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Pat

2007-01-18, 1:25 pm

I was just reading something and thought I would share this will the
all of the intelligencia. It is a new corporate motto for you:

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes

or-

Si hoc non legere potes tu asinus es -

===============================

The first one essentialls says 'if you can read this, you're
overeducated.'
The second one says "If you can't read this, you're an XXX"

Frankly, I think the first one would be a GREAT bumper sticker for all
of your Volvos.

Michael Bulatovich

2007-01-18, 8:25 pm

I've never driven a Volvo newer than a 1971 142E.

--


MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca

"Pat" <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote in message
news:1169145375.079397.33680@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>I was just reading something and thought I would share this will the
> all of the intelligencia. It is a new corporate motto for you:
>
> Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
>
> or-
>
> Si hoc non legere potes tu asinus es -
>
> ===============================
>
> The first one essentialls says 'if you can read this, you're
> overeducated.'
> The second one says "If you can't read this, you're an XXX"
>
> Frankly, I think the first one would be a GREAT bumper sticker for all
> of your Volvos.
>



Bob Morrison

2007-01-18, 8:25 pm

In a previous post Michael Bulatovich wrote...
> I've never driven a Volvo newer than a 1971 142E
>


Oops! Mine was a 1972 145E

--
Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA
bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com
RicodJour

2007-01-19, 3:25 am

Bob Morrison wrote:
> In a previous post Michael Bulatovich wrote...
>
> Oops! Mine was a 1972 145E


Always playing the one-upsmanship game, Bob...tsk, tsk, tsk. ;)

R

Michael Bulatovich

2007-01-19, 9:25 am

One *up*, Rico? The 142E was Bosch fuel-injected, with an 11.3:1 compression
ratio, Girling disks all around, 2-door sedan with a 4-speed direct-shift
tranny, electronic overdrive, and leather. I installed the after market
suspension, 4 additional Cibie fogs and driving lamps and used to astound 4
wheel-drive tow truck operators how far into abandoned logging roads it
would penetrate.

Bob was driving a *station wagon* ; }
--


MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca

"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
news:1169183186.661542.219370@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Bob Morrison wrote:
>
> Always playing the one-upsmanship game, Bob...tsk, tsk, tsk. ;)
>
> R
>



Bob Morrison

2007-01-19, 1:25 pm

In a previous post Michael Bulatovich wrote...
> One *up*, Rico? The 142E was Bosch fuel-injected, with an 11.3:1 compression
> ratio, Girling disks all around, 2-door sedan with a 4-speed direct-shift
> tranny, electronic overdrive, and leather. I installed the after market
> suspension, 4 additional Cibie fogs and driving lamps and used to astound 4
> wheel-drive tow truck operators how far into abandoned logging roads it
> would penetrate.
>
> Bob was driving a *station wagon* ; }
>


Yep! I admit it. The 145E was a station wagon. It would get pretty far
off the road too. I once hauled myself, 4 friends, 5 backpacks and a dog
from the Paysaten Wilderness (north central Washington State) to Seattle.

That car was a beast! and not too bad of a truck either.

After one particularly outstanding trip to major outdoor BBQ party in
Eastern Washington the car became known as the "Vomit Comet". The reasons
should be obvious.

--
Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA
bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com
Don

2007-01-19, 1:25 pm

"Bob Morrison"> wrote
> In a previous post Michael Bulatovich wrote...
>
> Yep! I admit it. The 145E was a station wagon. It would get pretty far
> off the road too. I once hauled myself, 4 friends, 5 backpacks and a dog
> from the Paysaten Wilderness (north central Washington State) to Seattle.
>
> That car was a beast! and not too bad of a truck either.


Admit hell, thats sumfink to be proud of!
I likes me sum station wagonz.
In fact, I learned how to drive in a station wagon when I was 15.
It was a 1965 Chevy Bellaire with a 396 4 bbl and a 4 speed, fire engine
red.
Thats right, a 4 speed with a HEAVY duty clutch.
Had bucket seats in front with a console and the Super Sport dashboard.
I could get rubber in 3 gears and a slight squeak in 4th.
By the mid 70's it was pretty well worn out and my dad was using it as a
makeshift truck to haul stuff around.


