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| Everythings covered with ice, at least 1/2" of it.
It snowed for 3 days then rained for 2 and right now the temps are in the
20's.
This is the warmest its been in a week.
Walking anywhere outside is trepiditious, like walking on greased ball
bearings.
So I'm sitting here working and there was a grumble, then a groan, then a
yerrrawwwwwerrrrrr and the earth was moving.
No it wasn't, the building was moving.
No it wasn't, the ice on the backside of my tin roof was sliding.
OMG!
kaashhooooshhh-ga-rumph!!!!
I hit the deck.
Almost.
Actually I laid rubber getting out the door and around the corner, almost
busted my XXX in the ice and flew around the rear corner just to see the
last dagger fall.
There were thousands of 2' icicles along the overhang and 600 sf of sliding
1/2" thick ice propelled them in tiers out into the downward sloping
landscape.
If anyone would have been standing there they'd be dead, 2000 times over.
MAN!
So I came back up front and looked at the front roof, the ice was still
there but for how long?
All the icicles were angled back toward the wall cause the ice had slid some
and was hanging over the edge about 6".
My old truck is sitting there, about 8' from that wall.
I looked at the angle of that 6/12 roof and extended the line out to my
truck.
Yep, when that ice comes off my truck will be doomed.
How much does 600 sf of 1/2" ice weigh?
Right, too much, got to move the truck, that hasn't moved in 2 days.
The doors are iced shut, solid.
I start working it and I found that pushing IN on the door cracked the ice
around the seam and then it opened right up.
I fired it up but I can't see anywhere cause the ice is on the windows, so I
have to move from memory.
The gravel under the truck is dry, though frozen, so I just want to move the
truck to the left enough to miss the falling ice and still keep my right
rear tire on dry gravel.
I pull forward while turning left, then back up while turning the wheel
right.
Got out, took a look, and decided to move it some more.
My wife was standing there watching.
I pulled forward, to the left and suddenly a loud groan filled the air, and
chunks of ice hit the side of the truck and bounced over top of it.
I backed up and got out.
All that ice had slid down and was where my truck was just 2 minutes
earlier.
Perfect timing, no?
2' x 3" dia icicles were sticking out on angles from the frozen gravel and
big sheets of broken ice everywhere sticking up at weird angles like
tectonic plates or sumfink.
Looks like an arctic earthquake.
No visible damage to the truck. shwew.
Isn't there a device, like ice dam, or ice hooks or sumfink that can be
installed that sort of traps the ice on the roof, or breaks it up in bite
sized pieces when it slides?
What about gutters?
I'll install them this summer but do gutters have any impact on the roof
ice?
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| RicodJour 2008-02-22, 5:25 pm |
| On Feb 22, 2:57 pm, "Don" <one-if-by-l...@concord.com> wrote:
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> Isn't there a device, like ice dam, or ice hooks or sumfink that can be
> installed that sort of traps the ice on the roof, or breaks it up in bite
> sized pieces when it slides?
> What about gutters?
> I'll install them this summer but do gutters have any impact on the roof
> ice?
Snow guards, some call them snow birds.
http://www.acehardwaresuperstore.co...154.html?ref=42
You should have installed them when you put up the roof.
R
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"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
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> On Feb 22, 2:57 pm, "Don" <one-if-by-l...@concord.com> wrote:
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> Snow guards, some call them snow birds.
> http://www.acehardwaresuperstore.co...154.html?ref=42
> You should have installed them when you put up the roof.
>
> R
Welcome to the North. Gutters on a metal roof have the habit of being
ripped off unless installed below the trajectory of the ice, and thereby
don't do anything for you in the winter. Snow and ice guards are OK. I had
a tree branch go through my sunroof during an ice storm a few years ago.
Keep the truck inside or away from the garage and trees.
EDS
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| Ken S. Tucker 2008-02-22, 5:25 pm |
| On Feb 22, 12:51 pm, "EDS" <sno...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "RicodJour" <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote in message
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> Welcome to the North. Gutters on a metal roof have the habit of being
> ripped off unless installed below the trajectory of the ice, and thereby
> don't do anything for you in the winter. Snow and ice guards are OK. I had
> a tree branch go through my sunroof during an ice storm a few years ago.
> Keep the truck inside or away from the garage and trees.
> EDS
Say EDS, Don hasn't caught the spirit yet.
