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| Newer homes seem to have a bank of smaller windows spaced closely together
rather than one large "picture" window like you see on 70's ranch style
homes. Instead of one large 8' wide window, they might put in three windows
separated by a group of three 2x6's for framing in about the same space. Is
that just a matter of style, or have they switched for some other technical
reason like better load support or more energy efficiency?
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| "Dean"> wrote
> Newer homes seem to have a bank of smaller windows spaced closely together
> rather than one large "picture" window like you see on 70's ranch style
> homes. Instead of one large 8' wide window, they might put in three
> windows separated by a group of three 2x6's for framing in about the same
> space. Is that just a matter of style, or have they switched for some
> other technical reason like better load support or more energy efficiency?
$$$
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| Michael Bulatovich 2007-05-22, 5:25 pm |
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"Dean" <riechman1@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Newer homes seem to have a bank of smaller windows spaced closely together
> rather than one large "picture" window like you see on 70's ranch style
> homes. Instead of one large 8' wide window, they might put in three
> windows separated by a group of three 2x6's for framing in about the same
> space. Is that just a matter of style, or have they switched for some
> other technical reason like better load support or more energy efficiency?
Your in the right neighborhood. Those old windows were probably single pane,
which we don't do anymore, at least in cold climates like mine. Double
glazing really big spans becomes very expensive for a bunch of reasons:
glass has to be thicker, spacers have to be wider.... and then you have to
lift it into place to install it. Also, when the neighborhood kids put a
superball through it, it's way more expensive to replace.
--
MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca
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| "Michael Bulatovich"> wrote
> superball
HA!
Haven't heard that word in quite a few decades.
I used to hit em with a baseball bat.
Take days to find it......if ever.
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| mindesign 2007-05-23, 3:25 am |
| it certainly enables placement of furniture in between - personally, I
think it is a response to this need
Steve
"Dean" <riechman1@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Newer homes seem to have a bank of smaller windows spaced closely together
> rather than one large "picture" window like you see on 70's ranch style
> homes. Instead of one large 8' wide window, they might put in three
> windows separated by a group of three 2x6's for framing in about the same
> space. Is that just a matter of style, or have they switched for some
> other technical reason like better load support or more energy efficiency?
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| In SW FL I am expecting *convertible structural muntins* to happen on the
scene any day now.
When the weather service states a Cat 3 is within 50 miles a satellite
signal will deploy the muntins until the danger has passed.
Stay tuned.......
"mindesign" <seriph_I_SAID_NO_BLOODY_SPAM_AT_ALL@consultant.com> wrote in
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> it certainly enables placement of furniture in between - personally, I
> think it is a response to this need
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> Steve
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> "Dean" <riechman1@verizon.net> wrote in message
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| Kris Krieger 2007-05-23, 5:25 pm |
| "Dean" <riechman1@verizon.net> wrote in
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> Newer homes seem to have a bank of smaller windows spaced closely
> together rather than one large "picture" window like you see on 70's
> ranch style homes. Instead of one large 8' wide window, they might
> put in three windows separated by a group of three 2x6's for framing
> in about the same space. Is that just a matter of style, or have they
> switched for some other technical reason like better load support or
> more energy efficiency?
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Just compare the price of several smaller thermopane windows, versus one
huge thermopane window...
Also, there is the thing of replacement cost. If a stone, basebball,
hockey-puck, or otehr "toy" goes through a window, it's far less expensive
to repair one smaller window pane, than a whole huge picture window.
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"Kris Krieger" <me@dowmuff.in> wrote in message
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> "Dean" <riechman1@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:BqG4i.6491$ix.4081@trndny01:
> Just compare the price of several smaller thermopane windows, versus one
> huge thermopane window...
I got prices at lowes this afternoon: a good quality 8' w x 5' h vinyl
thermopane unit with 2' horizonal sliders on either side, low-e, argon is
$448. Three 29" w x 5' h units with two single hung and one solid was $513
total (that surprised me). The u-value for the whole unit, frame and all,
was the same for the large unit and the small, single hung units. The small
solid one was a little more efficient. So price for the three smaller
windows together is $65 more, but would be a little more energy efficient,
but kind of a wash I guess. I'm not at all sure I understand how the
efficency ratings work though.
> Also, there is the thing of replacement cost.
I have to hope they fling the superball through one of the sliders  Maybe
it is just replacement cost and style then.
Thanks,
Dean
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"Dean" <riechman1@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> "Kris Krieger" <me@dowmuff.in> wrote in message
> news:xM15i.12761$Ut6.6112@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
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> I got prices at lowes this afternoon: a good quality 8' w x 5' h vinyl
> thermopane unit with 2' horizonal sliders on either side, low-e, argon is
> $448. Three 29" w x 5' h units with two single hung and one solid was
> $513 total (that surprised me). The u-value for the whole unit, frame and
> all, was the same for the large unit and the small, single hung units.