Ken S. Tucker

2007-01-19, 1:25 pm


Don wrote:
> "Bob Morrison"> wrote
>
> Admit hell, thats sumfink to be proud of!
> I likes me sum station wagonz.
> In fact, I learned how to drive in a station wagon when I was 15.
> It was a 1965 Chevy Bellaire with a 396 4 bbl and a 4 speed, fire engine
> red.
> Thats right, a 4 speed with a HEAVY duty clutch.
> Had bucket seats in front with a console and the Super Sport dashboard.
> I could get rubber in 3 gears and a slight squeak in 4th.
> By the mid 70's it was pretty well worn out and my dad was using it as a
> makeshift truck to haul stuff around.


Damn you're gutsy, I learned to drive in a
3 speed 65 string-ray, 327. The guy squealed
big in 1st, nice in 2nd and laid a bit of rubber
going to 3rd. Scared the poop out of me.
I'm a little old lady driver, no accidents, even
with airplanes.
For Don & his Dad.........

HOT ROD LINCOLN
My pappy said, 'Son, you're gonna drive me t' drinkin' ...
If you don't quit drivin' that - Hot ... Rod ... Lincoln!'

Well, you've heard the story of the hot rod race,
When the Ford and the Mercury were settin' the pace.
That story's true I'm here to say,
Cause I was a'drivin' that Model A.

It's got a Lincoln motor and it's really souped up;
That Model A body makes it look like a pup.
It's got 12 cylinders and uses them all;
And an overdrive that just won't stall.

It's got a 4-barrel carb and dual exhausts,
4:11 gears that really get lost -
Safety tubes and I'm not scared,
The brakes are good and the tires are fair.

We left San Pedro late one night;
The moon and the stars were shinin' bright.
We were drivin' up Grapevine Hill,
Passin' cars like they were standin' still.

Then, all of a sudden, in the wink of an eye,
a Cadillac sedan passed us by.
The remark was made, "That's the car for me."
But, by then, the taillights wuz all you could see.

Well, the fellers ribbed me for bein' behind,
So I started to make that Lincoln unwind.
Took my foot off the gas and, man alive,
I shoved it down into overdrive.

Well, I wound it up to 110;
Twisted the speedometer cable right off the end.
Had my foot glued right to the floor;
I said, "That's all there is - there ain't no more."

Now the fellas thought I'd lost all sense;
The telephone poles looked like a picket fence.
They said, "Slow down, I see spots."
The lines on the road just looked like dots.

Went around a corner and passed a truck;
I crossed my fingers just for luck -
The fenders clickin' the guard rail post;
The guy beside me was white as a ghost.

Smoke was rollin' outta the back
When I started to gain on that Cadillac
I knew I could catch him and hoped I could pass
But when I did I'd be short on gas.

There were flames comin' from out of the side;
You could feel the tension; man, what a ride.
I said, "Look out, boys, I've got a license to fly"
And the Cadillac pulled over and let me by.

All of a sudden a rod started knockin';
Down in the depths she started a rockin'.
I looked in the mirror and a red light was blinkin';
The cops was after my Hot Rod Lincoln.

Well they arrested me and put me in jail.
I called my pop to make my bail.
He said, "Son, you're gonna drive me t' drinkin',
If you don't quit drivin' that - Hot ... Rod ... Lincoln!"

Don's in Jail :-) (or should have been)...
Ken

Michael Bulatovich

2007-01-19, 1:25 pm


"Don" <creative1986@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:12r22nc2to6v2b@news.supernews.com...
> "Bob Morrison"> wrote
>
> Admit hell, thats sumfink to be proud of!
> I likes me sum station wagonz.
> In fact, I learned how to drive in a station wagon when I was 15.
> It was a 1965 Chevy Bellaire with a 396 4 bbl and a 4 speed, fire engine
> red.
> Thats right, a 4 speed with a HEAVY duty clutch.
> Had bucket seats in front with a console and the Super Sport dashboard.
> I could get rubber in 3 gears and a slight squeak in 4th.
> By the mid 70's it was pretty well worn out and my dad was using it as a
> makeshift truck to haul stuff around.


I'm driving a VW Passat Diesel Wagon now. Fits four players with bags and
sticks, plus driver, and still feels like a car.
--


MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca


Michael Bulatovich

2007-01-19, 1:25 pm

Commander Cody and his Lost Planet Airmen?