On a cold day, put some heat in the attic,
melt off some snow and watch it freeze to
make pretty icicles. We've had icicles from
roof to ground, frankly we liked them, but
they are quite brittle and easy to remove,
aso karate punches!
The ice-bridging is a PITA when a few inches
of water backs up over the roof and makes its
under the shingles and leaks into the house.
I've actually taken an axe to the ice bridge to
cut draining channels.
My solution, move to Florida in the winter.
I think the clique would be that Don jumped
from the frying pan into the freezer.
BUT will he survive??? DON't know it's lookin'
iffy. He might just be a warm weather sissy.
Ken
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| On Feb 22, 4:54=A0pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
> On Feb 22, 12:51 pm, "EDS" <sno...@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Say EDS, Don hasn't caught the spirit yet.
> On a cold day, put some heat in the attic,
> melt off some snow and watch it freeze to
> make pretty icicles. We've had icicles from
> roof to ground, frankly we liked them, but
> they are quite brittle and easy to remove,
> aso karate punches!
> The ice-bridging is a PITA when a few inches
> of water backs up over the roof and makes its
> under the shingles and leaks into the house.
> I've actually taken an axe to the ice bridge to
> cut draining channels.
>
> My solution, move to Florida in the winter.
> I think the clique would be that Don jumped
> from the frying pan into the freezer.
> BUT will he survive??? DON't know it's lookin'
> iffy. He might just be a warm weather sissy.
> Ken- Hide quoted text -
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Welcome to the great white north. I'm calling you Nanuk from now on.
What you need ventilation. You see, the roof has decided that you are
too full of hot air and things started melting and moving around.
Ideally, you want your roof to be at the same temp as the outside.
Then that stuff doesn't happen unless it gets real sunny.
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| Kris Krieger 2008-02-22, 8:25 pm |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
news:fpn9h902qk5@news2.newsguy.com:
> Everythings covered with ice, at least 1/2" of it.
> It snowed for 3 days then rained for 2 and right now the temps are in
> the 20's.
> This is the warmest its been in a week.
> Walking anywhere outside is trepiditious, like walking on greased ball
> bearings.
>
> So I'm sitting here working and there was a grumble, then a groan,
> then a yerrrawwwwwerrrrrr and the earth was moving.
> No it wasn't, the building was moving.
> No it wasn't, the ice on the backside of my tin roof was sliding.
> OMG!
> kaashhooooshhh-ga-rumph!!!!
> I hit the deck.
> Almost.
> Actually I laid rubber getting out the door and around the corner,
> almost busted my XXX in the ice and flew around the rear corner just
> to see the last dagger fall.
> There were thousands of 2' icicles along the overhang and 600 sf of
> sliding 1/2" thick ice propelled them in tiers out into the downward
> sloping landscape.
> If anyone would have been standing there they'd be dead, 2000 times
> over. MAN!
Well, thankfully, it wasn't anything collapsing. But that's why you
don't necessarily want to sleep under a tree if you're even lost in the
woods in Winter. The folk-name, IIRC, for icecicles in trees is "widow-
makers".
>
> So I came back up front and looked at the front roof, the ice was
> still there but for how long?
> All the icicles were angled back toward the wall cause the ice had
> slid some and was hanging over the edge about 6".
> My old truck is sitting there, about 8' from that wall.
> I looked at the angle of that 6/12 roof and extended the line out to
> my truck.
> Yep, when that ice comes off my truck will be doomed.
> How much does 600 sf of 1/2" ice weigh?
A gallon weights about 8 lbs, and ther are about 7 gallons, IIRC, per
*cubic* ft, so go from there...
> Right, too much, got to move the truck, that hasn't moved in 2 days.
> The doors are iced shut, solid.
> I start working it and I found that pushing IN on the door cracked the
> ice around the seam and then it opened right up.
> I fired it up but I can't see anywhere cause the ice is on the
> windows, so I have to move from memory.
> The gravel under the truck is dry, though frozen, so I just want to
> move the truck to the left enough to miss the falling ice and still
> keep my right rear tire on dry gravel.
> I pull forward while turning left, then back up while turning the
> wheel right.
> Got out, took a look, and decided to move it some more.
> My wife was standing there watching.
> I pulled forward, to the left and suddenly a loud groan filled the
> air, and chunks of ice hit the side of the truck and bounced over top
> of it. I backed up and got out.
