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| Warm Worm 2007-11-23, 8:25 pm |
| Michael Bulatovich wrote:
> a (spirographic) theory of everything including skateboards.
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> http://www.economist.com/science/di...ory_id=10170958
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> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...fe/E8_graph.svg
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_Lisi
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Exc...y_of_Everything
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> (Is Wikipedia fast, or what?)
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> http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q...le+Search&meta=
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> Now we can all just chill.
It looks like a fractal:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:E8_graph.svg
In any case, for quite some time I've suspected that the universe was
just one big fractal from which everything else branches. 'Self
similarity'. Just backtrack to the fractal 'seed'-- the big bang, which,
itself could simply be the other side of a black hole in yet another,
older universe.
Take a look at trees and mountains; they can all be represented in
computer 3D programs using fractal equations I think:
http://www.pandromeda.com/gallery/still_thumbnails.php
If the universe('s big bang) was a "perfect" "explosion", the universe
wouldn't have come into existence-- logically, every "particle" within
it would have been perfectly "equidistant" relative to their incredible
outward velocities and masses, so everything would have just dissolved
and nothing would have stuck together.
But chaos was the, probably exceedingly-minute, "fractal push" that was
enough to push things out of perfect outward expansion and to, over time
and given the other forces like gravity, create what we know as galaxies
and planets and supernovae.
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| Michael Bulatovich 2007-11-24, 1:25 pm |
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"Warm Worm" <user@domain.invalid> wrote in message
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> Michael Bulatovich wrote:
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> It looks like a fractal:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:E8_graph.svg
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> In any case, for quite some time I've suspected that the universe was just
> one big fractal from which everything else branches. 'Self similarity'.
> Just backtrack to the fractal 'seed'-- the big bang, which, itself could
> simply be the other side of a black hole in yet another, older universe.
>
> Take a look at trees and mountains; they can all be represented in
> computer 3D programs using fractal equations I think:
> http://www.pandromeda.com/gallery/still_thumbnails.php
>
> If the universe('s big bang) was a "perfect" "explosion", the universe
> wouldn't have come into existence-- logically, every "particle" within it
> would have been perfectly "equidistant" relative to their incredible
> outward velocities and masses, so everything would have just dissolved and
> nothing would have stuck together.
> But chaos was the, probably exceedingly-minute, "fractal push" that was
> enough to push things out of perfect outward expansion and to, over time
> and given the other forces like gravity, create what we know as galaxies
> and planets and supernovae.
I for one spent an hour or so in a fractal of definitions trying to figure
out what an "E8" was, but eventually ran out of time. I'm now waiting for
the announcement from the new collider before I spend more time on it.
--
MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca
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| Ken S. Tucker 2007-11-24, 5:25 pm |
| On Nov 23, 6:13 pm, Warm Worm <u...@domain.invalid> wrote:
> Michael Bulatovich wrote:
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> It looks like a fractal:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:E8_graph.svg
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> In any case, for quite some time I've suspected that the universe was
> just one big fractal from which everything else branches. 'Self
> similarity'. Just backtrack to the fractal 'seed'-- the big bang, which,
> itself could simply be the other side of a black hole in yet another,
> older universe.
>
> Take a look at trees and mountains; they can all be represented in
> computer 3D programs using fractal equations I think:http://www.pandromeda.com/gallery/still_thumbnails.php
>
> If the universe('s big bang) was a "perfect" "explosion", the universe
> wouldn't have come into existence-- logically, every "particle" within
> it would have been perfectly "equidistant" relative to their incredible
> outward velocities and masses, so everything would have just dissolved
> and nothing would have stuck together.
> But chaos was the, probably exceedingly-minute, "fractal push" that was
> enough to push things out of perfect outward expansion and to, over time
> and given the other forces like gravity, create what we know as galaxies
> and planets and supernovae.
I think the universe has always been and is immortal.
Toys like Big Bang, Black Holes are fun stuff if you
like borderline religion somehow casting the universe
into mans own image of his birth and death.
Ken
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| "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
> I think the universe has always been and is immortal.
> Toys like Big Bang, Black Holes are fun stuff if you
> like borderline religion somehow casting the universe
> into mans own image of his birth and death.
Same here.
I don't know if the BB happened or if its happened lots of times.
Maybe when god tires of his little game he slams his fist down on the board,
BANG', and then makes a new game.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2007-11-24, 5:25 pm |
| On Nov 24, 1:33 pm, "Don" <one-if-by-l...@concord.com> wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
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> Same here.
> I don't know if the BB happened or if its happened lots of times.
> Maybe when god tires of his little game he slams his fist down on the board,
> BANG', and then makes a new game.
The sale of books and science programs based on
the conjecture of BB, which can never be proven,
or, like the theory god, can never be disproved is
wholesale *indoctrination*.
In truth, telescope technology is getting very near
to seeing planets around other stars, so while we
can't get humans to those other solar systems,
we can get there using vision, that's exciting and
concrete science. For round figures, if you use
100x magnification on a system 100 lyrs away
then you are viewing from 1 lyr away.