> The small solid one was a little more efficient. So price for the three
> smaller windows together is $65 more, but would be a little more energy
> efficient, but kind of a wash I guess. I'm not at all sure I understand
> how the efficency ratings work though.
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> I have to hope they fling the superball through one of the sliders
> Maybe it is just replacement cost and style then.
You're looking through a narrow slit in the wall.
The world is much bigger than that.
Buy the stuff, install it to code approval, and then let us know the *TOTAL*
cost in time and money.
Clue: If you somehow didn't know it already, the Lowes pricetag is only a
fractional cost.
**Don't forget to upgrade the header over the window, with the proper
anchorage then consider the funiture placement and traffic patterns inside
the home and finally, how the new window(s) harmonize with other elements on
the exterior of the home.
Its real easy, and common, for a novice to point at this or that singular
thing and say, 'See, I told you so'., and that is where the experienced
designer is left with only one recourse and that is to jam 2 fingers waist
deep in the offensive bipodal carbon units eye sockets.
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| On May 23, 4:48 pm, Kris Krieger <m...@dowmuff.in> wrote:
> "Dean" <riechm...@verizon.net> wrote innews:BqG4i.6491$ix.4081@trndny01:
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> Just compare the price of several smaller thermopane windows, versus one
> huge thermopane window...
>
> Also, there is the thing of replacement cost. If a stone, basebball,
> hockey-puck, or otehr "toy" goes through a window, it's far less expensive
> to repair one smaller window pane, than a whole huge picture window.
Depending on the circumstances, it might actually be cheaper to
replace one big window rather than one little one, when you include
labor and all.
Let's say the small unit costs $65 and the big one costs $500. Say
labor in either case is $150. So it's $205 v. $650. So if you
replace the smaller unit, it costs you $205. If you replace the
bigger unit, it costs you $200 because that's the deductable on your
homeowner's insurance. So it is $5 cheaper to replace the bigger
window because you won't submit a $5 claim to your insurance carrier.
<stand back. wait for Don to build up a head of steam. prepare for
surmon.>
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"Pat" <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote in message
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> On May 23, 4:48 pm, Kris Krieger <m...@dowmuff.in> wrote:
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> Depending on the circumstances, it might actually be cheaper to
> replace one big window rather than one little one, when you include
> labor and all.
>
> Let's say the small unit costs $65 and the big one costs $500. Say
> labor in either case is $150. So it's $205 v. $650. So if you
> replace the smaller unit, it costs you $205. If you replace the
> bigger unit, it costs you $200 because that's the deductable on your
> homeowner's insurance. So it is $5 cheaper to replace the bigger
> window because you won't submit a $5 claim to your insurance carrier.
>
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> <stand back. wait for Don to build up a head of steam. prepare for
> surmon.>
The bigger window will cost more to install.
Depending on the application, even a small window can require 2 people and
an 8' window could feasibly require 4 or more people, especially if its a
2nd floor where its installed.
(banks of multiple windows must first be assembled on the ground then lifted
into place and leveled/plumbed/shimmed)
The windows here in my garage are only 3' x 3' double hung aluminum jobs but
2 of us installed them. 1 person on the outside and 1 on the inside.
Smooth.
If I had done them by myself it would have been a little more difficult and
I would have charged myself more money for labor, thus reducing my
bottomline considerably.
Go figure that one out. LOL
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| On May 24, 1:43 pm, "Don" <one-if-by-l...@concord.com> wrote:
> "Pat" <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote in message
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> The bigger window will cost more to install.
> Depending on the application, even a small window can require 2 people and
> an 8' window could feasibly require 4 or more people, especially if its a
> 2nd floor where its installed.
> (banks of multiple windows must first be assembled on the ground then lifted
> into place and leveled/plumbed/shimmed)
> The windows here in my garage are only 3' x 3' double hung aluminum jobs but
> 2 of us installed them. 1 person on the outside and 1 on the inside.
> Smooth.
> If I had done them by myself it would have been a little more difficult and
> I would have charged myself more money for labor, thus reducing my
> bottomline considerably.
> Go figure that one out. LOL
Why aluminum instead of vinyl in a garage?
In NYS, aluminum is required in most cities and in anything over a
couple of stories, but vinyl is used for almost everything else.
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"Pat" <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote in message
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> On May 24, 1:43 pm, "Don" <one-if-by-l...@concord.com> wrote:
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> Why aluminum instead of vinyl in a garage?
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> In NYS, aluminum is required in most cities and in anything over a
> couple of stories, but vinyl is used for almost everything else.
I erred, they are vinyl (Pella), just like on the house.
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