> All that ice had slid down and was where my truck was just 2 minutes
> earlier.
> Perfect timing, no?
> 2' x 3" dia icicles were sticking out on angles from the frozen gravel
> and big sheets of broken ice everywhere sticking up at weird angles
> like tectonic plates or sumfink.
> Looks like an arctic earthquake.
> No visible damage to the truck. shwew.
On eof the reasons I prefer living in a more Southerly clime ;)
>
> Isn't there a device, like ice dam, or ice hooks or sumfink that can
> be installed that sort of traps the ice on the roof, or breaks it up
> in bite sized pieces when it slides?
You can get roof heaters - saw those a lot in Massachusetts. Basically,
they're wires attached to the roof - current plus resisistance = heat, so
they melt the ice/snow before it builds up too much.
> What about gutters?
> I'll install them this summer but do gutters have any impact on the
> roof ice?
In Mass., a lot of houses didn't have them, because they too often just
get ripped off by snow and ice. It's sort-of a toss-up. If you don't
have gutters, you get trenches (fron rain impact), unless you put doewn
large rocks. Some poele planted bushes right up against the house, but
that is a practice I've nver favored dueto maintenence issues.
HTH...
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"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
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> On Feb 22, 12:51 pm, "EDS" <sno...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Say EDS, Don hasn't caught the spirit yet.
> On a cold day, put some heat in the attic,
> melt off some snow and watch it freeze to
> make pretty icicles. We've had icicles from
> roof to ground, frankly we liked them, but
> they are quite brittle and easy to remove,
> aso karate punches!
> The ice-bridging is a PITA when a few inches
> of water backs up over the roof and makes its
> under the shingles and leaks into the house.
> I've actually taken an axe to the ice bridge to
> cut draining channels.
>
> My solution, move to Florida in the winter.
> I think the clique would be that Don jumped
> from the frying pan into the freezer.
> BUT will he survive??? DON't know it's lookin'
> iffy. He might just be a warm weather sissy.
> Ken
It was a little bit different situation this year from last year.
3 days of snow then 2 of freezing rain.
Right now all of the snow is completely froze, looks like irregular white
ice.
trippy.....
Anyway, the ice doesn't seem to be able to *stick* to that shiney silver
roof for very long.
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"Pat" <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote in message
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On Feb 22, 4:54 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
> On Feb 22, 12:51 pm, "EDS" <sno...@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Say EDS, Don hasn't caught the spirit yet.
> On a cold day, put some heat in the attic,
> melt off some snow and watch it freeze to
> make pretty icicles. We've had icicles from
> roof to ground, frankly we liked them, but
> they are quite brittle and easy to remove,
> aso karate punches!
> The ice-bridging is a PITA when a few inches
> of water backs up over the roof and makes its
> under the shingles and leaks into the house.
> I've actually taken an axe to the ice bridge to
> cut draining channels.
>
> My solution, move to Florida in the winter.
> I think the clique would be that Don jumped
> from the frying pan into the freezer.
> BUT will he survive??? DON't know it's lookin'
> iffy. He might just be a warm weather sissy.
> Ken- Hide quoted text -
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Welcome to the great white north. I'm calling you Nanuk from now on.
What you need ventilation. You see, the roof has decided that you are
too full of hot air and things started melting and moving around.
Ideally, you want your roof to be at the same temp as the outside.
Then that stuff doesn't happen unless it gets real sunny.
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Thats what happened, it went from the low teens to the mid 20's and the sun
was shining.
Its come off before, but usually it snaps off as it goes over the eadge.
This time the ice was a lot thicker and its weight caused it all to come off
in one big sheet.
If the pitch was steeper than the 6/12 it would have come off sooner.
FWIW, Muff across the road has a green metal roof and the ice is still all
over it.
That green paint has a tooth it seems.
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"Kris Krieger" <me@dowmuff.in> wrote in message
news:13runj3mgen1b1f@corp.supernews.com...
> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
> news:fpn9h902qk5@news2.newsguy.com:
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> Well, thankfully, it wasn't anything collapsing. But that's why you
> don't necessarily want to sleep under a tree if you're even lost in the
> woods in Winter. The folk-name, IIRC, for icecicles in trees is "widow-
> makers".
>
>
> A gallon weights about 8 lbs, and ther are about 7 gallons, IIRC, per
> *cubic* ft, so go from there...
