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inserting pre-fab unit inside old external fabric
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| Ralph Kent 2007-01-20, 9:25 am |
| Hello. I was wondering if anyone had any experience of the following:
A friend of mine is looking to convert a small outbuilding into a
couple of bedrooms and a bathroom - nothing complicated. It is quite a
pretty building and structurally sound, but the quotes he has had for
converting it are astronomical (it is in the French Alps). I read in
the Architectural Review a few months ago an example of a guy who had
inserted an insulated wooden "box within a box" that he had put wihtin
a charming old stone pig sty - i.e. he had built his wooden insulated
unit off site, got all his insulation, services, etc in that, then
taken the pieces to the pig sty and built it within. Annoyingly,
that's the only copy of the AR I can't now find in my collection!
The point is, externally my friend wants to preserve the appearance of
his little outbuilding, in the same way that the Austrian guy did with
his little pig sty. I was thinking that if he could get this unit
designed and factory assembled offsite (say somewhere in Eastern
Europe) he could potentially realise significant savings versus
craftsmen on site, and be able to save time in the construction. The
outbuilding he has is structurally sound, its just not that
weatherproof / it has a lot of holes in it.
Anyone have any thoughts or know of any sites where I could research
this further? T-I-A.
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| tbasc@bellsouth.net 2007-01-20, 9:25 am |
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Ralph Kent wrote:
> Hello. I was wondering if anyone had any experience of the following:
> A friend of mine is looking to convert a small outbuilding into a
> couple of bedrooms and a bathroom - nothing complicated. It is quite a
> pretty building and structurally sound, but the quotes he has had for
> converting it are astronomical (it is in the French Alps). I read in
> the Architectural Review a few months ago an example of a guy who had
> inserted an insulated wooden "box within a box" that he had put wihtin
> a charming old stone pig sty - i.e. he had built his wooden insulated
> unit off site, got all his insulation, services, etc in that, then
> taken the pieces to the pig sty and built it within. Annoyingly,
> that's the only copy of the AR I can't now find in my collection!
>
> The point is, externally my friend wants to preserve the appearance of
> his little outbuilding, in the same way that the Austrian guy did with
> his little pig sty. I was thinking that if he could get this unit
> designed and factory assembled offsite (say somewhere in Eastern
> Europe) he could potentially realise significant savings versus
> craftsmen on site, and be able to save time in the construction. The
> outbuilding he has is structurally sound, its just not that
> weatherproof / it has a lot of holes in it.
>
> Anyone have any thoughts or know of any sites where I could research
> this further? T-I-A.
I know of no web sites that address this particular issue.
Depending on the size of the out building, a major issue may be finding
an opening in the outer building large enough and in the right place
through which the prefab elements can be inserted. It's an issue often
delat with when installing architectural mill work. I think an
architect is needed. The insert has to be coordinated with and
supported by the existing structure: the pieces have to be designed for
whatever function is intended and the assembly has to be designed to be
transported and inserted, then assembled.
TB
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| In the US we have panelized construction where panels (wall components)
are factory-built off-site and come in on a truck. They can be almost
any size but seldom over 12 foot high (what's that, about 4 meters).
Typically they are 8 foot high. Typically they are the 2x4s and the
sheathing, then the rest is completed on-site. Here, you could give
the factory the size of the building and the placement of the
doors/windows and they could build the panels to fit closely. In fact,
they could build them half-height so you could carry them in, but
typically an opening is made so you can carry them in full height. You
would have to either pre-install Tyvek to give you additional water
resistance.
So I guess I would suggest that you look for they type of a factory.
They are pretty common around here because they speed things up and
save a lot of money.
Good luck with it.
Ralph Kent wrote:
> Hello. I was wondering if anyone had any experience of the following:
> A friend of mine is looking to convert a small outbuilding into a
> couple of bedrooms and a bathroom - nothing complicated. It is quite a
> pretty building and structurally sound, but the quotes he has had for
> converting it are astronomical (it is in the French Alps). I read in
> the Architectural Review a few months ago an example of a guy who had
> inserted an insulated wooden "box within a box" that he had put wihtin
> a charming old stone pig sty - i.e. he had built his wooden insulated
> unit off site, got all his insulation, services, etc in that, then
> taken the pieces to the pig sty and built it within. Annoyingly,
> that's the only copy of the AR I can't now find in my collection!
>
> The point is, externally my friend wants to preserve the appearance of
> his little outbuilding, in the same way that the Austrian guy did with
> his little pig sty. I was thinking that if he could get this unit
> designed and factory assembled offsite (say somewhere in Eastern
> Europe) he could potentially realise significant savings versus
> craftsmen on site, and be able to save time in the construction. The
> outbuilding he has is structurally sound, its just not that
> weatherproof / it has a lot of holes in it.
>
> Anyone have any thoughts or know of any sites where I could research
> this further? T-I-A.
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| To see what panelizing is all about, look at the following link and
scroll down to see the pics. Esp in the area of week 2
http://www.bardenhomes.com/about_news_previous2.asp
This is a panel in the air. This is an internal one so there is no
sheathing on it.
http://www.bardenhomes.com/ParadeHo...2/04_28_015.jpg
also
http://www.bardenhomes.com/advantag...anelization.asp
again, good luck.
Pat wrote:[color=darkred]
> In the US we have panelized construction where panels (wall components)
> are factory-built off-site and come in on a truck. They can be almost
> any size but seldom over 12 foot high (what's that, about 4 meters).
> Typically they are 8 foot high. Typically they are the 2x4s and the
> sheathing, then the rest is completed on-site. Here, you could give
> the factory the size of the building and the placement of the
> doors/windows and they could build the panels to fit closely. In fact,
> they could build them half-height so you could carry them in, but
> typically an opening is made so you can carry them in full height. You
> would have to either pre-install Tyvek to give you additional water
> resistance.
>
> So I guess I would suggest that you look for they type of a factory.
> They are pretty common around here because they speed things up and
> save a lot of money.
>
> Good luck with it.
>
>
> Ralph Kent wrote:
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| per.corell@privat.dk 2007-01-20, 1:25 pm |
| Hi
Ralph Kent wrote:
my friend wants to preserve the appearance of
> his little outbuilding, in the same way that the Austrian guy did with
> his little pig sty. I was thinking that if he could get this unit
> designed and factory assembled offsite (say somewhere in Eastern
> Europe) he could potentially realise significant savings versus
> craftsmen on site, and be able to save time in the construction. The
> outbuilding he has is structurally sound, its just not that
> weatherproof / it has a lot of holes in it.
>
> Anyone have any thoughts or know of any sites where I could research
> this further? T-I-A.
If y our friend don't dismis solutions FLW aproach , then he shuld
consider presaving the house And it's garden under a shed 3D-Honeycomb
structure it will not be fancy with just a shell Dome to cover the
sight but 3D-H offer frames that also act as foundations for new design
aadding it's touch to the old , the new structure would with 3D-H be
digital projected and digital manufactored but, what is projected will
fit exactly and a 3D-H framework frames , can easily be broken up to
smaller assemblies. Go look for 3D-H or 3D-Honeycomb, emagine this act
covering, expanding the allready building.
P.C.
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| per.corell@privat.dk 2007-01-20, 1:25 pm |
| Forgot to add ; -- the way I see "Paneling" is the panels unfolded from
a 3D drawing , like ships panels panels that cover a structure and act
as roof-wall , just the making sure rain don't enter and insulating
surfaces adding their strength to the box structure.
P.C.
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