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"Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message
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> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7093685.stm
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Read "Collapse" by Jared Diamond. He carefully and scientifically describes
several past civilizations such as the Anastazi (sp?) in the American
Southwest that failed for similar reasons. A great and somewhat scary read.
What fools our leaders seem to be.
EDS
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| Michael Bulatovich 2007-11-20, 1:25 pm |
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"EDS" <snowed@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message
> news:fhusqq02qk3@news4.newsguy.com...
> Read "Collapse" by Jared Diamond. He carefully and scientifically
> describes several past civilizations such as the Anastazi (sp?) in the
> American Southwest that failed for similar reasons. A great and somewhat
> scary read. What fools our leaders seem to be.
> EDS
Not just *our* leaders. There's the case of Easter Island too.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2007-11-20, 1:25 pm |
| On Nov 20, 7:44 am, "EDS" <sno...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Michael Bulatovich" <Ple...@dont.try> wrote in message
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> news:fhusqq02qk3@news4.newsguy.com...>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7093685.stm
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> Read "Collapse" by Jared Diamond. He carefully and scientifically describes
> several past civilizations such as the Anastazi (sp?) in the American
> Southwest that failed for similar reasons. A great and somewhat scary read.
> What fools our leaders seem to be.
> EDS
Easter Island has similiar theories.
Generally the prime source of heating and cooking
was wood (still is in most places). As a city grew
the local forests were stripped around the city and
at a radius of 10-20 miles it became uneconomical,
to transport in wood, usually by humans or ox.
Next evolution in energy supply was/is coal.
Ken
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"Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message
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> "EDS" <snowed@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Not just *our* leaders. There's the case of Easter Island too.
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That's one of his prime examples. Also the Norse farmers in Southern
Greenland who would not change their lifestyle (cows and sheep) and died off
when the climate got cooler in the 14th century and ships from Europe could
not reach them. He has several example of civilizations that did change
their ways and are still around (Japan in the 16th century, some Pacific
islands).
EDS
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| Kris Krieger 2007-11-21, 5:25 pm |
| "EDS" <snowed@comcast.net> wrote in
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> "Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message
> news:fhusqq02qk3@news4.newsguy.com...
> Read "Collapse" by Jared Diamond. He carefully and scientifically
> describes several past civilizations such as the Anastazi (sp?)
Anasasi, IIRC.
Just for grins: "anastas-" is a Russian word-component referring to the
Ressurection, often used as a name, esp. "Anastasia".
> in the
> American Southwest that failed for similar reasons. A great and
> somewhat scary read. What fools our leaders seem to be.
> EDS
Compare to microbes in a Petri dish containing blood-agar. When you do a
bacterial culture, you use a pre-sized loopto deliver an amount of
innoculated medium onto a Petri plate, and then progressively streak it out
to obtain isolated colonies that can then be used for the purposed of
identification and determination of antibiotic resistance (and further
study, if desired). If you leave the plates in the incubater (as opposed
to sending them to the autoclave), you can see the colonies grow and grow
until either all the nutrients (blood) are used up (plate turns from red,
to the translucent agar color plus some discoloration due to by-products of
the blood digestion), or sometimes, the colonies will spread and spread
untile the surface of the plate is covered, and occasionally, creep partway
up the sides of the dish.
Kid of perverse, in a way, that humans are often no smarter, en masse, than
bacteria...
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| Ken S. Tucker 2007-11-21, 5:25 pm |
| On Nov 21, 11:56 am, Kris Krieger <m...@dowmuff.in> wrote:
> "EDS" <sno...@comcast.net> wrote innews:VNGdnVYffekind7anZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com:
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> Anasasi, IIRC.
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> Just for grins: "anastas-" is a Russian word-component referring to the
> Ressurection, often used as a name, esp. "Anastasia".
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> Compare to microbes in a Petri dish containing blood-agar. When you do a
> bacterial culture, you use a pre-sized loopto deliver an amount of
> innoculated medium onto a Petri plate, and then progressively streak it out
> to obtain isolated colonies that can then be used for the purposed of
> identification and determination of antibiotic resistance (and further
> study, if desired). If you leave the plates in the incubater (as opposed
> to sending them to the autoclave), you can see the colonies grow and grow
> until either all the nutrients (blood) are used up (plate turns from red,
> to the translucent agar color plus some discoloration due to by-products of
> the blood digestion), or sometimes, the colonies will spread and spread
> untile the surface of the plate is covered, and occasionally, creep partway
> up the sides of the dish.
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> Kid of perverse, in a way, that humans are often no smarter, en masse, than
> bacteria...
Where humans are concerned, it's all about energy,
especially as fire was tamed, we moved to cooler
climates, learned to bake bread and melt metal from
rocks...the above mentioned bronze age, and we
haven't looked back.
I read a CIA report that the US concern in Vnam
had to do with the huge oil reserves they have, and
wanted there exploitation by capitalistic means, by
which the US generally wins.
Of course I won't suggest that sort of thesis applies
to any current military operations planned or in
progress.
Ken
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| Kris Krieger 2007-11-21, 5:25 pm |
| "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in
news:0158e163-e144-4c9c-b97c-7ebcf6f2e8a4@d61g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:
> On Nov 21, 11:56 am, Kris Krieger <m...@dowmuff.in> wrote:
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> Where humans are concerned, it's all about energy,
> especially as fire was tamed, we moved to cooler
> climates, learned to bake bread and melt metal from
> rocks...the above mentioned bronze age, and we
> haven't looked back.
> I read a CIA report that the US concern in Vnam
> had to do with the huge oil reserves they have, and
> wanted there exploitation by capitalistic means, by
> which the US generally wins.
I never heard that Viet Nam had significant oil reserves.
The gov.t went in to support French colonialism; the French had
plantations there, tho' I can't recall what sort they were (dang memory
glitches, arrgh...). It *was* a matter of Capitalism versus Ho Chi Minh
(?sp?), but I dunno about oil reserves. If they did have them, why is
Viet Nam so impoverished today? One would think they'd be drilling.
Maybe someone just *beleived* there were oil reserves, since the gov.t
has always been realy good at ignoring facts and instead following the
merest whisp of a belief.
> Of course I won't suggest that sort of thesis applies
> to any current military operations planned or in
> progress.
Heh...
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| Ken S. Tucker 2007-11-22, 1:25 pm |
| On Nov 21, 2:59 pm, Kris Krieger <m...@dowmuff.in> wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote innews:0158e163-e144-4c9c-b97c-7ebcf6f2e8a4@d61g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:
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> I never heard that Viet Nam had significant oil reserves.
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> The gov.t went in to support French colonialism; the French had
> plantations there, tho' I can't recall what sort they were (dang memory
> glitches, arrgh...). It *was* a matter of Capitalism versus Ho Chi Minh
> (?sp?), but I dunno about oil reserves. If they did have them, why is
> Viet Nam so impoverished today?
Maybe cuz they got bombed.
>One would think they'd be drilling.
Just read a wiki article on Vnam and they're
currently exporting 400,000 barrels a day.
IIRC there are large off shore reserves.
> Maybe someone just *beleived* there were oil reserves, since the gov.t
> has always been realy good at ignoring facts and instead following the
> merest whisp of a belief.
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> Heh...
Regards
Ken
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