>
>
> On eof the reasons I prefer living in a more Southerly clime ;)
>
>
> You can get roof heaters - saw those a lot in Massachusetts. Basically,
> they're wires attached to the roof - current plus resisistance = heat, so
> they melt the ice/snow before it builds up too much.
>
>
> In Mass., a lot of houses didn't have them, because they too often just
> get ripped off by snow and ice. It's sort-of a toss-up. If you don't
> have gutters, you get trenches (fron rain impact), unless you put doewn
> large rocks. Some poele planted bushes right up against the house, but
> that is a practice I've nver favored dueto maintenence issues.
>
> HTH...
Clearly I'm going to have to study this.
Ed said to install the gutters below the angle of the roof so the ice will
glide over them, but if they are too low the rain water may go right over
them too.
Last year I went to the state builders show at the fairground and they had
lots of gutter setups on display but I didn't look at them too closely.
That show is happening again next month and this time I'll pay attention.
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"EDS" <snowed@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
> news:6a4fc297-f4de-477e-94cf-555bdca84406@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
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> Welcome to the North. Gutters on a metal roof have the habit of being
> ripped off unless installed below the trajectory of the ice, and thereby
> don't do anything for you in the winter. Snow and ice guards are OK. I
> had a tree branch go through my sunroof during an ice storm a few years
> ago. Keep the truck inside or away from the garage and trees.
> EDS
We have a 2'x4' skylight over the master bathroom on the 2nd floor and I
fear a branch will go through that thing.
Maybe they ought to make skylights with some of that Florida grade 200 mph
glass.
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"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
news:6a4fc297-f4de-477e-94cf-555bdca84406@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 22, 2:57 pm, "Don" <one-if-by-l...@concord.com> wrote:
>
> Snow guards, some call them snow birds.
> http://www.acehardwaresuperstore.co...154.html?ref=42
> You should have installed them when you put up the roof.
>
> R
Thanks Rico, I'll check them out.
Hey, copper and brass, cool!
Might look spiffy on that silver roof.
Check it out, they have them in various shapes, half-moon, star, eagle, etc.
http://images.google.com/images?sou...m=1&sa=N&tab=wi
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| Ken S. Tucker 2008-02-23, 9:27 am |
| On Feb 22, 2:50 pm, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
> On Feb 22, 4:54 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
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> Welcome to the great white north. I'm calling you Nanuk from now on.
>
> What you need ventilation. You see, the roof has decided that you are
> too full of hot air and things started melting and moving around.
> Ideally, you want your roof to be at the same temp as the outside.
> Then that stuff doesn't happen unless it gets real sunny.
We bought a place that was an excellent summer
cottage but poorly winterized. We retro-fitted some
improvements that made it, fairly nice in the winter.
It really needed a new roof to get winterized and
thicker walls and better windows...well it starts to
look better to tear down the old building and put up
a new one.
But Muskoka sucks, too many bugs, too cold, too
many dogs chasing away the wildlife, too many
boats, too much corruption...so we reno'd to sell,
and found a better locale.
Ken
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| On Feb 23, 8:26=A0am, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
> On Feb 22, 2:50 pm, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
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> We bought a place that was an excellent summer
> cottage but poorly winterized. We retro-fitted some
> improvements that made it, fairly nice in the winter.
> It really needed a new roof to get winterized and
> thicker walls and better windows...well it starts to
> look better to tear down the old building and put up
> a new one.
> But Muskoka sucks, too many bugs, too cold, too
> many dogs chasing away the wildlife, too many
> boats, too much corruption...so we reno'd to sell,
> and found a better locale.
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Bought in a better location? You bought in Ellicottville (NY).
Welcome neighbor. (Well at least half of Canada owns a second home in
E'ville, or so it seems).
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| Ken S. Tucker 2008-02-23, 8:25 pm |
| On Feb 23, 5:52 am, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
> On Feb 23, 8:26 am, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote:
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> Welcome neighbor. (Well at least half of Canada owns a second home in
> E'ville, or so it seems).
Been to NY state about 50 times and every time
was excellent, my 1st was the 1964 Worlds Fair,
did Coney Island too...44 years ago.
We're keeping an eyeball out for a bit of land in the
Good Ole US of A, to set a cabin on, for seasonal
use.
Ken
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| Kris Krieger 2008-02-25, 3:25 am |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
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> "Kris Krieger" <me@dowmuff.in> wrote in message
> news:13runj3mgen1b1f@corp.supernews.com...