Scale that, to 100,000x magnification, then you're
getting close to Star Trek imagery.
To put that in perspective, your distance is ~9 light
hours from the star, the same distance as Pluto is
from the Sun....it's a virtual Starship.
From what I've studied, an infinite universe is
consistent with the known and tested laws of
nature, it's esoteric heavy math.
OTOH, if we fund raise for a new telescope, bet we
could raise a $billion of so, maybe $25 a head, the
price of a couple of tickets to a movie.
If 40,000,000 kick in, there's your $billion.
Ken
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| 3D Peruna 2007-11-26, 3:25 am |
| Don wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
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> Same here.
> I don't know if the BB happened or if its happened lots of times.
> Maybe when god tires of his little game he slams his fist down on the board,
> BANG', and then makes a new game.
You'll all enjoy this then: http://filer.case.edu/dts8/thelastq.htm
Great story and does cause you to think.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2007-11-26, 1:25 pm |
| On Nov 26, 10:40 am, "Don" <one-if-by-l...@concord.com> wrote:
> "3D Peruna"> wrote
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> Mobius.
Anne Francis, yummy.
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"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
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> On Nov 26, 10:40 am, "Don" <one-if-by-l...@concord.com> wrote:
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> Anne Francis, yummy.
Honey West
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| Kris Krieger 2007-11-29, 1:25 pm |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
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> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
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> Same here.
> I don't know if the BB happened or if its happened lots of times.
> Maybe when god tires of his little game he slams his fist down on the
> board, BANG', and then makes a new game.
IIRC, there is a concept in Hinduism called the "Brahma Year". I first
read about it in th book "Cosmos" (dunno whether the book came before the
series, or visa-versa). Anyway, IIRC, (1) when the Brahma Year ends, teh
Brahma awakens from his dream (which is the Universe), and then, when he
goes to sleep again, a new dream/Universe begins; (2) there is supposedly
some sort of correlation between the ancient concept of Brahma Year, and
the age of the universe, but I can't remember what it is.
I don't know where my copy of "Cosmos" is, so I can't look it up, but it
might be "googleable".
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| "Kris Krieger" <me@dowmuff.in> wrote in message
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> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
> news:fia5g301246@news1.newsguy.com:
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> IIRC, there is a concept in Hinduism called the "Brahma Year". I first
> read about it in th book "Cosmos" (dunno whether the book came before the
> series, or visa-versa). Anyway, IIRC, (1) when the Brahma Year ends, teh
> Brahma awakens from his dream (which is the Universe), and then, when he
> goes to sleep again, a new dream/Universe begins; (2) there is supposedly
> some sort of correlation between the ancient concept of Brahma Year, and
> the age of the universe, but I can't remember what it is.
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> I don't know where my copy of "Cosmos" is, so I can't look it up, but it
> might be "googleable".
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Your comment remained me of a short story I just read by Isaac Asimov. It
is an awe inspiring piece of work. I loved it. I seem to like short
stories better than the usual stuff, don't know why. Maybe getting your
point across and making a statement in the confines of a short story are
more impressive to me and stick longer with me, or maybe I'm just to dumb
for the long ones  .
http://filer.case.edu/dts8/thelastq.htm
--
Edgar
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"Edgar" <ecamacho4_nospam@nospam_hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Kris Krieger" <me@dowmuff.in> wrote in message
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> Your comment remained me of a short story I just read by Isaac Asimov. It
> is an awe inspiring piece of work. I loved it. I seem to like short
> stories better than the usual stuff, don't know why. Maybe getting your
> point across and making a statement in the confines of a short story are
> more impressive to me and stick longer with me, or maybe I'm just to dumb
> for the long ones .
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> http://filer.case.edu/dts8/thelastq.htm
Paul just posted that a few days ago.
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| Kris Krieger 2007-11-30, 1:25 pm |
| "Edgar" <ecamacho4_nospam@nospam_hotmail.com> wrote in
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> "Kris Krieger" <me@dowmuff.in> wrote in message
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> Your comment remained me of a short story I just read by Isaac Asimov.
> It is an awe inspiring piece of work. I loved it. I seem to like
> short stories better than the usual stuff, don't know why. Maybe
> getting your point across and making a statement in the confines of a
> short story are more impressive to me and stick longer with me, or
> maybe I'm just to dumb for the long ones .
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> http://filer.case.edu/dts8/thelastq.htm
>
I hadn't read that before; thanks for th elink.
SHort stories - well, one of the best things about a well-written short
storyis that ti has to say a lot in a short space. In a way, it's like
good poetry in that regard - allusion, imagry, symbolism, and all of that
good stuff ;) can, in the right (or write, ha ha ;) ) hands say a *heck*
of a lot in only a few lines.
Novels, OTOH, can go on and on and on (yeah, sort of how I can talk
<LOL!> ), can ramble and circumlocute and so on and etc. and so forth and
yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah......zzzzz......
THe common statement would prob be something about "short attention
span", but actually, brevity/conciseness can be quite elegant, in the
sense that a scientific experiment or math formula can be elegant - a
great deal of menaing in a small but exquisite package
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