"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
news:1169232277.969860.219360@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com...
>
> Don wrote:
>
> Damn you're gutsy, I learned to drive in a
> 3 speed 65 string-ray, 327. The guy squealed
> big in 1st, nice in 2nd and laid a bit of rubber
> going to 3rd. Scared the poop out of me.
> I'm a little old lady driver, no accidents, even
> with airplanes.
> For Don & his Dad.........
>
> HOT ROD LINCOLN
> My pappy said, 'Son, you're gonna drive me t' drinkin' ...
> If you don't quit drivin' that - Hot ... Rod ... Lincoln!'
>
> Well, you've heard the story of the hot rod race,
> When the Ford and the Mercury were settin' the pace.
> That story's true I'm here to say,
> Cause I was a'drivin' that Model A.
>
> It's got a Lincoln motor and it's really souped up;
> That Model A body makes it look like a pup.
> It's got 12 cylinders and uses them all;
> And an overdrive that just won't stall.
>
> It's got a 4-barrel carb and dual exhausts,
> 4:11 gears that really get lost -
> Safety tubes and I'm not scared,
> The brakes are good and the tires are fair.
>
> We left San Pedro late one night;
> The moon and the stars were shinin' bright.
> We were drivin' up Grapevine Hill,
> Passin' cars like they were standin' still.
>
> Then, all of a sudden, in the wink of an eye,
> a Cadillac sedan passed us by.
> The remark was made, "That's the car for me."
> But, by then, the taillights wuz all you could see.
>
> Well, the fellers ribbed me for bein' behind,
> So I started to make that Lincoln unwind.
> Took my foot off the gas and, man alive,
> I shoved it down into overdrive.
>
> Well, I wound it up to 110;
> Twisted the speedometer cable right off the end.
> Had my foot glued right to the floor;
> I said, "That's all there is - there ain't no more."
>
> Now the fellas thought I'd lost all sense;
> The telephone poles looked like a picket fence.
> They said, "Slow down, I see spots."
> The lines on the road just looked like dots.
>
> Went around a corner and passed a truck;
> I crossed my fingers just for luck -
> The fenders clickin' the guard rail post;
> The guy beside me was white as a ghost.
>
> Smoke was rollin' outta the back
> When I started to gain on that Cadillac
> I knew I could catch him and hoped I could pass
> But when I did I'd be short on gas.
>
> There were flames comin' from out of the side;
> You could feel the tension; man, what a ride.
> I said, "Look out, boys, I've got a license to fly"
> And the Cadillac pulled over and let me by.
>
> All of a sudden a rod started knockin';
> Down in the depths she started a rockin'.
> I looked in the mirror and a red light was blinkin';
> The cops was after my Hot Rod Lincoln.
>
> Well they arrested me and put me in jail.
> I called my pop to make my bail.
> He said, "Son, you're gonna drive me t' drinkin',
> If you don't quit drivin' that - Hot ... Rod ... Lincoln!"
>
> Don's in Jail :-) (or should have been)...
> Ken
>



Don

2007-01-19, 5:25 pm

"Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> Damn you're gutsy, I learned to drive in a
> 3 speed 65 string-ray, 327. The guy squealed
> big in 1st, nice in 2nd and laid a bit of rubber
> going to 3rd. Scared the poop out of me.
> I'm a little old lady driver, no accidents, even
> with airplanes.
> For Don & his Dad.........
>
> HOT ROD LINCOLN
> My pappy said, 'Son, you're gonna drive me t' drinkin' ...
> If you don't quit drivin' that - Hot ... Rod ... Lincoln!'

.... Rod ... Lincoln!"
>
> Don's in Jail :-) (or should have been)...
> Ken


LOL, was it mere coincidence, or fate?
My dads first car was a 39 Lincoln and he was a holy terror with it and as a
kid the stories were told frequently.
He could hardly complain when 23 years later his 1st born namesake followed
in his footsteps.
I was arrested twice for drag racing when I was 16 (wreckless driving,
willful and wanton) and my dad bailed me both times.
Many speeding tickets, breaking traction, etc. and wrecked a few times too.
(I learned mechanics and body work in my teens)
By the time I was 19 I was the traffic scourge of Lee County.
4 years in the army cured me of them ways and I've been a good boy ever
since.
When does the 2nd childhood start? LOL

65' vette huh? You lucky duckbutter.......
Coupe or Fastback?
Oh, gasp, convertible?