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> Clearly I'm going to have to study this.
> Ed said to install the gutters below the angle of the roof so the ice
> will glide over them, but if they are too low the rain water may go
> right over them too.
> Last year I went to the state builders show at the fairground and they
> had lots of gutter setups on display but I didn't look at them too
> closely. That show is happening again next month and this time I'll
> pay attention.
>
As I recall it, it got feirly confusing - gutters, no gutters, heaters, no
heaters, etc. We moved to Tx before I could ever get it straightened out.
Good luck!
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| Kris Krieger 2008-02-25, 5:25 pm |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
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> "EDS" <snowed@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> We have a 2'x4' skylight over the master bathroom on the 2nd floor and
> I fear a branch will go through that thing.
> Maybe they ought to make skylights with some of that Florida grade 200
> mph glass.
I thought they were lexan, at least the domed ones. Glass would be abit
nerve-wracking - if not branches, there is still hail - the thought of
glass shattering overhead isn't pleasant 
Can you get it replaced with something safer? If not, there are clear
films that can be applied over the glass which add a lot fo strangth and
shatterproofing.
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| Kris Krieger 2008-02-25, 5:25 pm |
| "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in
news:ac13fd8e-32e4-4f62-a3c2-b689df34fc0b@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
> On Feb 23, 5:52 am, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
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> Been to NY state about 50 times and every time
> was excellent, my 1st was the 1964 Worlds Fair,
I went to that, too - don't remember a whole lot, tho', aside from
Sinclair DonoLand, the fact that my shoes kept untying, "It's A SMall
World" was IMO way boring (tho'; teh adults seemed to go gaga over it),
and the big steel globe was way cool ;)
> did Coney Island too...44 years ago.
> We're keeping an eyeball out for a bit of land in the
> Good Ole US of A, to set a cabin on, for seasonal
> use.
> Ken
>
Did you consider New Mexico?
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"Kris Krieger" <me@dowmuff.in> wrote in message
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> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
> news:fpo1aq0140r@news4.newsguy.com:
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> I thought they were lexan, at least the domed ones. Glass would be abit
> nerve-wracking - if not branches, there is still hail - the thought of
> glass shattering overhead isn't pleasant
>
> Can you get it replaced with something safer? If not, there are clear
> films that can be applied over the glass which add a lot fo strangth and
> shatterproofing.
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Glass skylights are safety glass (like windshields) or tempered glass. My
car sunroof was tempered and the 12' limb still came through. I did an
enclosed rear garden about 16' x 16' on Beacon Hill back in 1980, and we
used 3/4" tempered glass to resist tree branches and ice off the roof.
Unfortunately the house was robbed by someone walking across the glass
garden roof to the third floor windows.
EDS
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| Michael Bulatovich 2008-02-26, 9:25 am |
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"EDS" <snowed@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Glass skylights are safety glass (like windshields) or tempered glass. My
> car sunroof was tempered and the 12' limb still came through. I did an
> enclosed rear garden about 16' x 16' on Beacon Hill back in 1980, and we
> used 3/4" tempered glass to resist tree branches and ice off the roof.
> Unfortunately the house was robbed by someone walking across the glass
> garden roof to the third floor windows.
> EDS
What's that old saw...when God closes a skylight he opens a window
somewhere...?
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"Kris Krieger" <me@dowmuff.in> wrote in message
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> "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
> news:fpo1aq0140r@news4.newsguy.com:
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> I thought they were lexan, at least the domed ones. Glass would be abit
> nerve-wracking - if not branches, there is still hail - the thought of
> glass shattering overhead isn't pleasant
>
> Can you get it replaced with something safer? If not, there are clear
> films that can be applied over the glass which add a lot fo strangth and
> shatterproofing.
Its a Velux flat glass type.
Not sure of the make up.
When I can get around to it I'm going to put some window tint on the
underside.
Our house has lots of tall trees all around it and the stuff that falls out
of them all the time is scary.
Can you imagine the disaster if a limb went through that thing in a hard
blowing rain.
I don't know why the builder ever thought it was a good idea to put that
thing in there.
My wife just loves it though.
