our Sympathies.
Ken & Lynne
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| Ken S. Tucker 2007-01-19, 1:25 pm |
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Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
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> I see all sorts of problems in that sentence, but I'll just mention this one
> thing.
> I don't believe in *borders*.
Had a laff this AM,
The US has decided to let snowbird's LEAVE
the country even without a passport. I did a
double take.
http://winnipegsun.com/News/Canada/...19/3407159.html
What's the option? A bunch of old ladies with
suit-cases living in the airport for months waiting
for canuck passports.
What about illegal immigrants who want to
go home? The US might make them stay!
Ken
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| Ken S. Tucker 2007-01-20, 8:25 pm |
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Michael Bulatovich wrote:
> "eds" <snowed@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:CuednShvUP96WzbYnZ2dnUVZ_ternZ2d@comcast.com...
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> Canadians who haven't traveled like to complain about our system. I won't.
Standby MikeB, don't take this personal.
Your attitude sucks.
I'm a productivity consultant, moving billions
is a no-brainer. When a system is imperfect,
I improve it, your dumb-XXX attitude of shutting
up, I quote "I won't" sucks. Well if everyone
did that, how would the "SYSTEM" improve?
MikeB, I like your friendship, but to keep that
shall I shut-up when I see so many wrongs?
If you want to be a leader, (all 6' 4" of ya),
would you recommend putting on blinders.
HELL NO.
Examine the picture and attack the wrongs,
and constantly improve THE SYSTEM you
and my kids will inherit.
Never say "I won't",,,,,,complain.
Better is to get pro-active.
I thought this post through for 3 days.
Ken
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> MichaelB
> www.michaelbulatovich.ca
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| Michael Bulatovich 2007-01-20, 9:25 pm |
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"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
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> Michael Bulatovich wrote:
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> Standby MikeB, don't take this personal.
> Your attitude sucks.
> I'm a productivity consultant, moving billions
> is a no-brainer. When a system is imperfect,
> I improve it, your dumb-XXX attitude of shutting
> up, I quote "I won't" sucks. Well if everyone
> did that, how would the "SYSTEM" improve?
> MikeB, I like your friendship, but to keep that
> shall I shut-up when I see so many wrongs?
> If you want to be a leader, (all 6' 4" of ya),
> would you recommend putting on blinders.
> HELL NO.
>
> Examine the picture and attack the wrongs,
> and constantly improve THE SYSTEM you
> and my kids will inherit.
> Never say "I won't",,,,,,complain.
> Better is to get pro-active.
>
> I thought this post through for 3 days.
> Ken
I'm not saying I won't criticize it, and I'm not saying that it's perfect,
but it is pretty amazing in the context of a world full of places where if
you're broke, your life isn't worth saving. In that context, I'm not
complaining. You can be flat broke here, and if you get leprosy, they'll
give you what you need to beat it. It has enormous repercussions for a
society, most of them very positive, IMHO.
I feel the same way about people living in the first world, with above
average income *in their society*, who complain about how much they can't
have, when they already have so much more than most. Seeing real deprivation
up close usually stops that.
Don't worry about disagreeing with me on anything, Ken. It's another
(amazing) privilege we enjoy in Kanuckistan.
--
MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca
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| "Michael Bulatovich"> wrote
> but it is pretty amazing in the context of a world full of places where if
> you're broke, your life isn't worth saving.
Thats powerful stuff.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2007-01-21, 5:25 pm |
| MikeB don't take this personal...
>Michael Bulatovich wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
> news:1169344587.538589.8600@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
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> I'm not saying I won't criticize it, and I'm not saying that it's perfect,
> but it is pretty amazing in the context of a world full of places where if
> you're broke, your life isn't worth saving. In that context, I'm not
> complaining.
"Context", 50 Dead from SARS, 5000 poisoned in
Walkerton, with likely 100;s dead, Guy Paul Moran
framed by POOP (Prov Of Ont Police), in all of these
cases there is NO ACCOUNTABILTY. The leading
theory is Jessop was killed by a POOP, and the
POOP knew that and tried to pin her murder on Guy,
meanwhile, the killer get's off free, with the POOP
claiming the track is cold, where's that murderer?
((My daughter was the same age as Christine)).
What you probably do not know is the canuck
politicians have US health insurance as part of
their expense account.
BUT MikeB says, " I'm not complaining."
In the US you pay ~ $2000 for health insurance,
but in canuckistan it's hidden in SIN taxes, income
tax etc. to ~$4000, of which $2000 is corrupt and
maybe $2000 gets back to the health care system.
BUT MikeB says, " I'm not complaining."
Typical canuck, has no say anyway,can't vote
on the issue, so what's the point of complaining?
The problems are systemic and the good citizen
has no input, yet pays money and has nothing
to be accountable, no say whatsoever.
I'm keeping up my US health insurance payments!
Ken
> You can be flat broke here, and if you get leprosy, they'll
> give you what you need to beat it. It has enormous repercussions for a
> society, most of them very positive, IMHO.
>
> I feel the same way about people living in the first world, with above
> average income *in their society*, who complain about how much they can't
> have, when they already have so much more than most. Seeing real deprivation
> up close usually stops that.
>
> Don't worry about disagreeing with me on anything, Ken. It's another
> (amazing) privilege we enjoy in Kanuckistan.
> --
>
>
> MichaelB
> www.michaelbulatovich.ca
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| Michael Bulatovich 2007-01-22, 3:25 am |
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"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
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> MikeB don't take this personal...
Don't worry already...
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> "Context", 50 Dead from SARS
Yeah that was tough, but I wonder how well any other place would have done.
> 5000 poisoned in
> Walkerton, with likely 100;s dead,
Now you're not talking about health care anymore
> Guy Paul Moran
> framed by POOP (Prov Of Ont Police),
Not the only innocent guy screwed by a flawed system.
> in all of these
> cases there is NO ACCOUNTABILTY. The leading
> theory is Jessop was killed by a POOP, and the
> POOP knew that and tried to pin her murder on Guy,
> meanwhile, the killer get's off free, with the POOP
> claiming the track is cold, where's that murderer?
> ((My daughter was the same age as Christine)).
>
> What you probably do not know is the canuck
> politicians have US health insurance as part of
> their expense account.
>
> BUT MikeB says, " I'm not complaining."
>
> In the US you pay ~ $2000 for health insurance,
> but in canuckistan it's hidden in SIN taxes, income
> tax etc. to ~$4000, of which $2000 is corrupt and
> maybe $2000 gets back to the health care system.
>
> BUT MikeB says, " I'm not complaining."
>
> Typical canuck, has no say anyway,can't vote
> on the issue, so what's the point of complaining?
> The problems are systemic and the good citizen
> has no input, yet pays money and has nothing
> to be accountable, no say whatsoever.
> I'm keeping up my US health insurance payments!
> Ken
It's your right.
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That is not true.
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