Don

2007-01-19, 5:25 pm

I like that guitar work.
Its a hybrid version of chicken-pickin and and twang.
In your face and no room for errors.

"Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message
news:eor40q01lju@news3.newsguy.com...
> Commander Cody and his Lost Planet Airmen?
>
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
> news:1169232277.969860.219360@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com...
>
>



Don

2007-01-19, 5:25 pm

"Michael Bulatovich"> wrote
> I'm driving a VW Passat Diesel Wagon now. Fits four players with bags and
> sticks, plus driver, and still feels like a car.


So are Vee Dubz the arkt-tex cars of the 21st century?
I think Pierre has one too.

Back in 1980 my sister bought a brand new VW Scirocco and I swear it was the
nicest car I ever drove.
Tight, accurate and quality built.
A splendid german engineered machine.


TheRebarGuy

2007-01-19, 5:25 pm


"Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message
news:eor40q01lju@news3.newsguy.com...
> Commander Cody and his Lost Planet Airmen?
>



They did a cover version, the original was written and sung by Charlie Ryan.


3D Peruna

2007-01-19, 5:25 pm

Don wrote:
> "Michael Bulatovich"> wrote
>
> So are Vee Dubz the arkt-tex cars of the 21st century?
> I think Pierre has one too.
>
> Back in 1980 my sister bought a brand new VW Scirocco and I swear it was the
> nicest car I ever drove.
> Tight, accurate and quality built.
> A splendid german engineered machine.


We've got a 2003 Passat. 1.8T with Tiptronic. It's a blast to drive...

When we bought it, we test drove all the cars in the same class/price
range. We started with the Passat... The dealer told us "don't bother
going anywhere else, you'll be back." The American cars were junk, the
Japanese were nice, but the Passat was a dream...very tight, sporty and
elegant.

My wife usually drives it, but when I get in it I just love driving the
thing.

Michael Bulatovich

2007-01-19, 5:25 pm


"Don" <creative1986@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:12r28n08acktn45@news.supernews.com...
> "Michael Bulatovich"> wrote
>
> So are Vee Dubz the arkt-tex cars of the 21st century?
> I think Pierre has one too.
>
> Back in 1980 my sister bought a brand new VW Scirocco and I swear it was
> the nicest car I ever drove.
> Tight, accurate and quality built.
> A splendid german engineered machine.


I'm not gonna speak for all of us, but they have great steering, good
breaks, reasonable suspension, and, if you like that sort of thing, you can
get them with hundreds of horses.
The Passats are built in Germany too, not Brazil or Mexico.
--


MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca


Michael Bulatovich

2007-01-19, 5:25 pm


"3D Peruna" <wharold@weirdness.com> wrote in message
news:qv9sh.3$za1.1@newsfe03.lga...
> Don wrote:
>
> We've got a 2003 Passat. 1.8T with Tiptronic. It's a blast to drive...
>
> When we bought it, we test drove all the cars in the same class/price
> range. We started with the Passat... The dealer told us "don't bother
> going anywhere else, you'll be back." The American cars were junk, the
> Japanese were nice, but the Passat was a dream...very tight, sporty and
> elegant.


I had a 2002 1.8 sedan, and now have the 2006 (cough cough) TurboDiesel
wagon.

The big issue for us was headroom for me (6'-4") and my daughter in back
(5'-11") and the combined front + rear legroom. Nothing comes close in the
price neighborhood.

Volvo's ain't what they used to be when they made their rep.
--


MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca


Don

2007-01-19, 5:25 pm

"Michael Bulatovich"> wrote
> and my daughter in back (5'-11")


holy kow! thats a long drink of water!
get away stix up to hee-yay-ya...........