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| Ken S. Tucker 2008-02-26, 1:25 pm |
| On Feb 24, 10:38 pm, Kris Krieger <m...@dowmuff.in> wrote:
> "Don" <one-if-by-l...@concord.com> wrote innews:fpo17c013tm@news4.newsguy.com:
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> As I recall it, it got feirly confusing - gutters, no gutters, heaters, no
> heaters, etc. We moved to Tx before I could ever get it straightened out.
> Good luck!
We've discussed that a lot in Muskoka. Most thought
metal roofs (like Don has) is best with no gutters, or
remove the gutters in the fall, which sounds like a PITA.
Myself I think the system we have now is the best.
We have a flat roof with the house tilted 1" over 8' to
the north.
We put a big sheet of heavy vinyl, covered by a white
tarp (for UV protection) over the whole roof. Around the
perimeter we screwed with gasket seal 2x4's, to make
a dam, except for a water exit at the north center, which
is filtered and goes into our cistern.
Works good so far.
Ken
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| Kris Krieger 2008-02-26, 5:26 pm |
| "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
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> "Kris Krieger" <me@dowmuff.in> wrote in message
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> Its a Velux flat glass type.
> Not sure of the make up.
> When I can get around to it I'm going to put some window tint on the
> underside.
> Our house has lots of tall trees all around it and the stuff that
> falls out of them all the time is scary.
> Can you imagine the disaster if a limb went through that thing in a
> hard blowing rain.
> I don't know why the builder ever thought it was a good idea to put
> that thing in there.
> My wife just loves it though.
Maybe look into the domed type as a replacement - you already know the
strength advantage of curved surfaces, and as I mentioned, IIRC they're
made of Plexiglass or Lexan or, these days, maybe even somethign better
((it's been a while since I "looked into" skylights ;) )).
Meanwhile, the security film doesn't keep it from breaking per se, but ti
does keep it from shattering all over the place and is supposedly strong
enough to withstand a sledgehammer. I lost my links but it ought to be
reasonably easy to find on the 'net.
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| Kris Krieger 2008-02-26, 5:26 pm |
| "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in
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> On Feb 24, 10:38 pm, Kris Krieger <m...@dowmuff.in> wrote:
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> We've discussed that a lot in Muskoka. Most thought
> metal roofs (like Don has) is best with no gutters, or
> remove the gutters in the fall, which sounds like a PITA.
IMO, it'd be easier to integrate a portico of some sort over the door,
and some sort fo angled bit over windows, to channel rain away form the
door and windows. Or plage in Mass. had no gutters and the front door,
as with most of the crappy "colonial" stuff, afforded a direct route from
the blowing snow and/or rain, right into the house. We ended up going in
through the garage. I don't know how Don's place is designed, but if
there is some sort of protection over the door, gutters are probably a
bit moot. Main thing is to put soem big rocks down so as to prevent
"rain gulleys".
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> Myself I think the system we have now is the best.
> We have a flat roof with the house tilted 1" over 8' to
> the north.
> We put a big sheet of heavy vinyl, covered by a white
> tarp (for UV protection) over the whole roof. Around the
> perimeter we screwed with gasket seal 2x4's, to make
> a dam, except for a water exit at the north center, which
> is filtered and goes into our cistern.
> Works good so far.
> Ken
>
If I had my way, a cistern and a rain-collecting roof to feed it would be
in place. Along with lots fo other passive technologies (ore retro-tech
or whatever one wants to call it). I don't know that it'd be 100% off-
gtrid, but I would prefer to be as independent as possible. That's one
benefit to living in a dry climate, tho' - passive cooling works really
well. When I lived in Southern CA (abotu 15 miles East of Pasadena), I
did great when the humidity went to 10% or less, and could even ggo for
walks into the low 100's, albeit with taking advantage of shade ;)
THe hard part is dealing with heat and *humidity*. It's just impossible
to feel comfortable when the humidity starts getting over 60%, and when
it crosses 85%, ooooof...
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| Ken S. Tucker 2008-02-27, 1:26 pm |
| On Feb 26, 12:43 pm, Kris Krieger <m...@dowmuff.in> wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote innews:1f54ee87-1f7d-4ad3-b556-2b2c5b41c84c@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
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> IMO, it'd be easier to integrate a portico of some sort over the door,
> and some sort fo angled bit over windows, to channel rain away form the
> door and windows. Or plage in Mass. had no gutters and the front door,
> as with most of the crappy "colonial" stuff, afforded a direct route from
> the blowing snow and/or rain, right into the house. We ended up going in
> through the garage. I don't know how Don's place is designed, but if
> there is some sort of protection over the door, gutters are probably a
> bit moot. Main thing is to put soem big rocks down so as to prevent
> "rain gulleys".