Ken S. Tucker

2007-01-19, 5:25 pm


Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> ... Rod ... Lincoln!"
>
> LOL, was it mere coincidence, or fate?
> My dads first car was a 39 Lincoln and he was a holy terror with it and as a
> kid the stories were told frequently.
> He could hardly complain when 23 years later his 1st born namesake followed
> in his footsteps.
> I was arrested twice for drag racing when I was 16 (wreckless driving,
> willful and wanton) and my dad bailed me both times.
> Many speeding tickets, breaking traction, etc. and wrecked a few times too.
> (I learned mechanics and body work in my teens)
> By the time I was 19 I was the traffic scourge of Lee County.
> 4 years in the army cured me of them ways and I've been a good boy ever
> since.
> When does the 2nd childhood start? LOL


> 65' vette huh? You lucky duckbutter.......
> Coupe or Fastback?
> Oh, gasp, convertible?


Yup, Convertible.
I've a few friends who bought Harley's too,
it's a personal decision, Let It Be.
Ken

Pat

2007-01-20, 1:25 pm

So I guess I am the only one here who drives a minivan. You all don't
know what you are missing. I went to pick up my kid last night, had a
friend in the van, and the kid had 3 friends who needed rides home. 2
adults and 4 teenage boys in the car, and no one was crowed. Try that
with your Volvos or VWs. Ah, the ability to seat 7.

3D Peruna

2007-01-20, 1:25 pm

Pat wrote:
> So I guess I am the only one here who drives a minivan. You all don't
> know what you are missing. I went to pick up my kid last night, had a
> friend in the van, and the kid had 3 friends who needed rides home. 2
> adults and 4 teenage boys in the car, and no one was crowed. Try that
> with your Volvos or VWs. Ah, the ability to seat 7.
>
>


I've also got a Honda Pilot... Almost like a mini-van, except much less
"mini-van" feeling. I certainly understand the practical allure of a
minivan, but we couldn't find one that didn't come with the carpool
option, so we went with the Pilot SUV.

Ken S. Tucker

2007-01-20, 1:25 pm


Pat wrote:
> So I guess I am the only one here who drives a minivan. You all don't
> know what you are missing. I went to pick up my kid last night, had a
> friend in the van, and the kid had 3 friends who needed rides home. 2
> adults and 4 teenage boys in the car, and no one was crowed. Try that
> with your Volvos or VWs. Ah, the ability to seat 7.


Wife has a Grand Caravan, took out the front
passenger seat, and all the rest except the
back bench seat. I like the side opening doors,
easy to put lots of junk in and out. No prob
putting a 4x8 sheet in.
Ken

Don

2007-01-20, 5:25 pm

"Pat"> wrote
> So I guess I am the only one here who drives a minivan. You all don't
> know what you are missing. I went to pick up my kid last night, had a
> friend in the van, and the kid had 3 friends who needed rides home. 2
> adults and 4 teenage boys in the car, and no one was crowed. Try that
> with your Volvos or VWs. Ah, the ability to seat 7.


I don't even KNOW 7 people!

But....
Last year I rented a minivan to transport myself, my wife, 2 dogs, 6 cats, 8
guitars and 6 guns across 1000 miles. heh


Don

2007-01-20, 5:25 pm

"3D Peruna"> wrote
> Pat wrote:
>
> I've also got a Honda Pilot... Almost like a mini-van, except much less
> "mini-van" feeling. I certainly understand the practical allure of a
> minivan, but we couldn't find one that didn't come with the carpool
> option, so we went with the Pilot SUV.


OK, I'll be the dumbass.
Whats the carpool option?


Don

2007-01-20, 5:25 pm

"Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Wife has a Grand Caravan, took out the front
> passenger seat, and all the rest except the
> back bench seat. I like the side opening doors,
> easy to put lots of junk in and out. No prob
> putting a 4x8 sheet in.


The minivan we rented last year was a Pontiac Montana had side doors on BOTH
sides and the door on the passenger side opened with a remote control on the
key.
It was a pretty cool ride, had lots of features.
For us though a minivan would be mainly a box of air.
We have little rides.


Pat

2007-01-20, 5:25 pm


Don wrote:
> "Pat"> wrote
>
> I don't even KNOW 7 people!
>
> But....
> Last year I rented a minivan to transport myself, my wife, 2 dogs, 6 cats, 8
> guitars and 6 guns across 1000 miles. heh


Isn't that called a Terrorist Cell???

Pat

2007-01-20, 5:25 pm

I have the same thing, only with the Oldsmobile faceplate on it. Power
everything. Spent an hour PROGRAMMING it. You can control the door
locking, lights-when-you-take-out-the-key, door unlocking, etc. etc.
Never knew you had to program a car. Surprised the heck out of me the
first time the headlights came on by themselves -- it happened as I was
reaching for the switch. I thought "what the f***", how did it know I
was reaching for the switch". It is pretty car-ish, for a van.

And yes, I too was wondering what the carpool option is. I am assuming
it's the ability to fit a busload of people into it.


Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> The minivan we rented last year was a Pontiac Montana had side doors on BOTH
> sides and the door on the passenger side opened with a remote control on the
> key.
> It was a pretty cool ride, had lots of features.
> For us though a minivan would be mainly a box of air.
> We have little rides.


Don

2007-01-20, 5:25 pm

"Pat"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> Isn't that called a Terrorist Cell???


Oh yeah, about 10,000 rds of ammo too.
NOW its a TC!!! LOL


Ken S. Tucker

2007-01-20, 5:25 pm


Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> The minivan we rented last year was a Pontiac Montana had side doors on BOTH
> sides and the door on the passenger side opened with a remote control on the
> key.
> It was a pretty cool ride, had lots of features.
> For us though a minivan would be mainly a box of air.
> We have little rides.


I feel a bit ostentatious, but every once in a
while wife and I roll around North America,
for a month and that's a sleeper van. We like
the gyspy life style, deek into a state park
and roll out the mattress, snooze out to a silly
little B&W TV. Next AM, well rested, do the
OOO-AAAH drool over the park, simple.
I need to build a box top for that beast.
Last one I did was curvy plywood, I've never
done fiber-glass, so I might try that.
Ya see, I make the box-top aerodynamically
conformal, with no sharp edges that might sing
with viscosity turbulence.
Ken

3D Peruna

2007-01-20, 5:25 pm

Don wrote:
> "3D Peruna"> wrote
>
> OK, I'll be the dumbass.
> Whats the carpool option?


When you've got kids and a minivan, you get to drive "carpool." Pick up
kids & neighbor kids & friends and drive them around to
school/activities. It seems to automatically go with the minivan. The
only people I've seen been able to find them without carpool option are
the ones without kids....

Don

2007-01-20, 5:25 pm

"Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> I feel a bit ostentatious, but every once in a
> while wife and I roll around North America,
> for a month and that's a sleeper van. We like
> the gyspy life style, deek into a state park
> and roll out the mattress, snooze out to a silly
> little B&W TV. Next AM, well rested, do the
> OOO-AAAH drool over the park, simple.
> I need to build a box top for that beast.
> Last one I did was curvy plywood, I've never
> done fiber-glass, so I might try that.
> Ya see, I make the box-top aerodynamically
> conformal, with no sharp edges that might sing
> with viscosity turbulence.


For the past year I've been looking for a topper for the back of my truck
but its so old now (1991) there doesn't seem to be any available.
Maybe later this year (after the garage is finished) I will build one.
I have it drawn up in acad and it will be 3/4" plywood ribs and a 1/4"
plywood sheathing and the whole thing will be fiberglassed.
If that turns out good then I may build a larger one, one that I can stand
up in, and build it as a slide in camper.
I too will build these things aerodynamically and they will be designed very
efficiently to use the space as economically as possible.


Ken S. Tucker

2007-01-21, 1:25 pm


Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote

Here's a pic of my old box-topper...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dynami...57594384372523/

Built 1996, Obsoleted 2006, (with demise
of 1993 Cavalier Wagon :-( ), still have the box.

3/8" floor, could stand on, 1/4" sides and top.
12 2x2's for edging. and edging around roof
opening hatch. All panels inlaid and 2x2 edges
sanded and rounded to ~1" radius to cut vicosity
and turbulence drag, worked well according to
our mileage charts, no noticeable difference.

Preserved with Marine paint, done over twice.
[color=darkred]
>From conception to installation 1 week, I got

short fused on that, but it worked well.

> For the past year I've been looking for a topper for the back of my truck
> but its so old now (1991) there doesn't seem to be any available.


How long do you expect the 91 to last?

> Maybe later this year (after the garage is finished) I will build one.
> I have it drawn up in acad and it will be 3/4" plywood ribs and a 1/4"
> plywood sheathing and the whole thing will be fiberglassed.