That's right. Some fella's would dig an easy trench,
where the water falls of the roof and gravel it.
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> If I had my way, a cistern and a rain-collecting roof to feed it would be
> in place. Along with lots fo other passive technologies (ore retro-tech
> or whatever one wants to call it). I don't know that it'd be 100% off-
> gtrid, but I would prefer to be as independent as possible. That's one
> benefit to living in a dry climate, tho' - passive cooling works really
> well. When I lived in Southern CA (abotu 15 miles East of Pasadena), I
> did great when the humidity went to 10% or less, and could even ggo for
> walks into the low 100's, albeit with taking advantage of shade ;)
>
> THe hard part is dealing with heat and *humidity*. It's just impossible
> to feel comfortable when the humidity starts getting over 60%, and when
> it crosses 85%, ooooof...
Well I'm naked at 90F, 80F if it's humid.
Ken
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> On Feb 26, 12:43 pm, Kris Krieger <m...@dowmuff.in> wrote:
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> That's right. Some fella's would dig an easy trench,
> where the water falls of the roof and gravel it.
Thats part of the overall gameplan.
Trench, 8" perforated pipe, landscape cloth, gravel.
The pipe will slope to one end and there it will tie into the downspouts
from the gutters, then go underground to the rear and out into the forest to
provide 1100 sf of runoff to the small stream that already exists.
A future project will be to have the pipe lead to a 500 gal above ground
plastic tank with solar powered pump that will provide filtered water to my
office/garage.
I'll have a 50 gal plastic tank in the attic with another solar powered pump
to feed water to the sinks and toilet.
I also want to *build* a small septic treatment system for the
office/garage.
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> Well I'm naked at 90F, 80F if it's humid.
> Ken
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| Ken S. Tucker 2008-02-28, 5:27 pm |
| On Feb 28, 12:42 pm, "Don" <one-if-by-l...@concord.com> wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote in messagenews:84ad6c68-7aae-4d46-9ecf-fb005281cf60@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
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> Thats part of the overall gameplan.
> Trench, 8" perforated pipe, landscape cloth, gravel.
> The pipe will slope to one end and there it will tie into the downspouts
> from the gutters, then go underground to the rear and out into the forest to
> provide 1100 sf of runoff to the small stream that already exists.
> A future project will be to have the pipe lead to a 500 gal above ground
> plastic tank with solar powered pump that will provide filtered water to my
> office/garage.
> I'll have a 50 gal plastic tank in the attic with another solar powered pump
> to feed water to the sinks and toilet.
> I also want to *build* a small septic treatment system for the
> office/garage.
I'm with you pal, but hard experience taught me
that whatever system you install, it's likely to fail
and requiring servicing at -20F, so where possible
follow KISS, and keep it all weather serviceable.
Ken
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| Kris Krieger 2008-02-28, 5:27 pm |
| "Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in
news:84ad6c68-7aae-4d46-9ecf-fb005281cf60@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
> On Feb 26, 12:43 pm, Kris Krieger <m...@dowmuff.in> wrote:
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> That's right. Some fella's would dig an easy trench,
> where the water falls of the roof and gravel it.
Well, the builder of out place didn't, I just went ahead and did it
myself, but used larger rocks (football or softball sized). THe builder
had put grey road gravel in several places, and it was a huge PITA
because, being on a hill, the rainwater would build up enough force to
push the gravel into the lawn (not good for mower blades) and intot eh
driveway and whatnot.
Actually, we had a lot fo granite rocks in the yard, so most of what I
used was the natural rock, looked good because the porch was up on a huge
granite boulder. The hosue was ho-hum but the site was IMO cool, with
all the boulders. Anyway, the yard rocks were teh same granite so it all
fit in nicely. And broke up the rain, of course ;)
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> Ken
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> On Feb 28, 12:42 pm, "Don" <one-if-by-l...@concord.com> wrote:
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> I'm with you pal, but hard experience taught me
> that whatever system you install, it's likely to fail
> and requiring servicing at -20F, so where possible
> follow KISS, and keep it all weather serviceable.
> Ken
Redundancy is my middle name.
You're only as good as your backup system. =D
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