If it's ok, I (we) would like to see those plans, sounds fun.
I'm supposing the fiberglass is actually a preservative,
in function. I'm "told" there are some improvements in
marine paints that are really good, and lighter than fiber
glass. I'm considering sheet Aluminum on a wood frame,
but finishing might be hard to do.

> If that turns out good then I may build a larger one, one that I can stand
> up in, and build it as a slide in camper.


We also looked into a pop up camper trailer just cuz
the're easy to put on and off, but the thing about camping
is you have to figure bugs, rain, cold, heat, darkness etc.
especially if you're all season camping. We just patiently
clock miles in bad weather. The pleasure of camping has
a lot to with the enviromental conditions.

> I too will build these things aerodynamically and they will be designed very
> efficiently to use the space as economically as possible.


Yeah sure Don, and then when the wife inputs her
wish list you'll be driving a 50' tractor trailer with a
20' caboose for the pets :-) and towing a Honda.
We have lot's of stories, been campin near 50 years.
Ken

Michael Bulatovich

2007-01-21, 5:25 pm


"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
news:1169406305.882679.270890@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Here's a pic of my old box-topper...
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/dynami...57594384372523/


The house looks so much *smaller* than 20x20!


Ken S. Tucker

2007-01-21, 5:25 pm


Michael Bulatovich wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
> news:1169406305.882679.270890@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> The house looks so much *smaller* than 20x20!


Yeah 8x12 is max without permit. Wife got intrigued
with "Pioneer Quest" on History Channel, here's a bit,
http://www.pioneerquest.ca/
My heads bobbing like a cheap pussy cat in the back
window of a car with purple balls around the windows,
as she describes the potential adventure.
So she/we buy the property in 92, and land there with
a tent and some minimalistic belongings in 94, ready
to pioneer, as per wifey's fantasy. It's 90F with equal
humidity, up goes the cook tent then temps drop into
the 30's, and the rain won't quit.
Well this sissy, noticing his penis going purple, pulls
all stops and put's the 8x12 on priority...done in 1 week.
Let me tell you something, it was worth it, there is no
greater experience than throwing a mattress on the floor
of that 8x12 and sleeping comfortably.
I'll say this, we actually enjoyed wintering twice over
in that cozy enclave, something like staying in roadside
cabins. Another thing, we didn't sleep together for about
20 years since we all had separate rooms, so there was
a rekindled romance, that she liked, (I think that was her
secretive plan).
Ken

Ken S. Tucker

2007-01-21, 5:25 pm


Ken S. Tucker wrote:
> Michael Bulatovich wrote:
>
> Yeah 8x12 is max without permit. Wife got intrigued
> with "Pioneer Quest" on History Channel, here's a bit,
> http://www.pioneerquest.ca/
> My heads bobbing like a cheap pussy cat in the back
> window of a car with purple balls around the windows,
> as she describes the potential adventure.
> So she/we buy the property in 92, and land there with
> a tent and some minimalistic belongings in 94, ready
> to pioneer, as per wifey's fantasy. It's 90F with equal
> humidity, up goes the cook tent then temps drop into
> the 30's, and the rain won't quit.
> Well this sissy, noticing his penis going purple, pulls
> all stops and put's the 8x12 on priority...done in 1 week.
> Let me tell you something, it was worth it, there is no
> greater experience than throwing a mattress on the floor
> of that 8x12 and sleeping comfortably.
> I'll say this, we actually enjoyed wintering twice over
> in that cozy enclave, something like staying in roadside
> cabins. Another thing, we didn't sleep together for about
> 20 years since we all had separate rooms, so there was
> a rekindled romance, that she liked, (I think that was her
> secretive plan).
> Ken


OOP's sorry, that should have been 02 and 04 respectively
for 92 and 94...I should have got a memo, no body tells me
anything. Memo to Ken stop reusing old calendars, recycling
isn't everything it's cracked up to be.

Don

2007-01-21, 5:25 pm

"Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> Don wrote:
>
> Here's a pic of my old box-topper...
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/dynami...57594384372523/
>
> Built 1996, Obsoleted 2006, (with demise
> of 1993 Cavalier Wagon :-( ), still have the box.
>
> 3/8" floor, could stand on, 1/4" sides and top.
> 12 2x2's for edging. and edging around roof
> opening hatch. All panels inlaid and 2x2 edges
> sanded and rounded to ~1" radius to cut vicosity
> and turbulence drag, worked well according to
> our mileage charts, no noticeable difference.
>
> Preserved with Marine paint, done over twice.
>
> short fused on that, but it worked well.
>
>
> How long do you expect the 91 to last?
>
>
> If it's ok, I (we) would like to see those plans, sounds fun.
> I'm supposing the fiberglass is actually a preservative,
> in function. I'm "told" there are some improvements in
> marine paints that are really good, and lighter than fiber
> glass. I'm considering sheet Aluminum on a wood frame,
> but finishing might be hard to do.
>
>
> We also looked into a pop up camper trailer just cuz
> the're easy to put on and off, but the thing about camping
> is you have to figure bugs, rain, cold, heat, darkness etc.
> especially if you're all season camping. We just patiently
> clock miles in bad weather. The pleasure of camping has
> a lot to with the enviromental conditions.
>
>
> Yeah sure Don, and then when the wife inputs her
> wish list you'll be driving a 50' tractor trailer with a
> 20' caboose for the pets :-) and towing a Honda.
> We have lot's of stories, been campin near 50 years.


Nah, my wifes not a *woodsy* person.
The reason for the fiberglass overlay on the plywood is to protect the wood
and add strength.
The 1st topper I build will be sort of like a boat, upside down.
My truck is an unusual color so I'll get a body shop to mix some paint so
the topper will harmonize with the truck.
Check it out.
I was at Menards (building supply store) and the cashier asked what road I
lived on.
(I never saw her before)
I told her, and she said that she lived on that road too.
She saw me getting out of my truck in the parking lot at Menards and
recognized my truck by its color and she remembered seeing it go past her
house many times.
She said she never saw a truck that color.
Officially it is called 'Sky Blue' and that color was only available in 1990
and 1991 and I have never seen another one that color.

How long do I expect my truck to last?
If you would have asked me that in 1993 I would have said, 'Til the loan is
paid off'. LOL
Now, I suspect it will be the last truck I ever own.
Its still in real good shape, runs good, and quite frankly, it fits me like
a condom.
It has a few minor problems but it gets me from A to B just as well as a
brand new one.
I likes my truck.
(It has a 5 sp and I do get a little tired of shifting all the time)


Ken S. Tucker

2007-01-21, 5:25 pm


Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>
> Nah, my wifes not a *woodsy* person.


LOL, how does that affect your planning?

> The reason for the fiberglass overlay on the plywood is to protect the wood
> and add strength.


I'm shy on attributing excess strength to fiberglass
vs 1/2 XXX plywood. Being a boater my fav is Al,
cuz it dents but doesn't break.
((Got stupid pissed one night and ran over a dock
in a fog at full tilt, the Al boat suffered a dent, a
wooden or FB boat would be sinking after that)).

> The 1st topper I build will be sort of like a boat, upside down.
> My truck is an unusual color so I'll get a body shop to mix some paint so
> the topper will harmonize with the truck.
> Check it out.
> I was at Menards (building supply store) and the cashier asked what road I
> lived on.
> (I never saw her before)
> I told her, and she said that she lived on that road too.
> She saw me getting out of my truck in the parking lot at Menards and
> recognized my truck by its color and she remembered seeing it go past her
> house many times.
> She said she never saw a truck that color.
> Officially it is called 'Sky Blue' and that color was only available in 1990
> and 1991 and I have never seen another one that color.
>
> How long do I expect my truck to last?
> If you would have asked me that in 1993 I would have said, 'Til the loan is
> paid off'. LOL
> Now, I suspect it will be the last truck I ever own.
> Its still in real good shape, runs good, and quite frankly, it fits me like
> a condom.


A bit OT, but I recently read about buzzing condoms,
I figure if I show up in the neighbourhood bar humming,
I''ll attrack the ladies. Yumy, we both get a hummer, sorry
I digress, what were you saying???

> It has a few minor problems but it gets me from A to B just as well as a
> brand new one.
> I likes my truck.
> (It has a 5 sp and I do get a little tired of shifting all the time)


Well Don, in that case, let's hit the old design
board and knock a few neurons and see what
prevails.
Do I sniff the Taj Mahal of mobile arkytek in planning?

What's the specs?
Ken

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